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SantosPhillipCarlo
Profile Joined September 2013
United States351 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-08 10:53:59
February 05 2016 22:20 GMT
#1
EDIT: Seeing as this thread has transcended just Fates discussion with the release of FE Heroes, it seemed fitting to alter the thread/OP to reflect that. I'll add some more stuff to the OP once I have a better idea of what I want to do with it.

- Yango

+ Show Spoiler +
Wanted to go ahead and get this going since it's Fire Emblem and it looks to live up to the hype for sure. How do you plan to play and shape your party?



Official site
Compendium at Serene's Forest (Warning: possible spoilers)
Poll: Which initial route are you choosing?

Conquest (Nohr) (19)
 
59%

Birthright (Hoshido) (13)
 
41%

32 total votes

Your vote: Which initial route are you choosing?

(Vote): Conquest (Nohr)
(Vote): Birthright (Hoshido)


Poll: Which version are you the most excited to play?

Revelations (Neutral) (13)
 
45%

Conquest (Nohr) (12)
 
41%

Birthright (Hoshido) (4)
 
14%

29 total votes

Your vote: Which version are you the most excited to play?

(Vote): Conquest (Nohr)
(Vote): Birthright (Hoshido)
(Vote): Revelations (Neutral)


All our dreams can come true if we have the courage to pursue them. - Walt Disney
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
February 05 2016 22:54 GMT
#2
isnt there censorship with this game?
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-05 23:11:00
February 05 2016 23:09 GMT
#3
So is it safe to think of the game as a "$60 purchase with a future $15-20 DLC" if I plan on trying all of the content? I've been so confused and haven't looked much into which "version" ($40) I want first or whatever, but from what I understand you can buy the other campaign for half price ($20) regardless of which one you buy out of the box, then the "third" campaign later when it's released as DLC (~$20).

It's daunting to think of this as an "$80 purchase if I want everything" but I think that's only due to the confusion. If I get both Nohr and Hoshido for the combined price of $60, a normal game purchase, and then at some point in the future there's going to be a "3rd campaign" as $20 DLC, that makes a lot more sense. I haven't stumbled across many sources that have clarified this very well unfortunately.
SantosPhillipCarlo
Profile Joined September 2013
United States351 Posts
February 05 2016 23:21 GMT
#4
On February 06 2016 08:09 Duka08 wrote:
So is it safe to think of the game as a "$60 purchase with a future $15-20 DLC" if I plan on trying all of the content? I've been so confused and haven't looked much into which "version" ($40) I want first or whatever, but from what I understand you can buy the other campaign for half price ($20) regardless of which one you buy out of the box, then the "third" campaign later when it's released as DLC (~$20).

It's daunting to think of this as an "$80 purchase if I want everything" but I think that's only due to the confusion. If I get both Nohr and Hoshido for the combined price of $60, a normal game purchase, and then at some point in the future there's going to be a "3rd campaign" as $20 DLC, that makes a lot more sense. I haven't stumbled across many sources that have clarified this very well unfortunately.


All total, I'd say all three plus the initial map pack is close to $100. Your first path is $40, the other is about $20, and Revelations is another 20. Then the DLC map pack is $17.99.
All our dreams can come true if we have the courage to pursue them. - Walt Disney
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7409 Posts
February 05 2016 23:24 GMT
#5
I find what they did for this game annoying. From what I read, Hoshido -> Nohr -> Revelations DLC is the recommended playthrough but the way they did SKUs for this game is just so fucking stupid. I'm waiting to see if the special edition is going to be stocked again because I don't want to buy another SD card. From what I can tell, you can buy a version for $40, download the other version for $20 and then there's a DLC later on for $20. However, buying the other version this way uses up a huge amount of your SD card's space.

Anyway, I'm taking a wait and see approach to this game because of SKU stupidity.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-05 23:30:21
February 05 2016 23:30 GMT
#6
On February 06 2016 08:21 SantosPhillipCarlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 08:09 Duka08 wrote:
So is it safe to think of the game as a "$60 purchase with a future $15-20 DLC" if I plan on trying all of the content? I've been so confused and haven't looked much into which "version" ($40) I want first or whatever, but from what I understand you can buy the other campaign for half price ($20) regardless of which one you buy out of the box, then the "third" campaign later when it's released as DLC (~$20).

It's daunting to think of this as an "$80 purchase if I want everything" but I think that's only due to the confusion. If I get both Nohr and Hoshido for the combined price of $60, a normal game purchase, and then at some point in the future there's going to be a "3rd campaign" as $20 DLC, that makes a lot more sense. I haven't stumbled across many sources that have clarified this very well unfortunately.


All total, I'd say all three plus the initial map pack is close to $100. Your first path is $40, the other is about $20, and Revelations is another 20. Then the DLC map pack is $17.99.

I think the third campaign, DLC, is Revelations right? Which is what I was referring to in my post. Had no idea there was also additional DLC beyond the "neutral" campaign. Maps? What does that entail exactly? Or do we not even know yet?

The above post has a good point. I felt better about all of it once I learned the other campaigns were discounted after your initial purchase, but I didn't consider SD card space. That could be annoying. There isn't a cap on the size of SD card a 3DS can use is there? It'd be nice to know what the total size of the DLCs will be if you just bought a normal $40 version of the game, so I can order a new card if need be. I'd just buy the special edition if you could still find them but yeah...
SantosPhillipCarlo
Profile Joined September 2013
United States351 Posts
February 05 2016 23:34 GMT
#7
On February 06 2016 08:30 Duka08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 08:21 SantosPhillipCarlo wrote:
On February 06 2016 08:09 Duka08 wrote:
So is it safe to think of the game as a "$60 purchase with a future $15-20 DLC" if I plan on trying all of the content? I've been so confused and haven't looked much into which "version" ($40) I want first or whatever, but from what I understand you can buy the other campaign for half price ($20) regardless of which one you buy out of the box, then the "third" campaign later when it's released as DLC (~$20).

It's daunting to think of this as an "$80 purchase if I want everything" but I think that's only due to the confusion. If I get both Nohr and Hoshido for the combined price of $60, a normal game purchase, and then at some point in the future there's going to be a "3rd campaign" as $20 DLC, that makes a lot more sense. I haven't stumbled across many sources that have clarified this very well unfortunately.


All total, I'd say all three plus the initial map pack is close to $100. Your first path is $40, the other is about $20, and Revelations is another 20. Then the DLC map pack is $17.99.

I think the third campaign, DLC, is Revelations right? Which is what I was referring to in my post. Had no idea there was also additional DLC beyond the "neutral" campaign. Maps? What does that entail exactly? Or do we not even know yet?

The above post has a good point. I felt better about all of it once I learned the other campaigns were discounted after your initial purchase, but I didn't consider SD card space. That could be annoying. There isn't a cap on the size of SD card a 3DS can use is there? It'd be nice to know what the total size of the DLCs will be if you just bought a normal $40 version of the game, so I can order a new card if need be. I'd just buy the special edition if you could still find them but yeah...


Here's what we do know about the DLC - full details here: Fire Emblem: Fates DLC

Among the things you can get are maps for extra EXP, gold and weapons (which allows you to train more freely in Conquest than you normally would), and also maps hearkening back to previous titles (for example, a map featuring Chrom, Lissa and Frederick from Awakening). There is another that's called "Summer Scramble" - which is, I dare say, the fan service one.
All our dreams can come true if we have the courage to pursue them. - Walt Disney
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-10 10:46:07
February 10 2016 10:24 GMT
#8
Been following the game basically since it's Japanese release through streamers and various FE community sites. Pretty hyped for the game's English release since people I know who have similar taste to myself in the series have ranked it pretty highly among them. Fortunately managed to preorder the Special Edition when it went up, so I don't have to worry about the version split.

For those who are trying to decide which version to start with:
+ Show Spoiler +

1) First off, don't feel like you are really compelled to buy all 3. The 2 main routes are more or less self-standing games on their own (the 3rd one isn't really, but that's its own issue I'll get into later). There are definitely people who've imported and felt one route was vastly superior to the others, though which one depends on your personal taste in the series.

2) Similarly, don't feel like Revelations is somehow a compulsory purchase. The fact that it's the "neutral" route where you get to recruit characters from both sides does not somehow make it the definitive experience. In fact, people have criticized the route for having weaker gameplay (including a significant number of recycled maps from the main routes), as well as atrocious unit balance (rivaling FE6 for worst character balance in the series) and difficulty scaling (Revelations Lunatic relying more on up-scaling enemy stats rather than enemy positioning/density). If the idea of Revelations doesn't appeal to you, then don't feel like you're missing out by not buying it.

3) If you are planning to play all 3 eventually, the recommended order is Birthright -> Conquest -> Revelations. From a gameplay standpoint Birthright is the easiest of the three routes, and Conquest is arguably the most difficult. From a story perspective, there's a natural progression from Birthright, to Conquest, to Revelations, where Birthright serves as a sort of exposition that raises some questions, Conquest reveals some of the underlying forces, and Revelations answers all of those questions. Conquest's story is self-contained, but I have heard people say that the story is less satisfying without some of the backdrop being set up by playing Birthright first.

4) If you are planning on just playing one of the two, then it depends a bit on your experience and what you expect out of a Fire Emblem game.

Birthright was designed to stay very close to the design of Awakening, as well as being of similar difficulty. This means inheriting a lot of its gameplay flaws that series veterans disliked the game for. There are repeatable battles where you can grind to level up your units. Map design tends to be on the simple side (Awakening map design had a lot of wide open fields with haphazard enemy placement, and Birthright does as well). As in Awakening, virtually all the map objectives are rout. On the plus side, the story for Birthright is generally considered to be the better of the two on it's own.

Conquest on the other hand, is designed much more in the vein of older Fire Emblem games. There are no repeatable battles--each mission can only be played once, and the only repeatable way to level up your units is DLC (though personally, I think this takes a lot of the fun out of this route). It's also confirmed to be noticeably harder than Birthright (as a reference, people I've asked would say Conquest Normal is about as difficult as Awakening Hard, and Conquest Hard is somewhere between FE7 HHM and FE6 Hard Mode). A lot of that difficulty is achieved through more complex map design and varied objectives though, so if that appeals to you, you might enjoy Conquest more.


I kind of rambled a bit there. If people have other questions about the game and any of the new features, hopefully I can answer them or find out from friends who've imported the game.
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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5948 Posts
February 10 2016 11:15 GMT
#9
sooo jealous of the US release in the next couple of days, while we EU scrubs don't even have a date or the option to preorder :/
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45347 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-10 11:17:49
February 10 2016 11:17 GMT
#10
Im so hyped but I am not sure when this thing comes out in Europe.
Also didn't they censor everything out of it because its basically waifu simulator as well.(Last time I heard you can headrub your characters with the stylus and make them say lewd things rofl)

Considering going the reccomended route of Birthright>Conquest because of story but Severa is only a char on Nohr thnk so -.-. Moreover, Conquest doesn't have infinite exp/gold which is an easy way out (and too tempting for me to not do since I basically (overlevel)level the chars that I want rather then have a good strategic balance). Lastly I think I like the Nohr more stylistically(in terms of armour and shit) then I do the glorious Nippon Hoshido.

I hope they did something about pairing up though because that shit was OP af in awakening.
WriterXiao8~~
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4367 Posts
February 10 2016 11:24 GMT
#11
On February 10 2016 20:15 ShiaoPi wrote:
sooo jealous of the US release in the next couple of days, while we EU scrubs don't even have a date or the option to preorder :/


wait what

Well that completely killed my anticipation lmao. I thought I would be able to pick this up in the next weeks.
Oh well.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45347 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-10 11:29:35
February 10 2016 11:29 GMT
#12
On February 10 2016 20:24 Laurens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2016 20:15 ShiaoPi wrote:
sooo jealous of the US release in the next couple of days, while we EU scrubs don't even have a date or the option to preorder :/


wait what

Well that completely killed my anticipation lmao. I thought I would be able to pick this up in the next weeks.
Oh well.

yeah we fucking lost, they probably have to get it through the censoring machine here and add EU language support too.

I'm still hoping we can download it somehow.
WriterXiao8~~
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4367 Posts
February 10 2016 11:31 GMT
#13
Could we just order it from Amazon.com and have it shipped?
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-10 11:35:21
February 10 2016 11:33 GMT
#14
unless you have a US 3DS or homebrew, regionlock will still mess you up
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45347 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-10 11:35:13
February 10 2016 11:34 GMT
#15
I am not taking the risk of forking over ~80$ to ship it over from Amazon only to realize that the DLC is somehow not compatible leading me to having to buy the other cartridges rather then adding the other routes cheaper through DLC.

I thought 3DS was regionunlocked though.
WriterXiao8~~
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5948 Posts
February 10 2016 11:37 GMT
#16
The DS was the last non-regionlocked handheld of Nintendo. 3DS was regionlocked from the start
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TL+ Member
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 10 2016 15:37 GMT
#17
On February 10 2016 20:34 Kipsate wrote:
I am not taking the risk of forking over ~80$ to ship it over from Amazon only to realize that the DLC is somehow not compatible leading me to having to buy the other cartridges rather then adding the other routes cheaper through DLC.

I thought 3DS was regionunlocked though.

Yeah, you wouldn't be able to download DLC for it. Homebrew removes region lock for the game but to purchase DLC you need access to the other region's eshop, which is currently not possible without owning a 3ds from that region.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13551 Posts
February 10 2016 17:15 GMT
#18
HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE I am soooooo excited for this. Still holding out trying to get an SE. This game is gonna be so damn fun.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13551 Posts
February 10 2016 17:17 GMT
#19
On February 10 2016 20:17 Kipsate wrote:
Im so hyped but I am not sure when this thing comes out in Europe.
Also didn't they censor everything out of it because its basically waifu simulator as well.(Last time I heard you can headrub your characters with the stylus and make them say lewd things rofl)

Considering going the reccomended route of Birthright>Conquest because of story but Severa is only a char on Nohr thnk so -.-. Moreover, Conquest doesn't have infinite exp/gold which is an easy way out (and too tempting for me to not do since I basically (overlevel)level the chars that I want rather then have a good strategic balance). Lastly I think I like the Nohr more stylistically(in terms of armour and shit) then I do the glorious Nippon Hoshido.

I hope they did something about pairing up though because that shit was OP af in awakening.

For NA it was censored. Now you talk with them instead of head rub and no gay relationships.

Yes pair up returns. Saw it is gameplay if revelation, that looks like a fun storyline for sure.
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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4367 Posts
February 10 2016 18:37 GMT
#20
They censored out gay relationships for NA? haha my god.
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