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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34169 Posts
February 10 2016 18:53 GMT
#21
it sucks

but it was clearly not the reason i was buying the game so, who cares lol
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 10 2016 18:56 GMT
#22
On February 11 2016 03:37 Laurens wrote:
They censored out gay relationships for NA? haha my god.

Both potential gay pairings are still in the game iirc.

The issue with the Soleil support is different entirely.
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TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
February 10 2016 19:10 GMT
#23
On February 10 2016 19:24 TheYango wrote:
Been following the game basically since it's Japanese release through streamers and various FE community sites. Pretty hyped for the game's English release since people I know who have similar taste to myself in the series have ranked it pretty highly among them. Fortunately managed to preorder the Special Edition when it went up, so I don't have to worry about the version split.

For those who are trying to decide which version to start with:
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1) First off, don't feel like you are really compelled to buy all 3. The 2 main routes are more or less self-standing games on their own (the 3rd one isn't really, but that's its own issue I'll get into later). There are definitely people who've imported and felt one route was vastly superior to the others, though which one depends on your personal taste in the series.

2) Similarly, don't feel like Revelations is somehow a compulsory purchase. The fact that it's the "neutral" route where you get to recruit characters from both sides does not somehow make it the definitive experience. In fact, people have criticized the route for having weaker gameplay (including a significant number of recycled maps from the main routes), as well as atrocious unit balance (rivaling FE6 for worst character balance in the series) and difficulty scaling (Revelations Lunatic relying more on up-scaling enemy stats rather than enemy positioning/density). If the idea of Revelations doesn't appeal to you, then don't feel like you're missing out by not buying it.

3) If you are planning to play all 3 eventually, the recommended order is Birthright -> Conquest -> Revelations. From a gameplay standpoint Birthright is the easiest of the three routes, and Conquest is arguably the most difficult. From a story perspective, there's a natural progression from Birthright, to Conquest, to Revelations, where Birthright serves as a sort of exposition that raises some questions, Conquest reveals some of the underlying forces, and Revelations answers all of those questions. Conquest's story is self-contained, but I have heard people say that the story is less satisfying without some of the backdrop being set up by playing Birthright first.

4) If you are planning on just playing one of the two, then it depends a bit on your experience and what you expect out of a Fire Emblem game.

Birthright was designed to stay very close to the design of Awakening, as well as being of similar difficulty. This means inheriting a lot of its gameplay flaws that series veterans disliked the game for. There are repeatable battles where you can grind to level up your units. Map design tends to be on the simple side (Awakening map design had a lot of wide open fields with haphazard enemy placement, and Birthright does as well). As in Awakening, virtually all the map objectives are rout. On the plus side, the story for Birthright is generally considered to be the better of the two on it's own.

Conquest on the other hand, is designed much more in the vein of older Fire Emblem games. There are no repeatable battles--each mission can only be played once, and the only repeatable way to level up your units is DLC (though personally, I think this takes a lot of the fun out of this route). It's also confirmed to be noticeably harder than Birthright (as a reference, people I've asked would say Conquest Normal is about as difficult as Awakening Hard, and Conquest Hard is somewhere between FE7 HHM and FE6 Hard Mode). A lot of that difficulty is achieved through more complex map design and varied objectives though, so if that appeals to you, you might enjoy Conquest more.


I kind of rambled a bit there. If people have other questions about the game and any of the new features, hopefully I can answer them or find out from friends who've imported the game.

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The story of Conquest/Birthright are both incomplete, with Revelations giving you the "whole picture," so to speak. Conquest route even ends with a "A mysterious power was controlling the final boss!" moment.

Also nitpick but I would say the DS remakes and Radiant Dawn had worse balance than Binding Blade/Sealed Sword.
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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4537 Posts
February 10 2016 19:27 GMT
#24
What do you guys mean by bad unit balance? Simply some characters being more OP than others? I.e. Lyre being utterly useless in Radiant Dawn while chars like Haar/Ike are beasts?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-11 00:05:59
February 10 2016 20:13 GMT
#25
Blazing Sword has much better unit balance than Binding Blade so IDK why you lump them together.

I can see where you're coming from with RD/the DS remakes but personally I still think FE6 is worse because no other game has unredeemable stinkers on the level of Sophia and Wendy (except Revelations now).

Edit: derp I misread your post
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13969 Posts
February 10 2016 20:18 GMT
#26
On February 11 2016 05:13 TheYango wrote:
Blazing Sword has much better unit balance than Binding Blade so IDK why you lump them together.

I can see where you're coming from with RD/the DS remakes but personally I still think FE6 is worse because no other game has unredeemable stinkers on the level of Sophia and Wendy (except Revelations now).

Im curious, because i agree blazing sword was really well balanced, who were your favorite characters from that game? Lucius all the way for me
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13969 Posts
February 10 2016 21:41 GMT
#27
Someone made a video of firsr 30 min of revelation, pretty big plot points dropped already, very clearly the canon choice
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-11 00:19:50
February 11 2016 00:15 GMT
#28
On February 11 2016 05:18 Cricketer12 wrote:
Im curious, because i agree blazing sword was really well balanced, who were your favorite characters from that game? Lucius all the way for me

I wouldn't call Blazing Sword "really well balanced", it's still really heavily skewed toward the mounted classes. Though I'm personally fine with that because I vastly prefer using high Mov units anyway, it's really hard to argue for a lot of the weaponlocked foot units.

As units, my favorites are probably Kent/Fiora (not surprising given my aforementioned preference for high Mov units). As a character, Guy I guess? IDK, it's been a while, lol.
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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34169 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-11 01:45:52
February 11 2016 01:42 GMT
#29
Fates supposedly sold in 6 months in japan what Awakening sold since release till 2015, 550k+ vs 500k

Nintendo must be really happy with it

Considering how dead this series was, im kinda shocked
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
February 11 2016 03:22 GMT
#30
Did the count include Birthright, Conquest and Revelations? Because a lot of people are going to be buying multiple versions. At least I am while hoping they fix their SKU stupidity.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 11 2016 03:36 GMT
#31
On February 11 2016 12:22 andrewlt wrote:
Did the count include Birthright, Conquest and Revelations? Because a lot of people are going to be buying multiple versions. At least I am while hoping they fix their SKU stupidity.

I would assume that it was physical cartridge purchases.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13969 Posts
February 11 2016 03:57 GMT
#32
On February 11 2016 10:42 Faruko wrote:
Fates supposedly sold in 6 months in japan what Awakening sold since release till 2015, 550k+ vs 500k

Nintendo must be really happy with it

Considering how dead this series was, im kinda shocked

And they refuse to make more special editions...
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Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
February 11 2016 04:24 GMT
#33
I'm annoyed that they have the physical special edition with all three routes available day one but I have to wait for March to get the third route, and I'm even more annoyed that they removed the Japanese audio. Ugh. Still day 1 buy, easy, but Nintendo can suck a fat one.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13969 Posts
February 11 2016 04:59 GMT
#34
On February 11 2016 13:24 Dismay wrote:
I'm annoyed that they have the physical special edition with all three routes available day one but I have to wait for March to get the third route, and I'm even more annoyed that they removed the Japanese audio. Ugh. Still day 1 buy, easy, but Nintendo can suck a fat one.

Yup
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-11 05:50:40
February 11 2016 05:50 GMT
#35
You can't actually play Revelations until you beat at least one of the other two routes anyway, so getting the 3rd route early isn't that big a deal.

No Japanese audio is annoying given how stellar the Japanese voice cast is, but it's probably a licensing issue.
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Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
February 11 2016 06:00 GMT
#36
According to this you can and I'm pretty sure they're in the special edition. That's a minor gripe, the real gripe is the absurdly limited availability since I wasn't able to preorder in time and the voices. I was looking forward to romancing a butler Junichi Suwabe.
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 11 2016 06:50 GMT
#37
Yeah you're right, I just checked again, and I just misread the site I read it on.
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 11 2016 06:53 GMT
#38
No japanese voice pack sucks, hope they will add it through DLC or something.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 11 2016 06:55 GMT
#39
Maybe EU will still get it cuz NoE often gets less shitty localizations for games.

The NA version of Awakening still has the bug where the voice language always resets to English when you restart the game that never got patched.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17920 Posts
February 11 2016 07:37 GMT
#40
On February 11 2016 09:15 TheYango wrote:
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On February 11 2016 05:18 Cricketer12 wrote:
Im curious, because i agree blazing sword was really well balanced, who were your favorite characters from that game? Lucius all the way for me

I wouldn't call Blazing Sword "really well balanced", it's still really heavily skewed toward the mounted classes. Though I'm personally fine with that because I vastly prefer using high Mov units anyway, it's really hard to argue for a lot of the weaponlocked foot units.

As units, my favorites are probably Kent/Fiora (not surprising given my aforementioned preference for high Mov units). As a character, Guy I guess? IDK, it's been a while, lol.

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