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chocorush
Profile Joined June 2009
694 Posts
February 11 2016 18:06 GMT
#61
Mozume might be okay as great merchant promoted at level 10 because conquest is so money starved.

Using her on a no forge no reclass run as a weapon master definitely made the game a nightmare on a whole new level.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-11 18:10:15
February 11 2016 18:08 GMT
#62
The argument for using her on Conquest seems to have mostly been instant-reclass to Archer, but I'm hard pressed to believe that's a better use of your first Parallel Seal than reclassing Corrin to your alt class or Jakob/Felicia to Paladin/Strategist.

Most of the people who advocate this also seem to do so with the assumption that Zero is a bad unit, which seems wrong to me.
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chocorush
Profile Joined June 2009
694 Posts
February 11 2016 18:45 GMT
#63
It's hard for me to see how zero can turn out so bad that sinking the resources to make Mozume serviceable is worth it. Her bases are just so bad and the end result so mediocre that it just kills you to sink the turns and exp to try to baby sit her into usefulness.

You get two parallel proofs and two marriage proofs for free though, so you have a lot of flexibility should you want to do one thing or another. The base classes are good enough to beat the game, and prepromotes + children are good so you won't ever be screwed for lack of resources.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34172 Posts
February 19 2016 00:05 GMT
#64
All games have 88+ on Metacritic

Holy shit *0*
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
February 19 2016 00:43 GMT
#65
I can't get behind the price point on this one, gonna have to pass till it's collected and price dropped. See you in a few years.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 19 2016 00:45 GMT
#66
The Gamespot review of Conquest is pretty meme-worthy though.

Complains about being unable to grind when Conquest was pretty much announced as the no-grind route to appeal to series veterans.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
February 19 2016 01:20 GMT
#67
On February 19 2016 09:45 TheYango wrote:
The Gamespot review of Conquest is pretty meme-worthy though.

Complains about being unable to grind when Conquest was pretty much announced as the no-grind route to appeal to series veterans.

Not as memorable as IGN's 7.8/10 too much water review of ORAS
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-19 07:51:06
February 19 2016 02:07 GMT
#68
Fingers crossed. Going SE hunting tomorrow. Wish me luck boys!

EDIT!: NEVER MIND!!!! Best Buy just had a massively popular restock on best buy. Over 2000 copies sold in less than an hour. It looks like mine is confirmded, but a couple of people are reporting that they are still recieving cancellation emails. So things are really up in the air.

EDIT2: Best Buy cancelled on me. Target stock in 10 minutes apparently
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 19 2016 08:19 GMT
#69
Best Buy also delayed a bunch of orders till mid-March. Glad mine shipped or I'd have been pretty salty, haha.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
February 19 2016 08:28 GMT
#70
On February 19 2016 17:19 TheYango wrote:
Best Buy also delayed a bunch of orders till mid-March. Glad mine shipped or I'd have been pretty salty, haha.

Nice. I heard BB delayed a bunch of the Nov Pre-orders. Not to mention this whole ebay thing is rediculous cause no refund for a few days.

Target was a dud, gonna try fry's and target in the morning.

Amazon is also doing a "temporarily out of stock" thing as well...
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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4553 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-19 08:42:42
February 19 2016 08:42 GMT
#71
Now to wait for the EU copy.

I can't get behind the price point on this one, gonna have to pass till it's collected and price dropped. See you in a few years.


Prices don't always go down. FE: PoR is now 100+ pounds on the internet due to lack of availability. And I want it
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
February 19 2016 08:46 GMT
#72
Actually, the unwillingness of Nintendo to have sales on digital games is what keeps me from buying a 3DS. Will I shell out full price for a digital copy of a 2012/2013 game? Hardly..
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riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
February 19 2016 08:48 GMT
#73
i just emulate that shit
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
February 19 2016 08:50 GMT
#74
On February 19 2016 17:48 riotjune wrote:
i just emulate that shit

you cant emulate PoR can you?
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 19 2016 10:02 GMT
#75
The no grinding thing has its upside and downside

the upside is that you can't grind and overlevel, making the game super easy for you. It makes it so the mid to lategame is actually challenging(granted I expect DLC to remove this part still if its available to Conquest)
The downside is that I always favour certain characters in the game and sometimes they are just..........bad? You are forced to use other particular characters.
As for given a choice, I am always tempted to grind a little to get my favourite chars rolling

In my experience for example Pegasus Knights are a huge investment(in most games) as they are often weak until the later stages and prone to die early. Early game units often have axes and lances are not super great againt swords, they just allow them not to die, they also get oneshot by any archers. I would not use Sumia in a no-grind playthrough probably, i'd use Cordellia.

I think its great that they have 2 routes with different playstyles, i'm going to enjoy that

IF I CAN GET MY FKING EU HANDS ON IT.
WriterXiao8~~
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-19 10:45:03
February 19 2016 10:05 GMT
#76
Nah even in no-grind Lunatic, Sumia's a better unit than Cordy. Her availability advantage makes up the difference in bases and she makes better use of Chrom pair-up than any unit in the game except FeRobin (Chrom Pair Up does a ton of work when you get to Cordy's join chapter because IIRC they can be S-supported by then which means he'll have like 80% Dual Strike chance in all combats with her--and since Falchion has both effective damage and WTA they just tear up the Wyverns which are otherwise just a huge pain in the ass).

I get what you're trying to say but Awakening's a bad example for it because Pair Up does a ton of work patching up sketchy starts, and the stat inflation makes everyone a growth unit (a lot of the worst units are your redundant mid-lategame prepromotes which is rarely the case in other FE games). Cordy's still like top 5 units and you pretty much always use both, but the only units that are more useful than Sumia are Robin and Fred for obvious reasons. The GBA FEs are a much better examples because the overall lower growths lead to higher variance and more likelihood of a growth unit getting RNG-screwed.

EDIT: Regarding no-grind in Conquest, I'm led to believe that it's not a problem--even the really shitty units can still be made viable as long as you show appropriate favoritism and aren't spreading resources way too thin (e.g. you aren't trying to level everyone all at once, but still focus on your core team).
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 19 2016 10:54 GMT
#77
itl be fine, ill prolly do 1 run or two with my favourite on hard and then tryhard on Lunatic when I can, hopefully my fav char will be good(I think it will be).
WriterXiao8~~
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-19 11:05:18
February 19 2016 11:03 GMT
#78
She has an irreplaceable niche in that she's the only easily-obtainable Pegasus on the route and has Pair Up bonuses a lot of units want. Even if her combat doesn't pan out she's an amazing support unit at the absolute worst (Rally Speed, flying movement, staff usage, pair up bonuses).

Will have to see her in action to confirm, but on paper she seems like one of the best units on the route based on that niche alone.
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-19 11:13:39
February 19 2016 11:12 GMT
#79
but my favourite is a mercenary ;;

I wonder if reclassing(is that still in fates) is worth it in Conquest, reclassing usually takes a fuckton of investment to make 1 char super strong.
WriterXiao8~~
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-19 11:20:00
February 19 2016 11:13 GMT
#80
On February 19 2016 20:12 Kipsate wrote:
but my favourite is a mercenary ;;

I know who you're referring to, Pegasus is her reclass option and what makes her good.

On February 19 2016 20:12 Kipsate wrote:
I wonder if reclassing(is that still in fates) is worth it in Conquest, reclassing usually takes a fuckton of investment to make 1 char super strong.

Reclassing doesn't work the same as in Awakening. Your level stays the same (rather than de-leveling down to level 1) and you don't fuck up your internal level for XP gain, it just switches you over cleanly to the new class. You retroactively pick up skills you missed on your subsequent level-ups. If you are a promoted class, you reclass over to other promoted classes and pick up the skills from the base class this way too (so you don't have to slog through base class levels again). The only "investment" is the Parallel Seal itself + retraining E rank weapons if your new class doesn't share a weapon type with your old class.

Early reclassing is very reasonable and there are a couple characters that seem like serious no-brainers to reclass, and Severa is one of them.
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