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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16123 Posts
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B.I.G.
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On October 28 2017 00:33 xDaunt wrote: Yeah, Vamps have been really strong in my games. It's like pre-Norsca Vamps, but now they can settle anywhere. I'm also a little annoyed at how strong the trash Norsca factions always seem to be. Yeah, I've noticed that the Norsca stacks are always huge pretty early on. It might be because the AI considers them "weak, especially considering they have small unit sizes, but they have the best trash units. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8118 Posts
Gonna restart. But if it's the same shit, I'm considering giving up on the campaign until a mod fixes that. It's just not fun. I have a hope that i overextended (maybe no need to take ulthuan so quickly) and my forces are still thier two. Maybe turting and building elite stacks is the way to go? Does anyone know if the chaos bs starts later if you don't go full blitzkrieg and have less settlments? | ||
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Latham
9582 Posts
btw did any1 try Radious and Steel Faith overhaul mods? I enjoyed Radious in Shogun 2 so I'm interested in hischanges to warhammer. Also Steel Faith looks like a high quality mod. I loved Stainless Steel 6.3/6.4 for Medieval 2 the most =3. Wish they'd do more mods | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22440 Posts
On October 29 2017 01:20 Latham wrote: Yep, chaos invasions in mortal empires are dumb as all hell now. They beeline to you and only exclusively to you, ignoring everybody else. I suggest modding this out (download the mod from steam workshop) along with the mod xDaunt posted above for the army upkeep. These 2 changes seem necessary to enjoy ME currently. Has this actually happened to you? because looking around I mostly see people repeating other people but no personal experiences. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8118 Posts
On October 29 2017 01:23 Gorsameth wrote: Has this actually happened to you? because looking around I mostly see people repeating other people but no personal experiences. Well just happened to me, I can testify. It's beyond broken. First wave was around turn 60. four armies from the north. I was finishing off the conquest of Ulthuan so I rushed all my armies to the shore. I managed to kill them (they were mid - thier stuff), but just as I finished them off, four stacks appeared from the south, out of absolutely nowhere. Reload. Stretched all my ressources to raise new armies, sent Tyrion and my best army to the south to deal with the incoming wave. Defeated both. Pfiu. I thought: ok, time to take the last gate, and start enjoying the game. Turn 75. Five stacks spam from the north. Except this time it's chosen and giant spam. They walk tightly together so you have to fight at least two armies at once. I tried to naval combat 3 vs 2 stacks. Bar full red. When I was considering my option (ambushes, lightning strike etc), south invasion arrives. Five more stacks. Meanwhile, one of the armies from the first invasion had had the courtesy to attack the Red Duke. But they suddenly sailed back to me and attacked me from the east. So I'm on normal difficulty, had had to kill off eight armies at round 60, and ELEVEN elite stacks of chosen show off from every possible direction. That's beyond bullshit. It was supposed to be a sandbox not a starship trooper deathmap from the old Brood War time. Oh and by the way, we are back at pre Norsca bullshit, with the north of the map being transformed into a Mad Max wasteland with 78568674368797043645 stacks of Norscans stacks full of chariots rolf stomping everybody and his brother before you have time to even meet them. Downloaded a mod to nerf Norsca, and a mod to kill of the chaos bullshit altogether. Maybe I can start enjoying the game. | ||
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Latham
9582 Posts
On October 29 2017 01:23 Gorsameth wrote: Has this actually happened to you? because looking around I mostly see people repeating other people but no personal experiences. I tried out Teclis and had 6 stacks of chaos sailing to my capital roughly around turn 70. edit: it was on normal difficulty. Haven't had the time to really get into ME yet on hard/VH. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22440 Posts
On October 29 2017 01:31 Biff The Understudy wrote: Well just happened to me, I can testify. It's beyond broken. First wave was around turn 60. four armies from the north. I was finishing off the conquest of Ulthuan so I rushed all my armies to the shore. I managed to kill them (they were mid - thier stuff), but just as I finished them off, four stacks appeared from the south, out of absolutely nowhere. Reload. Stretched all my ressources to raise new armies, sent Tyrion and my best army to the south to deal with the incoming wave. Defeated both. Pfiu. I thought: ok, time to take the last gate, and start enjoying the game. Turn 75. Five stacks spam from the north. Except this time it's chosen and giant spam. They walk tightly together so you have to fight at least two armies at once. I tried to naval combat 3 vs 2 stacks. Bar full red. When I was considering my option (ambushes, lightning strike etc), south invasion arrives. Five more stacks. Meanwhile, one of the armies from the first invasion had had the courtesy to attack the Red Duke. But they suddenly sailed back to me and attacked me from the east. So I'm on normal difficulty, had had to kill off eight armies at round 60, and ELEVEN elite stacks of chosen show off from every possible direction. That's beyond bullshit. It was supposed to be a sandbox not a starship trooper deathmap from the old Brood War time. Yeah ok, thats bullshit indeed. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8118 Posts
Apparently they simply didn't change the vortex script. So all the chaos stacks simply ignore everyone else and attack you and only you. Thing is, if those stacks attacked everyone equally it would be kind of fine. Everyone gets one or two stacks to fight with. The really weird behavuour of the army that attacked the red duke first but turned back and joined the party immediately when the second wave arrived make me certain that all chaos armies are supposed to rush you and only you. Which in a way is fine, I didn't like the whole map being a ruin. But then, do it three stacks at a time. Not eleven. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.redd.it/q41kyboiskuz.png) WTF is that? Is CA high? Whoever thought this was a good idea -- combined with neutering the number of armies that the player can field due to obscene upkeep penalties -- needs to be fired. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4344 Posts
On October 29 2017 01:31 Biff The Understudy wrote: Well just happened to me, I can testify. It's beyond broken. First wave was around turn 60. four armies from the north. I was finishing off the conquest of Ulthuan so I rushed all my armies to the shore. I managed to kill them (they were mid - thier stuff), but just as I finished them off, four stacks appeared from the south, out of absolutely nowhere. Reload. Stretched all my ressources to raise new armies, sent Tyrion and my best army to the south to deal with the incoming wave. Defeated both. Pfiu. I thought: ok, time to take the last gate, and start enjoying the game. Turn 75. Five stacks spam from the north. Except this time it's chosen and giant spam. They walk tightly together so you have to fight at least two armies at once. I tried to naval combat 3 vs 2 stacks. Bar full red. When I was considering my option (ambushes, lightning strike etc), south invasion arrives. Five more stacks. Meanwhile, one of the armies from the first invasion had had the courtesy to attack the Red Duke. But they suddenly sailed back to me and attacked me from the east. So I'm on normal difficulty, had had to kill off eight armies at round 60, and ELEVEN elite stacks of chosen show off from every possible direction. That's beyond bullshit. It was supposed to be a sandbox not a starship trooper deathmap from the old Brood War time. Oh and by the way, we are back at pre Norsca bullshit, with the north of the map being transformed into a Mad Max wasteland with 78568674368797043645 stacks of Norscans stacks full of chariots rolf stomping everybody and his brother before you have time to even meet them. Downloaded a mod to nerf Norsca, and a mod to kill of the chaos bullshit altogether. Maybe I can start enjoying the game. The part about them only coming for me I can't confirm. I was playing as Maz and before I had all of Lustria, the first few stacks from the south went to the first coastal cities they find and not me (despite me having most of Lustria at the time). That means they attacked me, Skaven and HE (Teclis). The northern invasion was the one shown on screen with the warning...I saw 4 stacks in the "warning" from the advisor but only 2 reached my shore so the other 2 must have gone elsewhere (DE probably). Obviously after you conquer an entire continente and they attack from that direction, they can only attack you. However, I agree that the frequency and nature of the stacks makes for less than an ideal experience in terms of fun. Challenge is nice but not like this. Every 10/15 turns 10 stacks appear split from the north and south and raze a few settlements before I have the chance to get enough of my army there to stop them. I then spend a few turns rebuilding only to, just as I finish, face the same thing again. I have a lot of money so I'll be making a few extra stacks just to permanently leave them in the first settlements the Chaos stacks face just to avoid this. My other armies will be doing what I want to do on the map. The thing is....upkeep eventually adds up. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8118 Posts
On October 29 2017 03:00 KobraKay wrote: The part about them only coming for me I can't confirm. I was playing as Maz and before I had all of Lustria, the first few stacks from the south went to the first coastal cities they find and not me (despite me having most of Lustria at the time). That means they attacked me, Skaven and HE (Teclis). The northern invasion was the one shown on screen with the warning...I saw 4 stacks in the "warning" from the advisor but only 2 reached my shore so the other 2 must have gone elsewhere (DE probably). Obviously after you conquer an entire continente and they attack from that direction, they can only attack you. However, I agree that the frequency and nature of the stacks makes for less than an ideal experience in terms of fun. Challenge is nice but not like this. Every 10/15 turns 10 stacks appear split from the north and south and raze a few settlements before I have the chance to get enough of my army there to stop them. I then spend a few turns rebuilding only to, just as I finish, face the same thing again. I have a lot of money so I'll be making a few extra stacks just to permanently leave them in the first settlements the Chaos stacks face just to avoid this. My other armies will be doing what I want to do on the map. The thing is....upkeep eventually adds up. After seeing xDaunt screenshot, i started to wonder if it's not simply that they spam by groups of 15-20, with five or so "only" heading straight to ulthuan. From both north and south. Several people have specifically complained about the High Elves, so it might be something worse with them. Maybe CA expects you to abandon altogether outer Ulthuan and hope for the best behind the gates? I wonder what happens when you play the dwarfs and factions like that. Do they also spam 15 land doomstacks from the east? I restarted my campaign with mods to remove that bs altogether. Challenge is fun but that's simply not enjoyable at all. And if it's not enough challenge, I'll just higher difficulty. | ||
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waffelz
Germany711 Posts
On October 29 2017 02:12 xDaunt wrote: + Show Spoiler + WTF is that? Is CA high? Whoever thought this was a good idea -- combined with neutering the number of armies that the player can field due to obscene upkeep penalties -- needs to be fired. Oh boy, its time to ride the lightning again : D But I agree, it is ridicules in ME... you basically have to block the coast line so they can't land with too many armies at once so you can guarantee that you are able to lightning strike all landing forces in one turn, then continue with the next wave and the next and the next and... My perception of how many armies you can field was incredibly distorted from my last skaven run where I could afford pretty much anything because I had about 10 big battles with Malektih and his BDSM-elves each turn so my tax income was irrelevant. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11905 Posts
On October 29 2017 01:20 Latham wrote: Yep, chaos invasions in mortal empires are dumb as all hell now. They beeline to you and only exclusively to you, ignoring everybody else. I suggest modding this out (download the mod from steam workshop) along with the mod xDaunt posted above for the army upkeep. These 2 changes seem necessary to enjoy ME currently. btw did any1 try Radious and Steel Faith overhaul mods? I enjoyed Radious in Shogun 2 so I'm interested in hischanges to warhammer. Also Steel Faith looks like a high quality mod. I loved Stainless Steel 6.3/6.4 for Medieval 2 the most =3. Wish they'd do more mods I played Steel Faith in TW:Warhammer 1 a month or two ago and thought it was fun. Though to be honest, if you asked what it changed, i couldn't tell you. Not because it didn't change a lot of things, i am sure it did, but simply because i have no idea which of the things i encountered were changed by it and which were not, my vanilla experience was a while ago. There were a few weird things happening with savegames being unable to be loaded, but they solved itself after a few hours, so i have no idea what was going on there. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
They tried really hard to hold their settlements in the mountains. But vs dwarfs, not a chance. And then 4 dwarfen empires collapsed into their homeland. Went to a Dark Elf campaign to test Hard. Had fun raiding and getting my mainregion pushed to 20k income, but most settlements around me are now level 0 and they can't field armies anymore, since they dont bother building up again. Luckily i didnt notice how the Dark Elves and Skaven got overrun by a random army consisting of Skaven and Goblins. So expanding north now, its weird to have a 50/50 autoresolve chance against a 6 unit garrison. But Doomwheels and Giant Spiders are scary. Just like the only army they had So many Doomwheels and Spiders. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
I had a Empire/Dwarf Hybrid with lots of Slayers, Free Company, and various artillery guns spawn in my home field in NoteEthiopia (as Kroq-Gar) when I was defending against Chaos Doomwaves hitting my coast. Nothing was vaguely in range and I was stretched to the limit financially (+ Show Spoiler + I'll prolly eventually cave and get the reduced supply line mod Lost a settlement, but in the fight I was able to kill about half of the artillery. Next settlement was walled and I fought a bizarre but awesome defense trying to kill their backline with my Raptors and Triceratops without getting them killed by the Slayers. Was a really unique challenge and fun coming up with tactics on the fly. | ||
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B.I.G.
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Biff The Understudy
France8118 Posts
On October 29 2017 16:03 B.I.G. wrote: The most unbelievable thing about warhammer is where they keep finding the tens of thousands of sentient beings willing to be butchered en masse by monsters machines and spells that shred them like a blender. The fact that those guys even consider fighting five meter tall spiders or giants as tall as a building without instantly running for their lives has always been the most unrealistic part of Warhammer. Dragons, goblins? Fine. Not running when this shit is charging you? Come on! Warhammer. Made with balls (of steel, of the size of a watermelon) | ||
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