EPTOnce you've seen it, Overwatch feels like the cleanest shooter ever.:-)
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iXphobos
Germany1465 Posts
Once you've seen it, Overwatch feels like the cleanest shooter ever.:-) | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
On November 04 2015 05:47 iXphobos wrote: Concerning screen clutter. Anyone playing the Battleborn Beta? Once you've seen it, Overwatch feels like the cleanest shooter ever.:-) Tried it, unistalled it after 10 minutes. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On November 04 2015 02:49 Plansix wrote: There is nothing wrong with making people aware that 2GD isn't completely free of bias in this matter. I don't think it was a huge factor in his comments, but it doesn't hurt to know that he is making a competitor to Overwatch in the Twitch viewing space. And many of the twitch streamers praising OW have a vested interest (hell, some of them make their entire living) in playing/commentating/producing Blizzard games and/or viewing content for Blizzard games. Yet no one needs to a disclaimer before watching JP or Day9. Suggesting that Blizzard ignore spectating features and encourages the community to come up with solutions is actually laughable in how grimy and pathetic it is, but then again Riot did basically the same thing and they're doing fine. Valve is the big outlier here but (yes they're all corporations trying to make a profit they're not charities blahblahblah) at least they have a modicum of respect for their playerbase. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22661 Posts
On November 04 2015 05:55 hariooo wrote: And many of the twitch streamers praising OW have a vested interest (hell, some of them make their entire living) in playing/commentating/producing Blizzard games and/or viewing content for Blizzard games. Yet no one needs to a disclaimer before watching JP or Day9. Suggesting that Blizzard ignore spectating features and encourages the community to come up with solutions is actually laughable in how grimy and pathetic it is, but then again Riot did basically the same thing and they're doing fine. Valve is the big outlier here but (yes they're all corporations trying to make a profit they're not charities blahblahblah) at least they have a modicum of respect for their playerbase. JP does not make his money off of Blizzard games lol more then 90% of the current streams dont. Heck it may well be 100%. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On November 04 2015 05:58 Gorsameth wrote: JP does not make his money off of Blizzard games lol more then 90% of the current streams dont. Heck it may well be 100%. Has JP ever produced content for a Blizzard game that he has made money off of? Is it personally beneficial for JP to maintain a friendly relation with Blizzard in order to maintain or grow his level of access to Blizzard products and or events? I'm not sure what you think you're talking about. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22661 Posts
On November 04 2015 06:01 hariooo wrote: Never playing a Blizzard game again would have no real effect on JP. He is a general streamer, he plays whatever big game he enjoys and his viewers want to see.Has JP ever produced content for a Blizzard game that he has made money off of? Is it personally beneficial for JP to maintain a friendly relation with Blizzard in order to maintain or grow his level of access to Blizzard products and or events? I'm not sure what you think you're talking about. To think JP(or anyone else) is afraid of being critical because of consequences from Blizzard is hilariously dumb. | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On November 04 2015 06:06 Gorsameth wrote: Never playing a Blizzard game again would have no real effect on JP. He is a general streamer, he plays whatever big game he enjoys and his viewers want to see. To think JP(or anyone else) is afraid of being critical because of consequences from Blizzard is hilariously dumb. Good thing I said, "Yet no one needs to a disclaimer before watching JP or Day9." The point I was making was that there's no real reason to assume someone like JP would be unfairly sycophantic and also no real reason to assume 2GD would be unfairly critical. Either you didn't read my post properly or you're trying to spin my argument to make it look like I'm attacking people like JP. Which is it? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22661 Posts
On November 04 2015 06:15 hariooo wrote: Good thing I said, "Yet no one needs to a disclaimer before watching JP or Day9." The point I was making was that there's no real reason to assume someone like JP would be unfairly sycophantic and also no real reason to assume 2GD would be unfairly critical. Either you didn't read my post properly or you're trying to spin my argument to make it look like I'm attacking people like JP. Which is it? My post is the same as Plansix, 2GD certainly has more interest in Overwatch not succeeding then most others. That does not mean that he was unfairly critical. But to compare his situation with a streamer (like JP) is not correct imo. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 04 2015 06:35 hariooo wrote: Well at least you both admit to the doublethink going on here. So JP/Day9 don't need Blizzard to succeed so don't worry about conflict of interest (probably true) but it's reasonable to say that 2GD is engaging in subterfuge on State of the Game and wants OW to fail. K Neither Day 9 or JP are claiming anything more than they like to play the game and got into the beta. And everyone knows why they got into the beta over other people. Any conflict is self evident. 2GD is a game developer who is talking about the games viability as an Esport in the exact same market it is making a game for. And I clearly stated I didn’t think it was a huge deal, but something that is good to be aware of. Just like people are already aware of JP and Day 9’s relationship with Blizzard. Which likely boils down to an email address to ask for a key in the case of JP. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On November 04 2015 06:01 hariooo wrote: Has JP ever produced content for a Blizzard game that he has made money off of? Is it personally beneficial for JP to maintain a friendly relation with Blizzard in order to maintain or grow his level of access to Blizzard products and or events? I'm not sure what you think you're talking about. Wait, are we talking about JP McDaniel? Because he ran SotG, SC2 casts, Hearthstone videos, and all manner of other things over the last 5 years. So yes, he does make lots of money off Blizzard games. Does that make him a Blizzard-exclusive lackey? Hell no. The only disclaimer would be, "I was granted beta access to cover this game," but everyone already knows that Blizzard targeted streamers for the first wave, so it's not necessary. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22661 Posts
If you cant see the different between being the lead designed of an upcoming shooter and a streamer who sometimes streams Blizzard games then there is nothing left to talk about. | ||
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Velzi
Finland659 Posts
took me only 3 minutes, am i better? | ||
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nighcol
298 Posts
On November 04 2015 05:06 Plansix wrote: Except that is where the majority of the 'evidence' that SC2 viewers don't play the game comes from. There are not a lot of people out there collecting publicly available data on the subject. Unfortunately I don't have time to dig right now but I'm pretty sure there was more than just anecdotes on this from some people, referring to the tournament viewership vs. active player numbers. IIRC SC2 came up as having a much higher ratio than any other game. Personal stories supporting that are nice and all but this is what I'm mostly referring to. | ||
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nighcol
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Dingodile
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On November 04 2015 06:06 Gorsameth wrote: To think JP(or anyone else) is afraid of being critical because of consequences from Blizzard is hilariously dumb. Cant speak about Overwatch but I think this is the case in sc2, including players. If they have to complain, they use twitter in a very unclear/indirect message or they say nothing. I think nobody can say something bad/critical directly to Blizzard (even behind closed doors). edit: Idra got 2 days ladder ban because of "DKim is terrible" or something like that on stream. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On November 04 2015 06:43 Gorsameth wrote: Neither of us say that 2GD was unfair or "engaged in subterfuge". But it is worth noting he is currently actively working on a direct competitor to Overwatch. If you cant see the different between being the lead designed of an upcoming shooter and a streamer who sometimes streams Blizzard games then there is nothing left to talk about. Yeah Day9 just very occasionally streamed or produced SC2 content back in the day, right. Not to mention Reflex is not a direct competitor to OW at all. I'm sure there's player overlap but it's like comparing TF2 to Quake Live. Nor was I specifically targeting JP/Day9 in my comment they were just two examples of industry personalities with ties to Blizzard who have just as much reason to prop up Blizzard as 2GD has reasons to put them down (read: not really). If you're going to casually bring up 2GD's motives and make baseless insinuations it's really only logically consistent for you to put the same level of scrutiny on the other side. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On November 04 2015 06:10 -NegativeZero- wrote: i like how the game's just barely in closed beta and everyone is already going full retard over "esports". give it time, the game is more important as an actual game. I know right? It's ridiculous. Instead of talking about the game, most of us are talking about esports potential, as if we are blizzard senior management instead of simply players. | ||
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