EPTHow do you waste rage if you spend it much faster than you can use it ?
CS gives the same % extra damage to either whirlwind and execute.
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Godwrath
Spain10156 Posts
How do you waste rage if you spend it much faster than you can use it ? CS gives the same % extra damage to either whirlwind and execute. | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On October 23 2014 00:19 deth2munkies wrote: Last point on this matter: it's assuming 100% Rend uptime, 0 wasted rage from TfB, and not including CS calcs, it's a lot closer if higher at all. Done talking about it though. If you don't have 100% rend uptime and also rage cap, there are bigger issues than choice of talents... There are certainly reasons why a picture-perfect sim rotation is not always practical, but those are not them... | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
Nah, wow is fun, why would it be sad to be back? I'd still be playing some videogame anyway because that's just kind of what i do anyway. Sad there isn't a game in 10 years that beats WoW. That's what i meant.  Last point on this matter: it's assuming 100% Rend uptime, 0 wasted rage from TfB, and not including CS calcs, it's a lot closer if higher at all. Done talking about it though. If you're at the boss, rend is up. So yes, rend has a 100% uptime. In fact, to be a fair comparison, you actually have to keep in mind that rend ticks even if you dodge some stuff on the ground. Meaning, it actually has more uptime than your hits. Worst case scenario is that you're ragecapped at that moment, meaning you don't get anything out of it (which obviously doesn't make it bad, since it's your fault - you never should be ragecapped). So your best argument is that if you play bad, TfB does the same as SD. CS calcs don't matter, since it works for WW and execute. In fact, even that works in favor of TfB, since TfB is more reliable. And if you now put 4pc T16 into it.. Well, you get the picture. At this point you just threw some shit at a wall and hoped that something sticks while you run away from a discussion that you lost, instead of admitting it and learning from it. Thanks Godwrath btw for the math, that almost made me forget the eurocup 2008. ;P edit I meant at lvl 90, as a "things won't change much". Well, my spec will change. Shooting red things is better than shooting white/blueish things for decades, at least for a while  | ||
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Serejai
6007 Posts
Sad there isn't a game in 10 years that beats WoW. That's what i meant. Define "beats", because there have been numerous MMOs that are better games as a whole than WoW is; they just don't have the marketing to match the numbers. It's easy to say "well if there were a better game then everyone would be playing it" but sadly that's not the case. Numerous examples in the video game industry show that social acceptability/popularity are far more important to the success of a game than the actual game itself. If the measure of success is a game that has more subscribers than WoW then there will never be another successful MMO. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22490 Posts
On October 23 2014 01:46 Serejai wrote: Define "beats", because there have been numerous MMOs that are better games as a whole than WoW is; they just don't have the marketing to match the numbers. It's easy to say "well if there were a better game then everyone would be playing it" but sadly that's not the case. Numerous examples in the video game industry show that social acceptability/popularity are far more important to the success of a game than the actual game itself. If the measure of success is a game that has more subscribers than WoW then there will never be another successful MMO. And yet I have not yet played an MMO that played better then WoW. Granted I have not played all of them but A large group of players has been looking for a game to replace WoW with and they haven't found it yet. Also what marketing are you talking about? WoW has very little marketing going on when compared to its competition. It doesnt have to, it just has to show itself when a new expansion is around the corner and go "Is the latest mmo you tried another disappointment? come give me a shot again" and that's all that is needed. I would to hear these unknown MMO's that are better then WoW. I'd love to give them a try. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On October 23 2014 01:46 Serejai wrote: Define "beats", because there have been numerous MMOs that are better games as a whole than WoW is; they just don't have the marketing to match the numbers. It's easy to say "well if there were a better game then everyone would be playing it" but sadly that's not the case. Numerous examples in the video game industry show that social acceptability/popularity are far more important to the success of a game than the actual game itself. If the measure of success is a game that has more subscribers than WoW then there will never be another successful MMO. Beating as in "i have as much fun in it". And i played pretty much every (premium) MMO since then, including but not limited to Secret World, Final Fantasy 14, SWTOR, Wildstar, Guildwars 2, just recently Archeage, the obvious ones like TERA/Rift, and others. All bought and played for at least the free month (wildstar a bit longer). The only one i missed out on because the beta was so bad, was elder scrolls online. Reading about it now, i'm sure i didn't really miss out. Most of the free MMOs don't appeal to me though, especially the asian grinders, so no test there. Social acceptability is kinda funny, since WoW is the exact opposite in my agegroup (i'm 32, mind). So that doesn't play a role for me. edit: Wildstar was good, but i played too early (released too early, half of the things not working etc) - but nowhere near WoW. Archeage actually is fun, i like it. Would i say it's better than WoW? Hell no. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
On October 23 2014 01:46 Serejai wrote: ...there have been numerous MMOs that are better games as a whole than WoW is; they just don't have the marketing to match the numbers. This is, of course, entirely a matter of opinion. It can be argued that there has not been a "better game" than WoW based on the merits of the game itself; your unwillingness to subscribe to such an argument is not an indication that it isn't justifiable. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On October 23 2014 01:56 farvacola wrote: This is, of course, entirely a matter of opinion. It can be argued that there has not been a "better game" than WoW based on the merits of the game itself; your unwillingness to subscribe to such an argument is not an indication that it isn't justifiable. There was. Back in the day i bought Star Wars the Old Republic, because i loved Star Wars Galaxies so much. It actually was the better game (subjectively), to me. Of course, Star Wars TRO was shite. edit: because there have been numerous MMOs that are better games as a whole than WoW is; they just don't have the marketing to match the numbers. I'd like you to list them. | ||
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-ZergGirl
United States54 Posts
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Teoita
Italy12247 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On October 22 2014 22:02 deth2munkies wrote: Taste for Blood does not deal any additional damage, try reading the tooltip. I just confirmed it in game. Execute still costs rage under 20% and costs enough that you can run out spamming it on every GCD (even with TfB) without the proc periodically making it free. If you're going to try to tell me what's better for my class, I'd suggest at least reading the abilities you're looking at. I learn by doing and practicing, not relying on sims. Again, I was a less-geared Warrior than pretty much every DPS except one in the SoO group and I dominated the meters on most fights, even while screwing up my rotation, with Execute being one of my main sources of damage. Is thirst for blood the slam proc? read on EJ/Icy Veins that its pretty much a straight dps loss compared to sudden death and sudden death is pretty much the only viable talent for the arms tree | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22490 Posts
On October 23 2014 07:11 arb wrote: Is thirst for blood the slam proc? read on EJ/Icy Veins that its pretty much a straight dps loss compared to sudden death and sudden death is pretty much the only viable talent for the arms tree Thirst for blood is a talent that gives you 3 rage whenever Rend deals damage. And yes picking Slam is a dps loss over not picking any talent at all. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On October 23 2014 07:11 arb wrote: Is thirst for blood the slam proc? read on EJ/Icy Veins that its pretty much a straight dps loss compared to sudden death and sudden death is pretty much the only viable talent for the arms tree No. It's the rend-procc. Slam is a straight DPS loss to anything. Even taking no talent at all is better than slam. I'd like you to show me where they say that SD is the only viable option for arms though, because that goes basically against everything i've read there. In fact, icy veins even tell you in their arms guide that TfB hands down is the strongest talent, so i heavily doubt your statement. edit: doesn't matter. The last two pages are dedicated to why your statement (was made by a different person) is wrong, including (albeit simple) math. No need to go over it again. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On October 23 2014 01:59 m4ini wrote: There was. Back in the day i bought Star Wars the Old Republic, because i loved Star Wars Galaxies so much. It actually was the better game (subjectively), to me. Of course, Star Wars TRO was shite. edit: I'd like you to list them. The thing about SWG was that they let the players have so much control over what was going on it was incredible. The problem was that if the players didn't take charge, the game was really, really boring. That and the balance: TK/Doctor with the glitched Vibrokuckler that had a 100 yard range being the most egregious. Still, I really enjoyed just running hunting parties on Endor with my Grual pet and Double-sliced Krayt LLC. Wish Truegalaxies and SWGemu would finish up already | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On October 23 2014 07:15 deth2munkies wrote: The thing about SWG was that they let the players have so much control over what was going on it was incredible. The problem was that if the players didn't take charge, the game was really, really boring. That and the balance: TK/Doctor with the glitched Vibrokuckler that had a 100 yard range being the most egregious. Still, I really enjoyed just running hunting parties on Endor with my Grual pet and Double-sliced Krayt LLC. Wish Truegalaxies and SWGemu would finish up already I've read about those, truegalaxies and SWGemu, i thought they stopped the project? Apart from that, the housing. And "space-shipping". I dunno, it just felt brilliant. It looked shit compared to nowadays, but for some reason, it got me hooked. And yeah, the game itself, objectively, didn't really have alot of content itself - most of it was generated by players. Still. Back in the day when i played, i would've picked it over WoW every day. I think the biggest part with that is the way it was played. There weren't any casuals, or rather, barely any. And it they weren't catered to (buffbots). | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On October 23 2014 07:15 m4ini wrote: No. It's the rend-procc. Slam is a straight DPS loss to anything. Even taking no talent at all is better than slam. I'd like you to show me where they say that SD is the only viable option for arms though, because that goes basically against everything i've read there. In fact, icy veins even tell you in their arms guide that TfB hands down is the strongest talent, so i heavily doubt your statement. edit: doesn't matter. The last two pages are dedicated to why your statement (was made by a different person) is wrong, including (albeit simple) math. No need to go over it again. Then they've changed it in the past few days, when the patch came out and i was looking over SD was hands down the best talent on there and ej. I can believe it is a dps increase, i was rage starved pretty much the entire time playing arms tbh. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On October 23 2014 07:20 arb wrote: Then they've changed it in the past few days, when the patch came out and i was looking over SD was hands down the best talent on there and ej. I can believe it is a dps increase, i was rage starved pretty much the entire time playing arms tbh. Sure that it wasn't about the beta-SD with 20% proc-chance? I only checked a couple of days ago, so i can't speak about right after the patch. edit: because obviously, that's ridiculously strong. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22490 Posts
On October 23 2014 07:20 arb wrote: Then they've changed it in the past few days, when the patch came out and i was looking over SD was hands down the best talent on there and ej. I can believe it is a dps increase, i was rage starved pretty much the entire time playing arms tbh. It depends on when you looked. SD was stealth nerfed when 6.0 was deployed on live. On the beta and ptr it had a 20% proc chance and when the patch was deployed it was stealth nerfed down to 10%. If you checked your info before this was discovered then you are right that SD was prob the best talent. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On October 23 2014 07:23 Gorsameth wrote: It depends on when you looked. SD was stealth nerfed when 6.0 was deployed on live. On the beta and ptr it had a 20% proc chance and when the patch was deployed it was stealth nerfed down to 10%. If you checked your info before this was discovered then you are right that SD was prob the best talent. It was before the stealth nerf i take. Because i am 110% certain of what i read. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On October 23 2014 07:49 arb wrote: It was before the stealth nerf i take. Because i am 110% certain of what i read. Well - now it's TfB, according to icy veins and ejs, so.. | ||
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