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DCRed
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 21 2014 23:32 arb wrote: we are all shit gear like 490-510 max and did it really easily you should be able to Okay  good to know. Thx for your advice. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On October 22 2014 17:52 DCRed wrote: The 10% SD in mmo-c is just a tooltip fix, it's been 10% for a long time now. And no you don't use SD as arms even in single target, TfB+4set is better. Oh was it? Wow really? Haha it procs so fucking much still then! But i do love BT being non global, going to make PvP as Arms stupidly easy as their is a glyph which makes BT heal 50% more. Add in DBTS BerserkingRage and RallyingCry gg you don't die lol. Anyway i will be playing PvE so that isn't going to help. Everyone got their heirlooms yet? Been farming them on my alts due to how easy everything is. How unlucky i ran as Fury warrior and 1handed weapon dropped, so i was like rawwr, maybe i go on my pally and spec to prot and get tank shield and just use that for leveling dungeons. NOPE, another 1hander drops lol. So my fury warrior is heading into the new expansion with 2x 1handers TT | ||
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DCRed
Finland435 Posts
Also SMF is effectively equal on single target, TG small advantage on aoe/cleave as always. | ||
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ViperPL
Poland1775 Posts
On October 22 2014 18:13 Pandemona wrote: i do love BT being non global, going to make PvP as Arms stupidly easy  So my fury warrior is heading into the new expansion with 2x 1handers TT Dude, SMF > TG, running around with 2x2h looks totally silly :D | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On October 22 2014 11:20 m4ini wrote: Did your feet fall asleep while doing so? I thought it's quite obvious that i was talking about "how the warrior plays", not where they are in dickmeters. Fury or Arms SD btw? edit: has to be fury i suppose, since as arms SD is a dps net-loss. In all honesty, 60-70 feels now like it felt when BC came out. Like, you have to quest through zones. I actually quested completely through nagrand and blades edge (blades edge maybe 85%), and still had to run roughly 15 quests in netherstorm to finally hit 70. I went into nagrand at lvl 66 btw. It doesnt feel close to BC, i dungeoned my way through 60-70 in like 6-7 hours. grinding a level in bc toook wayyyyyyyyyyy longer Actually also did it tonight with 5 people doing the same strategy as i described to you. all of us standing in the middle and he didnt roll. On October 22 2014 18:20 ViperPL wrote: Dude, SMF > TG, running around with 2x2h looks totally silly :D SMF Is always going to be more effective than TG at the expansion start. end game + last tier TG will end up pretty ahead | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Really SMF will be ahead. Even with haste being such a factor in warriors build now? I can't see that? Maybe SMF for first tier until you have 2 x epic 2hander? Will do some more research on that i guess. Also lots of people does say 2x 2hander looks silly, i agree but also the transmog you can get is awesome with 2x 2hander. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10131 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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micronesia
United States24724 Posts
Gotta say male night elf looks ridiculous running now also... especially in shrine with the speed boost | ||
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DCRed
Finland435 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10131 Posts
On October 22 2014 20:14 DCRed wrote: The new models completely butchered male ud casting animations thus fuck new models, oldud4lyfe. I will have to check it out... UD male had the best casting animations ever. | ||
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ViperPL
Poland1775 Posts
On October 22 2014 20:15 Godwrath wrote: I will have to check it out... UD male had the best casting animations ever. "Had" being the keyword here | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
She is hottttt lol. Going to have to make it blood elf though TT those models not been updated yet they are soon™ | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On October 22 2014 17:30 deth2munkies wrote: You have no idea how new Arms works, do you? There really is no point in the fight where rage is enough of an issue for TfB to matter except under 20% when you're spamming execute every GCD, and SD helps with that. I haven't tried Slam, but I really doubt it's as good as SD given how often it procs. It's insane. Edit: TfB may be better on multi-target fights if you have multiple rends up (I'm assuming that it works on all applications of rend) and you're constantly spamming Whirlwind. Still, it would be only marginally better than Slam/SD. On the contrary, i seem to have a better grip on a class that i only toon, because even though i will never play the warrior "seriously", i still wanna get the most out of it. SD doesn't help you with rage under 20%, it actually does the opposite. Again, it says right there in the tooltip. Apart from that, TfB also does damage, you're acting as if you simply get a 3 rage per second perk, in that case you might've been right. But it isn't, meaning you're simply wrong. The fact alone that you "doubt slam is as good as SD" tells the story of you not doing the effort of reading up on your talents, because slam, believe it or not, is worse than chosing no talent at all. You do less DPS when you take it compared to not chosing any talent at all in that tier. To my knowledge, it's the only talent currently in game that is that bad. SD procs with 10%. That's not insane. It's, well, 10%. TfB T16 4pc is better than SD single target as well. And yes, multiple applications of rend are additive. And no, TfB marginally better than slam is, and i'm sorry, so incredibly knowledge-less, it makes "you have no idea how the new arms work" look funny. Arrogant enough to tell me that i don't have an idea, and in the next sentences you admit that you're the one not reading up on stuff. Maybe you should. arguments like this can be easily prevented. edit: It doesnt feel close to BC, i dungeoned my way through 60-70 in like 6-7 hours. grinding a level in bc toook wayyyyyyyyyyy longer 15+ minutes per queue, not really able to dungeon my way through an expansion. Downside of playing DD  edit2: i wonder though, if i'm the only one getting confused by the gear now. It doesn't really feel like i'm progressing, ilvl 272 gear is basically almost the same as 187. There's no difference really. In fact, my mage still has an itemlevel 59 trinket on lvl 70, with 23 int. So far, nothing came even close. Does "older gear" kinda give you less bonus on higher levels or something, or do you actually not need to switch gear at all anymore, basically? Also for fury the nerfs to ws probably pushes SD>FS now, not really playing my warrior unless they manage to fix even one spec. Well, prot still works well-ish. And i guess, gladiator works too, appears to be at least. But that doesn't help you on 90, really. | ||
Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
http://www.wowhead.com/item=29077 http://www.wowhead.com/item=86714 | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10131 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On October 22 2014 21:47 Teoita wrote: Basically the stat curve is so shallow now, that upgrades between levels are almost non existant. For example, you have roughly ~20 int on both early hellfire items, and t14 lfr stuff. It's seriously fucking bizarre. You do get more secondaries though: http://www.wowhead.com/item=29077 http://www.wowhead.com/item=86714 That's what i mean. These two are a good example, you gain 0,05% crit and 0,19% mastery. It's actually less, since the T4 piece has two sockets more. Between a tier 16 and a tier 4. Statsquish yay, but to basically make gear completely obsolete (between those two, the dps-change in a raid will be barely noticable, if there actually is any) isn't a good idea for a game that is based on that. Not sure that i like that direction, i think they could've still squished but used a different route for the gear, to give players the feeling that they actually progress in some form or another. edit: godwrath, while i agree that lower levels are not necessarily focus for squishs - that's the content that new players have to go through. Honestly? As a new player, it's boring as hell now. There's literally no progression anymore for 90 levels (t4 being as good apart from the bonus as t16, come on Oo). I find that odd. | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
The really wierd thing is that atm our stats are around wotlk levels (say, int or spellpower), yet dps is pulling numbers comparable to cata. Somewhere in there things are still scaling way too well despite items actually having really low stats. Plus, the spike from a freshly dinged level 90 to a hc soo geared 90 is still fucking absurd. edit: not to mention, low level numbers have been really fucked up since the cata revamp. Nowadays a lvl 50 in a dungeon pulls around 500+ dps, which is about what lvl 70 characters did in blue gear, running tbc hcs | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
I learn by doing and practicing, not relying on sims. Again, I was a less-geared Warrior than pretty much every DPS except one in the SoO group and I dominated the meters on most fights, even while screwing up my rotation, with Execute being one of my main sources of damage. | ||
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