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FortuneSyn
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1826 Posts
June 27 2013 22:40 GMT
#321
Anybody here with the ID of DarkTemplar in scrolls?
DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-27 22:55:28
June 27 2013 22:53 GMT
#322
On June 28 2013 07:21 zazen wrote:
I've been playing closed beta for a while and I've been digging this little game!

Probably gonna be surprassed by Hearthstone but I'm having fun. Currently at ~1000 rating. It's really a matter of getting luck with scrolls and getting the good cards - or just spending IRL money and buying them out....

Based on what blinky and the top tier player have said there is very little in the precon decks worth spending real money on. The "good" rare cards have to be found through random scrolls and the faction scrolls. ex. God Hand and Quake >.> .

Edit: or you could trade for them... but again you would need gold not shards.
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-28 02:23:49
June 28 2013 02:22 GMT
#323
god damn it, i just drop from 1700 to 1500 .... Mono Order has been really hard so far even though i got all the cards i needed. Personally, i think hybrid is the way to go since the memorial mechanic is really strong for a late game oriented play style. Given how many defensive low cost scrolls out there, it would surprise me 1 bit when i see hybrid decks rise to top tier.

edit: oh yeah selling jarls at 350g :D
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
June 28 2013 04:16 GMT
#324
On June 28 2013 11:22 NB wrote:
god damn it, i just drop from 1700 to 1500 .... Mono Order has been really hard so far even though i got all the cards i needed. Personally, i think hybrid is the way to go since the memorial mechanic is really strong for a late game oriented play style. Given how many defensive low cost scrolls out there, it would surprise me 1 bit when i see hybrid decks rise to top tier.

edit: oh yeah selling jarls at 350g :D


Maybe your composition is off. I'm @ 1800+ with mono order, and I see 2k+ players running mono order.
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 28 2013 05:30 GMT
#325
On June 28 2013 13:16 Jugan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 11:22 NB wrote:
god damn it, i just drop from 1700 to 1500 .... Mono Order has been really hard so far even though i got all the cards i needed. Personally, i think hybrid is the way to go since the memorial mechanic is really strong for a late game oriented play style. Given how many defensive low cost scrolls out there, it would surprise me 1 bit when i see hybrid decks rise to top tier.

edit: oh yeah selling jarls at 350g :D


Maybe your composition is off. I'm @ 1800+ with mono order, and I see 2k+ players running mono order.

i try to be flexible but there is not sweet spot to achieve 50% wr on all match up. Its always like 80-20 or 90-10. For example i used to run blinky mono order mangole-less deck but it got demolished by energy users. I tweak it and start losing to mono order, tweak again and lose to growth....
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DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
June 28 2013 07:55 GMT
#326
I'm genuinely curious is mono energy even viable for competitive play?
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climax
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1088 Posts
June 28 2013 08:01 GMT
#327
On June 28 2013 16:55 DonKey_ wrote:
I'm genuinely curious is mono energy even viable for competitive play?

I would like to know this too. I really want to run a mono energy but I feel you really need to go hybrid with energy.
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 28 2013 08:42 GMT
#328
Mono energy: http://www.reddit.com/r/Scrolls/comments/1h66er/bombardcentric_energy_control_deck_explained/

it is viable, i have run into many people who have the same deck as that and they destroy order like no tomorrow. You need to sack for resources and control enemy draw quite heavily though.
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BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
June 28 2013 12:41 GMT
#329
Am i the only one who has had zero problems with gold?

My tip is to NOT get random packs, as 1000 gold of random pack isn't likely to get you 1000 gold worth of cards

The average deck takes no more than 15k to make, which when you're farming for 300-400 gold a game doesn't take that long at all really. I play a game in 10-15 minutes and i get well over 1k gold an hour

I play maybe 1/2 hours a day and i've already built a top tier order deck and a top tier energy deck within that time


The key is to just check the trading channels in between games and look for deals, and spam for people looking to sell their cards and you slowly build the deck you want. Deck's really arn't as expensive as they sound, i.e my order deck is

3k on speed
2k on generals
1.5k in vanguards
1.5k in waking stones
1k on commons
1k in uncommons
1k on pothers
1.5k on imperial resources
2k on other "stuff"
roughly 15k to build this deck
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 28 2013 13:58 GMT
#330
On June 28 2013 21:41 BrTarolg wrote:
Am i the only one who has had zero problems with gold?

My tip is to NOT get random packs, as 1000 gold of random pack isn't likely to get you 1000 gold worth of cards

The average deck takes no more than 15k to make, which when you're farming for 300-400 gold a game doesn't take that long at all really. I play a game in 10-15 minutes and i get well over 1k gold an hour

I play maybe 1/2 hours a day and i've already built a top tier order deck and a top tier energy deck within that time


The key is to just check the trading channels in between games and look for deals, and spam for people looking to sell their cards and you slowly build the deck you want. Deck's really arn't as expensive as they sound, i.e my order deck is

3k on speed
2k on generals
1.5k in vanguards
1.5k in waking stones
1k on commons
1k in uncommons
1k on pothers
1.5k on imperial resources
2k on other "stuff"
roughly 15k to build this deck

the only problem with what you did is that there is no 'perfect' deck to aim for. Its better to go and get every scrolls available and construct multiple decks than aiming for only 1 deck and have nothing else. By the time you filled up your deck, others could probably got more than 50% of all the cards that is available. Plus as you filled up your deck, you could always resell extras on the market to refilled your gold bank.
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rob.au
Profile Joined May 2010
1087 Posts
June 28 2013 14:18 GMT
#331
The problem with the random packs is if you buy them before you get a good deck as soon as you stop facing the preconstructed deck opponents (ie people who bought specific cards instead of packs) you get destroyed because your cards suck.

Hard to get gold if you can't win
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-28 16:47:25
June 28 2013 16:04 GMT
#332
Yeah, i made that mistake. I used all my trial money on random packs. Now i got lots and lots of random cards, but not a single good deck, and have to farm gold in quick matches where each time i play i want to scream because my deck just sucks. I know that good cards exist, i just don't have them. I know that my deck is incredibly bad, but it is the best i can build out of the cards i own. It makes me want to stop playing because i know that i somehow have to gain 10-15k gold before i have a good deck. I guess playing with a good deck, and then expanding into other things is a much better idea then playing with the shit starter decks and slowly, slowly turning them into something that is not very horrible.

I bought packs of 10 cards for 1k, and everything in there is just bad. Meanwhile i lose games because i don't have a single quake, decimation or godhand, so i simply can not ever wipe the board if the enemy gets ahead in any way, i might as well surrender.

I actually think i just don't like TCGs. I thought the concept was cool, but having to farm so much gold just to have a deck that not sucks is annoying. Basically, i thought you have a cool deck, and make it cooler with new cards. Instead you have a shit deck, and have to farm for ages to have a not-shit deck.

I think a main problem is that there is no real low elo, and you gain nothing for losses. So i am stuck with my bad deck gaining no gold at all when i lose, playing against people with thunder surges and quakes and god hands and whatnots. Is there any reasonable way to gold that does not involve winning against other players or doing the hard challenges, for which either i or my deck is apparenty not good enough either? Or is there some sort of deck that actually works with cheap cards only?
heartlxp
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1258 Posts
June 28 2013 17:25 GMT
#333
Well you can play vs med ai, I think it still might be the fastest way to farm gold.

You should be winning < 10 min even w/ precons
BliptiX
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada324 Posts
June 28 2013 17:35 GMT
#334
I started with the worst pre-constructed deck (Order) and really can't say the experience was that bad. I think people are projecting their own inexperience onto their decks.

It would suck when I would run into people with several more rares than me but you deal with it, learn how to beat it with what you have and find the game all the easier when you do obtain the better cards to complete your deck.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11933 Posts
June 28 2013 17:53 GMT
#335
The problem is that playing Growth, or any derivative thereof, without quake is just absurdly random. If you get good draws early on, you get running and never stop (unless the enemy has some way to clear the board). If you are behind, you stay behind, and die.

I think the main problem is that you gain NOTHING when you lose. So you feel like you have to win to progress. But your deck actively hinders your ability to win because you KNOW which cards you want in there, but you don't have them. So you lose, gain nothing, and are annoyed. This is how i feel at the moment. If i had cards, i could win and get gold and get more cards. But since i don't have the cards, i lose, don't get gold, don't get additional cards, and will never get out of it. This could be solved by having actual low Elo so people can win no matter how bad their decks are, but that doesn't exist either due to the stupid not losing points for the first 1500.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 28 2013 18:22 GMT
#336
why are you discussing ELO? just play quick match if you dont have a good deck. Quick match is completely random and is the place to farm up if you dont have a strong deck. Plus completing the trials alone should already given you a decent amount of cash to get a head start. Personally i dont have experience with precon of Growth and Energy but Order also has a huge drawing disadvantage, i guess every deck has its own story.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11933 Posts
June 28 2013 18:27 GMT
#337
Except that it is not. There is a hidden ranking in there too. And since the ranking system this game uses is retarded the same problem persists there too. You need to have a minimum capable deck, or you will start losing a lot very quickly because you can not lose ranking at the beginning. I just assume that they use the same ranking system for quick matches too.

And as i said before, i spent the money from trial on random scrolls, which was apparently a bad decision, since now i got lots of crappy order cards, lots of crappy energy cards, and lots of crappy growth cards.
whoso
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany523 Posts
June 28 2013 18:45 GMT
#338
that automata forge looks insanely strong : D nice one
heartlxp
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1258 Posts
June 28 2013 19:08 GMT
#339
On June 29 2013 03:45 whoso wrote:
that automata forge looks insanely strong : D nice one


agreed, can't wait to try out OE no creature/mass removal and win w/ just DD to idols haha
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
June 28 2013 23:20 GMT
#340
You get less than 1000 gold worth of cards in a set of random packs. Why would you ever get random packs in that case??
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