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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-21 22:24:33
June 21 2013 22:23 GMT
#241
Just because a card is mandatory for a deck to stand a chance to win doesn't mean it's superior to other cards like it. integral cards are NOT inherently overpowered. without quake, growth cannot win a game late, because it has no real way to deal with an established gameboard and still deal damage.
ain
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany786 Posts
June 21 2013 23:49 GMT
#242
On June 22 2013 07:23 PrinceXizor wrote:
Just because a card is mandatory for a deck to stand a chance to win doesn't mean it's superior to other cards like it. integral cards are NOT inherently overpowered. without quake, growth cannot win a game late, because it has no real way to deal with an established gameboard and still deal damage.

But the other cards don't allow you to do what Quake allows you to do. Its the most reliable and damaging board wipe and is best at what it does. With the current meta being to stall while drawing as much of your deck as possible that makes it not only the best card in its category, but also one of the best cards in the game.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 22 2013 00:22 GMT
#243
got matched with a 1900s rating guy and it was not pretty.

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hybrid order growth with mass drawing cards always keep him with 7 cards and 16 mana or so.... I had a chance to win but i didnt see it until i press the end turn button. He ended up rolling me over despite me leading in board control all game. #quake #ezmode
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BliptiX
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada324 Posts
June 22 2013 01:12 GMT
#244
You lost with the board looking like that?

One Decimate from victory, damn. Did he heal it?



NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-22 01:23:28
June 22 2013 01:17 GMT
#245
On June 22 2013 10:12 BliptiX wrote:
You lost with the board looking like that?

One Decimate from victory, damn. Did he heal it?




i dont have decimate (and by that i mean I WISH I HAD IT but i have 0 in my inventory)

He just mass summoning tank units and finish everything in 1 turn with rally(yes, all 3 totems from full HP in 1 turn)

edit: you know what? i only have 1 speed and 0 decimation, ima retire my order deck for a while.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
June 22 2013 01:47 GMT
#246
On June 22 2013 10:17 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 10:12 BliptiX wrote:
You lost with the board looking like that?

One Decimate from victory, damn. Did he heal it?




i dont have decimate (and by that i mean I WISH I HAD IT but i have 0 in my inventory)

He just mass summoning tank units and finish everything in 1 turn with rally(yes, all 3 totems from full HP in 1 turn)

edit: you know what? i only have 1 speed and 0 decimation, ima retire my order deck for a while.

Yeah getting to 1900ish rating without speed or decimation is just showing how strong order is when played well. but your deck IS inferior to pretty much everything you are going to run into at that level, you got there by being good at playing your deck.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 22 2013 02:04 GMT
#247
On June 22 2013 10:47 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 10:17 NB wrote:
On June 22 2013 10:12 BliptiX wrote:
You lost with the board looking like that?

One Decimate from victory, damn. Did he heal it?




i dont have decimate (and by that i mean I WISH I HAD IT but i have 0 in my inventory)

He just mass summoning tank units and finish everything in 1 turn with rally(yes, all 3 totems from full HP in 1 turn)

edit: you know what? i only have 1 speed and 0 decimation, ima retire my order deck for a while.

Yeah getting to 1900ish rating without speed or decimation is just showing how strong order is when played well. but your deck IS inferior to pretty much everything you are going to run into at that level, you got there by being good at playing your deck.

lol you are just taking chance to whine about balance. Im 1600+, the match making matched me with 1900+ so i took my chance :-/
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-22 02:19:14
June 22 2013 02:14 GMT
#248
On June 22 2013 11:04 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 10:47 PrinceXizor wrote:
On June 22 2013 10:17 NB wrote:
On June 22 2013 10:12 BliptiX wrote:
You lost with the board looking like that?

One Decimate from victory, damn. Did he heal it?




i dont have decimate (and by that i mean I WISH I HAD IT but i have 0 in my inventory)

He just mass summoning tank units and finish everything in 1 turn with rally(yes, all 3 totems from full HP in 1 turn)

edit: you know what? i only have 1 speed and 0 decimation, ima retire my order deck for a while.

Yeah getting to 1900ish rating without speed or decimation is just showing how strong order is when played well. but your deck IS inferior to pretty much everything you are going to run into at that level, you got there by being good at playing your deck.

lol you are just taking chance to whine about balance. Im 1600+, the match making matched me with 1900+ so i took my chance :-/

wat? order is a deck that wins more the better the player, while a mediocre player playing growth can win a lot until people start playing really well, and energy is pretty rough to play but powerful at all levels. I thought you were saying you made 1900. xD. i mean i've played vs 2000 ranked players too xD i thought you were saying you hit 1900.

and i meant it all as a complement to your playskill not a balance issue. i don't think the same is poorly balanced at this point at all. but i think people who think growth is the strongest are dumb. before dust runner came out i felt that Order > energy > growth in overall power, but it being the exact opposite at low levels (with growth being the strongest at low levels). but with dust runner shoring up a LOT of the weakness of energy, energy is probably the best at this time.

EDIT: for example i got the game a couple days after release, and hit 2000 ranked once i started playing ranked because i was rolling everyone with growth, and then the more i played the further i dropped in ranked once people figured out how to beat growth (now i'm like 1450)
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 22 2013 03:17 GMT
#249
wat? order is a deck that wins more the better the player, while a mediocre player playing growth can win a lot until people start playing really well, and energy is pretty rough to play but powerful at all levels.


that is like.... your opinion man
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BliptiX
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada324 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-22 06:45:15
June 22 2013 06:42 GMT
#250
Noaidi's have just ruined the game. I initially liked the idea since I was constructing a hybrid Growth/Order deck before it was released and figured it would be a nice addition but it has turned into a far nicer addition for regular Growth/Order decks (only needing 1/2 order).

I just played a game where the opposing player drew 3 within 12 rounds and I drew my first at round 15. That is 3 growth and 3 order over me for free. It's very difficult to come back from that.

These players don't run memorials so there is supposed to be some sort of actual sacrifice to gain that order but now its just ridiculous.

The icing in that game was the 4 back to back God Hand draws to close it. He wasn't even running a ridiculous cycling deck, fuck.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
June 22 2013 06:46 GMT
#251
On June 22 2013 15:42 BliptiX wrote:
Noaidi's have just ruined the game. I initially liked the idea since I was constructing a hybrid Growth/Order deck before it was released and figured it would be a nice addition but it has turned into a far nicer addition for regular Growth/Order decks (only needing 1/2 order).

I just played a game where the opposing player drew 3 within 12 rounds and I drew my first at round 15. That is 3 growth and 3 order over me for free. It's very difficult to come back from that.

These players don't run memorials so there is supposed to be some sort of actual sacrifice to gain that order but now its just ridiculous.

The icing in that game was the 4 back to back God Hand draws to close it. He wasn't even running a ridiculous cycling deck, fuck.

you don't know the pain until you deal with dust runners O_O
Ryan307 :)
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States1289 Posts
June 22 2013 06:50 GMT
#252
Man, this game is absolutely amazing. I have not played an online game since broodwar that I've had this much fun playing. I would strongly recommend this game to anyone!
Dont let the action of factual things fracture your casual swing
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 22 2013 07:08 GMT
#253
On June 22 2013 15:50 Ryan307 wrote:
Man, this game is absolutely amazing. I have not played an online game since broodwar that I've had this much fun playing. I would strongly recommend this game to anyone!

The current client UI definitely somewhat reminds me of Broodwar
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BliptiX
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada324 Posts
June 22 2013 07:19 GMT
#254
On June 22 2013 15:46 PrinceXizor wrote:
you don't know the pain until you deal with dust runners O_O


Dust Runner's don't have shit on Noaidi's. After playing back to back growth/order mirrors I've decided to take a break until that card is fixed. Card games are always luck dependent but just being able to play for 3 fucking growth a 3/2/2 creature that permanently increases your resource pool by 2 is retarded.
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-22 18:40:13
June 22 2013 18:39 GMT
#255
On June 22 2013 11:14 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 11:04 NB wrote:
On June 22 2013 10:47 PrinceXizor wrote:
On June 22 2013 10:17 NB wrote:
On June 22 2013 10:12 BliptiX wrote:
You lost with the board looking like that?

One Decimate from victory, damn. Did he heal it?




i dont have decimate (and by that i mean I WISH I HAD IT but i have 0 in my inventory)

He just mass summoning tank units and finish everything in 1 turn with rally(yes, all 3 totems from full HP in 1 turn)

edit: you know what? i only have 1 speed and 0 decimation, ima retire my order deck for a while.

Yeah getting to 1900ish rating without speed or decimation is just showing how strong order is when played well. but your deck IS inferior to pretty much everything you are going to run into at that level, you got there by being good at playing your deck.

lol you are just taking chance to whine about balance. Im 1600+, the match making matched me with 1900+ so i took my chance :-/

wat? order is a deck that wins more the better the player, while a mediocre player playing growth can win a lot until people start playing really well, and energy is pretty rough to play but powerful at all levels. I thought you were saying you made 1900. xD. i mean i've played vs 2000 ranked players too xD i thought you were saying you hit 1900.

and i meant it all as a complement to your playskill not a balance issue. i don't think the same is poorly balanced at this point at all. but i think people who think growth is the strongest are dumb. before dust runner came out i felt that Order > energy > growth in overall power, but it being the exact opposite at low levels (with growth being the strongest at low levels). but with dust runner shoring up a LOT of the weakness of energy, energy is probably the best at this time.

EDIT: for example i got the game a couple days after release, and hit 2000 ranked once i started playing ranked because i was rolling everyone with growth, and then the more i played the further i dropped in ranked once people figured out how to beat growth (now i'm like 1450)


What are you talking about? More than half of the players play Growth in the top 50. I think there are like 2 or 3 that play Energy.
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
June 22 2013 20:58 GMT
#256
So do you guys see this game getting pretty competitive in the future i.e stream numbers/tournys? or is it going to be one of those fun games that doesn't really break the twitch/esports barrier.
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
June 22 2013 21:26 GMT
#257
On June 23 2013 05:58 Esoterikk wrote:
So do you guys see this game getting pretty competitive in the future i.e stream numbers/tournys? or is it going to be one of those fun games that doesn't really break the twitch/esports barrier.

It's already really fun to watch. I think it has potential once they add more scrolls and features to it and work on the balance. They might need to fix some of the RNGness of the game for it to be viable in big tournaments.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 22 2013 21:29 GMT
#258
stream number is already phenomenal for a game in beta with little to no features ready. letahalfrag, TB, JP are supporting the shit out of scrolls. mojang definitely has interest in developing the competitive scene by making replay mode, tournament mode etc. but whether if its success or not is gonna be depends on there business model in the future.
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Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
June 22 2013 21:48 GMT
#259
On June 23 2013 06:29 NB wrote:
stream number is already phenomenal for a game in beta with little to no features ready. letahalfrag, TB, JP are supporting the shit out of scrolls. mojang definitely has interest in developing the competitive scene by making replay mode, tournament mode etc. but whether if its success or not is gonna be depends on there business model in the future.


Yea, I am going to start streaming it very soon, I honestly am enjoying more than most competitive games out right now and have all but quit playing Dota lately.
ain
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany786 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-22 22:11:51
June 22 2013 22:11 GMT
#260
Don't really see it as competitive.. It's a pretty casual game at heart. But then again everything gets called competitive nowadays *shrug*.
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