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IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
May 21 2013 20:16 GMT
#961
Still working my way through a nebulous backlog on my PS3, Wii, DS and PC. Will stick with these for a bit longer methinks.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
May 21 2013 20:18 GMT
#962
On May 22 2013 05:13 johnny123 wrote:
meh, sticking to pc.. im sure my rig is blows anything ps4/xbox has to offer.


Of course it will, the problem is that console titles aren't always available for PC.
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gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
May 21 2013 20:19 GMT
#963
On May 22 2013 05:01 b3h47pte wrote:
I don't think that information is accurate...Microsoft hasn't suddenly become a chip builder within the last few years. I'm pretty sure the CPU is from AMD as well.

What are you talking about?
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 20:21:16
May 21 2013 20:20 GMT
#964
On May 22 2013 05:19 gruff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 05:01 b3h47pte wrote:
I don't think that information is accurate...Microsoft hasn't suddenly become a chip builder within the last few years. I'm pretty sure the CPU is from AMD as well.

What are you talking about?

The chart said the CPU is built by Microsoft. Microsoft do not build chips. Or have anything to do with chips, really.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 20:23:50
May 21 2013 20:22 GMT
#965
On May 22 2013 05:07 farvacola wrote:
I think everyone ought to keep in mind just how popular "not-computers" are these days. Regardless of capability, there is clearly a large population of consumers willing to shell out extra bucks for things that are like computers and yet somehow different in a key way, whether that be a TV hook up, a tablet design, or a mobile phone template. We, as in TL users, are definitely not the target demographic here methinks.

I have an awesome gaming computer and sometimes after work (a lot of times, actually ;|), I'd rather lay on a couch like a lazy bum and play something simpler, where I won't feel obligated to tweak it (like I do for most of my PC games.)

For that reason, plus some exclusives, I'm leaning towards buying a PS4. I haven't bought a console since GC so I'm not their typical consumer, but I am from an important demographic of a young professional with growing disposable income with less and less free time. In my opinion, this press conference sucked in comparison to Sony's, so I don't think it's just a PC vs. console bias going on. I think it's just MS doing a poor job of marketing, which is a pretty common Microsoft trait.
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Go0g3n
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Russian Federation410 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 20:24:29
May 21 2013 20:22 GMT
#966
Specs look to be about the same as the PS4. Since GDDR5 is not going to give it any advantage at all over the regular DDR3, the only differences are in CPU clock and the X-1 having a Kinect.

I'm more interested what operating system it will be running, i hope it is the regular Windows 8, maybe with a modified interface (could be Win 8 SP1), then I will value it over the PS4 for "obvious" reasons.

Personally, I am going to buy whichever console comes with a built-in SSD.
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
May 21 2013 20:24 GMT
#967
On May 22 2013 05:09 AmorphousPhoenix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 05:06 Klondikebar wrote:
On May 22 2013 05:04 AmorphousPhoenix wrote:
On April 25 2013 17:07 Thorakh wrote:
So, it's basically a computer. I don't get why consoles have been moving towards being more multipurpose lately. Why would I buy a console when for just a few euros more I can get a much more powerful machine that can do everything a console can and infinitely more? They seem to be digging their own graves...

Where are the days of plugging your console in the TV, popping a game in and instantly getting the game loading screen?

And always online! What is fucking wrong with them? Why should a single player game require internet?

Pretty much all that needs to be said about the matter. I don't think I'll ever buy another console as long as I live.


I'd buy a console for Kingdom Hearts 3 or Ni No Kuni 2. But I'm sure as hell gonna wait till they're released before I go dropping money on a console.

So you'd spend hundreds of dollars just to play one video game? Sounds stupid if you ask me. If I was that desperate I'd just borrow the console from one of my idiot and/or well off friends who bought one.

There are hundreds, if not thousands of PC-gamers who spend hundreds of dollars just to be able to play games like Battlefield, Metro, The Witcher or Crysis maxed out.
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
May 21 2013 20:24 GMT
#968
On May 22 2013 05:22 Go0g3n wrote:
Since GDDR5 is not going to give it any advantage at all over the regular DDR3

What?
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 20:25:06
May 21 2013 20:24 GMT
#969
On May 22 2013 05:22 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 05:07 farvacola wrote:
I think everyone ought to keep in mind just how popular "not-computers" are these days. Regardless of capability, there is clearly a large population of consumers willing to shell out extra bucks for things that are like computers and yet somehow different in a key way, whether that be a TV hook up, a tablet design, or a mobile phone template. We, as in TL users, are definitely not the target demographic here methinks.

I have an awesome gaming computer and sometimes after work (a lot of times, actually ;|), I'd rather lay on a couch like a lazy bum and play something simpler, where I won't feel obligated to tweak it (like I do for most of my PC games.)

For that reason, plus some exclusives, I'm leaning towards buying a PS4. I haven't bought a console since GC so I'm not their typical consumer, but I am from an important demographic of a young professional with growing disposable income with less and less free time. In my opinion, this press conference sucked in comparison to Sony's, so I don't think it's just a PC vs. console bias going on.

Same. Since I (like probably most of the people on TL) have a decent gaming PC, the thing that's gonna sway me most to buying a console are exclusive titles. I don't watch enough TV to care about hooking in your cable connection or whatever, and I don't care enough about soccer/football to care about exclusive Fifa content. Microsoft showed almost no games and certainly no new franchises(Forza 5 isn't going to sway me), whereas the PS4 reveal (and the console itself) seem to be much more about games. With that and how Sony is openly asking indie devs if they want/need help to develop on PS4, I think it's pretty clear which system I'm going to buy next gen.
Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
May 21 2013 20:25 GMT
#970
On May 22 2013 05:07 farvacola wrote:
I think everyone ought to keep in mind just how popular "not-computers" are these days. Regardless of capability, there is clearly a large population of consumers willing to shell out extra bucks for things that are like computers and yet somehow different in a key way, whether that be a TV hook up, a tablet design, or a mobile phone template. We, as in TL users, are definitely not the target demographic here methinks.


What I've been asking, though, is who is? How does this differ enough from anything else currently available to justify several hundred dollars, mandatory peripheral purchases, subscription fees, etc? You need to buy a new box to be compatible with their television features, you still need a cable sub anyway, it's not portable, it doesn't beat the ease of use of a smart phone, laptop, or PC for web browsing, every other device already has the services apps (things like Netflix, Hulu+, etc) that might be a big hook, including the 360. They even talk about Smart Glass as being a feature of their platform that interacts with your tablet or smart phone?

This audience that has a cable subscription, no cable box, a smart phone (but are unwilling to use it to replicate the functionality of their new services), and enough disposable income to pay for a $300+ dollar new device, god knows how much for a compatible box, and a gold subscription (assuming they don't already have one, but if they do, then they have a 360, in which case - again - what motivation is their to not stick with their 360?)....does this audience exist?

If they want to target a new demographic, that's fine. But this conference alienated people who are interested in gaming, and I'm struggling to figure out what they're offering to people who aren't interested in gaming that they don't already have.

That's what I'm still not grasping. Aside from the voice activated remote control functions, what is the angle that makes this worth buying to people who aren't looking to buy a gaming console?

I would assume that my sister and her family would fall within the ideal audience for this presentation. None of them do much gaming. My niece plays Kinectimals sometimes, and my brother-in-law plays CoD for about an hour a week. They have Comcast cable and Netflix, and they all have iPhones and laptops (aside from my niece). I sent a write-up of the conference to my sister and asked her what she thought. She asked me how much and I told her "expect it to be at least $300, with a strong possibility of a small monthly fee," and her next words were, "But why would I pay for all this stuff I already have?"

Anecdotal, sure, but am I wrong in assuming that she *should* be the target audience based on the presentation?
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 20:26:51
May 21 2013 20:26 GMT
#971
I just saw the Killzone Shadow Fall gameplay demo at the PS4 reveal. Now THAT is how you show off a game and a console. Makes the Killzone franchise actually seem good (tho I enjoyed the 1st one).

Start at 48:00min in this video

Go0g3n
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Russian Federation410 Posts
May 21 2013 20:26 GMT
#972
On May 22 2013 05:24 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 05:22 Go0g3n wrote:
Since GDDR5 is not going to give it any advantage at all over the regular DDR3

What?


DDR3 is fast enough to process anything lag and delay free, you will never notice any difference.
Anomarad
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada565 Posts
May 21 2013 20:30 GMT
#973
On May 22 2013 05:22 Go0g3n wrote:
Specs look to be about the same as the PS4. Since GDDR5 is not going to give it any advantage at all over the regular DDR3, the only differences are in CPU clock and the X-1 having a Kinect.

I'm more interested what operating system it will be running, i hope it is the regular Windows 8, maybe with a modified interface (could be Win 8 SP1), then I will value it over the PS4 for "obvious" reasons.

Personally, I am going to buy whichever console comes with a built-in SSD.


Uh what? You think GDDR5 is just for loading levels? It's unified architecture. There's a big difference.
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
May 21 2013 20:30 GMT
#974
On May 22 2013 05:26 Go0g3n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 05:24 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 22 2013 05:22 Go0g3n wrote:
Since GDDR5 is not going to give it any advantage at all over the regular DDR3

What?


DDR3 is fast enough to process anything lag and delay free, you will never notice any difference.

Graphics cards use GDDR because using DDR would make them fucking terrible.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
May 21 2013 20:30 GMT
#975
On May 22 2013 05:26 Go0g3n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 05:24 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 22 2013 05:22 Go0g3n wrote:
Since GDDR5 is not going to give it any advantage at all over the regular DDR3

What?


DDR3 is fast enough to process anything lag and delay free, you will never notice any difference.


Yeah, and who needs CPU cache. Just use DDR3 RAM, right?
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Soulstice
Profile Joined December 2011
United States288 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 20:41:04
May 21 2013 20:31 GMT
#976
woohoo the pc ive had for well over a year specs much higher than this. i cannot believe these (ps & xbox) watered down PC's are going to sell...
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s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 20:39:26
May 21 2013 20:35 GMT
#977
On May 22 2013 05:25 Scribble wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 05:07 farvacola wrote:
I think everyone ought to keep in mind just how popular "not-computers" are these days. Regardless of capability, there is clearly a large population of consumers willing to shell out extra bucks for things that are like computers and yet somehow different in a key way, whether that be a TV hook up, a tablet design, or a mobile phone template. We, as in TL users, are definitely not the target demographic here methinks.


What I've been asking, though, is who is? How does this differ enough from anything else currently available to justify several hundred dollars, mandatory peripheral purchases, subscription fees, etc? You need to buy a new box to be compatible with their television features, you still need a cable sub anyway, it's not portable, it doesn't beat the ease of use of a smart phone, laptop, or PC for web browsing, every other device already has the services apps (things like Netflix, Hulu+, etc) that might be a big hook, including the 360. They even talk about Smart Glass as being a feature of their platform that interacts with your tablet or smart phone?

This audience that has a cable subscription, no cable box, a smart phone (but are unwilling to use it to replicate the functionality of their new services), and enough disposable income to pay for a $300+ dollar new device, god knows how much for a compatible box, and a gold subscription (assuming they don't already have one, but if they do, then they have a 360, in which case - again - what motivation is their to not stick with their 360?)....does this audience exist?

If they want to target a new demographic, that's fine. But this conference alienated people who are interested in gaming, and I'm struggling to figure out what they're offering to people who aren't interested in gaming that they don't already have.

That's what I'm still not grasping. Aside from the voice activated remote control functions, what is the angle that makes this worth buying to people who aren't looking to buy a gaming console?

I would assume that my sister and her family would fall within the ideal audience for this presentation. None of them do much gaming. My niece plays Kinectimals sometimes, and my brother-in-law plays CoD for about an hour a week. They have Comcast cable and Netflix, and they all have iPhones and laptops (aside from my niece). I sent a write-up of the conference to my sister and asked her what she thought. She asked me how much and I told her "expect it to be at least $300, with a strong possibility of a small monthly fee," and her next words were, "But why would I pay for all this stuff I already have?"

Anecdotal, sure, but am I wrong in assuming that she *should* be the target audience based on the presentation?


This is pretty much exactly how i feel. Microsoft kind of alienates the people that primarly spend their money for entertainment into gaming ( like me ) to try target a wider audience . Problem is is that audience willing to buy a new and probably not very cheap system that doesn't bring much stuff their old doesn't already ? Thats a pretty big gamble. It's not like the core gamer audience is a given for them.
Mistakes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1105 Posts
May 21 2013 20:41 GMT
#978
On May 22 2013 05:24 maartendq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 05:09 AmorphousPhoenix wrote:
On May 22 2013 05:06 Klondikebar wrote:
On May 22 2013 05:04 AmorphousPhoenix wrote:
On April 25 2013 17:07 Thorakh wrote:
So, it's basically a computer. I don't get why consoles have been moving towards being more multipurpose lately. Why would I buy a console when for just a few euros more I can get a much more powerful machine that can do everything a console can and infinitely more? They seem to be digging their own graves...

Where are the days of plugging your console in the TV, popping a game in and instantly getting the game loading screen?

And always online! What is fucking wrong with them? Why should a single player game require internet?

Pretty much all that needs to be said about the matter. I don't think I'll ever buy another console as long as I live.


I'd buy a console for Kingdom Hearts 3 or Ni No Kuni 2. But I'm sure as hell gonna wait till they're released before I go dropping money on a console.

So you'd spend hundreds of dollars just to play one video game? Sounds stupid if you ask me. If I was that desperate I'd just borrow the console from one of my idiot and/or well off friends who bought one.

There are hundreds, if not thousands of PC-gamers who spend hundreds of dollars just to be able to play games like Battlefield, Metro, The Witcher or Crysis maxed out.


I spent ~ $1700 pre-SC2: WoL release, just for that. Granted I play other things on it now, but I really only built my computer for SC2.
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 20:43:06
May 21 2013 20:41 GMT
#979
so many pc gamers hate consoles with all their might
calm down guys, there are certain things that pc's can't please
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Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
May 21 2013 20:45 GMT
#980
On May 22 2013 05:41 jinorazi wrote:
so many pc gamers hate consoles with all their might
calm down guys, there are certain things that pc's can't please

It's the consoles' crap hardware leading to crap ports that's annoying, not the consoles per se. That and their exclusivity bullshit.
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