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Go0g3n
Russian Federation410 Posts
On May 22 2013 05:30 Yaotzin wrote: Graphics cards use GDDR because using DDR would make them fucking terrible. We're not talking about the regular DDR3 here, they are goign to use GDDR3, as they did on 360. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On May 22 2013 05:45 Yaotzin wrote: It's the consoles' crap hardware leading to crap ports that's annoying, not the consoles per se. That and their exclusivity bullshit. i dont think consoles being $1000+ just to keep pc gamers happy is the correct way either. there's exclusivity for both ends i think. | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On May 22 2013 05:26 Go0g3n wrote: DDR3 is fast enough to process anything lag and delay free, you will never notice any difference. Please stop talking since you understand nothing about the computer architecture if you think the GDDR5 in the PS4 isn't a huge achievement. If you're talking about the DDR3 on the XBOX One, it's pretty clear these are completely two different memory systems and you should not be comparing them. Interesting they didn't go with the unified memory as well... I'm with Jibba. I'm in the emerging market where I have money, and I have a gaming computer that can play all the PC games I want. But sometimes, I would rather step away from the computer and just play some games or mindlessly watch some TV for a bit. Consoles are enticing because of all the exclusive games that I've missed over the years (Halo, etc.), which puts me into a bind about whether I want to build a dedicated PC just to game on the TV. Hard to say, but I'm heavily leaning towards buying a PS3 and an XBOX One/PS4 depending on what shows up at E3. But I'm already heavily integrated with Microsoft already (desktops, laptop, phone), so I see this integration and think "cool", if they can pull it off. I'm a bit hesitant it'll be pulled off this generation because of how slowly my phone is being adopted, but I can definitely see how this is much more interesting for people like me who have disposable income, and don't have that the time to sit down and play games. I can see it being really cool if they integrate the fantasy leagues for hockey (not sure if they'll do that), but I can also definitely see contributing the the XBOX One App development (if that's even possible) to put in some features I would like to integrate my home systems. | ||
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
On May 22 2013 04:47 Crownlol wrote: Shared is worse, but there's no way the PS4 is going to use a shared GPU. Both systems will have dedicated GPUs. The information that has been presented leads people to believe it will be shared memory on the PS4. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-22-ps4-pc-like-architecture-8gb-ram-delight-developers | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
So the new Xbox = a shitty and less optimized computer? IDK why we are literally turning every device into a wanna be computer. I have a smart tv, with a smart blue ray player, with a smart console? Ill have 3 shitty wanna-be computers, along with my computer that also connects to my tv..? I dont know why Microsoft thinks adding these things brings anything to the new console...Except now ill also need to pay a monthly fee to use my Xbox as a terrible computer...? Looks like im switching back to Playstation for the next Gen of consoles... I seriously HATE the direction of this industry atm. Sell a game for 60$. Sell another part of the game for 10$. Sell the next part for 10$ And the next DLC for another 10. How about we just do business the old way... I pay $60, you give me the game. Not part of it. Not half of it. Not a piece of it. Give me the entire fucking game. I dont go to a restaurant... "I want a cheeseburger" Ok thats 10$. O did you want the meat? Thats another 3$. Cheese? Ok another 3$. Ketchup? $1.50 cause were not unreasonable. | ||
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Deleted User 124618
1142 Posts
- PS online system seems to be more value for money than Xbox Live - Sony seems to be very friendly and supportive of game devs, I like this a lot. And devs like PS4. - I haven't liked recent history MS decisions. Windows 8 and its windows apps as an example. I understand the tablet aspect but I hate that "windows apps" are a closed ecosystem that can only go trough store. - I have this itchy feeling about where Xbox is going with the live -system. I don't like the itchy feeling. - This far Xbox One exclusives haven't impressed me at all. On other hand next gen Final Fantasy -game could be a system-seller for me, if they play cards right But console releases are half a year off and it'll be at least 2+ years or so until I will even consider a next gen console, unless there are some very juicy exclusives. | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On May 22 2013 05:50 jinorazi wrote: i dont think consoles being $1000+ just to keep pc gamers happy is the correct way either. there's exclusivity for both ends i think. They don't need to be, they were just poorly designed this (last?) gen - far too little memory. This generation looks much better, and should mean much better ports without ugly ass textures. The poor design of the current consoles is illustrated by, even now, many games have texture pop-in. On exclusivity, I don't think there are any PC games that aren't exclusive simply because they don't work on a console controlled - such as Starcraft. Or because the dev can't afford to port it or somesuch.. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On May 22 2013 05:41 jinorazi wrote: so many pc gamers hate consoles with all their might calm down guys, there are certain things that pc's can't please I get the cheaper cost, more "plug-n-play" and exclusive titles. What else? | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On May 22 2013 05:50 Go0g3n wrote: We're not talking about the regular DDR3 here, they are goign to use GDDR3, as they did on 360. If the memory isnt shared they wont use GDDR3 for the xbox1. The x360 uses 512mb of SHARED GDDR3 for both the GPU and the CPU. If it is a 64 bit architecture, it will be regular DDR3 because I am pretty sure nothing out there works with GDDR3 + 64 bit since GDDR memory is 32bit based. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On May 22 2013 05:55 gruff wrote: I get the cheaper cost, more "plug-n-play" and exclusive titles. What else? most basic thing would be playing with friends, in real life not online. me personally, i play fighting games and sports games often with friends...that wont be viable with pc. plus, JRPG  | ||
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Glenn313
United States475 Posts
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On May 22 2013 05:50 jinorazi wrote: i dont think consoles being $1000+ just to keep pc gamers happy is the correct way either. there's exclusivity for both ends i think. If the new gen consoles had come out a few years ago this wouldn't be much of an issue. The problem isn't that consoles can't compete with high end pc's (it's stupid to expect them to) but that they've been stretching the technological limit of the current generation so far it's clearly effected the pc games negatively for quite some time now. | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
It's promising for more ports/less exclusivity though, as more than ever both these consoles are terribly close to being out the box PCs. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On May 22 2013 05:50 Go0g3n wrote: We're not talking about the regular DDR3 here, they are goign to use GDDR3, as they did on 360. GDDR3 is an old technology based on DDR2 RAM. GDDR3 would be a step backward. | ||
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Kenthros
United States95 Posts
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DaMuffinman
Germany1705 Posts
On May 22 2013 05:59 Ercster wrote: One thing to note is that there have been rumors floating that the games for Xbox One will be playable on Win8 PC. While this hasn't been confirmed afaik, it can change what consoles people choose to buy since they can play Xbox exclusives on PC. Ooooooooooooooh that would be so sexy. Would I need to buy an XBox to play on PC? Or will they be released on PC and XBox One? I would love to play Forza, but I am not seeing buying a console for it. + My wheel is for PS and PC ....^^ | ||
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Michaels
419 Posts
On May 22 2013 05:55 gruff wrote: I get the cheaper cost, more "plug-n-play" and exclusive titles. What else? red dead redemption | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On May 22 2013 05:59 Ercster wrote: One thing to note is that there have been rumors floating that the games for Xbox One will be playable on Win8 PC. While this hasn't been confirmed afaik, it can change what consoles people choose to buy since they can play Xbox exclusives on PC. Out of the box, that is incredibly unlikely. But given how similar the xbox will be to a modern windows pc (x86, same kernel, directx etc.), porting games between the two platforms should be a trivial matter. | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On May 22 2013 06:00 gruff wrote: If the new gen consoles had come out a few years ago this wouldn't be much of an issue. The problem isn't that consoles can't compete with high end pc's (it's stupid to expect them to) but that they've been stretching the technological limit of the current generation so far it's clearly effected the pc games negatively for quite some time now. The PS4 is supposed to be able to compete with PCs for the next couple of years because of the unified memory. However, in general you can achieve much, much better optimization with a console versus a PC, and that's how they've seemed to look better slowly and slowly as time went on. You might be talking about how this is making developer's care less about PC optimization so that PC games are fairly shoddy in comparison unless there's some special focus on that. Or you could be talking about how the "quality bar" is set at the console level, so PC game makers don't really try to push anything beyond that since that's the bar they're reaching for. I guess that's probably a bit true, but I honestly think it's more that PC game makers just have a hard time doing so because of how annoying it is to deal with compatibility as well as AMD v. Nvidia optimizations so they just don't do it for PCs, and do it more for consoles. | ||
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