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On June 13 2013 18:45 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 18:40 Infernal_dream wrote:On June 13 2013 17:55 semantics wrote:On June 13 2013 17:47 Foblos wrote:On June 13 2013 17:34 takingbackoj wrote:On June 13 2013 17:01 Foblos wrote:
Did you guys hear what the developers of Contrast said? The game will be available for all platforms including the 360 except for the Xbox One and when asked specifically "Will you support the Xbox One?" they replied "We're independent." When developers are barely veiling their hate for your console you know you've done something wrong. What is contrast? And what does their comment have to do with barely veiled hate? If they wanted to boycott MS then they wouldn't have put the game on a 360. And again, what is Contrast? Contrast is a game in development by an indie game studio. I'll let you google to find out the details and gameplay and whatnot. When they refused to support the One, even though they are supporting every other major platform they are saying that independant developers and the One do not go together. It wasn't a boycot of Micro$oft, it was a boycot of the One. They will be available on the 360 and the PC, just not the DRM console of the future and they used terminology that expresses their boycott. Google the interview. It was with Terra Long. All consoles have and support DRM lol DRM started with nintendo and the NES... Oh the nes has drm? I wasn't aware. So all these games I've been collecting from garage sales and things won't work? Because that doesn't seem to be the case. However if I pick up an xbox one game from a garage sale it won't work. That does seem to be the case. No, consoles don't support DRM otherwise they'd make it mandatory. No the NES, nor any other console to date had DRM. Publishers had "season pass" DRM that sony is actually saying they're not allowed to do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10NESAll modern consoles have anti piracy chips in them/Anti non-royalty paying games. Thus DRM.
There is a massive difference in the scope of DRM between the xbox one and the wiki article you linked at. Modern consoles do their best to prevent pirated games, and yeah, that is DRM. The Xbox One prevents the entire thing by not allowing you to play used games at all and by forcing you to validate your purchase online within 24 hours of the first time you try to play the game. That is a whole different level of DRM and many consumers are finding it to be incredibly unacceptable.
Under this current model if my xbl account is hacked not only do I have a hard time recovering my gamercard/score, and might not be able to at all, but every game linked to my account is lost. That seems totally okay, right?
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On June 13 2013 18:45 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 18:40 Infernal_dream wrote:On June 13 2013 17:55 semantics wrote:On June 13 2013 17:47 Foblos wrote:On June 13 2013 17:34 takingbackoj wrote:On June 13 2013 17:01 Foblos wrote:
Did you guys hear what the developers of Contrast said? The game will be available for all platforms including the 360 except for the Xbox One and when asked specifically "Will you support the Xbox One?" they replied "We're independent." When developers are barely veiling their hate for your console you know you've done something wrong. What is contrast? And what does their comment have to do with barely veiled hate? If they wanted to boycott MS then they wouldn't have put the game on a 360. And again, what is Contrast? Contrast is a game in development by an indie game studio. I'll let you google to find out the details and gameplay and whatnot. When they refused to support the One, even though they are supporting every other major platform they are saying that independant developers and the One do not go together. It wasn't a boycot of Micro$oft, it was a boycot of the One. They will be available on the 360 and the PC, just not the DRM console of the future and they used terminology that expresses their boycott. Google the interview. It was with Terra Long. All consoles have and support DRM lol DRM started with nintendo and the NES... Oh the nes has drm? I wasn't aware. So all these games I've been collecting from garage sales and things won't work? Because that doesn't seem to be the case. However if I pick up an xbox one game from a garage sale it won't work. That does seem to be the case. No, consoles don't support DRM otherwise they'd make it mandatory. No the NES, nor any other console to date had DRM. Publishers had "season pass" DRM that sony is actually saying they're not allowed to do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10NESAll modern consoles have anti piracy chips in them/Anti non-royalty paying games. Thus DRM. Along with chips for region lockout. Again DRM btw both ps3 and xbox360 have region lock but it's rarely used because it's left to the developers to use it it's not a must use. Although region lock still occurs to some extent with multiplayer and DLC which is probably just confects with laws in some area's and digital purchase.
"The 10NES chip was only installed in the model NES-001 Control Deck, not the model NES-101." I dont know of anybody that even had this version of the console.
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For myself, I am incredibly disappointed with Microsoft. There just seems to be a clear distinction between the reality Microsoft sees and the reality us gamers. I am not sure if they are simply in denial or just too stubborn to realize their faults. I think what truly set me off was the quote that many have already seen from Don Mattrick, "Some of the advantages that you get, of having, a box that is designed to use an online state, so, that, uh, to me is the future-proof choice, and I think people, could've arguably gone the other way if we didn't do it and fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called Xbox 360."
When I watched that interview, I felt disgusted. Sorry but the Chief of Xbox should not be saying crap like that. Microsoft is already having a PR nightmare and we get comments like that... it is sickening.
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Well, I am on the side of waiting it out for now.
Again, as I've stated with my previous post, the only beef I have with the XBone is the checkin every 24 hours. If they just simply modify that into syncing with XBoxLive whenever there is connectivity to check for updates and maybe the "current" game library on the hardware, I think that is fine.
It will be an antipiracy measure that is in place but is not too restrictive. I mean, the games are already on blue ray if they come via disc right? So have pirating PS3 games which are on blueray tech that profilic now? It's not rampant where I am, heck, I don't even know if there are pirated ps3 games where I am.
I'm okay with the checking when I have connection with the device every 24 hours. If the device doesn't have connectivity, then it just waits for when I have it again. I mean, that's at least a good option right for gamers and publishers?
I guess one way or just preventing malicious abusive behavior of multiple installs of a game disc is simply to do the check if multiple copies exist when the device gets a connection. If multiple instances do exist for said game, then the game is blocked from your account and the other instances are as well because of a violation. This would prevent the malicious behavior to a certain degree, unless of course the console is offline for the whole of its shelf life but I think that market is quite limited anyway and you still are able to reach legitimate clientelle who do buy the game but are offline, either stationed on areas outside coverage of internet or just crappy internet altogether. If the original owner who wants to lend the disc to his friend, then he has to uninstall the game and unregister it from his xboxlive account right?
I am not pro sony or microsoft here but if you look at the big picture, the console war is going that direction so the only real thing we want to avoid is abusive developers/publishers because think about it. If only sony is left for the Hardcore gamer, whats to stop the "PS5" from evolving to the very crap we are all hating on/against? The PS+ is already in place and it slowly exposing you more and more to the sony ecosystem. It is a simple fact and should be obvious to anyone who has used an iphone especially when it all began. Once you are tied to the ecosystem, it is hard to leave that ecosystem especially if you have a lot invested in it (financially in terms of software and hardware).
So I would just like to say, don't simply kill the thought of the XBone but rather wait til release and just get your point across that there are options MS can pursue that protects both consumer (via the digital storage of their bought game) and the publishers (via limiting piracy of their titles) while the device is not yet out and they still have time to salvage the situation.
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On June 13 2013 20:03 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Well, I am on the side of waiting it out for now.
Again, as I've stated with my previous post, the only beef I have with the XBone is the checkin every 24 hours. If they just simply modify that into syncing with XBoxLive whenever there is connectivity to check for updates and maybe the "current" game library on the hardware, I think that is fine.
It will be an antipiracy measure that is in place but is not too restrictive. I mean, the games are already on blue ray if they come via disc right? So have pirating PS3 games which are on blueray tech that profilic now? It's not rampant where I am, heck, I don't even know if there are pirated ps3 games where I am.
I'm okay with the checking when I have connection with the device every 24 hours. If the device doesn't have connectivity, then it just waits for when I have it again. I mean, that's at least a good option right for gamers and publishers?
I guess one way or just preventing malicious abusive behavior of multiple installs of a game disc is simply to do the check if multiple copies exist when the device gets a connection. If multiple instances do exist for said game, then the game is blocked from your account and the other instances are as well because of a violation. This would prevent the malicious behavior to a certain degree, unless of course the console is offline for the whole of its shelf life but I think that market is quite limited anyway and you still are able to reach legitimate clientelle who do buy the game but are offline, either stationed on areas outside coverage of internet or just crappy internet altogether. If the original owner who wants to lend the disc to his friend, then he has to uninstall the game and unregister it from his xboxlive account right?
I am not pro sony or microsoft here but if you look at the big picture, the console war is going that direction so the only real thing we want to avoid is abusive developers/publishers because think about it. If only sony is left for the Hardcore gamer, whats to stop the "PS5" from evolving to the very crap we are all hating on/against? The PS+ is already in place and it slowly exposing you more and more to the sony ecosystem. It is a simple fact and should be obvious to anyone who has used an iphone especially when it all began. Once you are tied to the ecosystem, it is hard to leave that ecosystem especially if you have a lot invested in it (financially in terms of software and hardware).
So I would just like to say, don't simply kill the thought of the XBone but rather wait til release and just get your point across that there are options MS can pursue that protects both consumer (via the digital storage of their bought game) and the publishers (via limiting piracy of their titles) while the device is not yet out and they still have time to salvage the situation.
Microsoft seems to stick with their ideals even after all the outburst of flame.
Now it comes down to the pricing of PS4 and XBONE games which are still unannounced.
It's always the best to waiting it out before you buy a product.
Like a couple of months or even a year just to see how the system develop or what not.
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On June 13 2013 20:14 FakeDeath wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2013 20:03 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Well, I am on the side of waiting it out for now.
Again, as I've stated with my previous post, the only beef I have with the XBone is the checkin every 24 hours. If they just simply modify that into syncing with XBoxLive whenever there is connectivity to check for updates and maybe the "current" game library on the hardware, I think that is fine.
It will be an antipiracy measure that is in place but is not too restrictive. I mean, the games are already on blue ray if they come via disc right? So have pirating PS3 games which are on blueray tech that profilic now? It's not rampant where I am, heck, I don't even know if there are pirated ps3 games where I am.
I'm okay with the checking when I have connection with the device every 24 hours. If the device doesn't have connectivity, then it just waits for when I have it again. I mean, that's at least a good option right for gamers and publishers?
I guess one way or just preventing malicious abusive behavior of multiple installs of a game disc is simply to do the check if multiple copies exist when the device gets a connection. If multiple instances do exist for said game, then the game is blocked from your account and the other instances are as well because of a violation. This would prevent the malicious behavior to a certain degree, unless of course the console is offline for the whole of its shelf life but I think that market is quite limited anyway and you still are able to reach legitimate clientelle who do buy the game but are offline, either stationed on areas outside coverage of internet or just crappy internet altogether. If the original owner who wants to lend the disc to his friend, then he has to uninstall the game and unregister it from his xboxlive account right?
I am not pro sony or microsoft here but if you look at the big picture, the console war is going that direction so the only real thing we want to avoid is abusive developers/publishers because think about it. If only sony is left for the Hardcore gamer, whats to stop the "PS5" from evolving to the very crap we are all hating on/against? The PS+ is already in place and it slowly exposing you more and more to the sony ecosystem. It is a simple fact and should be obvious to anyone who has used an iphone especially when it all began. Once you are tied to the ecosystem, it is hard to leave that ecosystem especially if you have a lot invested in it (financially in terms of software and hardware).
So I would just like to say, don't simply kill the thought of the XBone but rather wait til release and just get your point across that there are options MS can pursue that protects both consumer (via the digital storage of their bought game) and the publishers (via limiting piracy of their titles) while the device is not yet out and they still have time to salvage the situation. Microsoft seems to stick with their ideals even after all the outburst of flame. Now it comes down to the pricing of PS4 and XBONE games which are still unannounced. It's always the best to waiting it out before you buy a product. Like a couple of months or even a year just to see how the system develop or what not.
Not much choice there since the Ps4 is essentially sold out right now (preorder wise) and Xbox One should be as well, or at least will be soon.
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On June 13 2013 20:03 17Sphynx17 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, I am on the side of waiting it out for now.
Again, as I've stated with my previous post, the only beef I have with the XBone is the checkin every 24 hours. If they just simply modify that into syncing with XBoxLive whenever there is connectivity to check for updates and maybe the "current" game library on the hardware, I think that is fine.
It will be an antipiracy measure that is in place but is not too restrictive. I mean, the games are already on blue ray if they come via disc right? So have pirating PS3 games which are on blueray tech that profilic now? It's not rampant where I am, heck, I don't even know if there are pirated ps3 games where I am. + Show Spoiler +
I'm okay with the checking when I have connection with the device every 24 hours. If the device doesn't have connectivity, then it just waits for when I have it again. I mean, that's at least a good option right for gamers and publishers?
I guess one way or just preventing malicious abusive behavior of multiple installs of a game disc is simply to do the check if multiple copies exist when the device gets a connection. If multiple instances do exist for said game, then the game is blocked from your account and the other instances are as well because of a violation. This would prevent the malicious behavior to a certain degree, unless of course the console is offline for the whole of its shelf life but I think that market is quite limited anyway and you still are able to reach legitimate clientelle who do buy the game but are offline, either stationed on areas outside coverage of internet or just crappy internet altogether. If the original owner who wants to lend the disc to his friend, then he has to uninstall the game and unregister it from his xboxlive account right?
I am not pro sony or microsoft here but if you look at the big picture, the console war is going that direction so the only real thing we want to avoid is abusive developers/publishers because think about it. If only sony is left for the Hardcore gamer, whats to stop the "PS5" from evolving to the very crap we are all hating on/against? The PS+ is already in place and it slowly exposing you more and more to the sony ecosystem. It is a simple fact and should be obvious to anyone who has used an iphone especially when it all began. Once you are tied to the ecosystem, it is hard to leave that ecosystem especially if you have a lot invested in it (financially in terms of software and hardware).
So I would just like to say, don't simply kill the thought of the XBone but rather wait til release and just get your point across that there are options MS can pursue that protects both consumer (via the digital storage of their bought game) and the publishers (via limiting piracy of their titles) while the device is not yet out and they still have time to salvage the situation.
Don't need to burn disks when you have softmod or hardmod a console that already can connect to external hard drives. You just load up games onto an external hard drive and play games off the hard drive you don't ever need to use disks if you're a pirate.
On June 13 2013 19:03 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 18:45 semantics wrote:On June 13 2013 18:40 Infernal_dream wrote:On June 13 2013 17:55 semantics wrote:On June 13 2013 17:47 Foblos wrote:On June 13 2013 17:34 takingbackoj wrote:On June 13 2013 17:01 Foblos wrote:
Did you guys hear what the developers of Contrast said? The game will be available for all platforms including the 360 except for the Xbox One and when asked specifically "Will you support the Xbox One?" they replied "We're independent." When developers are barely veiling their hate for your console you know you've done something wrong. What is contrast? And what does their comment have to do with barely veiled hate? If they wanted to boycott MS then they wouldn't have put the game on a 360. And again, what is Contrast? Contrast is a game in development by an indie game studio. I'll let you google to find out the details and gameplay and whatnot. When they refused to support the One, even though they are supporting every other major platform they are saying that independant developers and the One do not go together. It wasn't a boycot of Micro$oft, it was a boycot of the One. They will be available on the 360 and the PC, just not the DRM console of the future and they used terminology that expresses their boycott. Google the interview. It was with Terra Long. All consoles have and support DRM lol DRM started with nintendo and the NES... Oh the nes has drm? I wasn't aware. So all these games I've been collecting from garage sales and things won't work? Because that doesn't seem to be the case. However if I pick up an xbox one game from a garage sale it won't work. That does seem to be the case. No, consoles don't support DRM otherwise they'd make it mandatory. No the NES, nor any other console to date had DRM. Publishers had "season pass" DRM that sony is actually saying they're not allowed to do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10NESAll modern consoles have anti piracy chips in them/Anti non-royalty paying games. Thus DRM. Along with chips for region lockout. Again DRM btw both ps3 and xbox360 have region lock but it's rarely used because it's left to the developers to use it it's not a must use. Although region lock still occurs to some extent with multiplayer and DLC which is probably just confects with laws in some area's and digital purchase. "The 10NES chip was only installed in the model NES-001 Control Deck, not the model NES-101." I dont know of anybody that even had this version of the console.
You see people with NES-101's AVGN has one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Entertainment_System_(Model_NES-101)
Most people used an NES with a 10NES chip in it because that's the original model. Although i don't think the famicon has the chip but w.e
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On June 13 2013 20:30 semantics wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2013 20:03 17Sphynx17 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, I am on the side of waiting it out for now.
Again, as I've stated with my previous post, the only beef I have with the XBone is the checkin every 24 hours. If they just simply modify that into syncing with XBoxLive whenever there is connectivity to check for updates and maybe the "current" game library on the hardware, I think that is fine.
It will be an antipiracy measure that is in place but is not too restrictive. I mean, the games are already on blue ray if they come via disc right? So have pirating PS3 games which are on blueray tech that profilic now? It's not rampant where I am, heck, I don't even know if there are pirated ps3 games where I am. + Show Spoiler +
I'm okay with the checking when I have connection with the device every 24 hours. If the device doesn't have connectivity, then it just waits for when I have it again. I mean, that's at least a good option right for gamers and publishers?
I guess one way or just preventing malicious abusive behavior of multiple installs of a game disc is simply to do the check if multiple copies exist when the device gets a connection. If multiple instances do exist for said game, then the game is blocked from your account and the other instances are as well because of a violation. This would prevent the malicious behavior to a certain degree, unless of course the console is offline for the whole of its shelf life but I think that market is quite limited anyway and you still are able to reach legitimate clientelle who do buy the game but are offline, either stationed on areas outside coverage of internet or just crappy internet altogether. If the original owner who wants to lend the disc to his friend, then he has to uninstall the game and unregister it from his xboxlive account right?
I am not pro sony or microsoft here but if you look at the big picture, the console war is going that direction so the only real thing we want to avoid is abusive developers/publishers because think about it. If only sony is left for the Hardcore gamer, whats to stop the "PS5" from evolving to the very crap we are all hating on/against? The PS+ is already in place and it slowly exposing you more and more to the sony ecosystem. It is a simple fact and should be obvious to anyone who has used an iphone especially when it all began. Once you are tied to the ecosystem, it is hard to leave that ecosystem especially if you have a lot invested in it (financially in terms of software and hardware).
So I would just like to say, don't simply kill the thought of the XBone but rather wait til release and just get your point across that there are options MS can pursue that protects both consumer (via the digital storage of their bought game) and the publishers (via limiting piracy of their titles) while the device is not yet out and they still have time to salvage the situation.
Don't need to burn disks when you have softmod or hardmod a console that already can connect to external hard drives. You just load up games onto an external hard drive and play games off the hard drive you don't ever need to use disks if you're a pirate. + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2013 19:03 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 18:45 semantics wrote:On June 13 2013 18:40 Infernal_dream wrote:On June 13 2013 17:55 semantics wrote:On June 13 2013 17:47 Foblos wrote:On June 13 2013 17:34 takingbackoj wrote:On June 13 2013 17:01 Foblos wrote:
Did you guys hear what the developers of Contrast said? The game will be available for all platforms including the 360 except for the Xbox One and when asked specifically "Will you support the Xbox One?" they replied "We're independent." When developers are barely veiling their hate for your console you know you've done something wrong. What is contrast? And what does their comment have to do with barely veiled hate? If they wanted to boycott MS then they wouldn't have put the game on a 360. And again, what is Contrast? Contrast is a game in development by an indie game studio. I'll let you google to find out the details and gameplay and whatnot. When they refused to support the One, even though they are supporting every other major platform they are saying that independant developers and the One do not go together. It wasn't a boycot of Micro$oft, it was a boycot of the One. They will be available on the 360 and the PC, just not the DRM console of the future and they used terminology that expresses their boycott. Google the interview. It was with Terra Long. All consoles have and support DRM lol DRM started with nintendo and the NES... Oh the nes has drm? I wasn't aware. So all these games I've been collecting from garage sales and things won't work? Because that doesn't seem to be the case. However if I pick up an xbox one game from a garage sale it won't work. That does seem to be the case. No, consoles don't support DRM otherwise they'd make it mandatory. No the NES, nor any other console to date had DRM. Publishers had "season pass" DRM that sony is actually saying they're not allowed to do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10NESAll modern consoles have anti piracy chips in them/Anti non-royalty paying games. Thus DRM. Along with chips for region lockout. Again DRM btw both ps3 and xbox360 have region lock but it's rarely used because it's left to the developers to use it it's not a must use. Although region lock still occurs to some extent with multiplayer and DLC which is probably just confects with laws in some area's and digital purchase. "The 10NES chip was only installed in the model NES-001 Control Deck, not the model NES-101." I dont know of anybody that even had this version of the console. You see people with NES-101's AVGN has one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Entertainment_System_(Model_NES-101)Most people used an NES with a 10NES chip in it because that's the original model. Although i don't think the famicon has the chip but w.e
I see. Well, if that's the case, then I am okay with the "checking of legitimacy" of the software when it has a connection. When it doesn't, well, no way to know if they've already bypassed the hardware restrictions on that. Just remove checkin as a requirement since you can lose the connection and it should be fine. I don't know the penalty though if you are caught with a pirated game. But I would understand if there is a penalty as long as it is not bricking the whole console which would be stupid to say the least. Like require you purchase the game online or inserting the actual legit disc into the drive that is unregistered to other accounts. =)
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What I would like to see one of these consoles do is open up the digital sales market. Let people link their gamertag or whatever to digital outlets and let gamers choose where they buy their games from online. I think that's the greatest achievement of Steam, creating this entire market that has not only served them well but served everyone (except perhaps brick and mortar). Especially the consumer.
The truth is for all they profess to want to be like Steam, they don't want you buying digital games from anywhere but themselves. They want one store, their own. And they don't want competitive prices. That is not what Steam has ever been about, Steam is about making you want to buy from them, not forcing you to.
If we consider used game sales an outside factor that hurts profits, then we can lump it in with piracy for argument's sake. Steam doesn't stop piracy, it doesn't even really try. PC in general has rapidly moved away from restrictive DRM and PC game sales are significantly higher as a result.
To me the Xbox One doesn't look like an attempt to emulate Steam. It looks much more like Origin. Not that any other console in this generation so far is any different.
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Ehh I'm not hating it. They did fuck up though. Probably gonna buy ps4 if I'm gonna buy one of them
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http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/12/gamers-without-internet-can-stick-with-xbox-360-says-microsoft
Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity it's called xbox 360.
- Don Mattrick, E3 2013
Are you serious right now microsoft.
pls stop this. My internet was just out for 3 days because of a major thunderstorm in my area and it will regularly be going out for sometimes days at a time during this coming summer of storms and it will happen as long as I live in Florida until the day I die or until lightning storms stop existing routers stop blowing up.
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On June 13 2013 20:30 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 20:03 17Sphynx17 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, I am on the side of waiting it out for now.
Again, as I've stated with my previous post, the only beef I have with the XBone is the checkin every 24 hours. If they just simply modify that into syncing with XBoxLive whenever there is connectivity to check for updates and maybe the "current" game library on the hardware, I think that is fine.
It will be an antipiracy measure that is in place but is not too restrictive. I mean, the games are already on blue ray if they come via disc right? So have pirating PS3 games which are on blueray tech that profilic now? It's not rampant where I am, heck, I don't even know if there are pirated ps3 games where I am. + Show Spoiler +
I'm okay with the checking when I have connection with the device every 24 hours. If the device doesn't have connectivity, then it just waits for when I have it again. I mean, that's at least a good option right for gamers and publishers?
I guess one way or just preventing malicious abusive behavior of multiple installs of a game disc is simply to do the check if multiple copies exist when the device gets a connection. If multiple instances do exist for said game, then the game is blocked from your account and the other instances are as well because of a violation. This would prevent the malicious behavior to a certain degree, unless of course the console is offline for the whole of its shelf life but I think that market is quite limited anyway and you still are able to reach legitimate clientelle who do buy the game but are offline, either stationed on areas outside coverage of internet or just crappy internet altogether. If the original owner who wants to lend the disc to his friend, then he has to uninstall the game and unregister it from his xboxlive account right?
I am not pro sony or microsoft here but if you look at the big picture, the console war is going that direction so the only real thing we want to avoid is abusive developers/publishers because think about it. If only sony is left for the Hardcore gamer, whats to stop the "PS5" from evolving to the very crap we are all hating on/against? The PS+ is already in place and it slowly exposing you more and more to the sony ecosystem. It is a simple fact and should be obvious to anyone who has used an iphone especially when it all began. Once you are tied to the ecosystem, it is hard to leave that ecosystem especially if you have a lot invested in it (financially in terms of software and hardware).
So I would just like to say, don't simply kill the thought of the XBone but rather wait til release and just get your point across that there are options MS can pursue that protects both consumer (via the digital storage of their bought game) and the publishers (via limiting piracy of their titles) while the device is not yet out and they still have time to salvage the situation.
Don't need to burn disks when you have softmod or hardmod a console that already can connect to external hard drives. You just load up games onto an external hard drive and play games off the hard drive you don't ever need to use disks if you're a pirate.
But you still need to soft (or hard) mod your console. The chance that the always online stuff can prevent this is virtually 0, because it is just one more thing that will be modded out by tech-savvy hackers. The only people this kind of retarded DRM checks will harm is the (majority) of people who actually use their game legally. People doing illegal stuff to their consoles to play pirated games will give zero fucks about the online checkin requirement, because it won't apply to them or their pirated games.
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On June 14 2013 00:42 Fruscainte wrote:http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/12/gamers-without-internet-can-stick-with-xbox-360-says-microsoftShow nested quote +Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity it's called xbox 360. - Don Mattrick, E3 2013 Are you serious right now microsoft. pls stop this. My internet was just out for 3 days because of a major thunderstorm in my area and it will regularly be going out for sometimes days at a time during this coming summer of storms and it will happen as long as I live in Florida until the day I die or until lightning storms stop existing routers stop blowing up.
That was allegedly in reference to someone asking about playing the console offline during his tour on a nuclear sub in the American navy...and this was that dick bags response.
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On June 14 2013 01:54 FromShouri wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 00:42 Fruscainte wrote:http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/12/gamers-without-internet-can-stick-with-xbox-360-says-microsoftFortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity it's called xbox 360. - Don Mattrick, E3 2013 Are you serious right now microsoft. pls stop this. My internet was just out for 3 days because of a major thunderstorm in my area and it will regularly be going out for sometimes days at a time during this coming summer of storms and it will happen as long as I live in Florida until the day I die or until lightning storms stop existing routers stop blowing up. That was allegedly in reference to someone asking about playing the console offline during his tour on a nuclear sub in the American navy...and this was that dick bags response.
Again, please tell us what the proper response should have been.
Should he have lied?
Should he have sugar coated it with half truths?
Should he have told him to buy a PS4?
What would have been the acceptable answer? People are reaching now.
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Its alright, it comes with a tinfoil hat if you preorder it. Geesh.
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On June 14 2013 02:11 takingbackoj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 01:54 FromShouri wrote:On June 14 2013 00:42 Fruscainte wrote:http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/12/gamers-without-internet-can-stick-with-xbox-360-says-microsoftFortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity it's called xbox 360. - Don Mattrick, E3 2013 Are you serious right now microsoft. pls stop this. My internet was just out for 3 days because of a major thunderstorm in my area and it will regularly be going out for sometimes days at a time during this coming summer of storms and it will happen as long as I live in Florida until the day I die or until lightning storms stop existing routers stop blowing up. That was allegedly in reference to someone asking about playing the console offline during his tour on a nuclear sub in the American navy...and this was that dick bags response. Again, please tell us what the proper response should have been. Should he have lied? Should he have sugar coated it with half truths? Should he have told him to buy a PS4? What would have been the acceptable answer? People are reaching now.
The acceptable answer would probably be something along the lines of "while we have no plans at the time please stay tuned for any future developments." Not being a dildo, anyone whos wanted an xbox360 probably already has one especially since its been out for 7 years and goes on sale every christmas.
OR heres another acceptable answer:
"we're so full of shit that we lie and are more worried about protecting our publisher's and our own bank accounts more then we care about providing a quality product."
People come at me with this "business are suppose to make money" crap, well sometimes its a way better business strategy to iunno, not piss off a good portion of your user base.
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FYI
Microsoft will also be retiring its MS Points system. It will convert any outstanding points balance into real dollars. However this amount will expire after one year if you do not use it. So if you do have a 360 with points on your live account, you should thinking about spending it....
I personally wrote to my consumer rights agency (canada) and complained because I'm pretty sure MS points is an extension of a gift card/store credit system and by law cannot expire anymore.
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Is there a reason for this thread being in general instead of Sports & Games? Have we all collectively decided the XBone isn't about games now?
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On June 14 2013 02:16 FromShouri wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 02:11 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 01:54 FromShouri wrote:On June 14 2013 00:42 Fruscainte wrote:http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/12/gamers-without-internet-can-stick-with-xbox-360-says-microsoftFortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity it's called xbox 360. - Don Mattrick, E3 2013 Are you serious right now microsoft. pls stop this. My internet was just out for 3 days because of a major thunderstorm in my area and it will regularly be going out for sometimes days at a time during this coming summer of storms and it will happen as long as I live in Florida until the day I die or until lightning storms stop existing routers stop blowing up. That was allegedly in reference to someone asking about playing the console offline during his tour on a nuclear sub in the American navy...and this was that dick bags response. Again, please tell us what the proper response should have been. Should he have lied? Should he have sugar coated it with half truths? Should he have told him to buy a PS4? What would have been the acceptable answer? People are reaching now. The acceptable answer would probably be something along the lines of "while we have no plans at the time please stay tuned for any future developments." Not being a dildo, anyone whos wanted an xbox360 probably already has one especially since its been out for 7 years and goes on sale every christmas. OR heres another acceptable answer: "we're so full of shit that we lie and are more worried about protecting our publisher's and our own bank accounts more then we care about providing a quality product." People come at me with this "business are suppose to make money" crap, well sometimes its a way better business strategy to iunno, not piss off a good portion of your user base.
So either double talk (tell people to stay tuned for no reason since nothing is going to change) or tell people how much you suck. Two realistic answers of course.
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