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a176
Canada6688 Posts
Answer: dumb journos who actually don't know anything about game development, and their associated fanboy who believe them. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On June 14 2013 03:19 a176 wrote: Why would they play PS4/XB1 games off a laptop ... and not a dev kit? Answer: dumb journos who actually don't know anything about game development, and their associated fanboy who believe them. I am definitely more inclined to believe this. Just what kind of laptop would be able to run these games that smoothly? | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
On June 14 2013 03:22 TheRabidDeer wrote: I am definitely more inclined to believe this. Just what kind of laptop would be able to run these games that smoothly? Not to mention if you're being held against your will after being told you've done nothing wrong than I would just call the cops. That last thing they would want is a bunch of police to get involved. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On June 14 2013 03:15 takingbackoj wrote: But they couldn't fix it without changing everything else about it. Online check-in is essential for most of it's other feature to work properly. And they arent going to shelve the Xbox One and rework it completely because of the people without internet. They have a specific direction they want to go and the online check in is necessary for that direction. And yes it is damning to those that don't have internet, I agree with you, but what is the point in discussing it? If you don't have internet then you shouldn't buy it, discussing it on a forum isn't going to fix your issue, you arent going to "see the light" and buy it because it wouldn't work for you. Again, thats cut and dry. If it were price, maybe you could be swayed, or drm or exclusives but online check in isn't going to change so if you don't have internet, it would be dumb to buy an Xbox One plain and simple. But obviously this isn't about actual issues for most. As I have said before, PS4 is the better option in my opinion but all of these people coming out of the woodwork without internet are ridiculous and the majority are just looking to jump on the rage train going on. Either that are a large portion of internet users somehow don't have internet. What "essential" feature couldn't work properly without the internet connectivity? Their DRM? I HIGHLY doubt there would be any reworking necessary to take any of their decisions back, they've got months to launch and these things don't exist. It could be done if they wanted to. They can have a specific direction they want to go, but that direction is straight to irrelevance. The only way their shit flies is if Sony was stupid enough to pull the same move. Even if Sony did decide to go that route the door is WIDE OPEN for anyone else to step into the console market and go "Hey, we're not retarded, check us out." Microsoft is welcome to fuck itself if that's what they want but it unequivocally means they're out of this gen plain and simple. A large portion of US (because lets face it, the xbox is only a factor in the US) internet users don't have RELIABLE internet. If you live in a major metropolitan area you might have decentish internet, certainly not amazing. If you live in the country you've probably got some lulzy hughesnet satellite garbage at best. The time WILL come where we throw out the CDs entirely and DL everything instead, where connectivity is needed. But until out infrastructure as a whole isn't complete shit that time isn't now. Microsoft decided it is, and they'll pay the price for that decision this generation. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On June 14 2013 03:24 Myles wrote: Not to mention if you're being held against your will after being told you've done nothing wrong than I would just call the cops. That last thing they would want is a bunch of police to get involved. i think PR are smart enough to understand that there are enough | ||
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
On June 14 2013 03:19 a176 wrote: Why would they play PS4/XB1 games off a laptop ... and not a dev kit? Answer: dumb journos who actually don't know anything about game development, and their associated fanboy who believe them. I believe a bunch of game devs have said they're developing on windows/directx 11 and then porting to consoles (since it's all the same shit now really). One example I can give was a Nomura (FF15/KH director) interview with Famitsu where he said that their KH demo was done on higher specs than those of the actual ps4/xbone, as they were still early in the development process. But yeah, the people who's job is built around asking people about games/game development, and who were at the event, don't know what they're talking about. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On June 14 2013 03:46 Jehct wrote: I believe a bunch of game devs have said they're developing on windows/directx 11 and then porting to consoles (since it's all the same shit now really). One example I can give was a Nomura (FF15/KH director) interview with Famitsu where he said that their KH demo was done on higher specs than those of the actual ps4/xbone, as they were still early in the development process. But yeah, the people who's job is built around asking people about games/game development, and who were at the event, don't know what they're talking about. Makes you wish they would also release those games on the PC. It sounds like the only real reason they wouldn't do so is to try and push the new consoles onto the market. Also most likely for piracy reasons as well. | ||
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RavenLoud
Canada1100 Posts
On June 14 2013 02:55 takingbackoj wrote: Link? Go to gamespot and watch their presser. Skip to the AC portion. Rabid already posted what I had in mind. I didn't see any laptop/PC running the game like the case of BF4 icon on X1. | ||
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
On June 14 2013 03:48 AnomalySC2 wrote: Makes you wish they would also release those games on the PC. It sounds like the only real reason they wouldn't do so is to try and push the new consoles onto the market. Also most likely for piracy reasons as well. I mean yeah, PC piracy is a scary thing for a lot of these console developers. I still hope they take the risk, and I think the Destiny devs at least have said they'd like to release on PC. Think Kojima (of MGS5) said something wishy-washy about a potential PC release too. Pretty awesome that we're getting Titanfall/The Division, at least, and this generation seems on the path to platform-unification, which is great news. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On June 14 2013 04:20 Jehct wrote: I mean yeah, PC piracy is a scary thing for a lot of these console developers. I still hope they take the risk, and I think the Destiny devs at least have said they'd like to release on PC. Think Kojima (of MGS5) said something wishy-washy about a potential PC release too. Pretty awesome that we're getting Titanfall/The Division, at least, and this generation seems on the path to platform-unification, which is great news. Is there really much risk? I could understand last generation when they had to really port it over to a PC, but this generation there isnt much work to do. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On June 14 2013 04:30 TheRabidDeer wrote: Is there really much risk? I could understand last generation when they had to really port it over to a PC, but this generation there isnt much work to do. Well, you can google the sales of COD:MW3 on console and PC, PC sales are pathetic compare to console because of piracy. All games were and are being developed on PC, thats nothing new in the industry, just watch some behind scenes footage of game making and you will see, they played it on PC with the controller. Its all about profit now, normally games like MGS or FF don't get on PC cos there is no PC market in Japan, but there are a large PC market else where. So the thing to do now is first release it on consoles, thats where the majority of profit come from. Then release it on PC just to squeeze the last bit of profit out of your product. In the PS1/PS2 era, you can't find the majority of console games on PC. That changes in PS3/Xbox360 era esp in the last few years, the line between console and PC gaming is blur now and will get more vague in the next gen. For me, personally, I don't care what game is on PC and what game is on console. I always play RPG, Adventures, Sports games on consoles 'cos I think they are best fit for console. I refuse to play FPS, RTS on console cos PC is the best for those games. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On June 14 2013 04:40 Caphe wrote: Well, you can google the sales of COD:MW3 on console and PC, PC sales are pathetic compare to console because of piracy. All games were and are being developed on PC, thats nothing new in the industry, just watch some behind scenes footage of game making and you will see, they played it on PC with the controller. Its all about profit now, normally games like MGS or FF don't get on PC cos there is no PC market in Japan, but there are a large PC market else where. So the thing to do now is first release it on consoles, thats where the majority of profit come from. Then release it on PC just to squeeze the last bit of profit out of your product. In the PS1/PS2 era, you can't find the majority of console games on PC. That changes in PS3/Xbox360 era esp in the last few years, the line between console and PC gaming is blur now and will get more vague in the next gen. For me, personally, I don't care what game is on PC and what game is on console. I always play RPG, Adventures, Sports games on consoles 'cos I think they are best fit for console. I refuse to play FPS, RTS on console cos PC is the best for those games. Yea, but generally the markets are pretty cleanly divided now. Very few that play it on the console are going to pirate the PC version and ignore the console version. So you get all of the old console sales, and a few more PC sales on top of that. | ||
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
On June 14 2013 04:30 TheRabidDeer wrote: Is there really much risk? I could understand last generation when they had to really port it over to a PC, but this generation there isnt much work to do. I'd guess they'd see a significant risk in putting a predominately single player game on PC for sales and actually cannabalising console sales via piracy rather than gaining anything. The shitty part is that there isn't really a good way to measure this. That said, everyone seems to be looking into multiplayer/online features anyway, so who knows how relevant that is. The devs will see how their competitors do on the platform and react, and it's down to consumers to prove them wrong. If Dark Souls 2 does well on PC then things probably bode well. | ||
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Masheyoon
United States781 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ftyPCdN.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tvXzEGE.png) I hope M$ likes where you live... | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On June 14 2013 01:21 Acrofales wrote: True really all a console needs is that it has to be hard modded very few people do this as it requires some soldering of hardware so either you need to be savvy or have to send it away to a shady place to get modded. It's when all you need to do is load up a program on a usb drive and load that onto your console that tons of people can and are able to pirate. But you still need to soft (or hard) mod your console. The chance that the always online stuff can prevent this is virtually 0, because it is just one more thing that will be modded out by tech-savvy hackers. The only people this kind of retarded DRM checks will harm is the (majority) of people who actually use their game legally. People doing illegal stuff to their consoles to play pirated games will give zero fucks about the online checkin requirement, because it won't apply to them or their pirated games. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On June 14 2013 04:40 Caphe wrote: Well, you can google the sales of COD:MW3 on console and PC, PC sales are pathetic compare to console because of piracy. . Yes, PC gamers aren't buying MW3 because piracy exists. Maybe PC gamers aren't buying MW3 because no one is pirating it either and we think it sucks. | ||
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takingbackoj
United States684 Posts
On June 14 2013 05:21 Masheyoon wrote: [spoiler] I hope M$ likes where you live... The price issue is accurate and a large blow to Xbox One. PS4 allows and leaves the decision of DRM up to third party developers. Does the Kinect watch you? Take the tinfoil hat off. Its no different than a cell phone. Requires internet. True and that is bad. Features that probably wont work? Lol, pathetic reach. If your internet dies its useless? See ONCE A DAY check in. And I would have never guess there were so many people with such bad internet to where they couldn't check in every 24 hours but still have enough internet to troll forums and complain about not having internet. Too funny. If I transport it to India? Hahaha, the comedy of the internet rage crowd is an amazing cross between funny and pitiful. | ||
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Hitch-22
Canada753 Posts
Some interesting stuff | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On June 14 2013 05:27 takingbackoj wrote: The price issue is accurate and a large blow to Xbox One. PS4 allows and leaves the decision of DRM up to third party developers. Does the Kinect watch you? Take the tinfoil hat off. Its no different than a cell phone. Requires internet. True and that is bad. Features that probably wont work? Lol, pathetic reach. If your internet dies its useless? See ONCE A DAY check in. And I would have never guess there were so many people with such bad internet to where they couldn't check in every 24 hours but still have enough internet to troll forums and complain about not having internet. Too funny. If I transport it to India? Hahaha, the comedy of the internet rage crowd is an amazing cross between funny and pitiful. Are you being paid for this? Serious question, considering the patents Microsoft filed say the explicit purpose of the Kinect is to watch you and data mine you so it can generate ad data specifically for you. Also, U.S. has the worst internet infrastructure in the developed world. I'd say having forced internet is quite a legitimate concern for its citizens. | ||
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
On June 14 2013 05:27 takingbackoj wrote: The price issue is accurate and a large blow to Xbox One. PS4 allows and leaves the decision of DRM up to third party developers. Does the Kinect watch you? Take the tinfoil hat off. Its no different than a cell phone. Requires internet. True and that is bad. Features that probably wont work? Lol, pathetic reach. If your internet dies its useless? See ONCE A DAY check in. And I would have never guess there were so many people with such bad internet to where they couldn't check in every 24 hours but still have enough internet to troll forums and complain about not having internet. Too funny. If I transport it to India? Hahaha, the comedy of the internet rage crowd is an amazing cross between funny and pitiful. Did you just make a down to earth analysis of that parody picture ? | ||
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