On June 03 2013 10:15 BlackJack wrote: Wade has always been a very streaky player. He doesn't have good games and bad games. He has good MONTHS and bad MONTHS. So he has had a bad month and suddenly he has declined to obscurity? His numbers this season are 21/5/5 on 52% shooting. 52% shooting is AMAZINGLY good for a shooting guard. There's only 3 people in the league that average >20 points on >50% shooting and the other 2 are LeBron and Durant.
50% SHOOTING vs weak ass defense, in the playoff ppl D up a lot better, that's why Wade's not effective, have nothing to do with him sucking or not getting the ball enough or in a horribad streak, or playing hurt, all that shit are excuses and no real man would want to hide behind all these excuses, especially not wade.
On June 03 2013 10:15 BlackJack wrote: Wade has always been a very streaky player. He doesn't have good games and bad games. He has good MONTHS and bad MONTHS. So he has had a bad month and suddenly he has declined to obscurity? His numbers this season are 21/5/5 on 52% shooting. 52% shooting is AMAZINGLY good for a shooting guard. There's only 3 people in the league that average >20 points on >50% shooting and the other 2 are LeBron and Durant.
50% SHOOTING vs weak ass defense, in the playoff ppl D up a lot better, that's why Wade's not effective, have nothing to do with him sucking or not getting the ball enough or in a horribad streak, or playing hurt, all that shit are excuses and no real man would want to hide behind all these excuses, especially not wade.
Yea...no. Wade used to be a legit #1... That was like 11 months ago.
On June 03 2013 10:15 BlackJack wrote: Wade has always been a very streaky player. He doesn't have good games and bad games. He has good MONTHS and bad MONTHS. So he has had a bad month and suddenly he has declined to obscurity? His numbers this season are 21/5/5 on 52% shooting. 52% shooting is AMAZINGLY good for a shooting guard. There's only 3 people in the league that average >20 points on >50% shooting and the other 2 are LeBron and Durant.
He's 13/5/5 on 44% in the Playoffs though. What's your point?
Wade has been ineffective these Playoffs relative to the standard of a guy who is an all time great SG. He's certainly no liability out there for the Heat but they're not getting "Dwayne Wade" levels of production from him, which is clearly hurting the team.
I'd agree that it has been overblown a bit as the media loves to hyperbole-up a good drama/storyline but there is some substance to it. If Wade played like he did even last year I doubt the Heat would be having as much trouble as they are now.
In saying that, I expect they'll win relatively comfortably in game 7. Wade will prob go off and Danny Granger will try start a fight from the bench to remain relevant on the Pacers' roster.
LOL if Granger was available for this series, the Pacers would have already won it.
Nooo way. Losing Granger is a classic case of addition by subtraction. Losing Granger has opened up minutes for George to play his best position and has taken an inefficient, high volume scorer off the Pacers' team.
I'd be trading Granger's contract for cap space to help re-sign West and maybe pick up some bench depth. No way Granger works well with the current Pacer squad.
On June 03 2013 10:15 BlackJack wrote: Wade has always been a very streaky player. He doesn't have good games and bad games. He has good MONTHS and bad MONTHS. So he has had a bad month and suddenly he has declined to obscurity? His numbers this season are 21/5/5 on 52% shooting. 52% shooting is AMAZINGLY good for a shooting guard. There's only 3 people in the league that average >20 points on >50% shooting and the other 2 are LeBron and Durant.
He's 13/5/5 on 44% in the Playoffs though. What's your point?
Wade has been ineffective these Playoffs relative to the standard of a guy who is an all time great SG. He's certainly no liability out there for the Heat but they're not getting "Dwayne Wade" levels of production from him, which is clearly hurting the team.
I'd agree that it has been overblown a bit as the media loves to hyperbole-up a good drama/storyline but there is some substance to it. If Wade played like he did even last year I doubt the Heat would be having as much trouble as they are now.
In saying that, I expect they'll win relatively comfortably in game 7. Wade will prob go off and Danny Granger will try start a fight from the bench to remain relevant on the Pacers' roster.
I thought I made my point pretty obvious. Wade is a very inconsistent player. He goes on streaks and slumps. Instead of just accepting this reality people try to judge his talent based on a very small sample size of his last few weeks of games.
In November Wade was 17/4.5/4.8 on 46% shooting. The analysts were saying he was over the hill. Remember LeBron telling Barkley to shut up about Wade's decline?
In February Wade was 24/6.2/5.5 on 53% shooting. Continued it into March where he was 21/5/6 on 54% shooting, helping the Heat to their insane win streak.
Now he is back to slumping and once again everyone is saying he is over the hill. What's most likely, that a player is dramatically regressing/progressing/regressing over and over or that he is just a streaky player and shouldn't be judged over a handful of games?
Wade isn't streaky - just injured. His november splits look bad for him, but any team in the league would take that line. He finally gets healthy and the Heat go on a historic win streak. He and Bosh both get injured and they slump - people are surprised?
I hope this finally shuts up the people saying Miami would be just fine w/o Wade. Before they didn't need him but now that they are on the brink it's his fault. Some of you people just can't be pleased.
Miami has never felt very synchronized this entire postseason. And taking your beef to the media instead of to LeBron directly and in the locker room doesn't seem like a great idea for chemistry, but I'm no team psychologist.
Additionally, the commonly used "no homo" is officially worth $75,000. This is taking PC to a new level.
On June 03 2013 12:22 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Miami has never felt very synchronized this entire postseason. And taking your beef to the media instead of to LeBron directly and in the locker room doesn't seem like a great idea for chemistry, but I'm no team psychologist.
Additionally, the commonly used "no homo" is officially worth $75,000. This is taking PC to a new level.
Yeah, I don't understand what Wade is talking about. LeBron has been in facilitator mode for most of these playoffs. Does Wade just expect to be given X number of shots per game? Especially when he's making very few (even FT numbers are down for him). I forgot where I saw it but someone said that in Miami's offense you're doing one of 3 things:
-Driving to hoop -hitting open perimeter shots -settings screens and doing the little garbage things
Wade hasn't been able to do any of those at a dependable rate. It would be simply folly to keep feeding him and having him miss.
On June 03 2013 10:15 BlackJack wrote: Wade has always been a very streaky player. He doesn't have good games and bad games. He has good MONTHS and bad MONTHS. So he has had a bad month and suddenly he has declined to obscurity? His numbers this season are 21/5/5 on 52% shooting. 52% shooting is AMAZINGLY good for a shooting guard. There's only 3 people in the league that average >20 points on >50% shooting and the other 2 are LeBron and Durant.
He's 13/5/5 on 44% in the Playoffs though. What's your point?
Wade has been ineffective these Playoffs relative to the standard of a guy who is an all time great SG. He's certainly no liability out there for the Heat but they're not getting "Dwayne Wade" levels of production from him, which is clearly hurting the team.
I'd agree that it has been overblown a bit as the media loves to hyperbole-up a good drama/storyline but there is some substance to it. If Wade played like he did even last year I doubt the Heat would be having as much trouble as they are now.
In saying that, I expect they'll win relatively comfortably in game 7. Wade will prob go off and Danny Granger will try start a fight from the bench to remain relevant on the Pacers' roster.
LOL if Granger was available for this series, the Pacers would have already won it.
Nooo way. Losing Granger is a classic case of addition by subtraction. Losing Granger has opened up minutes for George to play his best position and has taken an inefficient, high volume scorer off the Pacers' team.
I'd be trading Granger's contract for cap space to help re-sign West and maybe pick up some bench depth. No way Granger works well with the current Pacer squad.
You couldn't be more wrong. Yes, Granger going down let George blossom this year. It was going to happen regardless, but the Granger injury forced the issue.
What the Pacers biggest problem this year has been, is scoring. Danny Granger is a scorer. The Pacers other biggest problem is the bench. There is a significant drop off between the starting 5 and the bench. If Granger were available, you would have either Stephenson off the bench or Danny.
You call Danny an inefficient high volume scorer, yet his numbers are incredibly similar to that of Paul George. Danny isn't a selfish player, he was on teams where he HAD to take the shots. His best teammates were Mike Dunleavy Jr and Troy Murphy.... And he was playing in an offense under Jim O'Brien that greatly emphasized the three point shot.
Having Granger available for this series would have been HUGE for the Pacers. He can play the 3 and 4, play LeBron, and hit shots. Even a 20mpg Granger would have made a difference. If you think otherwise, you don't watch the Pacers.
Yea, hard to argue that if he could have come back in say, March/April and came off the bench that it wouldn't help a Pacer's team that has a terrible bench +/-
On June 03 2013 13:03 cLutZ wrote: Yea, hard to argue that if he could have come back in say, March/April and came off the bench that it wouldn't help a Pacer's team that has a terrible bench +/-
Exactly. How many bone head plays has Sam Young made this series? Replace that with a guy who has averaged 20ppg a couple season... Yeah Pacers worse with that!
Agreed. Paul George is indeed an upgrade over Granger but given he's on the team, a healthy Granger would help the bench a ton and could shore up the minutes given to Young.
Now they might be able to get more value for Granger's salary, but I don't think it's a net positive when Granger doesn't play. It's a net positive when Granger doesn't play over George.
Now whether that's actually feasible within the team's chemistry and politics is another thing.
On June 03 2013 13:03 cLutZ wrote: Yea, hard to argue that if he could have come back in say, March/April and came off the bench that it wouldn't help a Pacer's team that has a terrible bench +/-
Exactly. How many bone head plays has Sam Young made this series? Replace that with a guy who has averaged 20ppg a couple season... Yeah Pacers worse with that!
Sam Young dribbling is a frightful, high-stakes endeavor.
On June 03 2013 13:06 Jibba wrote: Agreed. Paul George is indeed an upgrade over Granger but given he's on the team, a healthy Granger would help the bench a ton and could shore up the minutes given to Young.
Now they might be able to get more value for Granger's salary, but I don't think it's a net positive when Granger doesn't play. It's a net positive when Granger doesn't play over George.
Now whether that's actually feasible within the team's chemistry and politics is another thing.
I really don't expect it to be a problem. Danny Granger and Paul George are incredibly close. And they have been since before PG was a Pacer. Both share the same agent and were working out together before the draft. Larry Bird called Granger for his opinion on PG. Granger said you have to draft this guy. Danny is a smart guy, he knew PG would play the same position. Before the draft, George told people he wanted to be a Pacer because he could learn from Danny.
Frank Vogel has done and amazing job making these guys a team. Its quite fun to watch and I've enjoyed this Pacer season probably more than any (I was 10 when they went to the Finals in 2000 so it wasn't the same). Danny has been traveling with the team all year and always is supporting them. If Frank says to Danny, hey you are gonna come off the bench, I don't seeing it being an issue.
Sadly we probably only get one season of it. Unless Danny takes a serious pay cut. The decision will be between Granger and Stephenson, and you have to go with Stephenson there. Younger, a ton of talent, and would make a hell of a wing combo with PG. Granger has been a class act in a tough time for Pacers basketball. I hope they are able to work something out so he can stay.
On June 03 2013 12:52 BoZiffer wrote: Does Wade just expect to be given X number of shots per game? Especially when he's making very few (even FT numbers are down for him). I forgot where I saw it but someone said that in Miami's offense you're doing one of 3 things:
-Driving to hoop -hitting open perimeter shots -settings screens and doing the little garbage things
Wade hasn't been able to do any of those at a dependable rate. It would be simply folly to keep feeding him and having him miss.
Yes, Wade and Bosh expect a certain number of opportunities (not just shots.) Wade is trying too hard to create offense for himself and it's not working out. Being guarded well is part of that, but still, he needs more opportunities (not just shots.)
And it doesn't matter what's "fair" based on performances. The only thing that matters is what improves their chances to win, and giving Wade/Bosh good opportunities early to get them playing well, even though they haven't "earned" those shots, is what gives Miami the best chance.
They're not going to win without 2 of those 3 playing well, so you either lose with Lebron dominating the ball or you lose taking a chance that Wade or Bosh can heat up (no pun intended.) I think #2 is a much better plan.
On June 03 2013 12:52 BoZiffer wrote: Does Wade just expect to be given X number of shots per game? Especially when he's making very few (even FT numbers are down for him). I forgot where I saw it but someone said that in Miami's offense you're doing one of 3 things:
-Driving to hoop -hitting open perimeter shots -settings screens and doing the little garbage things
Wade hasn't been able to do any of those at a dependable rate. It would be simply folly to keep feeding him and having him miss.
Yes, Wade and Bosh expect a certain number of opportunities (not just shots.) Wade is trying too hard to create offense for himself and it's not working out. Being guarded well is part of that, but still, he needs more opportunities (not just shots.)
And it doesn't matter what's "fair" based on performances. The only thing that matters is what improves their chances to win, and giving Wade/Bosh good opportunities early to get them playing well, even though they haven't "earned" those shots, is what gives Miami the best chance.
They're not going to win without 2 of those 3 playing well, so you either lose with Lebron dominating the ball or you lose taking a chance that Wade or Bosh can heat up (no pun intended.) I think #2 is a much better plan.
You're right, I agree with that philosophy overall. I guess I would say that LeBron has been looking to get others involved early in games almost to the point of being over passive in some instances. Wade just hasn't been able to be effective. I mean hell, Wario has gone for 20+ more times this post-season than Wade.
I'm suprised the Heat don't give the ball to MIke Miller a little more for 3 pointers. The guy makes most of his 3's in games, but he never gets to shoot. Hopefully the pacers can clutch this series at the Heat tonight though.
LeBron has been holding the ball and shooting the ball a lot more in the last couple games. "going back to the cleveland days" as the commentators call it. The question is is he doing that because Bosh and Wade are sucking or are they sucking because he isn't sharing the ball as much. My gut tells me it's the former.
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