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On July 12 2012 03:50 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 03:43 DrGreen wrote:On July 11 2012 00:18 ZeroCartin wrote:
EDIT: This is not a console to display mobile games on tv people, this is a console to help indy developers push a new market and develop for a different platform.
What do you guys think? Ok.... so everyone has PC... every indie developer can make games for PC... we have everything needed for their idea to work RIGHT NOW. But no.... YOU need to BUY a CONSOLE so you can play NOT SO GOOD games on NOT SO GOOD console, made by INDIE developers, because a HDMI CABLE and plugging PC to TV is too hard? A frikkin PC can play THOUSANDS of games, can use HUNDREDTHS of different game pads and it can even do other stuff than playing games! SICK! I don't know why people try to make their lives harder. Oh wait, I know... 3 milion $$ in 2 days, thats why. You absolutely have no idea, how many people have a console but don't ever play a game on their pc. And yes, it's actually pretty hard plugging a pc to a tv because not everyone has their tv next to their pc and long hdmi cables are very pricy. Not sure why you're getting butthurt over someone releasing a platform, you're not forced to buy it.
I'm not butthurt, I'm just amazed by IQ level of people of this world. People who are willing to pay money for something which is presented to be new and revolutionary when actually it has been around for years (sounds kinda like Apple, right?).
And no, plugging a laptop/PC to a TV takes few minutes and a functionality of PC beats any console easily (maybe people like going backwards in technology because of it's simplicity? In 10 years someone will invent board games or something...)
Playing smartphone games on TV... dream comes true!
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On July 12 2012 04:00 DrGreen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 03:50 JackDino wrote:On July 12 2012 03:43 DrGreen wrote:On July 11 2012 00:18 ZeroCartin wrote:
EDIT: This is not a console to display mobile games on tv people, this is a console to help indy developers push a new market and develop for a different platform.
What do you guys think? Ok.... so everyone has PC... every indie developer can make games for PC... we have everything needed for their idea to work RIGHT NOW. But no.... YOU need to BUY a CONSOLE so you can play NOT SO GOOD games on NOT SO GOOD console, made by INDIE developers, because a HDMI CABLE and plugging PC to TV is too hard? A frikkin PC can play THOUSANDS of games, can use HUNDREDTHS of different game pads and it can even do other stuff than playing games! SICK! I don't know why people try to make their lives harder. Oh wait, I know... 3 milion $$ in 2 days, thats why. You absolutely have no idea, how many people have a console but don't ever play a game on their pc. And yes, it's actually pretty hard plugging a pc to a tv because not everyone has their tv next to their pc and long hdmi cables are very pricy. Not sure why you're getting butthurt over someone releasing a platform, you're not forced to buy it. I'm not butthurt, I'm just amazed by IQ level of people of this world. People who are willing to pay money for something which is presented to be new and revolutionary when actually it has been around for years (sounds kinda like Apple, right?). And no, plugging a laptop/PC to a TV takes few minutes and a functionality of PC beats any console easily (maybe people like going backwards in technology because of it's simplicity? In 10 years someone will invent board games or something...) Playing smartphone games on TV... dream comes true!
My god you are so thick there's no point explaining things to you. You should start by actually reading what it exactly is. It's not being presented as revolutionary, nor are they smartphone games.
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On July 12 2012 03:58 HyukeN wrote:
How does this help indie developers more than PC? Is it that some developers want their games to be played on a TV (with more ease than hooking up a PC)?
Also, can somebody elaborate in what sense is it open hardware and what possibilities do you see as opening up because of that?
There is a large market of console gamers that dont like playing on a computer. This allows indie developers to develop much more simply to that audience.
Open hardware means it will come with simple screws so anyone can open and add periphals that they want. It could mean that you can put more usbs if you want(for example). This is great since there are lots of people that can experiment with hardware stuff on it for new technologies.
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I think people are looking at this in the lens that we currently view 'smartphone games', even though that's not what it's directly faced at. Yeah, it will probably be a part of it because that is where most indie developers start, but no that's not where it will end. I'm pretty sure they will have it pointed in a direction where an indie developer who wants to expand their horizon, is able to with this.
Why this, instead of say playing a game on a PC? Mostly because the price they have on this thing is pretty appealing I'd say to a 'Common" consumer. Not us StarCraft folks who would pay a hefty price for a computer powerhouse. It's a risky direction for them, but I think it's something that could definitely work out better for indie developers who don't want to be under the contracts of Sony's network, Wii store and so on.
While the handheld generation isn't necessarily dead, I could definitely say that the smartphone/tablets have put a dent into how the world sees it now.
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I really like this. I remember when I was looking at the current gaming status, and I thought of a few things that would be great to have at all times. And now it's here.
A console that stays traditional. (PS3/X360)
A console which offers gameplay innovation through the console itself. (WiiU)
A console that lets developers get off the ground with low game costs. (Mobile, hopefully Ouya)
A console that focuses on gameplay innovation through the games themselves. (Hopefully Ouya)
If this works out, my last hope would be that either the Ps3 or X360 drops out and focuses on some other important thing to have. The more choices the better 
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Im going to buy this because i love to tinker and hack things. The first thing that actually came to my mind was all the emulators that will come out for this. I always regretting selling my n64 in a garage sale a long time ago and with this I should be able to play all the classics again.
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On July 12 2012 04:03 ZeroCartin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 03:58 HyukeN wrote:
How does this help indie developers more than PC? Is it that some developers want their games to be played on a TV (with more ease than hooking up a PC)?
Also, can somebody elaborate in what sense is it open hardware and what possibilities do you see as opening up because of that? There is a large market of console gamers that dont like playing on a computer. This allows indie developers to develop much more simply to that audience. Open hardware means it will come with simple screws so anyone can open and add periphals that they want. It could mean that you can put more usbs if you want(for example). This is great since there are lots of people that can experiment with hardware stuff on it for new technologies.
That's nice and all, but it's all banking on this being a success to the general market. It has a lot of steam now to a fairly limited audience, most of which I'm sure is made up of amateur game developers, but is the general public really going to buy in? If so then maybe it works, but otherwise you're still just marketing your games to an extremely limited audience.
I still think the Steam Greenlight service is going to be a much better solution for the average amateur developer.
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This is like OnLive.
Their model is similar.
"OH YEAH" looks so sick.
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On July 12 2012 00:53 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 00:47 Bigtony wrote:Tegra3 quad-core processor
1GB RAM This a joke? You won't be able to make/play anything worthwhile with this kind of power. I mean, I could just download an emulator for an old console and have thousands of games of similar quality at my fingertips...or the wii/xbox/ps3 marketplace I agree with the main idea, but I don't know why you'd harp on the 1gb of RAM on a $100 console. You do realize that both the PS3 and Xbox 360 have significantly less than 1gb of RAM? This is essentially a phone with an HDMI output and dedicated wireless controllers. (Without an antenna, a screen, and all that phone stuff).
They have less than 1gb of ram but also have more powerful processors and dedicated graphics cards. To me that sounds like a gigantic waste, but I guess that's because I know how to use a computer? Then again I can't see anyone who would be aware of this and understand it not being at least mildly into computers.
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On July 12 2012 03:50 JackDino wrote:
You absolutely have no idea, how many people have a console but don't ever play a game on their pc.
And yes, it's actually pretty hard plugging a pc to a tv because not everyone has their tv next to their pc and long hdmi cables are very pricy. Not sure why you're getting butthurt over someone releasing a platform, you're not forced to buy it.
You can just move a PC, or even the tv, doesn't take much but bit muscle. It's just basically a minipc, with even less power and usage.
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On July 12 2012 05:01 Lafie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 03:50 JackDino wrote:
You absolutely have no idea, how many people have a console but don't ever play a game on their pc.
And yes, it's actually pretty hard plugging a pc to a tv because not everyone has their tv next to their pc and long hdmi cables are very pricy. Not sure why you're getting butthurt over someone releasing a platform, you're not forced to buy it. You can just move a PC, or even the tv, doesn't take much but bit muscle. It's just basically a minipc, with even less power and usage.
Almost every single person I know not tech savvy absolutely hates plugging and unplugging their PC. Why? Because they're scared shitless they'll plug something back in wrong, or something of that sort.
My dad used to try to force me to write down on paper where everything plugged in the back if I ever had to move the PC. I never would, because I assured him I wasn't retarded and would figure it out, but he always threatened I would have to pay the cost for a PC repair person to fix it if I messed it up. It wasn't until I actually built my own computer that he started asking me to troubleshoot his problems rather than call in someone to look at it. I've fixed so many basic things that took like 5 minutes for me to figure out, and that I assume anyone should be able to figure out really quickly (one thing was even just the computer date somehow being off 3 years so Internet certificates were showing invalid), but he's willing to call in someone to look at it over...
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On July 12 2012 05:01 Lafie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 03:50 JackDino wrote:
You absolutely have no idea, how many people have a console but don't ever play a game on their pc.
And yes, it's actually pretty hard plugging a pc to a tv because not everyone has their tv next to their pc and long hdmi cables are very pricy. Not sure why you're getting butthurt over someone releasing a platform, you're not forced to buy it. You can just move a PC, or even the tv, doesn't take much but bit muscle. It's just basically a minipc, with even less power and usage.
so lift up every day your pc , unplug and plug all cables twice a day instead of paying 100 euros and having an idie console ? thanks but i prefere working a few hours and have the console instead of moving my pc left and right and saving nothing since energy is money aswel .
or better : time is money . and unplugging and plugging is time waste .
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On July 12 2012 05:06 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 05:01 Lafie wrote:On July 12 2012 03:50 JackDino wrote:
You absolutely have no idea, how many people have a console but don't ever play a game on their pc.
And yes, it's actually pretty hard plugging a pc to a tv because not everyone has their tv next to their pc and long hdmi cables are very pricy. Not sure why you're getting butthurt over someone releasing a platform, you're not forced to buy it. You can just move a PC, or even the tv, doesn't take much but bit muscle. It's just basically a minipc, with even less power and usage. Almost every single person I know not tech savvy absolutely hates plugging and unplugging their PC. Why? Because they're scared shitless they'll plug something back in wrong, or something of that sort. My dad used to try to force me to write down on paper where everything plugged in the back if I ever had to move the PC. I never would, because I assured him I wasn't retarded and would figure it out, but he always threatened I would have to pay the cost for a PC repair person to fix it if I messed it up. It wasn't until I actually built my own computer that he started asking me to troubleshoot his problems rather than call in someone to look at it. I've fixed so many basic things that took like 5 minutes for me to figure out, and that I assume anyone should be able to figure out really quickly (one thing was even just the computer date somehow being off 3 years so Internet certificates were showing invalid), but he's willing to call in someone to look at it over...
I've been using a computer for as long as I can remember, I work as a programmer... yet I hate unplugging and moving my computer. You have to be halfway retarded to fail at plugging in a computer, but it's still takes time if your computer is placed at a desk with a wall or something behind it, especially if you want to keep it somewhat clean with the cables etc. While desktops have gotten smaller and lighter in modern times, it's still decently heavy work. It's not something you want to do several times a day.
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Ignoring the whole lack of mobility aspect I can respect an android console more than I can respect an iPad.
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On July 12 2012 04:03 ZeroCartin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 03:58 HyukeN wrote:
How does this help indie developers more than PC? Is it that some developers want their games to be played on a TV (with more ease than hooking up a PC)?
Also, can somebody elaborate in what sense is it open hardware and what possibilities do you see as opening up because of that? There is a large market of console gamers that dont like playing on a computer. This allows indie developers to develop much more simply to that audience. Open hardware means it will come with simple screws so anyone can open and add periphals that they want. It could mean that you can put more usbs if you want(for example). This is great since there are lots of people that can experiment with hardware stuff on it for new technologies.
Thanks, but I still am not sure I understand the whole appeal of open HW. Is the open hardware concept referring to the computer hardware or the mechanical hardware? Does the community pretty much wait for somebody to do something cool and then follow his tutorial if they want to do that? I'm assuming a good example would be modding a playstation. Since PS was not open HW what were the hurdles for people to do this and how does this design eliminate those? Or is there a better example?
So if it is open source hw/sw then we shouldn't be restricted to a speicif controller right? We could use any other controller with blutetooth, wifi, or USB capability?
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Id surely love to see the games in the indie bundles ported for this console, I friggin love aquaria and bastion and its just not the same having to boot up the pc and waste electricity just to play ...
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I could see this thing be pretty nice, if it gets a vibrant community of people that actually care for it.
99$ isn't too bad for a console that allows watching streams on TV, and playing games like Minecraft and maybe platformers like SuperMeatBoy. And obviously you could do all kinds of illegal stuff with that console, which is nice. So emulating older consoles etc. could also work nicely.
But I don't have a TV, and even if I did, I wouldn't just put my money out there and hope, I'd much rather hop onto the bandwagon once it gets rolling.
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This console is definitely exciting from a development perspective, but I doubt it will really take off as a gaming platform.
1. How will you purchase games? The best method they have is digital download, but how do they provide that (with reliability and quality) ? All current digital download servers have an advantage in terms of scale, which is something they probably won't have. If it's done by 3rd parties, then that's an additional cost to developers, and probably a worse user experience.
2. It's specs are good, but will probably be blown out of the water by next gen consoles. And when compared to a PC it'll be a joke. This leaves it in a weird place, meaning console ports will gain no advantages (if people even try to port) and PC games will underperform on it. If it doesn't get some good games before the next gen is released, this thing is pretty much dead.
3. Making a console is hard, not only from a technical perspective, but also from a financial perspective. For example, Microsoft's Xbox division was only profitable until many years after the release of the 360. Granted, this project isn't exactly for-profit, but it's important to keep in mind the time, effort and resources it took to make the Xbox a good platform.
In the best case scenario, I see this Ouya spawning a few good games and maybe becoming an interesting experiment. Or they might make a mistake and users realize they just spent 100 dollars on a overpriced media machine because it has no games or can't play them. Still, it'll be interesting to see how it turns out.
Edit: also realized this thing only has 8GB internal storage. Wtf? Where do they expect you to store your games?
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On July 12 2012 03:50 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 03:43 DrGreen wrote:On July 11 2012 00:18 ZeroCartin wrote:
EDIT: This is not a console to display mobile games on tv people, this is a console to help indy developers push a new market and develop for a different platform.
What do you guys think? Ok.... so everyone has PC... every indie developer can make games for PC... we have everything needed for their idea to work RIGHT NOW. But no.... YOU need to BUY a CONSOLE so you can play NOT SO GOOD games on NOT SO GOOD console, made by INDIE developers, because a HDMI CABLE and plugging PC to TV is too hard? A frikkin PC can play THOUSANDS of games, can use HUNDREDTHS of different game pads and it can even do other stuff than playing games! SICK! I don't know why people try to make their lives harder. Oh wait, I know... 3 milion $$ in 2 days, thats why. You absolutely have no idea, how many people have a console but don't ever play a game on their pc. And yes, it's actually pretty hard plugging a pc to a tv because not everyone has their tv next to their pc and long hdmi cables are very pricy. Not sure why you're getting butthurt over someone releasing a platform, you're not forced to buy it.
Most tv's even have a VGA port for pc's
Hell, theres not really a single person i dont know who doesnt have their pc's plugged into their tv. Cheap HTPC only cost a few hundred (well, around 200-300) can emulate most things and with a few wireless keyboards/controllers and a nice frontend software it can be a very nice arcade-like console.
Idk, im really really skeptical about this product. Id assume it cant even run minecraft, a game that was once indy i guess you could say.
Its probably gonna be a stocking stuffer much like those atari joysticks they marketed a decade back with a few games on it
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man.. this is really something my girlfriend and I would buy.. we love android os and related hardware. I am psyched for cheap, fun games
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