EDIT: OMG 8-12 hours and it doubled the amount pledged! EDIT: This is not a console to display mobile games on tv people, this is a console to help indy developers push a new market and develop for a different platform.
Tegra3 quad-core processor 1GB RAM 8GB of internal flash storage HDMI connection to the TV, with support for up to 1080p HD WiFi 802.11 b/g/n Bluetooth LE 4.0 USB 2.0 (one) Wireless controller with standard controls (two analog sticks, d-pad, eight action buttons, a system button), a touchpad Android 4.0
I dont know about you guys, but this got me excited (at least from a game developer's standpoint.). What do you guys think?
I don't find anything appealing about mobile/web games. I never did since the n-gage and never will. I still love my Nintendo DS. To me, I just find the games are either lackluster, subpar, or their edginess is graphics or gameplay to be still below technology that's dedicated purely for games.
Couldn't they make an easy improvement by changing the different coloured circles to other shapes, say, X, square, and triangle? I hate this whole moving backwards thing with popular games. How long before they catch up with PSP level?
On July 11 2012 00:25 Slayer91 wrote: Couldn't they make an easy improvement by changing the different coloured circles to other shapes, say, X, square, and triangle? I hate this whole moving backwards thing with popular games. How long before they catch up with PSP level?
Probably some form of copyright/patent infringement if they were to do so. At least that's my guess.
Sigh, i was like oo this could be interested, then realised it wanted 900,000 from the public to start it? Not the way to go about it. No i don't want to play AngryBirds on my 42" HD TV that sounds silly. Maybe i'm the wrong target audience for this as i rarely play any games on my phone, mainly just have news apps and the odd word game, but i think the way this is going to work is going to be cheap ass emulator software producing pixalated games on your TV? Whats the point in that, might aswell just download them for your PC?
On July 11 2012 00:24 Torte de Lini wrote: I don't find anything appealing about mobile/web games. I never did since the n-gage and never will. I still love my Nintendo DS. To me, I just find the games are either lackluster, subpar, or their edginess is graphics or gameplay to be still below technology that's dedicated purely for games.
Then again, I've never played Angry Birds.
Im not alone then. There is 2 of us with similar attitude towards this and also, i've never played Angry Birds either.
That video was actually pretty convincing when she started talking about it's all going to be open and free development. I think this will actually go somewhere. Yeah, I'm not really interested in the Android phone games, but it's bound to please someone.
On July 11 2012 00:24 Torte de Lini wrote: I don't find anything appealing about mobile/web games. I never did since the n-gage and never will. I still love my Nintendo DS. To me, I just find the games are either lackluster, subpar, or their edginess is graphics or gameplay to be still below technology that's dedicated purely for games.
Then again, I've never played Angry Birds.
You're not missing out on much
The specs on the Ouya seem interesting enough to draw some attention from developers. I don't know about the the specifics of development on this console, but it'll be hard to break into the current market of mobile games if devs have to develop games specifically for the Ouya. I'm assuming that shouldn't be the case, since it's Android-based after all.
I think you guys are missing the point. The console would be Android based, but games do not necessarily have to be as crappy or low budget as iOS or Android based games. The whole point is to give developers an opportunity to create content on a console without any restrictions (xbox and ps3 all have given some kind of access to small devs, but not everyone is accepted into the dev program).
I feel interested on what kind of games we can make with a quad core cpu, and no apparent gnu though. Might be missing something, but thats what I'm seeing right now.
On July 11 2012 00:24 Torte de Lini wrote: I don't find anything appealing about mobile/web games. I never did since the n-gage and never will. I still love my Nintendo DS. To me, I just find the games are either lackluster, subpar, or their edginess is graphics or gameplay to be still below technology that's dedicated purely for games.
Then again, I've never played Angry Birds.
You're not missing out on much
The specs on the Ouya seem interesting enough to draw some attention from developers. I don't know about the the specifics of development on this console, but it'll be hard to break into the current market of mobile games if devs have to develop games specifically for the Ouya. I'm assuming that shouldn't be the case, since it's Android-based after all.
Since they are showing some games like Canabalt, they are showing ease of port from an android based game to a new console.
Surprised people seriously believe android is limited to shit like angry bird. The reason mobile games suck is because you can't make good controls using a frickin touchscreen. With a proper controller and monitor, you could make android games just as good as any handheld console. Not that it's going to happen, no one will buy this console and mobile games will still be made for people with 5 second attentionspan and a sole touchscreen for control.
If it was released though, I would definitely be interested in making indie games for it.
On July 11 2012 00:50 Corvi wrote: uh yea, who hasnt dreamt of playing all those shitty mobile games on the big screen?
they better develop some quality games for this themselves, like nintendo does, or this will fail hard.
As iPAndi said before me, I think you are missing the point. This is an opportunity for indy game developers to develop on a much better console system with a free SDK, it has nothing to do with mobile games.
Sure, it's android and you can port mobile games into it, but again, it is not the purpose of the console.
I don't see this catching, from a consumer standpoint or a developer standpoint.
Apps on my phone are simple and cheap, as they're typically time-wasters. I don't sit at home and play Angry Birds, I play it when I'm on the train or on a road trip. Why would I buy a console for this? It's not going to be able to render games like a full-fledged GPU-powered console, such as the PS3 or 360, and thus, a large number of "gamer" consumers are just going to dismiss it straight away. And if I want to play Angry Birds on my TV, my PC or even my android phone can do that already.
For developers, this seems like another compatibility headache when it comes to developing standard Android apps. Or it's trying to be something inbetween a smart phone and a gaming console -- but why develop a quality product specifically for something so niche that it has no real consumer base?
Edited main post. Leoporello and Kim: this isnt about porting mobile games into a console, its about the possibility for indy dvelopers to make games on a much more powerful platform than mobile.
On July 11 2012 00:57 Leporello wrote: I don't see this catching, from a consumer standpoint or a developer standpoint.
Apps on my phone are simple and cheap, as they're typically time-wasters. I don't sit at home and play Angry Birds, I play it when I'm on the train or on a road trip. Why would I buy a console for this? It's not going to be able to render games like a full-fledged GPU-powered console, such as the PS3 or 360, and thus, a large number of "gamer" consumers are just going to dismiss it straight away. And if I want to play Angry Birds on my TV, my PC or even my android phone can do that already.
For developers, this seems like another compatibility headache when it comes to developing standard Android apps. Or it's trying to be something inbetween a smart phone and a gaming console -- but why develop a quality product specifically for something so niche that it has no real consumer base?
Skeptical. I just don't see the point.
The point is to have an open source console which it doesn't cost ridiculous amounts of money to create games for.
FYI from the FAQ Is this just about playing mobile and tablet games on my TV? No. Nope. Nyet. Nein. Can we say it more clearly?
OUYA was not created merely to host ports of existing Android games. We’ve built this badboy to play the most creative content from today’s best known AAA game designers as well as adored indie gamemakers.
That said, we believe many existing Android games will feel bigger and better on a TV with a real controller. And we’ve heard from developers like Brian Fargo and Adam Saltsman that the controller will be the most exciting reason to develop for OUYA. We hope they speak for all developers when they say OUYA will inspire new forms of gameplay.
And for $100, it's not like it's a huge investment hoping that big AAA titles come to it... if even just a few good games are developed for the platform it would be worth it. Also, twitch.
Eh, but it's still marketing itself towards gaming specifically. If they get developers on board to make some games that can actually grab some attention -- then maybe it could find a place. I just think a gamer will basically ask themselves why pay $100 for a console that only plays indy games, when they can buy a $200 console that plays the major brand titles that everyone knows. It's going to be tough, but I wish it well as I guess there is at least some demand for it.
It seems the controller is what really separates it from, say, an android tablet.
It doesn't seem like this is simply a way to port iOS games onto a TV console. I think they are just trying to provide an arena for developers to be free to be as creative as they want. I am skeptical, but it has potential.
Has no one in this thread looked at their kickstarter? Its not only going to be only mobile games! Android isn't just a mobile platform that can only support angry birds type games.
When they say they are going to compete with the Tablet/mobile game market they aren't saying that they are going to be porting those games over and then nothing else. They are saying that are going to drop the barriers that developers have when trying to develop for a console and make it just as easy as it is to develop for Android/iOS. With those barriers dropped, tons of developers will be able to make games that they want to make and not have to spend tens of thousands of dollars working through licenses on the existing consoles.
Also, Its going to have Twitch TV built in so it can stream Starcraft in HD right to your TV! I know tons of people on this site would pay 99$ just for that! Everything will be free-to-play to some degree, so you can try every game out before you buy it. And, best of all, the development for it will be super open, so there will be tons of interesting, fun indie games popping up all the time. This isn't just an android smart phone with a controller and an HDMI cable.
On July 11 2012 01:15 Virtue wrote: Has no one in this thread looked at their kickstarter? Its not only going to be only mobile games! Android isn't just a mobile platform that can only support angry birds type games.
Its going to have Twitch TV built in so it can stream Starcraft in HD right to your TV! I know tons of people on this site would pay 99$ just for that! Everything will be free-to-play to some degree, so you can try every game out before you buy it. And, best of all, the development for it will be super open, so there will be tons of interesting, fun indie games popping up all the time. This isn't just an android smart phone with a controller and an HDMI cable.
And I've seen multiple devs talk about it... Cliffy B (From Epic) has tweeted about the project, and Epic has made one of the most amazing mobile games ever (Infinity Blade) so I could see them having their developer ChAIR work on titles for a system like this.
And if this got popular, we could possibly finally get a mobile accessory which makes your cellphone into a proper handheld, which again, would take mobile gaming to a whole new level. I mean think about it, if this got a decent library of good games, wouldn't samsung etc want to cash in on that by making some shitty controller for their android phones to let you play those games straight on the phones? (When the phones are powerful enough).
I am kind of interested in pledging the $100, but there are a few things I am curious about. Does it have wireless, and if the kickstart fails, do you get your money back, or do they still give you an ouya, or what happens?
it looks interesting. But I don't know if there is room for it when it will have to fight the big 3, MS,Nintendo, and my personal favorite Sony. For myself when it comes to consoles. While indie games are good and should be supported, I feel like digtal stores, like steam, Origin, PSN are really good for selling these games on. I feel like next generation will be like this one. Except Sony's PS4 will be cheaper than the PS3. The Wii-u will be HD, but once again will bank on zelda and mario to carry it. And next box will be similiar to the PS4 in price and power, but will be cute and link everything together with windows 8. I miss the PS2 days, that was the golden era of console gaming.
On July 11 2012 01:30 RoosterSamurai wrote: I am kind of interested in pledging the $100, but there are a few things I am curious about. Does it have wireless, and if the kickstart fails, do you get your money back, or do they still give you an ouya, or what happens?
Kickstarter doesn't take money from you unless the project meets it's funding goal ($950000* in this case) So if the project doesn't get at least that amount, you will not be charged.
And if you read the kickstarter page...
Specifications:
Tegra3 quad-core processor 1GB RAM 8GB of internal flash storage HDMI connection to the TV, with support for up to 1080p HD WiFi 802.11 b/g/n Bluetooth LE 4.0 USB 2.0 (one) Wireless controller with standard controls (two analog sticks, d-pad, eight action buttons, a system button), a touchpad Android 4.0
On July 11 2012 01:30 RoosterSamurai wrote: I am kind of interested in pledging the $100, but there are a few things I am curious about. Does it have wireless, and if the kickstart fails, do you get your money back, or do they still give you an ouya, or what happens?
Kickstarter doesn't take money from you unless the project meets it's funding goal ($750000 in this case) So if the project doesn't get at least that amount, you will not be charged.
And if you read the kickstarter page...
Specifications:
Tegra3 quad-core processor 1GB RAM 8GB of internal flash storage HDMI connection to the TV, with support for up to 1080p HD WiFi 802.11 b/g/n Bluetooth LE 4.0 USB 2.0 (one) Wireless controller with standard controls (two analog sticks, d-pad, eight action buttons, a system button), a touchpad Android 4.0
Oh I see. Whoops, I missed that. Well it seems like a pretty solid idea for $100, and they seem to be making good progress too. I can only hope that someone develops quality 8-bit games for it. I'd be totally sold, even for $200, if that happened.
On July 11 2012 00:55 KimJongChill wrote: Ehh, I don't see this kicking off. I just don't see mobile games really being that big or important enough to warrant their own console and tv.
Oh wow, this is actually really really exciting. The price point is great. This will inevitably do well if it lasts long enough to generate a following. I see it as something that will inevitably take off slowly, which is difficult for a smaller company to sustain until revenues start to exceed expenses.
Read through the thread, but what really caught my eye is the kickstarter, namely how freakin fast its' going up. Every time you click refresh its gone up another 100 or 200 dollars.
I like the general idea, but I don't think this is gonna work out as well as they'd like to think. It's as if they're trying to find a combined way to do a bunch of different things on a new platform, but it will only turn out inferior than it would in their respective original habitats.
On July 11 2012 01:57 Lucumo wrote: Hm, I don't know. Why develop(indie) something for a console when you can develop it for the PC? And there aren't any restrictions either...
I'm not really sure. I think they want to take advantage of the Android Market as a way of selling their games rather than having to either setup a fancy website, get on Steam or find a publisher to sell the games.
So.. It can't compete with modern consoles due to lack of hardware specs. It can't compete in the mobile space for obvious reasons. It can't compete with PC's which is really the only thing left for obvious reasons. It has an awful controller design and frankly awful name.
How on earth does anyone expect this to be successful on any level? Games in the mobile space work because the devices are small and mobile, take that away and they are largely crap. This thing basically becomes a non mobile tablet/handheld in capability, which has zero market appeal.
On July 11 2012 02:16 Dekoth wrote: So.. It can't compete with modern consoles due to lack of hardware specs. It can't compete in the mobile space for obvious reasons. It can't compete with PC's which is really the only thing left for obvious reasons. It has an awful controller design and frankly awful name.
How on earth does anyone expect this to be successful on any level? Games in the mobile space work because the devices are small and mobile, take that away and they are largely crap. This thing basically becomes a non mobile tablet/handheld in capability, which has zero market appeal.
I dunno, in my opinion: It doesn't need to compete with modern consoles because the type of games that it is going to be offering (or at least so they intend) would not be stuff like CoD or Skyrim or the Final Fantasy Series.
It doesn't need to compete with the mobile space because this won't be about porting Angry Birds.
It doesn't need to compete with PC's because it's a console. I know plenty of people who either cannot afford a gaming grade computer or actually have trouble playing on PC with Keyboard and mouse. It comes down to preference, and there are plenty of people who prefer console gaming or don't really give a monkey's tail about PC v Console.
The controller does look awkward and yeah, the name is...weird.
Just my 2 cents. I'm gonna keep an eye on it if it does get off the ground. If the games that start coming out for it are pretty good, I might just get one.
On July 11 2012 02:44 Louis8k8 wrote: Where do they even see a niche for this combo...?
They just surpassed 50% of their goal... clearly there is a niche.
There will be good games on it. The games most likely wont be anywhere near the $60 pricetag you pay for PS/Xbox games. The console is $100 and it is running android, which means you can install thousands of different apps. It runs twitch. So basically for $100 you get a really good piece of hardware that you don't even have to use for gaming in order for it to be worth it.
On July 11 2012 01:57 Lucumo wrote: Hm, I don't know. Why develop(indie) something for a console when you can develop it for the PC? And there aren't any restrictions either...
Why do so many indie developers develop for Xbox Live Arcade? Because it gives a TON of coverage. Believe it or not, there are a lot of people who don't play games on computers but use consoles for that.. and on top of that, there are a ton of people who don't play games on neither console nor PC, only mobile phones.
On July 11 2012 01:57 Lucumo wrote: Hm, I don't know. Why develop(indie) something for a console when you can develop it for the PC? And there aren't any restrictions either...
Why do so many indie developers develop for Xbox Live Arcade? Because it gives a TON of coverage. Believe it or not, there are a lot of people who don't play games on computers but use consoles for that.. and on top of that, there are a ton of people who don't play games on neither console nor PC, only mobile phones.
Sorry, should have written "this" console. I thought people would know since the last sentence heavily hinted that way.
The controller looks weird... I mean, four O buttons? other than that it seems pretty cool. edit; I agree with a previous poster, this might be an issue for color blind people.
On July 11 2012 04:25 Al Bundy wrote: The controller looks weird... I mean, four O buttons? other than that it seems pretty cool. edit; I agree with a previous poster, this might be an issue for color blind people.
good points they say in the article they have the prototype up and running, that's probably including the controller. Maybe they would be able to hear some constructive criticism about the controller before it starts getting mass produced
Gamers wives/girlfriends would probably love something like this. $100 is almost nothing when you think about getting fun innovative games on a decent platform. I'm more of a wait and see type consumer, but I wouldn't avoid this console.
edit: I only say that since most Android users expect free content... and pushing out stuff as a developer can only be free for so long before ads like crazy and in-app purchases flood the game, just to keep money flowing
Also, US$950.000 is such a cheap investment! If I had money I wouldn't think twice before investing in this.
$950k SO FAR! It's only been up for like 7 hours or so? And they hit their target. It's funny, I was looking at it going "hmm I wonder how they will get the last $100k" because they had only like 100 left of the $99 deal, and then right before it hit 0 they added another 5000 So that pushed them over the top and I can forsee them going up to maybe 1.5mil and as long as that helps them make the best possible system I'm all for that :D
On July 11 2012 06:12 treekiller wrote: So this is a system that doesnt even exist yet?
It exists in prototype form, they just need to work out some kinks and bugs and get more made to ship to devs so they can have launch titles. Kickstarter is for funding projects so that they can afford to do something. This allows a new company to make a product without needing to rely on funding from investment companies.
I'm pretty excited for this actually, a cheap console, with cheap games and open to every developer. Now just hope they don't hire the same guys that made the B.net custom map search and we should be alright :D
I thought people played mobile games, so they could play them on the go and not be in front of a tv while doing so. I will be curious to see how successful this is though. I myself am not interested in mobile or indy games, so this product isn't for me. They can say it's not mobile games on tv all they want, but the power of the device is the limiting factor, so you'll never see anything great graphically on it.
i cant see this work. most creative minds already moved on to the mobile market and try to make a living there, i cant imagine them going back. but maybe some new will grow and the hardcore console market will grow again? (hardcore as in: i only need a stick and a few buttons to play!) But i highly doubt that. most ppl who buy that thing are probably guys who didnt even develop anything yet but maybe plan and on doing someday
edit thinking twice, i actually used to play cavestory with a xbox controller for windows on my tv. so the idea aint new, programms like joy2key or xpadder exist for several years already, the only thing the console will take away from you is configuring they controller. but it was fun, indeed. so i think ppl will be happy with their consoles.
I think everybody that is saying this wont work isn't understanding what it is exactly. This isn't a platform for mobile games, the idea behind it is to bring the ease of development of mobile games back to a console platform. It isn't meant to destroy the current console market and take it's spot at #1 console either. It's not some huge company making a console to try to compete, it's a small group of people who are working on something they think is important to gaming, as of right now if they sell no more consoles it will still be a success for them. And for consumers, you don't even have to worry if future games for the platform suck or not, because for $100 you get the android powered system where you can install any android apps and run them on your TV... So it's basically a super cheap media center with the ability to browse the web, use all kinds of useful apps, listen to music, stream movies, whatever.... $100!! such a steal.
Would like to remind people who are still very much questioning this, that this will be a haven for emulators. Ever used a gameboy emulator on an android phone? Yeah, it sucks fag, but that's because of the controller, nothing else. I'm sure you could even make a psx emulator with these specs, though I wouldn't keep my hopes up since it seems difficult to make decent psx emulators even for PC :/
Also, remember that you can do more things with android phones than most people might realize... personally, I often download TV series using aDownloader and watch them immediately on my phone with VLC Android, and this would be amazing functionality connected to a TV. And that's just the beginning.
Getting developers to make game for your console is the greatest challenge. It almost doesn't matter how amazing or innovative a person is because established consoles have guaranteed market penetration and that is half the battle.
The path for success on an item like this would be, in my mind, to have really amazing console specific titles for which people buy the hardware. We are talking something in the order of magnitude of Zelda or Modern Warfare.
This seems really cool. 100 bucks is a steal I think.. Almost worth it for twitch.tv alone... Yeah you can drag a cable through your house and connect it to your PC but.. hassle. Will def follow this
On July 11 2012 06:31 rbx270j wrote: For as long as I've been looking at the page(s), it's been going up at roughly $2,000 per minute. crazy.
I watched the video and then I refreshed, jumped from 1 mil 88K to 1mil 111K o_o
I always thought valve would be first out the blocks creating something like this, however it does look interesting. Will keep my eye on it, however the hardware specs seem to be lacking imo.
Are people retarded? Look at the system specs...a quadcore processor, 8GB of ram, and 1080p hdmi support...this obviously isn't a console meant to churn out iphone games. This is a console meant to support the indie game development community with the aim of competing with major consoles.
On July 11 2012 08:02 PH wrote: Are people retarded? Look at the system specs...a quadcore processor, 8GB of ram, and 1080p hdmi support...this obviously isn't a console meant to churn out iphone games. This is a console meant to support the indie game development community with the aim of competing with major consoles.
How ass-up retarded can you possibly be?
It's only 1GB of RAM and 8GB of storage through an SSD. -_-
On July 11 2012 08:02 PH wrote: Are people retarded? Look at the system specs...a quadcore processor, 8GB of ram, and 1080p hdmi support...this obviously isn't a console meant to churn out iphone games. This is a console meant to support the indie game development community with the aim of competing with major consoles.
How ass-up retarded can you possibly be?
It's too weak to compare to both Xbox 360 and PS3, which are already way past their prime. I recommend people to not expect modern AAA titles on this, there's no way it can support it. Remember, even if it had similar specs to modern consoles, it's still android, you have to work with Java, which is far slower and the C/C++ used in top of the line games.
What you should expect is not Crysis 3, more like Xbox live arcade.
for me its also interesting how big the box is going to be.
imo nowadays when you have a a few products (playstation, hifi, dvd player etc) in the living room there is not much space left. i would just like it to be small.
On July 11 2012 08:02 PH wrote: Are people retarded? Look at the system specs...a quadcore processor, 8GB of ram, and 1080p hdmi support...this obviously isn't a console meant to churn out iphone games. This is a console meant to support the indie game development community with the aim of competing with major consoles.
How ass-up retarded can you possibly be?
It's only 1GB of RAM and 8GB of storage through an SSD. -_-
But those specs will let you run about any game up to last generation of consoles, And the device itself uses standard bluetooth and usb peripherals so you can expand it however you like. So any external hard drive solution would work. In fact, in the FAQs, the company suggests you just open it up and mod it yourself, as it uses standard screws and parts, and you're welcome to hack whatever software on it that you could want. Essentially it's a console made for TV, but designed with the openness of the PC world.
That's why it's so exciting; Literally any established game developer can just jam their game onto the system and it should work, and the cost to do so is very low since there are no licensing fees or awkward proprietary hardware/software to deal with. For example, Notch has said he'd love to put minecraft on it provided its actually successful (and it seems to be).
On July 11 2012 08:07 bailando wrote: for me its also interesting how big the box is going to be.
imo nowadays when you have a a few products (playstation, hifi, dvd player etc) in the living room there is not much space left. i would just like it to be small.
There's one picture where you can kind of see it, it's definitely very small (it looks smaller than a wii), which makes sense because it doesn't have a disk drive to worry about!
And yes, while this wont 100% compete with the xbox/ps3 in raw power, it wont be super far behind. The only issue that it has is the lack of a GPU. And while the processor in it will do a decent job with graphics, it will never live up to PS3 standards (let alone next gen, but that's no big deal)
Even with that, people need to also see that at $100 it can't be expected to perform as well as the PS3 which cost a shit ton of money when it first came out (AND SONY WAS STILL LOSING MONEY ON IT) lol. But if this platform is successful, it paves the way for other more powerful models to come out. So everybody should be excited regardless of if they buy it or not, because no matter what it will shake things up and we will see interesting things emerge.
To be honest, CS 1.6 or BW could run on this – so anyone could make a great game with this sort of technology. I think this is good because indie developers can make a game fans want, and not a game that the corporations want. And to the people bashing the tech in it, on the Kickstarter page it invites people to hack the hardware...who says you can't upgrade the HDD? Or add your own RAM? It's a little early to shoot those parts down.
So happy that this is getting the funding it needs... will deffo invest if it comes to the UK and cannot wait for it to be hacked and actually have a media center that works and not a mess like my PS3 that will only play certain files or my 360 that wants me to pay to do anything
On July 11 2012 08:52 baldgye wrote: holy shit they blew away there goal already!!!
So happy that this is getting the funding it needs... will deffo invest if it comes to the UK and cannot wait for it to be hacked and actually have a media center that works and not a mess like my PS3 that will only play certain files or my 360 that wants me to pay to do anything
I think if they want a real chance in making something out of this, they should really be gearing it and advertising it as a "media center". A cheap, easy way to stream internet to your TV (and also play a few games). Advertising it as a game console just isn't going to appeal to too many.
What is the target customer? They guy who loves gadgetry and spends money on it already has everything the Ouya does. Someone with a tablet and a decent PC isn't really getting anything new here -- the differences people are pointing at are way too nuanced. Some kid who wants his first console for Christmas is going to want something that can play the latest Call of Duty that all of his friends are playing.
As someone else said, if they want to be a gaming console first -- then you need some sick, mass-appealing titles like the other consoles have.
Or they need more appeal than just being a lackluster game console for indie devs. They need to market it more as an all-purpose media device for your TV with lots of internet functionality. Make it come with a keyboard, not a gamepad (or both). Just my opinion.
On July 11 2012 08:52 baldgye wrote: holy shit they blew away there goal already!!!
So happy that this is getting the funding it needs... will deffo invest if it comes to the UK and cannot wait for it to be hacked and actually have a media center that works and not a mess like my PS3 that will only play certain files or my 360 that wants me to pay to do anything
I think if they want a real chance in making something out of this, they should really be gearing it and advertising it as a "media center". A cheap, easy way to stream internet to your TV (and also play a few games). Advertising it as a game console just isn't going to appeal to too many.
What is the target customer? They guy who loves gadgetry and spends money on it already has everything the Ouya does. Someone with a tablet and a decent PC isn't really getting anything new here -- the differences people are pointing at are way too nuanced. Some kid who wants his first console for Christmas is going to want something that can play the latest Call of Duty that all of his friends are playing.
As someone else said, if they want to be a gaming console first -- then you need some sick, mass-appealing titles like the other consoles have.
Or they need more appeal than just being a lackluster game console for indie devs. They need to market it more as an all-purpose media device for your TV with lots of internet functionality. Make it come with a keyboard, not a gamepad (or both). Just my opinion.
This thought line basically made me decide against backing this. It seems like an interesting concept. but it isn't really offering me anything that I don't already have (as a consumer).
They keep bumping the $99 reward. It's up to 20k total now :D So there's about 9k left for purchase! I think this is great for them that they have so much support for a small console that doesn't even have games yet! I wish people here would stop thinking that this is meant to go head to head against the PS3/360. It's not, so please stop talking about it like it is. This fills a niche market for people who want something they can hook up to their TV and play fun, innovative games that are lacking in the current console market. It's meant to have an easy way to publish your own games that you create (or indie devs, or hell even AAA studios if they want) but it's not a huge corporation that needs to sell 30mil units to make a profit. This isn't Sony , Microsoft, Nintendo, who all employ THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE that need to get paid. This thing is cheap, fun, useful. But it is not meant to replace hardcore games and the consoles that those hardcore games are on. It's meant to bring the fun, unique aspect of games into your living room, instead of just on your phone. And no, not phone ports, new games but since it's in a easy development environment you wont need a huge team to make a game.
They've currently sold like 14000 consoles, I'm sure this is pushing the limit of what their hopes for the console would do. It's an indie console. Just like indie games, they aren't created expecting to sell millions, but sometimes it happens (minecraft anyone?) so these guys can HOPE that it happens, but when they started this they were probably thinking if they could do 10000 consoles that would be huge.
On July 11 2012 10:14 Essbee wrote: As a game developer, the hardware specs looks kinda weak.
I'm really excited for it tho.
They aren't weak when compared to current consoles (as long as you ignore the lack of GPU) There's only 512MB RAM in both the PS3 and 360.
Oh that's cool to know, thanks for the info sir. I never really payed attention to PS3/XBOX360 specs :/
So why are people saying this can't compete with them?
well few reasons
1. you have Direct access to the hardware on consoles. On ps3 its common to construct GPU command buffers in the SPE's and send it direct to gpu's command buffer via DMA copies. you won't get that kind of control.
2. 360 and PS3's cpu are designed for high float-point performance. In the case of PS3's cell processor, the top of the line desktop cpu can't match its theoretical GFLOP performance (other things hold it back however).
3. Having more ram is good, nice even.. But you can look at the PSVita vs PS3, where Vita has more ram (And superior cpu/gpu compared to this 'console') but can't quite match the same performance/visual effects of a 360/ps3 (it comes close, but if you have a keen eye you can see huge differences).
On July 11 2012 10:14 Essbee wrote: As a game developer, the hardware specs looks kinda weak.
I'm really excited for it tho.
They aren't weak when compared to current consoles (as long as you ignore the lack of GPU) There's only 512MB RAM in both the PS3 and 360.
Oh that's cool to know, thanks for the info sir. I never really payed attention to PS3/XBOX360 specs :/
So why are people saying this can't compete with them?
well few reasons
1. you have Direct access to the hardware on consoles. On ps3 its common to construct GPU command buffers in the SPE's and send it direct to gpu's command buffer via DMA copies. you won't get that kind of control.
2. 360 and PS3's cpu are designed for high float-point performance. In the case of PS3's cell processor, the top of the line desktop cpu can't match its theoretical GFLOP performance (other things hold it back however).
3. Having more ram is good, nice even.. But you can look at the PSVita vs PS3, where Vita has more ram (And superior cpu/gpu compared to this 'console') but can't quite match the same performance/visual effects of a 360/ps3 (it comes close, but if you have a keen eye you can see huge differences).
On July 11 2012 10:14 Essbee wrote: As a game developer, the hardware specs looks kinda weak.
I'm really excited for it tho.
They aren't weak when compared to current consoles (as long as you ignore the lack of GPU) There's only 512MB RAM in both the PS3 and 360.
Oh that's cool to know, thanks for the info sir. I never really payed attention to PS3/XBOX360 specs :/
So why are people saying this can't compete with them?
well few reasons
1. you have Direct access to the hardware on consoles. On ps3 its common to construct GPU command buffers in the SPE's and send it direct to gpu's command buffer via DMA copies. you won't get that kind of control.
2. 360 and PS3's cpu are designed for high float-point performance. In the case of PS3's cell processor, the top of the line desktop cpu can't match its theoretical GFLOP performance (other things hold it back however).
3. Having more ram is good, nice even.. But you can look at the PSVita vs PS3, where Vita has more ram (And superior cpu/gpu compared to this 'console') but can't quite match the same performance/visual effects of a 360/ps3 (it comes close, but if you have a keen eye you can see huge differences).
blah blah.
I see, thanks.
Basically if this had a GPU, it would be able to do anything a PS2/Xbox could do as far as game quality, but adding that in you might as well go the full route of making it an actual comparable console to the PS3/360 and using a better processor and GPU, which would then make this think cost $300-400 rather than $100.
But as it is now, you should still be able to get decentish 3D games, it wont be battlefield 3, but it wont be quake either At least in theory. haha.
It's not designed to be a powerhouse, it's supposed to be cheap. While it won't run call of battlefield (*sob* right) it would most certainly be capable of running games like gunstar heroes, battletoads, mario party, herzog zwei, super smash tv... good old hotseat console fun.
Android is a massive platform and it's about time such an idea has come up.
Unfortunately...oh. It's an actual physical independent console. I thought it was more of a mobile game platform. Still interested in what it might turnout to be.
The problem with things like this and current smartphones is that they honestly dont have much of a lifespan. If i buy a 3ds i can be guaranteed that there will be games for it for at least 5 years. If i buy one of these I would probably be lucky to get 2 years out of it at most. My tegra 2 tablet is already feeling old and slow so i already know how fast things move in the mobile world.
On July 11 2012 14:58 Newbistic wrote: I'll believe it when I see it. This is like that Indian company that's trying to make a $2000 car, except for video games.
Regardless of how the console itself turns out, it will be the game library that makes or breaks the console.
It'll be basically Android/iPhone games, but you'll be playing them with a cheap controller on your TV. I don't see any real game developer wasting time/resources to make games for this "console."
I think it'll end up the same as the Phantom console, and OnLive did. In the ground.
It won't have any of the big pull exclusives that Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony has. It's Android open source which means people will crack it and just download all the games on it just like people did on the PSP. Game sales on the PSP were horrible overall due to the ease of modding.
Does the specs even allow for 720p or 1080p output with decent graphics?
If you want a media center solution there's Mac Minis or HTPCs that actually do everything you'd want from a entertainment center. They also provide DTS HD sound, network streaming (HD audio/video), a fully functional and updated browser for stream viewing, gaming, emulators, and full compatability with every current computer peripheral (more or less).
Watching Twitch on a iphone or ipad isn't really possible atm because the apps are so shitty, how will they work in this machine? It seems to promise alot but in the end it won't deliver.
On July 11 2012 18:57 karpo wrote: It won't have any of the big pull exclusives that Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony has. It's Android open source which means people will crack it and just download all the games on it just like people did on the PSP. Game sales on the PSP were horrible overall due to the ease of modding.
Does the specs even allow for 720p or 1080p output with decent graphics?
If you want a media center solution there's Mac Minis or HTPCs that actually do everything you'd want from a entertainment center. They also provide DTS HD sound, network streaming (HD audio/video), a fully functional and updated browser for stream viewing, gaming, emulators, and full compatability with every current computer peripheral (more or less).
Watching Twitch on a iphone or ipad isn't really possible atm because the apps are so shitty, how will they work in this machine? It seems to promise alot but in the end it won't deliver.
...the exact same applies for anything on the Google Play store, and if a phone or tablet with similar specs can output 720p on a small screen, it can do the same for a large screen. This thing costs $100, have you ever browsed similar android devices for $100?
Games on this console won't be pirated because they will cost very little. The only reason anything gets pirated on other platforms is that the games cost $50+ simply because the developers must pay so much for the SDK and developing rights.
It costs next to nothing (practically free) to release a game on an open source platform, and the idea of a console is so there is a much bigger player base.
On July 11 2012 18:57 karpo wrote: It won't have any of the big pull exclusives that Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony has. It's Android open source which means people will crack it and just download all the games on it just like people did on the PSP. Game sales on the PSP were horrible overall due to the ease of modding.
Does the specs even allow for 720p or 1080p output with decent graphics?
If you want a media center solution there's Mac Minis or HTPCs that actually do everything you'd want from a entertainment center. They also provide DTS HD sound, network streaming (HD audio/video), a fully functional and updated browser for stream viewing, gaming, emulators, and full compatability with every current computer peripheral (more or less).
Watching Twitch on a iphone or ipad isn't really possible atm because the apps are so shitty, how will they work in this machine? It seems to promise alot but in the end it won't deliver.
...the exact same applies for anything on the Google Play store, and if a phone or tablet with similar specs can output 720p on a small screen, it can do the same for a large screen. This thing costs $100, have you ever browsed similar android devices for $100?
Games on this console won't be pirated because they will cost very little. The only reason anything gets pirated on other platforms is that the games cost $50+ simply because the developers must pay so much for the SDK and developing rights.
It costs next to nothing (practically free) to release a game on an open source platform, and the idea of a console is so there is a much bigger player base.
Do those games actually output 720p or 1080p though, or do the upscale them?
You don't seem to well read on pirating. There was a indie dev that sold their game at around $10 and yet it had hundreds of thousands of torrent downloads. People don't pirate just because games are expensive, people pirate because they can.
If the device and a controller costs $100 i'd wait a while because there's a large risk of shit build quality. Especially considering it's supposed to be both the "console" and a controller with a touchpad. The console won't reach a big audience as people don't know about it, it doesn't have any first party stuff that people recognize nor does it do anything better than regular consoles or a PC does.
People play mobile games on their phones because it's a simple thing to do on the bus or when waiting for someone. If you want to play on a large TV there's better options. God knows there's already a shit ton of indie games on PSN, Live, Steam, and flash/java on the web.
On July 11 2012 18:57 karpo wrote: It won't have any of the big pull exclusives that Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony has. It's Android open source which means people will crack it and just download all the games on it just like people did on the PSP. Game sales on the PSP were horrible overall due to the ease of modding.
Does the specs even allow for 720p or 1080p output with decent graphics?
If you want a media center solution there's Mac Minis or HTPCs that actually do everything you'd want from a entertainment center. They also provide DTS HD sound, network streaming (HD audio/video), a fully functional and updated browser for stream viewing, gaming, emulators, and full compatability with every current computer peripheral (more or less).
Watching Twitch on a iphone or ipad isn't really possible atm because the apps are so shitty, how will they work in this machine? It seems to promise alot but in the end it won't deliver.
...the exact same applies for anything on the Google Play store, and if a phone or tablet with similar specs can output 720p on a small screen, it can do the same for a large screen. This thing costs $100, have you ever browsed similar android devices for $100?
Games on this console won't be pirated because they will cost very little. The only reason anything gets pirated on other platforms is that the games cost $50+ simply because the developers must pay so much for the SDK and developing rights.
It costs next to nothing (practically free) to release a game on an open source platform, and the idea of a console is so there is a much bigger player base.
Do those games actually output 720p or 1080p though, or do the upscale them?
You don't seem to well read on pirating. There was a indie dev that sold their game at around $10 and yet it had hundreds of thousands of torrent downloads. People don't pirate just because games are expensive, people pirate because they can.
If the device and a controller costs $100 i'd wait a while because there's a large risk of shit build quality. Especially considering it's supposed to be both the "console" and a controller with a touchpad. The console won't reach a big audience as people don't know about it, it doesn't have any first party stuff that people recognize nor does it do anything better than regular consoles or a PC does.
People play mobile games on their phones because it's a simple thing to do on the bus or when waiting for someone. If you want to play on a large TV there's better options. God knows there's already a shit ton of indie games on PSN, Live, Steam, and flash/java on the web.
Perhaps the indication that every developer pack is already sold out means there is first party games being planned already? There's never been a way to release indie games on consoles prior to this, Wii had quite a large amount of "homebrew" games and there was no mainstream production as there was no way to make any real profit.
It's going to be released in March 2013 - and it seems to already be well developed. They already have plenty of backers, and if this succeeds, they will probably end up releasing updated versions with more powerful hardware along the line. The development of this console is in no way a bad thing for gamers - so I'm not sure why anyone is being cynical towards the concept.
Again, and has been said before, this console isn't designed to just play existing android applications on it, there is already plenty of designers on board who will make games solely for this device. There was a few games that were released solely for the Sony Xperia play in mind and there will be countless more games developed for this device.
On July 11 2012 18:57 karpo wrote: It won't have any of the big pull exclusives that Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony has. It's Android open source which means people will crack it and just download all the games on it just like people did on the PSP. Game sales on the PSP were horrible overall due to the ease of modding.
Does the specs even allow for 720p or 1080p output with decent graphics?
If you want a media center solution there's Mac Minis or HTPCs that actually do everything you'd want from a entertainment center. They also provide DTS HD sound, network streaming (HD audio/video), a fully functional and updated browser for stream viewing, gaming, emulators, and full compatability with every current computer peripheral (more or less).
Watching Twitch on a iphone or ipad isn't really possible atm because the apps are so shitty, how will they work in this machine? It seems to promise alot but in the end it won't deliver.
...the exact same applies for anything on the Google Play store, and if a phone or tablet with similar specs can output 720p on a small screen, it can do the same for a large screen. This thing costs $100, have you ever browsed similar android devices for $100?
Games on this console won't be pirated because they will cost very little. The only reason anything gets pirated on other platforms is that the games cost $50+ simply because the developers must pay so much for the SDK and developing rights.
It costs next to nothing (practically free) to release a game on an open source platform, and the idea of a console is so there is a much bigger player base.
Do those games actually output 720p or 1080p though, or do the upscale them?
You don't seem to well read on pirating. There was a indie dev that sold their game at around $10 and yet it had hundreds of thousands of torrent downloads. People don't pirate just because games are expensive, people pirate because they can.
If the device and a controller costs $100 i'd wait a while because there's a large risk of shit build quality. Especially considering it's supposed to be both the "console" and a controller with a touchpad. The console won't reach a big audience as people don't know about it, it doesn't have any first party stuff that people recognize nor does it do anything better than regular consoles or a PC does.
People play mobile games on their phones because it's a simple thing to do on the bus or when waiting for someone. If you want to play on a large TV there's better options. God knows there's already a shit ton of indie games on PSN, Live, Steam, and flash/java on the web.
Perhaps the indication that every developer pack is already sold out means there is first party games being planned already? There's never been a way to release indie games on consoles prior to this, Wii had quite a large amount of "homebrew" games and there was no mainstream production as there was no way to make any real profit.
It's going to be released in March 2013 - and it seems to already be well developed. They already have plenty of backers, and if this succeeds, they will probably end up releasing updated versions with more powerful hardware along the line. The development of this console is in no way a bad thing for gamers - so I'm not sure why anyone is being cynical towards the concept.
Again, and has been said before, this console isn't designed to just play android applications on it, there is already plenty of designers on board who will make games solely for this device. There was a few games that were released solely for the Sony Xperia play in mind and there will be countless more games developed for this device.
I just don't see the appeal. You've got console gaming that is getting better and better at releasing quality cheap "indie" stuff and you got cheap simple phone games. The Ouya fill no niche for me. I'd rather buy a real console that provides AAA titles as well as lots of cheap indie stuff than this low end console that 100% can't deliver any of the AAA the big 3 have.
When did this thing start up? I mean, this has been on TL for a full day and they pretty much filled all their pledge spots? That's great. I like the idea. Still thinking about pledging 99, but it seems I won't have too much time to think about it at this rate.
It's pointless to compare the price if the gaming community already owns/purchase hardware that supercedes this. The hardware specs are shallow but it's certainly not weak. You can't compare it with anything side from pure gaming consoles as it doesn't do anything else
It's not about how many supporters/sponsors they have before release, that simply means they aren't going to go bankrupt in the development. But why would people design games for this? The indie programmers use PC. They design for the PC for the gigantic internet community and they design for the mobile users because it is covering areas where an immoble computer cannot.
I can't imagine writing the same game twice because some new platform came out for a not-yet existant community. Or writing a game for a not-yet existant community and ignoring PC gamers. They're not huge developers. It's individuals and small groups struggling to get attention for their hard work and putting so much time in a sketchy platform just seems like an irrational goal. Famous indie developers like ZUN and Notch didn't make program their game so it runs on pc, mac, mobile phones, browser flash and consoles. It's a waste of a time that they as a indie developer do not have.
On July 11 2012 22:13 Louis8k8 wrote:The indie programmers use PC. They design for the PC for the gigantic internet community and they design for the mobile users because it is covering areas where an immoble computer cannot.
On July 11 2012 22:13 Louis8k8 wrote: It's pointless to compare the price if the gaming community already owns/purchase hardware that supercedes this. The hardware specs are shallow but it's certainly not weak. You can't compare it with anything side from pure gaming consoles as it doesn't do anything else
It's not about how many supporters/sponsors they have before release, that simply means they aren't going to go bankrupt in the development. But why would people design games for this? The indie programmers use PC. They design for the PC for the gigantic internet community and they design for the mobile users because it is covering areas where an immoble computer cannot.
I can't imagine writing the same game twice because some new platform came out for a not-yet existant community. Or writing a game for a not-yet existant community and ignoring PC gamers. They're not huge developers. It's individuals and small groups struggling to get attention for their hard work and putting so much time in a sketchy platform just seems like an irrational goal. Famous indie developers like ZUN and Notch didn't make program their game so it runs on pc, mac, mobile phones, browser flash and consoles. It's a waste of a time that they as a indie developer do not have.
Thing is, right now there is no way for an indie dev to put a game into a console. This console allows it. That's why there is so much support for it.
I'm gonna buy one, mainly cause I'm a hobbyist developer. I was tempted to buy an Iphone just to test out my games, but this is a much better solution for me. I also don't have a game pad for my PC so this is like killing 2 birds with 1 stone for me.
I'm trying to figure out why half the replies in this thread are completely clueless variations of "why would I play phone games on my TV?". Sure you could play phone games on this, but you can also develop better ones. The fact that it's a completely open platform just makes it incredibly easy to port them over so yes there will be tons of ported games of all varieties regardless of what platform they were originally designed for.
I'm more interested in the pricing model, the most successful indie games are free with cash-ins for dedicated players to improve their experience, I hope they implement some kind of model to facilitate this process.
On July 11 2012 22:13 Louis8k8 wrote: It's pointless to compare the price if the gaming community already owns/purchase hardware that supercedes this. The hardware specs are shallow but it's certainly not weak. You can't compare it with anything side from pure gaming consoles as it doesn't do anything else
It's not about how many supporters/sponsors they have before release, that simply means they aren't going to go bankrupt in the development. But why would people design games for this? The indie programmers use PC. They design for the PC for the gigantic internet community and they design for the mobile users because it is covering areas where an immoble computer cannot.
I can't imagine writing the same game twice because some new platform came out for a not-yet existant community. Or writing a game for a not-yet existant community and ignoring PC gamers. They're not huge developers. It's individuals and small groups struggling to get attention for their hard work and putting so much time in a sketchy platform just seems like an irrational goal. Famous indie developers like ZUN and Notch didn't make program their game so it runs on pc, mac, mobile phones, browser flash and consoles. It's a waste of a time that they as a indie developer do not have.
The android SDK kit lets you develop for every platform. Windows, mac, linux or mobile and import library/language that can be compiled to ARM or x86 native code. That basically means porting over your game to this console will take all of 5 minutes for a developer.
Mobile games are popular because theyre easy to access... but trying to make people buy something that they can only use through their TV? Seems unpractical, especially because so many people aldready own a PS3 or XBOX360, even if they dont they most likely have a PC in their home or nintendo.
The only people who aren't skeptical are those who don't realize that you already have two open-source devices that can emulate other consoles: your computer and your smartphone. This is a giant scam.
This a joke? You won't be able to make/play anything worthwhile with this kind of power. I mean, I could just download an emulator for an old console and have thousands of games of similar quality at my fingertips...or the wii/xbox/ps3 marketplace.
On July 12 2012 00:36 SirKibbleX wrote: The only people who aren't skeptical are those who don't realize that you already have two open-source devices that can emulate other consoles: your computer and your smartphone. This is a giant scam.
This a joke? You won't be able to make/play anything worthwhile with this kind of power. I mean, I could just download an emulator for an old console and have thousands of games of similar quality at my fingertips...or the wii/xbox/ps3 marketplace
I agree with the main idea, but I don't know why you'd harp on the 1gb of RAM on a $100 console. You do realize that both the PS3 and Xbox 360 have significantly less than 1gb of RAM?
This is essentially a phone with an HDMI output and dedicated wireless controllers. (Without an antenna, a screen, and all that phone stuff).
On July 11 2012 00:24 Torte de Lini wrote: I don't find anything appealing about mobile/web games. I never did since the n-gage and never will. I still love my Nintendo DS. To me, I just find the games are either lackluster, subpar, or their edginess is graphics or gameplay to be still below technology that's dedicated purely for games.
Then again, I've never played Angry Birds.
Read whole post, then realise he knows nothing of what he talks about. Never played angry birds? U SRS?!?! (i joke, me neither XD)
Looks interesting, but i dont know how it can compete in the market really. I just got an iphone and that shit is amazing, does everything i want it to in one object. Will this thing browse the internet, play music and make phone calls, plus be my gps? XD
It is actually slightly less powerful than tablets currently on the market. Don't start making up false information. It is a neat device, but right now it falls squarely into the "toy" category. It has a ton of hurdles to overcome before it becomes a serious product. I think that if most of the backers understood this concept they likely would of thought twice.
It is actually slightly less powerful than tablets currently on the market. Don't start making up false information. It is a naet device, but right now it falls squarely into the "toy" category. It has a ton of hurdles to overcome before it becomes a serious product. I think that if most of the backers understood this concept they likely would of thought twice.
You're kidding right? It's $100.. they set out to design a console that costs $100. They came up with something that's already pushing it to be under $100, and yet you compare it to a tablet which costs multiple times the consoles price?
I don't get it. If it does become popular, they are likely to release more powerful versions, the issues are obviously the fact that video drivers will limit the hardware for android.
On July 12 2012 00:00 EAGER-beaver wrote: I'm more interested in the pricing model, the most successful indie games are free with cash-ins for dedicated players to improve their experience, I hope they implement some kind of model to facilitate this process.
They have already stated that all games published MUST be f2p or at least have a playable demo version.
This a joke? You won't be able to make/play anything worthwhile with this kind of power. I mean, I could just download an emulator for an old console and have thousands of games of similar quality at my fingertips...or the wii/xbox/ps3 marketplace
Both, Xbox 360 and PS3 have only 512MB RAM It would have been nice if the Tegra3 had been a Tegra4 processor, but for a 99$ console, I can't really complain.
On July 12 2012 00:36 SirKibbleX wrote: The only people who aren't skeptical are those who don't realize that you already have two open-source devices that can emulate other consoles: your computer and your smartphone. This is a giant scam.
Obviously, the idea is to bring these games into your living room. By your argument, all everything that isn't a PC is a giant scam?
Also, alot of people still haven't understood that this isn't about playing Angry Birds on your HD TV. This is about allowing any developer to publish games without going through alot of trouble. Something that until now has been restricted to mobile games and the pc.
Why would someone give money on Kickstarter? Do they get something beyond these "rewards"? Why shouldn't this company seek investors like any other company?
On July 12 2012 01:11 crojar wrote: Why would someone give money on Kickstarter? Do they get something beyond these "rewards"? Why shouldn't this company seek investors like any other company?
Because they can use Kickstarter. Need some more help?
I don't get why people are hyped for this. What does this thing deliver than isn't already available on the market in some form? It seems like a nice device for people who can't afford a smartphone or laptop, but it's so limited in it's use.
On July 12 2012 00:35 Ronski wrote: Mobile games are popular because theyre easy to access... but trying to make people buy something that they can only use through their TV? Seems unpractical, especially because so many people aldready own a PS3 or XBOX360, even if they dont they most likely have a PC in their home or nintendo.
I dont see a consumer who needs such devise?
Exactly. Programmers are only looking at the developing side, not the market side. Android and other game are popular for several reasons.
1)You already have the device for other reasons, phone internet.
2)You have downtime with your phone that you cant use to do other things. Riding on the bus or airplane, even the most casual gamer type will find games the best use of their time.
3)Its hard to find free games for phones, especially in the pre-iPhone days when all software was closed. You cant pirate mobile games with the ease of PC games.
Keep in mind, this console will be ideal for indie games, but it will likely be only used for indie games. Any commercial developer will want some juice behind it, an established user base. You might argue that if this become popular, then commercial development will come. But why would it become popular if there are no commercial games? Will people just buy this so they can surf the web on their TV?
On July 11 2012 00:55 KimJongChill wrote: Ehh, I don't see this kicking off. I just don't see mobile games really being that big or important enough to warrant their own console and tv.
I think there is some underestimation of the level of quality games that could be made for such a device as well as ports of older games if at all possible. There are some amazing looking games on phones and tablets that aren't your average farmville but have full blown 3d graphics.
This is a great idea and the money raised is an indication of the level of interest this could really achieve.
Power to the indie developers because thats where most developers were before becoming big.
It is actually slightly less powerful than tablets currently on the market. Don't start making up false information. It is a naet device, but right now it falls squarely into the "toy" category. It has a ton of hurdles to overcome before it becomes a serious product. I think that if most of the backers understood this concept they likely would of thought twice.
You are right, and PC is a much more powerful platform as well. I'll update OP. However it does allow for a different experience for the deveper on making games. This platforms helps indy developers reach a different audience (console gamers), which I dont believe has been done before.
On July 12 2012 01:11 crojar wrote: Why would someone give money on Kickstarter? Do they get something beyond these "rewards"? Why shouldn't this company seek investors like any other company?
Tim Schafer explained it pretty good: "If we where to pitch this idea to investors and publishers, they would laugh in our face. Yet there is a market for it. So why not let the costumers decide what gets made?" or along those words. It basically lets costumers help out stuff to get made, that would otherwise never have. I'm interested in the Ouya and think it has a lot of potential, so I chipped in as well. Whetever it actually turns out a hit or not is yet to see (altough the "hit 3 times the required amount in a day should be an indication), but at the very least I get to be part of creating something new.
If you're really nervous though, the Ouya will be released for sale to the general public at a later time anyways, so its not like you're missing out by not contributing to their kickstarter.
It is actually slightly less powerful than tablets currently on the market. Don't start making up false information. It is a naet device, but right now it falls squarely into the "toy" category. It has a ton of hurdles to overcome before it becomes a serious product. I think that if most of the backers understood this concept they likely would of thought twice.
You're kidding right? It's $100.. they set out to design a console that costs $100. They came up with something that's already pushing it to be under $100, and yet you compare it to a tablet which costs multiple times the consoles price?
I don't get it. If it does become popular, they are likely to release more powerful versions, the issues are obviously the fact that video drivers will limit the hardware for android.
No, you simply lack a conceptual understanding of a few very important principles.
1) The tablet is more expensive due to the built in LCD (most of the price) and form factor size restrictions. 2) Since the console does not have those restrictions the price factor to build and sell is drastically reduced. As such comparing hardware to hardware is quite viable.
The point however was not about the price, that is largely irrelevant. The point is that it is a android based platform and its current specs are only comparable to tablets already out. There was a comment in the OP about giving developers access to more powerful hardware and I simply called that out as a false statement as it is not more powerful.
So now it becomes a question of what it competes against. Does it compete against tablets and mobile devices? Well it certainly can't do that for obvious reasons. So can it compete against like products? Well from a hardware standpoint, no it cannot. It simply does not have the horsepower to do so. Might they release more powerful versions later? Possible, but they will either be significantly more expensive or be behind current tech by about the same amount thus keeping the device relegated to a fairly small niche.
So it has to be evolved to do something more than it is currently touted. Why? Well if it wants to go head to head with existing consoles, you can have a Wii for as little as $40 more and have far more access to gaming. If you think little games like Angry birds would actually compete on a console you are sorely mistaken. Games like that while fun are only so because of the fact that they are convenient, cheap and work on mobile platforms. Eliminate the mobile part of that and they lose most if not all of their appeal. Right now this device is trying to bring those mobile games to a console environment and frankly it just doesn't work from a marketability standpoint. In turn you have to consider the lengths the big 3 would go to quash competition. If you think for a moment that Nintendo, MS and Sony wouldn't slash prices on a low end version of their consoles to effectively kill any appeal for this, you would be dead wrong. Simply put, head to head console competition for this thing is product suicide.
Now, where it could potentially shine if the developers are smart and assuming they can avoid getting destroyed with legal posturing. 1) A console that also serves as an HTPC and media stream device. Eliminate the restrictions that current consoles have on things like netflix, hulu, Amazon prime etc by being completely open like a PC and this suddenly reaches a large demographic. 2) An Emulator box - this would obviously appeal to the homebrew community as you could play roms with a semi decent controller. The biggest complaint on most android emus is touchscreen controls are horrid to say the least. The problem here comes in this grabbing legal attention of the publishers. While they couldn't directly win if the console didn't directly provide roms, they could keep them tied up in courts long enough to exhaust them financially if they wanted. The reality is this is a very large possibility with this device. Given how much cheaper it is than your typical smartphone/tablet, it may well warrant more attention from the publishers when it comes to roms. 3) More powerful hardware, a slightly higher price point and steam integration. Frankly I think they are selling themselves short by keeping the price so low. They are boxing themselves into a very small niche of user appeal because the hardware is so weak compared to its direct competition. Throw slightly more powerful hardware in it, put it around the $150-$200 price point and allow steam integration. This alone would make the device extremely appealing to gamer's and indi devs because it has a much larger market and offers something that no other console on the market offers. I can't imagine valve not being extremely interested in something like this as they only stand to benefit from it.
Unfortunately as it stands, it is just this generations phantom promising tons of stuff without any real means to deliver any of it.
It just reached 3 million after like 1½ days or whatever. So clearly there is a demand for it. I can't wait to see what happens with this.
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They keep bumping this up. I wonder how many they will have to produce lol.
Thinking very seriously if I should back it or not.. It's only 100 bucks for what seems to be a great tool. Just curious what happens if they can't deliver does anyone know? Refunds? They have increased the amount from like 10K 20K and now 80K units. It could easily become problematic.
On July 12 2012 02:17 DwD wrote: It just reached 3 million after like 1½ days or whatever. So clearly there is a demand for it. I can't wait to see what happens with this.
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They keep bumping this up. I wonder how many they will have to produce lol
23,000+ backers seems like a lot, but keep in mind that it's basically 23,000 people preordering the console. Compare this to the number of preorders for the next generation of playstation and xbox if they became available tomorrow. individual games on standard consoles have received far more preorders than this entire console has. I like the idea, but even if it got off the ground, you just can't compete with billion dollar multi-national corporations.
If it did make it somewhere, I wouldn't put it past Sony or Microsoft to purchase the entire business and then destroy it, either intentionally or by trying to monetize it more.
On July 12 2012 02:17 DwD wrote: It just reached 3 million after like 1½ days or whatever. So clearly there is a demand for it. I can't wait to see what happens with this.
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They keep bumping this up. I wonder how many they will have to produce lol
23,000+ backers seems like a lot, but keep in mind that it's basically 23,000 people preordering the console. Compare this to the number of preorders for the next generation of playstation and xbox if they became available tomorrow. individual games on standard consoles have received far more preorders than this entire console has. I like the idea, but even if it got off the ground, you just can't compete with billion dollar multi-national corporations.
If it did make it somewhere, I wouldn't put it past Sony or Microsoft to purchase the entire business and then destroy it, either intentionally or by trying to monetize it more.
I'd be surprised if Sony or Microsoft were interested in such a small market. It's really not closely related to the xbox36/ps3 market, and reaches a completely different audience. This is toyish and will never be able to run the big blockbusters, so the big corps don't have to worry about losing sales here.
Not to mention, the purchase price of this console is low enough that it won't usually keep someone from buying the cookie-cutter home consoles.
On July 12 2012 02:40 YouMake wrote: I would def get it and try it out, but everyone is talking about it being $99, yet i didnt see anything in the video or read anything about a price.
When you pledge $99+ on kickstarter, you get the console and a controller.
People need to stop making comments along the lines of "Oh this is a PS3 ripoff wtf why would i buy this piece of shit" "Why would i want to play mobile games on my tv wtf fail" god. It's like you people didnt even bother reading the OP or watch the video on the kickstarter page. This isnt supposed to compete with either MS or Sony or Nintendo, its supposed to give indie developers a new way of publishing their games with more freedom, imagine games like super meat boy, shank, bastion, limbo, fez etc running on this, it would be awesome. Publishing games for sony or ms comes with a lot of strings attached, so the OUYA gives them a lot more freedom of how they publish their games. Even big publishers might be interested in publishing games.
This is neither for playing Mobile games on your tv so stop making such stupid comments, this is just supposed to give a more console friendly experience that indie developers cant give you on a pc or a mobile because they might not be able to publish on PSN or XBXLIVE. They can make some really nice looking games in this console, it wont look like Call of douchebags 3 but im sure good games will look awesome, there is more to games than graphics power (Okami???).
I will gladly buy one of these when its available and as someone who is sick with how terrible current AAA games are (CoD, AC, Halo etc) and loves to mess around with hardware/software I would love to see how i can modify this thing . Plus i'm sure there will be some great games available for it. You're getting a lot for 100$ machine with such a great open platform such as android, I was having my doubts about getting into Android but this made the decision for me should be fun.
I realize this is mostly to help Indy Devs get their names/games out there in one form, but the upcoming Steam Greenlight service seems infinitely better for Indy Devs wanting to get published.
Not that I know a lot of amateur game developers, but the handful that I do know don't really seem incredibly interested in this. They're more looking forward to the Greenlight service which comes out next month.
Sounds more like a scam than anything. Launching a console with no third-party titles, and making the estimate that 950,000$ would be enough for production, distribution, marketing and maintaining servers for whatever xbox live-clone they have in mind is absurd. Just indie titles won't cut it either, even if the console somehow would be produced, it would be impossible to market in any significant way.
On July 12 2012 02:49 TanKLoveR wrote: This is neither for playing Mobile games on your tv so stop making such stupid comments, this is just supposed to give a more console friendly experience that indie developers cant give you on a pc or a mobile because they might not be able to publish on PSN or XBXLIVE
Most of what you said is true, but don't get too excited. While it'll give developers ONE convenient path to publish their games, the console has many limitations, both in terms of the market size and the hardware, not to mention the fact that every game requires a free demo. [This is great for the customer, but some publishers don't like that]
One of the issues is that, even though the funding is going well, developers will only be willing to make their games available if the market is large enough. This could be an issue because even now, many developers choose not to even bother with android even though they have millions of devices in circulation. If the Ouya is a hit, then maybe there's going to be a bunch of games - but if not, there's no guarantee that it won't flop like Onlive, which has been running for years now but it doesn't have any games. And while there seems to be a lot of interest, it takes a lot of devices to have a viable market to sell your product. I know I'm not going to work my ass making a game for a niche of 100,000 people.
Also, the device's processor was essentially designed for tablets. It's a weak-ish quadcore, which, while it rocks for mobile devices, frankly kind of sucks if you want to power sexy 1080p graphics on a TV. It's enough for many games, but it limits the console's use, because some indie devs actually try to make games with modern graphics. While the Tegra3 makes sense because the device only costs $100, it's still kind of toy-ish, at least until some devs come up with something new.
On July 12 2012 02:49 TanKLoveR wrote: This is neither for playing Mobile games on your tv so stop making such stupid comments, this is just supposed to give a more console friendly experience that indie developers cant give you on a pc or a mobile because they might not be able to publish on PSN or XBXLIVE
Most of what you said is true, but don't get too excited. While it'll give developers ONE convenient path to publish their games, the console has many limitations, both in terms of the market size and the hardware, not to mention the fact that every game requires a free demo. [This is great for the customer, but some publishers don't like that]
One of the issues is that, even though the funding is going well, developers will only be willing to make their games available if the market is large enough. This could be an issue because even now, many developers choose not to even bother with android even though they have millions of devices in circulation. If the Ouya is a hit, then maybe there's going to be a bunch of games - but if not, there's no guarantee that it won't flop like Onlive, which has been running for years now but it doesn't have any games. And while there seems to be a lot of interest, it takes a lot of devices to have a viable market to sell your product. I know I'm not going to work my ass making a game for a niche of 100,000 people.
Also, the device's processor was essentially designed for tablets. It's a weak-ish quadcore, which, while it rocks for mobile devices, frankly kind of sucks if you want to power sexy 1080p graphics on a TV. It's enough for many games, but it limits the console's use, because some indie devs actually try to make games with modern graphics. While the Tegra3 makes sense because the device only costs $100, it's still kind of toy-ish, at least until some devs come up with something new.
That's how I feel anyway.
Yea the processor is not powerful at all compared to big consoles but its not supposed to compete with the big 3 as I mentioned, it's mostly there to fill a niche for gamers who are interested in these simpler games and developers willing to make games for them. 100$ is pretty ok for what they are offering I feel, so I don't see anything wrong with it, plus they dont have to sell 40 million consoles to make a profit and keep the business running so more games and publishers make games for the console. I'm not sure how many copies games like fez, terraria, limbo, bastion etc sell on xboxlive/steam etc but i dont see think most of them and these are successful ones, selling more than 1 mill copies? I cant imagine how little some of the other less popular games sell, so if Ouya manages to sell 1 mill of these things then i think that would be a huge success and most people basically bought the thing for THOSE games so i think 90% of these gamers will buy your game.
I think their idea of making it sort of open source, you can modify it and do anything you want to it and its completely fine was a good idea and a way to broaden the people that might buy this. It's mostly a gadget with a really open hardware/software for people who like to mess around but also works just fine for people who have no idea how to program or mess with hardware. I guess we'll see how popular this thing is once its released, I'm sure they will raise 4-5Mill before the time runs out or even more but we wont know for sure until people actually play games in it and more games come out for it. I look forward the most to the mods people will come up for it though.
On July 11 2012 00:18 ZeroCartin wrote: EDIT: This is not a console to display mobile games on tv people, this is a console to help indy developers push a new market and develop for a different platform. What do you guys think?
Ok.... so everyone has PC... every indie developer can make games for PC... we have everything needed for their idea to work RIGHT NOW.
But no.... YOU need to BUY a CONSOLE so you can play NOT SO GOOD games on NOT SO GOOD console, made by INDIE developers, because a HDMI CABLE and plugging PC to TV is too hard? A frikkin PC can play THOUSANDS of games, can use HUNDREDTHS of different game pads and it can even do other stuff than playing games! SICK!
I don't know why people try to make their lives harder. Oh wait, I know... 3 milion $$ in 2 days, thats why.
On July 11 2012 00:18 ZeroCartin wrote: EDIT: This is not a console to display mobile games on tv people, this is a console to help indy developers push a new market and develop for a different platform. What do you guys think?
Ok.... so everyone has PC... every indie developer can make games for PC... we have everything needed for their idea to work RIGHT NOW.
But no.... YOU need to BUY a CONSOLE so you can play NOT SO GOOD games on NOT SO GOOD console, made by INDIE developers, because a HDMI CABLE and plugging PC to TV is too hard? A frikkin PC can play THOUSANDS of games, can use HUNDREDTHS of different game pads and it can even do other stuff than playing games! SICK!
I don't know why people try to make their lives harder. Oh wait, I know... 3 milion $$ in 2 days, thats why.
You absolutely have no idea, how many people have a console but don't ever play a game on their pc. And yes, it's actually pretty hard plugging a pc to a tv because not everyone has their tv next to their pc and long hdmi cables are very pricy. Not sure why you're getting butthurt over someone releasing a platform, you're not forced to buy it.
How does this help indie developers more than PC? Is it that some developers want their games to be played on a TV (with more ease than hooking up a PC)?
Also, can somebody elaborate in what sense is it open hardware and what possibilities do you see as opening up because of that?
On July 11 2012 00:18 ZeroCartin wrote: EDIT: This is not a console to display mobile games on tv people, this is a console to help indy developers push a new market and develop for a different platform. What do you guys think?
Ok.... so everyone has PC... every indie developer can make games for PC... we have everything needed for their idea to work RIGHT NOW.
But no.... YOU need to BUY a CONSOLE so you can play NOT SO GOOD games on NOT SO GOOD console, made by INDIE developers, because a HDMI CABLE and plugging PC to TV is too hard? A frikkin PC can play THOUSANDS of games, can use HUNDREDTHS of different game pads and it can even do other stuff than playing games! SICK!
I don't know why people try to make their lives harder. Oh wait, I know... 3 milion $$ in 2 days, thats why.
You absolutely have no idea, how many people have a console but don't ever play a game on their pc. And yes, it's actually pretty hard plugging a pc to a tv because not everyone has their tv next to their pc and long hdmi cables are very pricy. Not sure why you're getting butthurt over someone releasing a platform, you're not forced to buy it.
I'm not butthurt, I'm just amazed by IQ level of people of this world. People who are willing to pay money for something which is presented to be new and revolutionary when actually it has been around for years (sounds kinda like Apple, right?).
And no, plugging a laptop/PC to a TV takes few minutes and a functionality of PC beats any console easily (maybe people like going backwards in technology because of it's simplicity? In 10 years someone will invent board games or something...)
Playing smartphone games on TV... dream comes true!
On July 11 2012 00:18 ZeroCartin wrote: EDIT: This is not a console to display mobile games on tv people, this is a console to help indy developers push a new market and develop for a different platform. What do you guys think?
Ok.... so everyone has PC... every indie developer can make games for PC... we have everything needed for their idea to work RIGHT NOW.
But no.... YOU need to BUY a CONSOLE so you can play NOT SO GOOD games on NOT SO GOOD console, made by INDIE developers, because a HDMI CABLE and plugging PC to TV is too hard? A frikkin PC can play THOUSANDS of games, can use HUNDREDTHS of different game pads and it can even do other stuff than playing games! SICK!
I don't know why people try to make their lives harder. Oh wait, I know... 3 milion $$ in 2 days, thats why.
You absolutely have no idea, how many people have a console but don't ever play a game on their pc. And yes, it's actually pretty hard plugging a pc to a tv because not everyone has their tv next to their pc and long hdmi cables are very pricy. Not sure why you're getting butthurt over someone releasing a platform, you're not forced to buy it.
I'm not butthurt, I'm just amazed by IQ level of people of this world. People who are willing to pay money for something which is presented to be new and revolutionary when actually it has been around for years (sounds kinda like Apple, right?).
And no, plugging a laptop/PC to a TV takes few minutes and a functionality of PC beats any console easily (maybe people like going backwards in technology because of it's simplicity? In 10 years someone will invent board games or something...)
Playing smartphone games on TV... dream comes true!
My god you are so thick there's no point explaining things to you. You should start by actually reading what it exactly is. It's not being presented as revolutionary, nor are they smartphone games.
On July 12 2012 03:58 HyukeN wrote: How does this help indie developers more than PC? Is it that some developers want their games to be played on a TV (with more ease than hooking up a PC)?
Also, can somebody elaborate in what sense is it open hardware and what possibilities do you see as opening up because of that?
There is a large market of console gamers that dont like playing on a computer. This allows indie developers to develop much more simply to that audience.
Open hardware means it will come with simple screws so anyone can open and add periphals that they want. It could mean that you can put more usbs if you want(for example). This is great since there are lots of people that can experiment with hardware stuff on it for new technologies.
I think people are looking at this in the lens that we currently view 'smartphone games', even though that's not what it's directly faced at. Yeah, it will probably be a part of it because that is where most indie developers start, but no that's not where it will end. I'm pretty sure they will have it pointed in a direction where an indie developer who wants to expand their horizon, is able to with this.
Why this, instead of say playing a game on a PC? Mostly because the price they have on this thing is pretty appealing I'd say to a 'Common" consumer. Not us StarCraft folks who would pay a hefty price for a computer powerhouse. It's a risky direction for them, but I think it's something that could definitely work out better for indie developers who don't want to be under the contracts of Sony's network, Wii store and so on.
While the handheld generation isn't necessarily dead, I could definitely say that the smartphone/tablets have put a dent into how the world sees it now.
I really like this. I remember when I was looking at the current gaming status, and I thought of a few things that would be great to have at all times. And now it's here.
A console that stays traditional. (PS3/X360) A console which offers gameplay innovation through the console itself. (WiiU) A console that lets developers get off the ground with low game costs. (Mobile, hopefully Ouya) A console that focuses on gameplay innovation through the games themselves. (Hopefully Ouya)
If this works out, my last hope would be that either the Ps3 or X360 drops out and focuses on some other important thing to have. The more choices the better
Im going to buy this because i love to tinker and hack things. The first thing that actually came to my mind was all the emulators that will come out for this. I always regretting selling my n64 in a garage sale a long time ago and with this I should be able to play all the classics again.
On July 12 2012 03:58 HyukeN wrote: How does this help indie developers more than PC? Is it that some developers want their games to be played on a TV (with more ease than hooking up a PC)?
Also, can somebody elaborate in what sense is it open hardware and what possibilities do you see as opening up because of that?
There is a large market of console gamers that dont like playing on a computer. This allows indie developers to develop much more simply to that audience.
Open hardware means it will come with simple screws so anyone can open and add periphals that they want. It could mean that you can put more usbs if you want(for example). This is great since there are lots of people that can experiment with hardware stuff on it for new technologies.
That's nice and all, but it's all banking on this being a success to the general market. It has a lot of steam now to a fairly limited audience, most of which I'm sure is made up of amateur game developers, but is the general public really going to buy in? If so then maybe it works, but otherwise you're still just marketing your games to an extremely limited audience.
I still think the Steam Greenlight service is going to be a much better solution for the average amateur developer.
This a joke? You won't be able to make/play anything worthwhile with this kind of power. I mean, I could just download an emulator for an old console and have thousands of games of similar quality at my fingertips...or the wii/xbox/ps3 marketplace
I agree with the main idea, but I don't know why you'd harp on the 1gb of RAM on a $100 console. You do realize that both the PS3 and Xbox 360 have significantly less than 1gb of RAM?
This is essentially a phone with an HDMI output and dedicated wireless controllers. (Without an antenna, a screen, and all that phone stuff).
They have less than 1gb of ram but also have more powerful processors and dedicated graphics cards. To me that sounds like a gigantic waste, but I guess that's because I know how to use a computer? Then again I can't see anyone who would be aware of this and understand it not being at least mildly into computers.
On July 12 2012 03:50 JackDino wrote: You absolutely have no idea, how many people have a console but don't ever play a game on their pc. And yes, it's actually pretty hard plugging a pc to a tv because not everyone has their tv next to their pc and long hdmi cables are very pricy. Not sure why you're getting butthurt over someone releasing a platform, you're not forced to buy it.
You can just move a PC, or even the tv, doesn't take much but bit muscle. It's just basically a minipc, with even less power and usage.
On July 12 2012 03:50 JackDino wrote: You absolutely have no idea, how many people have a console but don't ever play a game on their pc. And yes, it's actually pretty hard plugging a pc to a tv because not everyone has their tv next to their pc and long hdmi cables are very pricy. Not sure why you're getting butthurt over someone releasing a platform, you're not forced to buy it.
You can just move a PC, or even the tv, doesn't take much but bit muscle. It's just basically a minipc, with even less power and usage.
Almost every single person I know not tech savvy absolutely hates plugging and unplugging their PC. Why? Because they're scared shitless they'll plug something back in wrong, or something of that sort.
My dad used to try to force me to write down on paper where everything plugged in the back if I ever had to move the PC. I never would, because I assured him I wasn't retarded and would figure it out, but he always threatened I would have to pay the cost for a PC repair person to fix it if I messed it up. It wasn't until I actually built my own computer that he started asking me to troubleshoot his problems rather than call in someone to look at it. I've fixed so many basic things that took like 5 minutes for me to figure out, and that I assume anyone should be able to figure out really quickly (one thing was even just the computer date somehow being off 3 years so Internet certificates were showing invalid), but he's willing to call in someone to look at it over...
On July 12 2012 03:50 JackDino wrote: You absolutely have no idea, how many people have a console but don't ever play a game on their pc. And yes, it's actually pretty hard plugging a pc to a tv because not everyone has their tv next to their pc and long hdmi cables are very pricy. Not sure why you're getting butthurt over someone releasing a platform, you're not forced to buy it.
You can just move a PC, or even the tv, doesn't take much but bit muscle. It's just basically a minipc, with even less power and usage.
so lift up every day your pc , unplug and plug all cables twice a day instead of paying 100 euros and having an idie console ? thanks but i prefere working a few hours and have the console instead of moving my pc left and right and saving nothing since energy is money aswel . or better : time is money . and unplugging and plugging is time waste .
On July 12 2012 03:50 JackDino wrote: You absolutely have no idea, how many people have a console but don't ever play a game on their pc. And yes, it's actually pretty hard plugging a pc to a tv because not everyone has their tv next to their pc and long hdmi cables are very pricy. Not sure why you're getting butthurt over someone releasing a platform, you're not forced to buy it.
You can just move a PC, or even the tv, doesn't take much but bit muscle. It's just basically a minipc, with even less power and usage.
Almost every single person I know not tech savvy absolutely hates plugging and unplugging their PC. Why? Because they're scared shitless they'll plug something back in wrong, or something of that sort.
My dad used to try to force me to write down on paper where everything plugged in the back if I ever had to move the PC. I never would, because I assured him I wasn't retarded and would figure it out, but he always threatened I would have to pay the cost for a PC repair person to fix it if I messed it up. It wasn't until I actually built my own computer that he started asking me to troubleshoot his problems rather than call in someone to look at it. I've fixed so many basic things that took like 5 minutes for me to figure out, and that I assume anyone should be able to figure out really quickly (one thing was even just the computer date somehow being off 3 years so Internet certificates were showing invalid), but he's willing to call in someone to look at it over...
I've been using a computer for as long as I can remember, I work as a programmer... yet I hate unplugging and moving my computer. You have to be halfway retarded to fail at plugging in a computer, but it's still takes time if your computer is placed at a desk with a wall or something behind it, especially if you want to keep it somewhat clean with the cables etc. While desktops have gotten smaller and lighter in modern times, it's still decently heavy work. It's not something you want to do several times a day.
On July 12 2012 03:58 HyukeN wrote: How does this help indie developers more than PC? Is it that some developers want their games to be played on a TV (with more ease than hooking up a PC)?
Also, can somebody elaborate in what sense is it open hardware and what possibilities do you see as opening up because of that?
There is a large market of console gamers that dont like playing on a computer. This allows indie developers to develop much more simply to that audience.
Open hardware means it will come with simple screws so anyone can open and add periphals that they want. It could mean that you can put more usbs if you want(for example). This is great since there are lots of people that can experiment with hardware stuff on it for new technologies.
Thanks, but I still am not sure I understand the whole appeal of open HW. Is the open hardware concept referring to the computer hardware or the mechanical hardware? Does the community pretty much wait for somebody to do something cool and then follow his tutorial if they want to do that? I'm assuming a good example would be modding a playstation. Since PS was not open HW what were the hurdles for people to do this and how does this design eliminate those? Or is there a better example?
So if it is open source hw/sw then we shouldn't be restricted to a speicif controller right? We could use any other controller with blutetooth, wifi, or USB capability?
Id surely love to see the games in the indie bundles ported for this console, I friggin love aquaria and bastion and its just not the same having to boot up the pc and waste electricity just to play ...
I could see this thing be pretty nice, if it gets a vibrant community of people that actually care for it.
99$ isn't too bad for a console that allows watching streams on TV, and playing games like Minecraft and maybe platformers like SuperMeatBoy. And obviously you could do all kinds of illegal stuff with that console, which is nice. So emulating older consoles etc. could also work nicely.
But I don't have a TV, and even if I did, I wouldn't just put my money out there and hope, I'd much rather hop onto the bandwagon once it gets rolling.
This console is definitely exciting from a development perspective, but I doubt it will really take off as a gaming platform.
1. How will you purchase games? The best method they have is digital download, but how do they provide that (with reliability and quality) ? All current digital download servers have an advantage in terms of scale, which is something they probably won't have. If it's done by 3rd parties, then that's an additional cost to developers, and probably a worse user experience.
2. It's specs are good, but will probably be blown out of the water by next gen consoles. And when compared to a PC it'll be a joke. This leaves it in a weird place, meaning console ports will gain no advantages (if people even try to port) and PC games will underperform on it. If it doesn't get some good games before the next gen is released, this thing is pretty much dead.
3. Making a console is hard, not only from a technical perspective, but also from a financial perspective. For example, Microsoft's Xbox division was only profitable until many years after the release of the 360. Granted, this project isn't exactly for-profit, but it's important to keep in mind the time, effort and resources it took to make the Xbox a good platform.
In the best case scenario, I see this Ouya spawning a few good games and maybe becoming an interesting experiment. Or they might make a mistake and users realize they just spent 100 dollars on a overpriced media machine because it has no games or can't play them. Still, it'll be interesting to see how it turns out.
Edit: also realized this thing only has 8GB internal storage. Wtf? Where do they expect you to store your games?
On July 11 2012 00:18 ZeroCartin wrote: EDIT: This is not a console to display mobile games on tv people, this is a console to help indy developers push a new market and develop for a different platform. What do you guys think?
Ok.... so everyone has PC... every indie developer can make games for PC... we have everything needed for their idea to work RIGHT NOW.
But no.... YOU need to BUY a CONSOLE so you can play NOT SO GOOD games on NOT SO GOOD console, made by INDIE developers, because a HDMI CABLE and plugging PC to TV is too hard? A frikkin PC can play THOUSANDS of games, can use HUNDREDTHS of different game pads and it can even do other stuff than playing games! SICK!
I don't know why people try to make their lives harder. Oh wait, I know... 3 milion $$ in 2 days, thats why.
You absolutely have no idea, how many people have a console but don't ever play a game on their pc. And yes, it's actually pretty hard plugging a pc to a tv because not everyone has their tv next to their pc and long hdmi cables are very pricy. Not sure why you're getting butthurt over someone releasing a platform, you're not forced to buy it.
Most tv's even have a VGA port for pc's Hell, theres not really a single person i dont know who doesnt have their pc's plugged into their tv. Cheap HTPC only cost a few hundred (well, around 200-300) can emulate most things and with a few wireless keyboards/controllers and a nice frontend software it can be a very nice arcade-like console. Idk, im really really skeptical about this product. Id assume it cant even run minecraft, a game that was once indy i guess you could say.
Its probably gonna be a stocking stuffer much like those atari joysticks they marketed a decade back with a few games on it
indie games are becoming more and more like the "indie" film industry. Glad to see a product like this come out, to help push the platform of original and creative games, not the over-developed piles of sequels we get every year.
On July 11 2012 00:18 ZeroCartin wrote: EDIT: This is not a console to display mobile games on tv people, this is a console to help indy developers push a new market and develop for a different platform. What do you guys think?
Ok.... so everyone has PC... every indie developer can make games for PC... we have everything needed for their idea to work RIGHT NOW.
But no.... YOU need to BUY a CONSOLE so you can play NOT SO GOOD games on NOT SO GOOD console, made by INDIE developers, because a HDMI CABLE and plugging PC to TV is too hard? A frikkin PC can play THOUSANDS of games, can use HUNDREDTHS of different game pads and it can even do other stuff than playing games! SICK!
I don't know why people try to make their lives harder. Oh wait, I know... 3 milion $$ in 2 days, thats why.
You absolutely have no idea, how many people have a console but don't ever play a game on their pc. And yes, it's actually pretty hard plugging a pc to a tv because not everyone has their tv next to their pc and long hdmi cables are very pricy. Not sure why you're getting butthurt over someone releasing a platform, you're not forced to buy it.
Most tv's even have a VGA port for pc's Hell, theres not really a single person i dont know who doesnt have their pc's plugged into their tv. Cheap HTPC only cost a few hundred (well, around 200-300) can emulate most things and with a few wireless keyboards/controllers and a nice frontend software it can be a very nice arcade-like console. Idk, im really really skeptical about this product. Id assume it cant even run minecraft, a game that was once indy i guess you could say.
Its probably gonna be a stocking stuffer much like those atari joysticks they marketed a decade back with a few games on it
I actually know quite a lot of people who have never plugged their PCs into their TVs before in their entire life. Generalizations: be wary of them.
That being said, what I am more worried about is Ouya flopping...and then Kickstarter as a result taking a hit as well. with $3,000,000 + invested into it right now, Ouya doing anything but succeeding might hurt Kickstarters legitimacy.
Playing smartphone games on your home TV is just not an attractive proposition. Of course this can be a lot more than that- an affordable conduit to connect gamers with game developers through an open platform sounds like it could be great! But it won't be. Consumers won't buy it because it won't have good original content; developers won't make games for it because it won't have an established user base.
When Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft releases a console, consumers know that they're gonna throw a lot of weight and support behind it, typically starting with a strong lineup of release titles; this simply won't be the case with the Ouya. It just sells the promise that maybe if a lot of other people buy it too, then third-party developers might make dedicated games for it in the future, 'cause it's sure as hell not going to have any first-party support.
On July 11 2012 00:18 ZeroCartin wrote: EDIT: This is not a console to display mobile games on tv people, this is a console to help indy developers push a new market and develop for a different platform. What do you guys think?
Ok.... so everyone has PC... every indie developer can make games for PC... we have everything needed for their idea to work RIGHT NOW.
But no.... YOU need to BUY a CONSOLE so you can play NOT SO GOOD games on NOT SO GOOD console, made by INDIE developers, because a HDMI CABLE and plugging PC to TV is too hard? A frikkin PC can play THOUSANDS of games, can use HUNDREDTHS of different game pads and it can even do other stuff than playing games! SICK!
I don't know why people try to make their lives harder. Oh wait, I know... 3 milion $$ in 2 days, thats why.
You absolutely have no idea, how many people have a console but don't ever play a game on their pc. And yes, it's actually pretty hard plugging a pc to a tv because not everyone has their tv next to their pc and long hdmi cables are very pricy. Not sure why you're getting butthurt over someone releasing a platform, you're not forced to buy it.
Most tv's even have a VGA port for pc's Hell, theres not really a single person i dont know who doesnt have their pc's plugged into their tv. Cheap HTPC only cost a few hundred (well, around 200-300) can emulate most things and with a few wireless keyboards/controllers and a nice frontend software it can be a very nice arcade-like console. Idk, im really really skeptical about this product. Id assume it cant even run minecraft, a game that was once indy i guess you could say.
Its probably gonna be a stocking stuffer much like those atari joysticks they marketed a decade back with a few games on it
You have obviously watched the video very closely since they were specifically mentioning that it will run minecraft...
On July 12 2012 03:50 JackDino wrote: You absolutely have no idea, how many people have a console but don't ever play a game on their pc. And yes, it's actually pretty hard plugging a pc to a tv because not everyone has their tv next to their pc and long hdmi cables are very pricy. Not sure why you're getting butthurt over someone releasing a platform, you're not forced to buy it.
You can just move a PC, or even the tv, doesn't take much but bit muscle. It's just basically a minipc, with even less power and usage.
Almost every single person I know not tech savvy absolutely hates plugging and unplugging their PC. Why? Because they're scared shitless they'll plug something back in wrong, or something of that sort.
People sure will be excited to unscrew and add a HDD to their OOOOYAHs when 8GB flash is full, right? It's not enough for 2-5 decent games, even indie stuff is usually 200MB+ and I'm sure some would be 2GB+ so yeah...
On July 12 2012 03:50 JackDino wrote: You absolutely have no idea, how many people have a console but don't ever play a game on their pc. And yes, it's actually pretty hard plugging a pc to a tv because not everyone has their tv next to their pc and long hdmi cables are very pricy. Not sure why you're getting butthurt over someone releasing a platform, you're not forced to buy it.
You can just move a PC, or even the tv, doesn't take much but bit muscle. It's just basically a minipc, with even less power and usage.
Almost every single person I know not tech savvy absolutely hates plugging and unplugging their PC. Why? Because they're scared shitless they'll plug something back in wrong, or something of that sort.
People sure will be excited to unscrew and add a HDD to their OOOOYAHs when 8GB flash is full, right? It's not enough for 2-5 decent games, even indie stuff is usually 200MB+ and I'm sure some would be 2GB+ so yeah...
Indie stuff on windows can be big. Most Android games are really small though, because of the hardware limitations in most Android devices. I figure that very few relevant games will be made specifically for this console (with the controller), and as such we'll probably mostly see ports, which may not even fully use the fairly elaborate controller.
I think a lot of people will be really disappointed, unless devs do step up - which would surprise me a lot.
But then again it's a $100 purchase, so who cares. It's something I could see myself tinkering with for a few hours before I got bored of it. Maybe I'd make a cooler shell for it.
On July 12 2012 07:55 fabiano wrote: The posts in this thread allow us to spot those who read and those who don't read the OP.
It's hilarious the amount of people who have clearly not read what this console is supposed to be... you guys are funny!
Let's not forget though that not all criticisms are unfounded. I've read the whole thing and watched the video and I'm still pretty damn skeptical. I know what market it's gunning for and I think it could very well fail anyway.
On July 12 2012 06:53 Zato-1 wrote: This is gonna fail.
Playing smartphone games on your home TV is just not an attractive proposition. Of course this can be a lot more than that- an affordable conduit to connect gamers with game developers through an open platform sounds like it could be great! But it won't be. Consumers won't buy it because it won't have good original content; developers won't make games for it because it won't have an established user base.
When Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft releases a console, consumers know that they're gonna throw a lot of weight and support behind it, typically starting with a strong lineup of release titles; this simply won't be the case with the Ouya. It just sells the promise that maybe if a lot of other people buy it too, then third-party developers might make dedicated games for it in the future, 'cause it's sure as hell not going to have any first-party support.
This is very true. Plus this thing simply doesn't have the hardware. The tegra 3 chip isn't even the top end android chip.
I love the idea of an open source gaming platform though, it's like a dream scenario. Only company that has the grunt to make it work is Valve I wonder if they have any plans in this direction.
I think this is really interesting. As a developer I can tell you that you would be surprised what we can do develop with these specs. But no, I don't think you will see the type of games you see on the Xbox or PS3 on this platform. Because what is the point? you can have your Call of Duty 99 or the Sims 3000 on your standard console, you will get something new and exciting on this platform.
And no, believe me, the focus will not be smartphone or tablet games. For most gamedevelopers this console will be a much more fun platform to develop for, and you will get some really interesting thing. You will get a lot of retro games, so metroidvanias, platformers, puzzle games. But there will probably be some new and innovative things as well in the category minecraft, terraria, soldat, torchlight, flow, amnesia, etc, but then further developed.
Also keep in mind that the middleware that only used to be available to very big developers has become available to smaller gamedevs in recent years. think of UDK, Unity, Crysis, all available to small devs. Hawken is a good example of such a game:
So don't underestimate how much passion, knowledge, experience and optimism is in the independent gamedev community, and many are already keeping a close eye on this platform and want it to succeed.
I don't know about you guys, but I think that being able to practice developing for a TV console for $100 is pretty appealing. I don't really care how well it does at all - I just want the practice.
On July 11 2012 00:18 ZeroCartin wrote: EDIT: This is not a console to display mobile games on tv people, this is a console to help indy developers push a new market and develop for a different platform. What do you guys think?
Ok.... so everyone has PC... every indie developer can make games for PC... we have everything needed for their idea to work RIGHT NOW.
But no.... YOU need to BUY a CONSOLE so you can play NOT SO GOOD games on NOT SO GOOD console, made by INDIE developers, because a HDMI CABLE and plugging PC to TV is too hard? A frikkin PC can play THOUSANDS of games, can use HUNDREDTHS of different game pads and it can even do other stuff than playing games! SICK!
I don't know why people try to make their lives harder. Oh wait, I know... 3 milion $$ in 2 days, thats why.
You absolutely have no idea, how many people have a console but don't ever play a game on their pc. And yes, it's actually pretty hard plugging a pc to a tv because not everyone has their tv next to their pc and long hdmi cables are very pricy. Not sure why you're getting butthurt over someone releasing a platform, you're not forced to buy it.
Most tv's even have a VGA port for pc's Hell, theres not really a single person i dont know who doesnt have their pc's plugged into their tv. Cheap HTPC only cost a few hundred (well, around 200-300) can emulate most things and with a few wireless keyboards/controllers and a nice frontend software it can be a very nice arcade-like console. Idk, im really really skeptical about this product. Id assume it cant even run minecraft, a game that was once indy i guess you could say.
Its probably gonna be a stocking stuffer much like those atari joysticks they marketed a decade back with a few games on it
Mojang is still indy..Just rich.. (Fyi, Valve is indy as well, just rich ).and they have already responded:
“If OUYA delivers on the promise of being the first true open gaming platform that gives indie developers access to the living room gaming market, yes that is a great idea. We will follow the development of OUYA and see how it resonates with gamers. I could see all current Mojang games go on the platform if there's a demand for it.” – Mojang (developer of Minecraft)
It's certainly an interesting development, I'll be observing this keenly.
Though as with most Kick-starter projects, I'm faced with a wall of skepticism, questioning their credentials, credibility and general ability to use this hard-earnt money for something which those who donated will truly appreciate. The business isn't explained very well and we're shown nothing but positive things, this seems to suggest that they actually have very little in the way of a practical design so far. How can all the games be there for free, it just doesn't make any sense, unless you're paying a subscription fee like with XBL, but even then, it would have to be significantly more in order to keep the game developers happy.
I dunno, I'm pretty excited about it, but very cautious at the same time. I hope it works out, the indie game scene is flourishing right now and some really great titles have come out of it. Bastion comes to mind, that game was a fucking marvel, I enjoyed it so much. I'd of paid £40 for it.
Best of luck to them, I hope they can keep their promises and deliver.
On one hand, this is an incredibly hard market to break into. MS threw a TON of money at the scene when there were essentially only 2 competitive consoles, and each one fit into a niche group. On the other hand, a truly open system means a TON of (free) support from the community, as well as an easily approachable platform for developers.
On July 12 2012 08:46 Circos wrote: It's certainly an interesting development, I'll be observing this keenly.
Though as with most Kick-starter projects, I'm faced with a wall of skepticism, questioning their credentials, credibility and general ability to use this hard-earnt money for something which those who donated will truly appreciate. The business isn't explained very well and we're shown nothing but positive things, this seems to suggest that they actually have very little in the way of a practical design so far. How can all the games be there for free, it just doesn't make any sense, unless you're paying a subscription fee like with XBL, but even then, it would have to be significantly more in order to keep the game developers happy.
I dunno, I'm pretty excited about it, but very cautious at the same time. I hope it works out, the indie game scene is flourishing right now and some really great titles have come out of it. Bastion comes to mind, that game was a fucking marvel, I enjoyed it so much. I'd of paid £40 for it.
Best of luck to them, I hope they can keep their promises and deliver.
Yeah, I totally agree with this. I think crowdfunding this is actually not a great way to go about it. Crowdfunding in general I think has far too little demands on the party receiving the money. They could just walk away with 3 million dollars and think, screw you all, we are rich...
I would have preferred it if they went the investor route. That would be much more believable, since investors will actually force them to take it serious as a business and they would also have access to far more money. Because believe it or not, 3 or 4 million is probably not enough money. Although I am pretty sure it should get them to a stage where they can actually attract the money to make this viable.
On July 12 2012 08:46 sinii wrote: It still doesn't make any sense though, phone hacks will be out within a month of release to turn your phone into one of these 'consoles' for free.
So? It is an open platform, use your phone if you want. It will not be about the platform in particular it will be about the service it provides. If you want to access this service with your phone it wont matter to them, just like it does not matter to valve what type of pc you use to get on steam.
Obviously posts with founded criticism are perfectly fine and encouraged, but you can read a lot of posters who believe this is just a console to play phone games on tv.... those are sad.
I really like the idea as a developer. I've no idea if this will took off or not, but the idea is really cool.
On July 12 2012 08:46 sinii wrote: It still doesn't make any sense though, phone hacks will be out within a month of release to turn your phone into one of these 'consoles' for free.
They make sense. They clearly say in the video that they aim to have games that you can take advantage of having a controller, like a fighting game.
They aren't just going to port mobile games into the console, where the fuck did people take this idea from??
On July 12 2012 09:03 fabiano wrote: Obviously posts with founded criticism are perfectly fine and encouraged, but you can read a lot of posters who believe this is just a console to play phone games on tv.... those are sad.
It has phone hardware though. I could just as well hook my phone to a TV (many people have those) and use a Bluetooth controller.
I understand that some devs will be interested in making games that don't require a lot of hardware for this thing, but people work for money. Unless this happens to sell an incredible amount of devices, most devs will still look at the market and code for iOS and regular ole' Android. And perhaps they'll port to this thing.
To put it simply, I think we'll mostly get ports, because very few devs will try to make a living off a console that's only in a couple tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of households.
On July 12 2012 09:03 fabiano wrote: Obviously posts with founded criticism are perfectly fine and encouraged, but you can read a lot of posters who believe this is just a console to play phone games on tv.... those are sad.
I really like the idea as a developer. I've no idea if this will took off or not, but the idea is really cool.
On July 12 2012 08:46 sinii wrote: It still doesn't make any sense though, phone hacks will be out within a month of release to turn your phone into one of these 'consoles' for free.
They make sense. They clearly say in the video that they aim to have games that you can take advantage of having a controller, like a fighting game.
They aren't just going to port mobile games into the console, where the fuck did people take this idea from??
I never said they were taking phone games... my point still stands, within a month of this console being released I will be able to play this 'console' via my phone with a ps3 controller connected via bluetooth.
It's a great idea however I have no idea why anyone would pay for one of these consoles if you already have a mid range android phone.
People saying it will fail because it isn't able to compete with Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo - Indirect competitors, this is focused towards opening a market for indie developers. Those other guys aren't doing that. There are lots of people out there who would love to try making a game on a console but can't. And it isn't all for huge profits, people do things because sometimes they just enjoy doing them.
People saying it will fail because the hardware isn't good enough - Great hardware specifications nor graphics make great games. Look at minecraft, braid, amnesia, etc. Hardly pushing graphic limitations. Now think of all the massive releases that were hugely polished graphically or required good hardware specs yet still sucked. MW3 compared to TF2, would rather play TF2 at least it isn't pretending to be serious.
Don't get why people think it will fail on cost / will use their phone or whatever instead. 100Usd is nothing, I spent more on the S3.
On July 12 2012 09:13 Antimatterz wrote: $3.1 mil this morning, $3.5 mil right now, what the fuck. Is this the biggest kickstarter/community funded project of all time?
The real question is how they're even going to prevent piracy on this thing. I mean look at this answer to a question asking about piracy safeguards:
Well, ideally you would make better software than decades old ROMS. Because the indie community would know and support you. Because you love games and no other venue allows you to develop for a living room and a controller like this does. Even if it's prototype. Even if it's flawed.
On July 11 2012 00:21 iPAndi wrote: Seems interesting. I hope this can bring a revolution to console development. Though android development sucks imo
Android Development is actually my favorite platform to develop for, if you use Unity, it is actually quite easy. I'm hoping we get some high end games from the indie scene out for this console, but I feel that the console's going to fail, but we'll see.
Only 8 GB of internal flash is very underwhelming. 1 GB RAM is also underwhelming. RAM is incredibly cheap these days, as are hard drives. Unless the "internal flash" means solid state I am very unimpressed with the specifications on this console. Games don't need to have awesome graphics or take up a lot of room to be good, but the difference in price between 1 GB and say 4 GB of ram is very insignificant, and only 8 GB of storage (unless the USB is for externals, which is still weird considering a console should largely want to be standalone) means that the amount of games may be very limited.
With no games announced, no real word on functionality, and only the promise of a low price point, this thing is already at 3.6 million dollars pledged? Competition is great and all, but there's nothing on their page that indicates that it will be competing with anything.
If this is all about indie titles, a bottom of the barrel cheap laptop covers that and provides extra utility and functionality. If it's all about porting mobile games, is anybody who wants to play Angry Birds going to plop down $100 to play it in their living room? Also, that person would also have to not already own a smart phone. That's a really specific demographic of people who A) Don't already own a smart phone, but B) Want to play mobile games badly enough to pay $100 + the price of the games. Is it trying to compete against PCs and the current gen consoles in the triple A space? I can see consumers loving a supremely cheap alternative, but will developers really want to spend money porting and developing for an unproven system, especially given some of the scary aspects that come with it being such an apparently open platform? The specs look pretty adequate in that regard, but that's with only a cursory glance.
I'm just not seeing the appeal, and I'll remain skeptical of this until something emerges that demonstrates why this needs to exist, and what purpose it will serve. Right now I just find myself wishing that the funds its getting could go to something with more substance or defined purpose - an actual game with a clear goal maybe.
Edit: I'm also wondering how they intend to manufacture and distribute these machines in mass market fashion with only a few million dollars, and that's assuming all the R&D is already taken care of. It makes sense this kickstarter isn't their only source of money, but it's yet another aspect of this that I am concerned about.
I fail to see why, as a developer you wouldn't either: A) create a game targeted at mobile users because EVERYONE has the platform for your game already or B) develop for PC and release on steam (or on your own if you go viral.)
The fact is that good indie games on PC can and will get noticed. Mobile apps are easy to make and lucrative because of their reach.
I fail to see any attraction for this "indie console" for devs or for gamers. Developing specifically for it will be a waste of time.
There's a stigma attached to pc gaming that keeps it from becoming what everyone wants. A new console is usually much more appealing to gamers. This will also be a platform meant for games. New developers putting their ideas on a console for low development costs could easily spawn plenty of great gameplay ideas you wouldn't normally see on mainstream consoles. Basically, supporting this consoles would help games to develop and welcome innovation, and successful developers could go on to make games for the bigger consoles. All in all, if you like and support gaming, supporting this could contribute heavily to gaming itself.
On July 12 2012 12:37 Snorkle wrote: I fail to see why, as a developer you wouldn't either: A) create a game targeted at mobile users because EVERYONE has the platform for your game already or B) develop for PC and release on steam (or on your own if you go viral.)
The fact is that good indie games on PC can and will get noticed. Mobile apps are easy to make and lucrative because of their reach.
I fail to see any attraction for this "indie console" for devs or for gamers. Developing specifically for it will be a waste of time.
I hate Kickstarter so much.
The same arguments you make could be said for any "AAA" console developer. EA makes a lot of mobile phone games, but they are generally bad ports of their existing titles on PS3/XBOX or PC. I can see EA releasing games on this thing because it's an extra market.
The fact is there's a lot of people who don't play games their phones. On your phone, you will only play games that you can pick up and play for <10 minutes whilst being satisfied. It's literally a <1 hour process to port your game onto this thing (unless your controls are whack). There will be large incentives for developers to develop for this console specifically because: - If they release a game at launch, and it's the best game at the time, people will play it. - They may then use those funds to make more games (or retire early). - It opens up more GAME GENRES.
ATM every fucking android game is either a farmville clone, some kind of puzzle, badly controlled FPS/racing simulators, "paper toss" variants or games with DPAD overlays, which are all horrible. The ones that do try and branch out to make something different, generally fail on delivery because nobody wants to stare at their phone trying to play their favorite console remake. They would rather play it on a console.
People in this thread honestly believe that everyone has the knowledge and patience to root android devices and shove .apk files on them of popular games, and then update them manually every month or so for updates. People are also saying that you can just make a small PC with bluetooth and some wireless controllers to emulate everything you like. Well sure you can, but I know for a fact that emulators like Dolphin (wii emulator) does not run well at all on budget PCs. Also, try building a PC for under $150 that can run well.
On July 12 2012 11:41 weishime wrote: People saying it will fail because the hardware isn't good enough - Great hardware specifications nor graphics make great games. Look at minecraft, braid, amnesia, etc. Hardly pushing graphic limitations. Now think of all the massive releases that were hugely polished graphically or required good hardware specs yet still sucked. MW3 compared to TF2, would rather play TF2 at least it isn't pretending to be serious.
I look at Minecraft, Braid & Amnesia. And at games like Super Meat Boy, Limbo. Bastion etc etc. And what do I see for most of them? Platforms: Windows, Xbox
So if you want to play these games on a console since for whatever reason you dont want to play them on your PC, you can play them on a Xbox already. All good indie games are ported to multiple platforms. Same will happen for Ouya games. So from a consumer standpoint - why should I need this console? Just because it's cheaper? Is the price difference between Ouya and the next Xbox gen enough to lose all the features / options the next Xbox is going to offer?
The twitch.tv thing seems nice for people who want an easy option to stream to your TV as well. But for tech savvy people it's already possible - I personally have my PC stream to my PS3 connected to my TV. Sure it was not "easy" - but isnt the techsavvy guy the target audience for ouya? So why would HE need this feature?
From a developer's point of view of course it's good. You wont have to deal with microsoft or other publishers. So you can release your mediocre game which no one wants on their platform and hope it still is a hit and the bigger publishers notice you and port it (encourage you to port it) to their platform. Open hardware also sounds fun for people who want to do play around.
So will it fail? No. Will it be the next big thing for the majority? No. It will be a nice thing for developers and die hard indie fans - but for most consumers it's probably not worth it and a lot of people seem to have too high expectations for it.
I don't know about this. A low enough price point (obviously it'll be a lot lower than other consoles) is about the only thing going for it. People with PCs likely won't get it, as their PC will do/play anything on it. People with other consoles might not get it because it'll be so weak compared to a real console, and will only have 'bad graphix indie gamez' on it.
Guess i'll see, though i really don't particularly care about it and won't be following it. xD
Just because it has an Android system doesn't mean its only for playing Angry Birds on your big screen. How dense can you be... jeeze.
This is all about cracking open the console market again so that small companies can get in there and make GREAT games. And for those saying that having a PC nullifies the need for one of these, I completely disagree. There are games that are just meant for a console, more than a keyboard and mouse on a computer. Legend of Zelda immediately comes to mind, I would rather play most adventure/action/rpg style games on a console than on a computer any day of the week. Also, if I can access twitch from the OUYA, then fuck yeah, it almost is worth the 99$ just for that. I hate having to lug my computer out into the living room every time I want to have friends over and watch Twitch on the big screen.
maybe I live in another world but indie games are really really bad (i make an exception for bastion tho, I'm sure there are others but overall the clear majority aren't actually fun or worth money)
So focusing on indie developers, I have no faith in this console. If there are other features tho for non gaming, ie internet, then it may be interesting for entertainment in that regard
I have no idea why I would buy one. I play games on my phone because I'm bored and not at home. If I was at home, with my console, I'd play games on my computer or existing consoles.
There doesn't seem to be any room for a console that plays games I can already play on my computer or phone.
On July 12 2012 18:06 jfourz wrote: oh boy can't wait to play shitty android and iphone games on a tv
why do people donate to these scams
because it won't be shitty android games / iphone games.
why do ppl keep re-iterating their same false assumptions over and over again? nvm it's because they can't READ.
pretty sure i can read, here's what i read recently; the whole thing runs off a tegra 3. that is a current gen (read: already dated) processor for smart-phones and tablets
do you need someone to draw the conclusion for you?
god damn, everytime i hear people saying they don't want to play mobile games on their tv it makes me angry. that is not what this is about and i wish they had been more clear about this in their kickstarter intro video.
what they were talking about is the fact that currently indie developers are pretty much restricted to making games for ios/android phones or the pc. making games for ps3/360 is nearly impossible. with this project indie devs could finally start making games for the living room, too.
this is about people who'd enjoy sitting on the couch in the living room while playing their indie games instead of in front of their pcs. this is for the people who don't want to pay 60$/€ for every game and maybe regret it. yes there are workarounds other people have already mentioned, like connecting your pc to your tv, or hooking up your mobile phone with a ps3 controller etc. but none of these solutions are something game devs would focus on developing games for. however, these workarounds do show that there seems to be a demand that isn't covered yet.
the epic success on kickstarter is also proof that there are indeed people interested in this, making it much easier to follow up with some investors, which would have been hard to do 2 days ago.
On July 12 2012 17:45 askTeivospy wrote: maybe I live in another world but indie games are really really bad (i make an exception for bastion tho, I'm sure there are others but overall the clear majority aren't actually fun or worth money)
So focusing on indie developers, I have no faith in this console. If there are other features tho for non gaming, ie internet, then it may be interesting for entertainment in that regard
In all honesty, you really cannot say that. Are the clear majority of AAA games worth their money (as in, the full 60 dollar price tag)? Absolutely not. This console is only making things better for indie developers. So at the very least, we're going to see a number of amazing games that wouldn't have been possible, otherwise. Also, the platform focuses on indie development, but is in no way excluding the possibility for AAA studios to develop games for it.
Lastly, I have a feeling you've missed out on some pretty awesome indie games! So I'm just going to list them here, for your pleasure! Go check out: Minecraft, Amnesia, Super Meat Boy, LIMBO, Plants vs Zombies, Jamestown, VVVVVV, and Terraria. There's a lot more, of course, but I highly recommend these.
More on topic: Really looking forward to this console. Need to get my hands on a creditcard so I can order one :D. Also really looking forward to developing for this console. Looks pretty good. Too bad Tegra 3 doesn't support OpenGL 3.0, though.
On July 12 2012 18:02 Probe1 wrote: I have no idea why I would buy one. I play games on my phone because I'm bored and not at home. If I was at home, with my console, I'd play games on my computer or existing consoles.
There doesn't seem to be any room for a console that plays games I can already play on my computer or phone.
I'm looking at it this way: When I have a friend over, its really not fun to play on the computer considering I only have one, so one of us needs to sit and watch the other. So what to do? We play on the console. My PS3 has a couple of nice multiplayer games, but every time we want to try something new, we have to dish out 65 bucks for a new game. With this console, theres potential for a huge free library as well as a huge one that is simply "cheap" as it will mostly be filled with indie games. Also, it can stream twitch.tv to my tv? *insert the overused "take my money!" meme* All this for under 100$ (+ 30 for an extra controller). I can't see how its not worth it.
On July 12 2012 18:06 jfourz wrote: oh boy can't wait to play shitty android and iphone games on a tv
why do people donate to these scams
because it won't be shitty android games / iphone games.
why do ppl keep re-iterating their same false assumptions over and over again? nvm it's because they can't READ.
pretty sure i can read, here's what i read recently; the whole thing runs off a tegra 3. that is a current gen (read: already dated) processor for smart-phones and tablets
do you need someone to draw the conclusion for you?
The Tegra 3 is a capable of more than Angry Birds. For example, check out the Nvidia demo on youtube here:
On July 12 2012 18:06 jfourz wrote: oh boy can't wait to play shitty android and iphone games on a tv
why do people donate to these scams
because it won't be shitty android games / iphone games.
why do ppl keep re-iterating their same false assumptions over and over again? nvm it's because they can't READ.
pretty sure i can read, here's what i read recently; the whole thing runs off a tegra 3. that is a current gen (read: already dated) processor for smart-phones and tablets
do you need someone to draw the conclusion for you?
The Tegra 3 is a capable of more than Angry Birds. For example, check out the Nvidia demo on youtube here:
games are many orders of magnitude more complex. this demo gets to use the entire cpu to simulate one scene, which will never happen outside of a cutscene (which can be pre-rendered anyway). a particularly famous example of why tech demos are basically worthless in terms of showing what a video game will look like on that hardware is the "namco girl" from the ps2 tech demo + Show Spoiler +
edit: spoilered youtube vid
if you think that the people currently making games that run on tegra 3 are just not taking advantage of it's potential and the ouya will change all that, you are pretty delusional
the only thing this piece of crap does is scam people who already own an android smartphone/tablet into buying another one instead of buying a hdmi hookup and a bluetooth controller
On July 12 2012 17:45 askTeivospy wrote: maybe I live in another world but indie games are really really bad (i make an exception for bastion tho, I'm sure there are others but overall the clear majority aren't actually fun or worth money)
So focusing on indie developers, I have no faith in this console. If there are other features tho for non gaming, ie internet, then it may be interesting for entertainment in that regard
Magicka, Mount&Blade, Amnesia, Minecraft, Dungeon Defenders, LIMBO, ... there are tons of great indie games.
However, for this console i see the typical problems: 1. Noone owns it because there are no games for it 2. Noone develops games for it because noone owns it 3. ??? 4. bankrupt
On July 12 2012 18:06 jfourz wrote: oh boy can't wait to play shitty android and iphone games on a tv
why do people donate to these scams
because it won't be shitty android games / iphone games.
why do ppl keep re-iterating their same false assumptions over and over again? nvm it's because they can't READ.
pretty sure i can read, here's what i read recently; the whole thing runs off a tegra 3. that is a current gen (read: already dated) processor for smart-phones and tablets
do you need someone to draw the conclusion for you?
The Tegra 3 is a capable of more than Angry Birds. For example, check out the Nvidia demo on youtube here:
games are many orders of magnitude more complex. this demo gets to use the entire cpu to simulate one scene, which will never happen outside of a cutscene (which can be pre-rendered anyway). a particularly famous example of why tech demos are basically worthless in terms of showing what a video game will look like on that hardware is the "namco girl" from the ps2 tech demo + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIyu4Aozwbw
edit: spoilered youtube vid
if you think that the people currently making games that run on tegra 3 are just not taking advantage of it's potential and the ouya will change all that, you are pretty delusional
the only thing this piece of crap does is scam people who already own an android smartphone/tablet into buying another one instead of buying a hdmi hookup and a bluetooth controller
You make some valid points. Tegra 3 has improved since the making of that vid, but your point still stands. However you can't honestly suggest that people buy bluetooth controllers for their tablets, just so they can play the few games that support/require it. A developer can't assume that players simply own a controller. Shaping the OUYA as an old-school console, rather than a hdmi hookup and bluetooth controller is actually a logical step if you think about it. It gives people that feeling of familiarity, and there's almost no hassle (don't have to plug stuff in each time, etc). Personally, I'm happy that there's a platform that is easilly accessible for indie developers for the TV with an old school controller. It leaves us with much more options, for specific controls. Not every game controls amazingly with keyboard + mouse or touch pad. Some games really require a controller. XBLA and PSN really aren't great alternatives.
On July 12 2012 17:45 askTeivospy wrote: maybe I live in another world but indie games are really really bad (i make an exception for bastion tho, I'm sure there are others but overall the clear majority aren't actually fun or worth money)
So focusing on indie developers, I have no faith in this console. If there are other features tho for non gaming, ie internet, then it may be interesting for entertainment in that regard
Magicka, Mount&Blade, Amnesia, Minecraft, Dungeon Defenders, LIMBO, ... there are tons of great indie games.
However, for this console i see the typical problems: 1. Noone owns it because there are no games for it 2. Noone develops games for it because noone owns it 3. ??? 4. bankrupt
Point two might not be as bad as you make it sound, because android games will be playable. But yeah, I share your concern. Which is exactly why we should hype it, and not be so pessimistic
I don't see how this is going to be relevant when it starts off (read, no consoles exist at this point) with dated hardware. Dated hardware, that's made for smartphones, with smartphone sized storage (8gb flash, really? my phone has 4x that much), an amount of RAM that seems to come from 5 or more years ago... oh, and no dedicated graphics processor.
How's it going to hold up to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3#System_unit Low price doesn't make up for not being better than a 6 years older system with a ton of games. Big games like Tekken, FF big. Games that don't even have to try being good anymore to sell millions.
It's nice and cute they make an independent platform, making games for XBOX or PS probably sucks hard with all the regulations Sony and Microsoft are potentially forcing on you, let alone licensing, but they'll still need to get some damn impressive games for it before i even consider buying one at par with getting an XBOX or PS. (i only have a PC and PS2)
edit: and are they ONLY offering wireless controllers? What? Hey bro lets play X! Aw SHUCKS controllers not charged. Better wait an hour.
On July 12 2012 20:30 snow2.0 wrote: [...]Big games like Tekken, FF big. Games that don't even have to try being good anymore to sell millions.[...]
how is that a good thing?
It sure is pretty good for Sonys pockets. And money that goes into PS games won't go into Ouya. Limited funds per person and stuff. There is no market until they make BIG BIG GAMES for this.
On July 12 2012 17:45 askTeivospy wrote: maybe I live in another world but indie games are really really bad (i make an exception for bastion tho, I'm sure there are others but overall the clear majority aren't actually fun or worth money)
So focusing on indie developers, I have no faith in this console. If there are other features tho for non gaming, ie internet, then it may be interesting for entertainment in that regard
Magicka, Mount&Blade, Amnesia, Minecraft, Dungeon Defenders, LIMBO, ... there are tons of great indie games.
However, for this console i see the typical problems: 1. Noone owns it because there are no games for it 2. Noone develops games for it because noone owns it 3. ??? 4. bankrupt
It's android based so there are plenty of games for it already, but yes those are in fact tablet/mobile games. Which for some odd reason people have been telling others that this device is not going to be doing, but is in fact exactly what this device is going to be doing.
Still it bothers me that people are saying that this device is to get people in to indie games on the couch when I have pretty much been doing that already.
On July 12 2012 20:30 snow2.0 wrote: [...]Big games like Tekken, FF big. Games that don't even have to try being good anymore to sell millions.[...]
how is that a good thing?
It sure is pretty good for Sonys pockets. And money that goes into PS games won't go into Ouya. Limited funds per person and stuff. There is no market until they make BIG BIG GAMES for this.
That's why it is on kickstarter. with a funding with ~4 million? It obviously doesn't aim to take away market share from sony or nintendo. It's a niche product.
On July 12 2012 17:45 askTeivospy wrote: maybe I live in another world but indie games are really really bad (i make an exception for bastion tho, I'm sure there are others but overall the clear majority aren't actually fun or worth money)
So focusing on indie developers, I have no faith in this console. If there are other features tho for non gaming, ie internet, then it may be interesting for entertainment in that regard
Magicka, Mount&Blade, Amnesia, Minecraft, Dungeon Defenders, LIMBO, ... there are tons of great indie games.
However, for this console i see the typical problems: 1. Noone owns it because there are no games for it 2. Noone develops games for it because noone owns it 3. ??? 4. bankrupt
It's android based so there are plenty of games for it already, but yes those are in fact tablet/mobile games. Which for some odd reason people have been telling others that this device is not going to be doing, but is in fact exactly what this device is going to be doing.
Still it bothers me that people are saying that this device is to get people in to indie games on the couch when I have pretty much been doing that already.
Most mobile/tablet games are touch-based. If the core of your game is based on the touch mechanic then you can't really port it easily.
On July 12 2012 17:45 askTeivospy wrote: maybe I live in another world but indie games are really really bad (i make an exception for bastion tho, I'm sure there are others but overall the clear majority aren't actually fun or worth money)
So focusing on indie developers, I have no faith in this console. If there are other features tho for non gaming, ie internet, then it may be interesting for entertainment in that regard
Magicka, Mount&Blade, Amnesia, Minecraft, Dungeon Defenders, LIMBO, ... there are tons of great indie games.
However, for this console i see the typical problems: 1. Noone owns it because there are no games for it 2. Noone develops games for it because noone owns it 3. ??? 4. bankrupt
It's android based so there are plenty of games for it already, but yes those are in fact tablet/mobile games. Which for some odd reason people have been telling others that this device is not going to be doing, but is in fact exactly what this device is going to be doing.
Still it bothers me that people are saying that this device is to get people in to indie games on the couch when I have pretty much been doing that already.
Most mobile/tablet games are touch-based. If the core of your game is based on the touch mechanic then you can't really port it easily.
Exactly. All of the games have to be modified or even rewritten to work with in a console environment, which basically means there are no games for it yet. For some games that only have 2 buttons on the touch screen anyways it's not a big deal but then again, those games wouldn't be a lot of fun on a console anyways. Any more complex application would need a complete UI overhaul and i don't expect many mobile app developers to actually commit to that unless this console gets a significant market.
On July 12 2012 17:45 askTeivospy wrote: maybe I live in another world but indie games are really really bad (i make an exception for bastion tho, I'm sure there are others but overall the clear majority aren't actually fun or worth money)
So focusing on indie developers, I have no faith in this console. If there are other features tho for non gaming, ie internet, then it may be interesting for entertainment in that regard
Magicka, Mount&Blade, Amnesia, Minecraft, Dungeon Defenders, LIMBO, ... there are tons of great indie games.
However, for this console i see the typical problems: 1. Noone owns it because there are no games for it 2. Noone develops games for it because noone owns it 3. ??? 4. bankrupt
It's android based so there are plenty of games for it already, but yes those are in fact tablet/mobile games. Which for some odd reason people have been telling others that this device is not going to be doing, but is in fact exactly what this device is going to be doing.
Still it bothers me that people are saying that this device is to get people in to indie games on the couch when I have pretty much been doing that already.
Most mobile/tablet games are touch-based. If the core of your game is based on the touch mechanic then you can't really port it easily.
Naturally, but there are plenty of games that mimic a controller on screen. In fact the touch mechanic is more of a nuisance even. I'm no programmer, but those should be much easier to port right? I kinda assumed it would be no problem at all, but if even this is too much to ask for most devs than this thing is a failure before it even began.
On July 12 2012 21:23 Morfildur wrote:Exactly. All of the games have to be modified or even rewritten to work with in a console environment, which basically means there are no games for it yet. For some games that only have 2 buttons on the touch screen anyways it's not a big deal but then again, those games wouldn't be a lot of fun on a console anyways. Any more complex application would need a complete UI overhaul and i don't expect many mobile app developers to actually commit to that unless this console gets a significant market.
So a game like Modern Combat 2 would take more effort to rewrite rather than less?
To be fair, I've considered every multi-platform game as not really being important at all for the console it's ported to. Only games that really influence decision to buy a console are unique games. That being said, the only reason to buy an Xbox 360 atm would be to play Microsoft console games (such as Halo)..
Yea this makes me really hate being a recent graduate.
If I was working right now I'd slam down £500 for this project without a second thought, the implications are really awesome. I hope most people who are funding are aware that it's probably going to take a while before there are really great games available, its not going to be like most consoles in that regard.
However for $100 who can really complain, its an amazing piece of kit that, for once, you have full control over.
I do somewhat worry about piracy, however I think a lot of concerns are unfounded, people, including myself are more than content to pirate $60 titles from major publishers, they are expensive and its often a risk shelling out that money, but $20 or less isn't such a commitment, especially when you get to sub $10, I often buy XBLA games on a whim and don't regret my decisions, although M$ points and increasing costs are concerning.
Really great to see people coming together and funding this, I doubt many of them would even consider themselves console gamers, most of my friends who've shown interest are PC gamers who are more familiar with the concept of open source and its implications for unique and interest projects.
I'm thinking about backing since I think it's probably worth it just to be able to stream twitch.tv through the TV alone.. However are there any other easy ways to do this? And I don't wanna drag a cable across the entire house Also the thought of having all emulators for the TV with a great controller makes me really excited.
On July 12 2012 23:46 kiy0 wrote: With the amount of money they raised, they could easily switch from 1GB to 2GB of RAM and maybe add an additional USB port.
I've got it
Their ability to upgrade the hardware wouldn't come from the money they raise but the amount of units they'll be able to produce. Maybe they'll be able to work something out, they may end up producing more units than they thought.
I suspect they'd just use the difference to produce more units in this particular case though.
The controller has a touchpad, so I assume we will see a lot of mobile ports to begin with. But that is hopefully just the beginning.
Are people saying this is a scam because backers won't actually get the system or that they just don't think it is worth the money? It is cheaper than any other Android 4.0 device I've seen and comes with the ability to easily hook up to your TV with a controller. Plus all the other stuff people have been talking about. Even if I was the only one with one of these, I still think it would be worth it because it would be fun to mess around with it. Maybe the people who are so down on it don't think they would be able to do anything fun on it by themselves.
On July 12 2012 23:46 kiy0 wrote: With the amount of money they raised, they could easily switch from 1GB to 2GB of RAM and maybe add an additional USB port.
I've got it
additional usb port maybe but the 2gb of ram is a waste and pointless for that system and target market, if anything what it needs is more then just 8gigs of flash mem as a hdd. It's an andriod gaming station all it has to do is be better then smart phones, outside of that if someone develops specifically for the system you're allowed to make optimizations that you can't when you don't know exactly what the game will run on.
In my opinion, this is no better than loading up steam and plugging your PC into your tv. Makes everything more difficult and expensive if you have to buy a separate consul.
On July 12 2012 22:28 mikell wrote: To be fair, I've considered every multi-platform game as not really being important at all for the console it's ported to. Only games that really influence decision to buy a console are unique games. That being said, the only reason to buy an Xbox 360 atm would be to play Microsoft console games (such as Halo)..
As it so happens to be, console exclusives (Halo, Uncharted, Gears of War etc) are very good games. I got an xbox for the Gears of War and Halo series alone.
On July 12 2012 22:28 mikell wrote: To be fair, I've considered every multi-platform game as not really being important at all for the console it's ported to. Only games that really influence decision to buy a console are unique games. That being said, the only reason to buy an Xbox 360 atm would be to play Microsoft console games (such as Halo)..
As it so happens to be, console exclusives (Halo, Uncharted, Gears of War etc) are very good games. I got an xbox for the Gears of War and Halo series alone.
I personally feel that Microsoft have no good exclusives for their gaming console, for their PC OS they have a lot though. Sony exclusives have been better since 2009 or so for my tastes.
I doubt I'll get this when it comes out. I am with the others that think it will have too small market and just self die. If I am proved wrong I might get it or just play the games on my PC without getting it.
On July 14 2012 04:33 9-BiT wrote: In my opinion, this is no better than loading up steam and plugging your PC into your tv. Makes everything more difficult and expensive if you have to buy a separate consul.
On August 14 2012 00:30 Pandemona wrote: Bit old i know but,Ouya raised $8.63million for their new console! Madness, from just donations, Android going to need to deliver big now.
Thats not donations, most of the people investing in their Kickstarter will get the console or more for the money they spent. Looking at the specs and price most likely they are selling it with loss to the people "donating" to them.
Can't see why I would want this when I can just keep pulling a HDMI cable from my PC to my TV in addition to owning other consoles.
On July 14 2012 04:33 9-BiT wrote: In my opinion, this is no better than loading up steam and plugging your PC into your tv. Makes everything more difficult and expensive if you have to buy a separate consul.
Why the hell would you need Steam (at all).
Cheap games... tons of indie ones made by developers who are more interested in getting people to know their material than expecting them to pay for it... Isn't this essentially the same?
The main difference would seem to be the console-like controller. I love consoles and they're great for tv-plug-in, and imo computers are not. But I guess opinions vary a lot
On August 14 2012 00:30 Pandemona wrote: Bit old i know but,Ouya raised $8.63million for their new console! Madness, from just donations, Android going to need to deliver big now.
Thats not donations, most of the people investing in their Kickstarter will get the console or more for the money they spent. Looking at the specs and price most likely they are selling it with loss to the people "donating" to them.
Can't see why I would want this when I can just keep pulling a HDMI cable from my PC to my TV in addition to owning other consoles.
actually givens the specs they aren't likely to be making a loss but a profit, you don't seem to understand retail price != wholesale price for oems. Cost of parts for console and one controller probably falls around 60 bucks bump that up to how ever they are getting mass production done, at most i can see it costing them 90 bucks to make a console and ship it to where ever so at worse they are breaking even for the most part.
As far as why people woudl want this, i'm as stumped as you, you can just connect a laptop or a computer to your tv for very much same effect and slap down 20-40 bucks for a controller.
So I just got the email to reserve username and all that. I am not sure if anyone else is interested, but as long as I have enough letters I am going to go with a "TL" tag at the front since this is the main handle I use for almost anything anymore. Any other founders interested in joining me, feel free. =)
I'm bumping the thread quite a bit, although there is now an unboxing video on Youtube for the developer version. They don't show much more than the insides of the console and a boot screen, but it's certainly more promising than just claims that there's a working prototype:
Despite all the skepticism, I want to get one just to mess around with it. The only other console I have available for homebrew development is the Wii, and that's staying at home T_T
I'm certainly waiting until they show something concrete. Unfortunately there isn't any real footage of what the end product will be. With all this money from their kickstarter project, I think it's only natural that it will be disappointing, but when the initial hype is over I'm willing to give this thing a shot.
Does anyone have any experience with the company? Are they perfectionists, like Blizzard How sure is the launch date or even the 99$?
On December 29 2012 02:00 peacenl wrote: I'm certainly waiting until they show something concrete. Unfortunately there isn't any real footage of what the end product will be. With all this money from their kickstarter project, I think it's only natural that it will be disappointing, but when the initial hype is over I'm willing to give this thing a shot.
Does anyone have any experience with the company? Are they perfectionists, like Blizzard How sure is the launch date or even the 99$?
No experience, but I am one that has faith in their process. I know there were some issues developing this thing exactly how they wanted it, but they are moving along. I just got my confirmation email last week about my requested screen name and shipping address and all that jazz. They are still working, so we will just have to wait and see.
Laptops and PC's are just not a good investment anymore, I.M.O., at least not for gaming. If you buy a decent PC now for 800 Euro, it won't be able to run games in good detail that are brought out the very next year, never mind the year after. A game console, where games are created for that specific default hardware configuration. It sounds a lot better to me, especially at that price.
On December 29 2012 04:31 peacenl wrote: Laptops and PC's are just not a good investment anymore, I.M.O., at least not for gaming. If you buy a decent PC now for 800 Euro, it won't be able to run games in good detail that are brought out the very next year, never mind the year after. A game console, where games are created for that specific default hardware configuration. It sounds a lot better to me, especially at that price.
Has anyone of you already pre-ordered one?
Just from the campaign, not the official pre-order from the site. I am not sure how that process is going to go. I figured for the KS campaign though, $100 was a fair price to check one out, even if it isn't that great.
On December 29 2012 04:31 peacenl wrote: Laptops and PC's are just not a good investment anymore, I.M.O., at least not for gaming. If you buy a decent PC now for 800 Euro, it won't be able to run games in good detail that are brought out the very next year, never mind the year after. A game console, where games are created for that specific default hardware configuration. It sounds a lot better to me, especially at that price.
Has anyone of you already pre-ordered one?
Just from the campaign, not the official pre-order from the site. I am not sure how that process is going to go. I figured for the KS campaign though, $100 was a fair price to check one out, even if it isn't that great.
I feel you, if anything you'd get a life time subscription to (partially) free to play indy games :D
On December 29 2012 04:31 peacenl wrote: Laptops and PC's are just not a good investment anymore, I.M.O., at least not for gaming. If you buy a decent PC now for 800 Euro, it won't be able to run games in good detail that are brought out the very next year, never mind the year after. A game console, where games are created for that specific default hardware configuration. It sounds a lot better to me, especially at that price.
i spend about 200-250 every 2 years for a pc upgrade and i have been able to play all pc games at max settings ever since 2005. Thanks to torrents and such i can also test any single player game i want for free, and after buying a 15$ gamepad i can play any NES/SNES/SEGA/N64/PS1 for free on my pc using roms(i pretty much only play games that i owned and bought as a kid so don't hate me retro gamer's!!)
On December 29 2012 04:31 peacenl wrote: Laptops and PC's are just not a good investment anymore, I.M.O., at least not for gaming. If you buy a decent PC now for 800 Euro, it won't be able to run games in good detail that are brought out the very next year, never mind the year after. A game console, where games are created for that specific default hardware configuration. It sounds a lot better to me, especially at that price.
No offense but I had to respond to this. For you and those specific gamers like you who want to play the genre's you play in the way you want to play them, for those people PC's are not a good investment. For gamers like me who do not care about having the best graphics and who do not care for the console gaming genres (shooters, platformers, etc) the PC is the only platform worth having. I have nothing against console gamers, but annoys me to see people act is if their type of gaming is the only type that exists or matters.
On December 29 2012 04:31 peacenl wrote: Laptops and PC's are just not a good investment anymore, I.M.O., at least not for gaming. If you buy a decent PC now for 800 Euro, it won't be able to run games in good detail that are brought out the very next year, never mind the year after. A game console, where games are created for that specific default hardware configuration. It sounds a lot better to me, especially at that price.
No offense but I had to respond to this. For you and those specific gamers like you who want to play the genre's you play in the way you want to play them, for those people PC's are not a good investment. For gamers like me who do not care about having the best graphics and who do not care for the console gaming genres (shooters, platformers, etc) the PC is the only platform worth having. I have nothing against console gamers, but annoys me to see people act is if their type of gaming is the only type that exists or matters.
Don't get me wrong, I don't recommend anyone ditching their PC. Heck, I never had a game console in my 20 years of PC gaming. I just think it's wise to stop the rat race for the newest hardware and best performance, that's all. But truth be told, not everyone is in it for the ultimate graphics, not everyone wants or buys the best stuff out there, and I consider those outside the scope of my complaint
On December 29 2012 04:31 peacenl wrote: Laptops and PC's are just not a good investment anymore, I.M.O., at least not for gaming. If you buy a decent PC now for 800 Euro, it won't be able to run games in good detail that are brought out the very next year, never mind the year after. A game console, where games are created for that specific default hardware configuration. It sounds a lot better to me, especially at that price.
Thats not true. An 800 Euro PC that was built well 4 years ago still carries along fine today. 6 years if you just want to play things that look as good on the consoles since the consoles mostly just stick to 30 fps. Plus a PC offers productivity.
And graphically speaking. Developers have left the consoles a long time ago now.
You just have to have a well built PC.
Thats all this device even is. A small form PC platform designed for indy games. Which is a huge emerging market as the AAA title makers have been proving themselves unreliable over and over.
I wish people wouldn't see this and say "Oh, it's some crappy Android-in-a-box console that nobody will play." I see it as more geared towards developers than gamers. The point of an "indie" console isn't to sell AAA titles and make billions of dollars from all the people who think Call of Duty is the nectar of heaven - there are already things for that. It's not even for PC gamers who love playing intense games with hardcore graphical engines and whatnot. It's for people who want to develop for an embedded system without paying bankloads of money for licensing fees and people who want to play those games. There's a huge difference between developing for a physical embedded platform and developing for PC while gluing controller support.
I'm hoping it'll surpass the Dreamcast in terms of homebrew development.
On December 29 2012 04:31 peacenl wrote: Laptops and PC's are just not a good investment anymore, I.M.O., at least not for gaming. If you buy a decent PC now for 800 Euro, it won't be able to run games in good detail that are brought out the very next year, never mind the year after. A game console, where games are created for that specific default hardware configuration. It sounds a lot better to me, especially at that price.
I know that this kid has been rolled hard already, so I will just make one simple response - games are developed with current technology in mind. Most big budget titles have development times in excess of two years. Hence, as a general rule, if you buy a computer today, you have at least two years during which it is more than sufficient for anything you throw at it. Down the road, you simply upgrade the video card. So you, my friend, are very, very wrong, and really should refrain from making crap postings, particularly with an authoritative tone. At least add "in my uneducated option" in front.
As for the Ouya, I have always had the feeling that it started out as a scam, and that the ringleaders were hoping to make off with a few hundred grand like the ZionEyes peeps (may be same morons for all I know). Hopefully, this is not the case.
On December 29 2012 04:31 peacenl wrote: Laptops and PC's are just not a good investment anymore, I.M.O., at least not for gaming. If you buy a decent PC now for 800 Euro, it won't be able to run games in good detail that are brought out the very next year, never mind the year after. A game console, where games are created for that specific default hardware configuration. It sounds a lot better to me, especially at that price.
I know that this kid has been rolled hard already, so I will just make one simple response - games are developed with current technology in mind. Most big budget titles have development times in excess of two years. Hence, as a general rule, if you buy a computer today, you have at least two years during which it is more than sufficient for anything you throw at it. Down the road, you simply upgrade the video card. So you, my friend, are very, very wrong, and really should refrain from making crap postings, particularly with an authoritative tone. At least add "in my uneducated option" in front.
Kid? I just might be old enough to be your dad (remember, authoritative tone, last time I checked people used kid to belittle someone with an authoritative tone).
Crap postings? that escalated quickly didn't it, all of a sudden we started insulting each other?
Are you serious? You can disagree with me, but stay friendly? Is that so hard?
On December 29 2012 04:31 peacenl wrote: Laptops and PC's are just not a good investment anymore, I.M.O., at least not for gaming. If you buy a decent PC now for 800 Euro, it won't be able to run games in good detail that are brought out the very next year, never mind the year after. A game console, where games are created for that specific default hardware configuration. It sounds a lot better to me, especially at that price.
I know that this kid has been rolled hard already, so I will just make one simple response - games are developed with current technology in mind. Most big budget titles have development times in excess of two years. Hence, as a general rule, if you buy a computer today, you have at least two years during which it is more than sufficient for anything you throw at it. Down the road, you simply upgrade the video card. So you, my friend, are very, very wrong, and really should refrain from making crap postings, particularly with an authoritative tone. At least add "in my uneducated option" in front.
Kid? I just might be old enough to be your dad (remember, authoritative tone, last time I checked people used kid to belittle someone with an authoritative tone).
Crap postings? that escalated quickly didn't it, all of a sudden we started insulting each other?
Are you serious? You can disagree with me, but stay friendly? Is that so hard?
Your posting was crap and full of misinformation. I apologize if I have offended you, but it is what it is. If you disagree, feel free to respond to the actual content of my post as opposed to strutting around with ruffled feathers.
On December 29 2012 04:31 peacenl wrote: Laptops and PC's are just not a good investment anymore, I.M.O., at least not for gaming. If you buy a decent PC now for 800 Euro, it won't be able to run games in good detail that are brought out the very next year, never mind the year after. A game console, where games are created for that specific default hardware configuration. It sounds a lot better to me, especially at that price.
I know that this kid has been rolled hard already, so I will just make one simple response - games are developed with current technology in mind. Most big budget titles have development times in excess of two years. Hence, as a general rule, if you buy a computer today, you have at least two years during which it is more than sufficient for anything you throw at it. Down the road, you simply upgrade the video card. So you, my friend, are very, very wrong, and really should refrain from making crap postings, particularly with an authoritative tone. At least add "in my uneducated option" in front.
Kid? I just might be old enough to be your dad (remember, authoritative tone, last time I checked people used kid to belittle someone with an authoritative tone).
Crap postings? that escalated quickly didn't it, all of a sudden we started insulting each other?
Are you serious? You can disagree with me, but stay friendly? Is that so hard?
Well considering the way generations work younger people ex. children or teens under the age of 16 now would say that consoles are good and are the way to go, what you lack seeing in that though is that PC games net the same players who play things longer or the games in general last longer most console games today for a play through last less than 20 hours because people has shorter attention spans today and COD, and lastly consoles run on the same hardware for now excesses of what almost 6 years(the current xbox has been around what feels like forever now), previously it was about 4 years or so These times stunted developers growth because of hardware restrictions and why things are fps capped at the 30 fps mark usually and still have to deal with gross fps drops.
And considering most people on this forum are between 20 and their late 30's statistically you would have to be almost 50+ to be some of our parents for perspective. You seem rather butthurt over the fact that some one used the term "kid" to describe you but your point sounds that of a casual player who wants low entry cost and low commitment to do something.
On December 29 2012 02:41 Efekkt wrote: To me this seems very unnecessary and gimped. Like others stated pc+hdmi cable+tv+controller=win.
No its not. I don't know of any indie games on the PC that I can use a controller for, and especially not where I can play against my buddy. Most people don't even know how to hook up their pc to their computers, simply can't, or doesn't want to go through the trouble. There is a huge market for the ouya.
I would rather think of it as a tablet you connect to the tv. But then again you wont be able to use controllers (or at least have to go through some hassle to do it), and tablets with that power costs way more in the first place.
Not to mention the ability to mod this thing both software wise and hardware. I'm not sure how much that will come into play, but its something to think about.
Oh, and it wil have a twitch.tv app. Sold already. How brilliant isn't this thing to bring over to your buddy or to Barcraft to stream sc2? No need to bring your entire computer or laptop. Just hook this thing which is smaller than a coffee mug into your TV and you're set to go.
aah don't let it get to you peacenl. Some people are unnecessarily rude, in general this forum is more respectful than this. He's been reported already.
Anyway I agree with the others, I've been using the same computer for a while, but its mainly because I don't need top-level graphics anymore.
I think the major thing is that games are so realistic already, that you don't need the top, top level graphics anymore as its just overkill. Add to that, I think we're actually reaching the limits of computing capacity lol. I think that's why they started doing parallel processing (4 CPU's at once) rather than making one faster and faster as it was before.
I agree with controllers being a barrier for PC titles. "Oh hey, I made this cool indie controller-based game, and I am selling it to you for $5, but guess what, you have to buy a $40 controller in order to play it!"
On December 29 2012 06:53 Maxyim wrote: I agree with controllers being a barrier for PC titles. "Oh hey, I made this cool indie controller-based game, and I am selling it to you for $5, but guess what, you have to buy a $40 controller in order to play it!"
But then you can use it for any other controller base PC game soo its a 1 time thing.
On December 29 2012 06:53 Maxyim wrote: I agree with controllers being a barrier for PC titles. "Oh hey, I made this cool indie controller-based game, and I am selling it to you for $5, but guess what, you have to buy a $40 controller in order to play it!"
But then you can use it for any other controller base PC game soo its a 1 time thing.
Right, but it's still a barrier to the industry, especially for the lower income demographic. Why make the investment when you can get several good big budget traditional games for the same price?
It's very personal what settings you are okay to play with. While you can play on normal game settings. It's very difficult to argue in these regions, I'm hardly surprised so many people took it very dear to heart that you can play any game with 2 old year PC's (hint: SC forum). Of course you can, but that's different from wanting the extreme FPS performance and the best graphics, you will need to buy a new PC each year or two to keep this up.
In order to be able to do both, I just found a great solution in keeping a PC/laptop 6 years for casual stuff such as browsing and business and a gaming console for the heavier stuff such as games. It seems to be a better choice (money<->value wise) than buying a new PC or parts every 3/4 years.
On December 29 2012 07:11 Medrea wrote: Controller for PC is hardly a barrier of entry. Ive been using my Playstation 2 controller since I owned the Playstation 2.
Not everyone has a console. I have also heard that the PS controllers are not ideal / do not work so well, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt seeing your sig.
On December 29 2012 07:04 peacenl wrote: It's very personal what settings you are okay to play with. While you can play on normal game settings. It's very difficult to argue in these regions, I'm hardly surprised so many people took it very dear to heart that you can play any game with 2 old year PC's (hint: SC forum). Of course you can, but that's different from wanting the extreme FPS performance and the best graphics, you will need to buy a new PC each year or two to keep this up.
In order to be able to do both, I just found a great solution in keeping a PC/laptop 6 years for casual stuff such as browsing and business and a gaming console for the heavier stuff such as games. It seems to be a better choice (money<->value wise) than buying a new PC or parts every 3/4 years.
Hint: SC forum? We play a lot more than SC here, my friend. Veiled insults do not make your lack of logic any less pronounced. The simple fact is that you came here with the statement "laptops and PCs are not a good investment for gaming." So, your logic is that people should buy less PCs / laptops and more consoles, with the reasoning that the former need to be replaced "the very next year." Never mind that your logic is flawed (the Intel Core series processors are 3 years old now, and can still handle anything), you also are now suddenly interested in "extreme FPS performance and the best graphics" - aspects which are not variables on consoles; you will have the same performance and graphics for the life of the console because everything you are playing is DUMBED DOWN!
On December 29 2012 07:04 peacenl wrote: It's very personal what settings you are okay to play with. While you can play on normal game settings. It's very difficult to argue in these regions, I'm hardly surprised so many people took it very dear to heart that you can play any game with 2 old year PC's (hint: SC forum). Of course you can, but that's different from wanting the extreme FPS performance and the best graphics, you will need to buy a new PC each year or two to keep this up.
In order to be able to do both, I just found a great solution in keeping a PC/laptop 6 years for casual stuff such as browsing and business and a gaming console for the heavier stuff such as games. It seems to be a better choice (money<->value wise) than buying a new PC or parts every 3/4 years.
Well not everyone strives to play Crysis and Metro 2033 maxxed with a min of 60 fps those people are just trying to hard.
On December 29 2012 07:11 Medrea wrote: Controller for PC is hardly a barrier of entry. Ive been using my Playstation 2 controller since I owned the Playstation 2.
Not everyone has a console. I have also heard that the PS controllers are not ideal / do not work so well, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt seeing your sig.
On December 29 2012 07:04 peacenl wrote: It's very personal what settings you are okay to play with. While you can play on normal game settings. It's very difficult to argue in these regions, I'm hardly surprised so many people took it very dear to heart that you can play any game with 2 old year PC's (hint: SC forum). Of course you can, but that's different from wanting the extreme FPS performance and the best graphics, you will need to buy a new PC each year or two to keep this up.
In order to be able to do both, I just found a great solution in keeping a PC/laptop 6 years for casual stuff such as browsing and business and a gaming console for the heavier stuff such as games. It seems to be a better choice (money<->value wise) than buying a new PC or parts every 3/4 years.
Hint: SC forum? We play a lot more than SC here, my friend. Veiled insults do not make your lack of logic any less pronounced. The simple fact is that you came here with the statement "laptops and PCs are not a good investment for gaming." So, your logic is that people should buy less PCs / laptops and more consoles, with the reasoning that the former need to be replaced "the very next year." Never mind that your logic is flawed (the Intel Core series processors are 3 years old now, and can still handle anything), you also are now suddenly interested in "extreme FPS performance and the best graphics" - aspects which are not variables on consoles; you will have the same performance and graphics for the life of the console because everything you are playing is DUMBED DOWN!
Hmmm? Works great. I just use a $1.70 (thats with shipping) adapter and it works fine. It even supports left, down, up, and right HAT trigger simultaneous inputs (sometimes an issue with dance games).
That controller is considered one of the best controllers to have ever been designed and a lot of enthusiasts still buy them up since they are no longer made.
And yeah if you want to talk about costs between console and PC. You have to keep the playing field leveled. That means playing all games on low settings, and at 30 FPS, and also not always the greatest resolution.
On December 29 2012 07:11 Medrea wrote: Controller for PC is hardly a barrier of entry. Ive been using my Playstation 2 controller since I owned the Playstation 2.
Not everyone has a console. I have also heard that the PS controllers are not ideal / do not work so well, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt seeing your sig.
On December 29 2012 07:04 peacenl wrote: It's very personal what settings you are okay to play with. While you can play on normal game settings. It's very difficult to argue in these regions, I'm hardly surprised so many people took it very dear to heart that you can play any game with 2 old year PC's (hint: SC forum). Of course you can, but that's different from wanting the extreme FPS performance and the best graphics, you will need to buy a new PC each year or two to keep this up.
In order to be able to do both, I just found a great solution in keeping a PC/laptop 6 years for casual stuff such as browsing and business and a gaming console for the heavier stuff such as games. It seems to be a better choice (money<->value wise) than buying a new PC or parts every 3/4 years.
Hint: SC forum? We play a lot more than SC here, my friend. Veiled insults do not make your lack of logic any less pronounced. The simple fact is that you came here with the statement "laptops and PCs are not a good investment for gaming." So, your logic is that people should buy less PCs / laptops and more consoles, with the reasoning that the former need to be replaced "the very next year." Never mind that your logic is flawed (the Intel Core series processors are 3 years old now, and can still handle anything), you also are now suddenly interested in "extreme FPS performance and the best graphics" - aspects which are not variables on consoles; you will have the same performance and graphics for the life of the console because everything you are playing is DUMBED DOWN!
On December 29 2012 04:31 peacenl wrote: Laptops and PC's are just not a good investment anymore, I.M.O., at least not for gaming. If you buy a decent PC now for 800 Euro, it won't be able to run games in good detail that are brought out the very next year, never mind the year after. A game console, where games are created for that specific default hardware configuration. It sounds a lot better to me, especially at that price.
No offense but I had to respond to this. For you and those specific gamers like you who want to play the genre's you play in the way you want to play them, for those people PC's are not a good investment. For gamers like me who do not care about having the best graphics and who do not care for the console gaming genres (shooters, platformers, etc) the PC is the only platform worth having. I have nothing against console gamers, but annoys me to see people act is if their type of gaming is the only type that exists or matters.
Don't get me wrong, I don't recommend anyone ditching their PC. Heck, I never had a game console in my 20 years of PC gaming. I just think it's wise to stop the rat race for the newest hardware and best performance, that's all. But truth be told, not everyone is in it for the ultimate graphics, not everyone wants or buys the best stuff out there, and I consider those outside the scope of my complaint
Are there any OUYA game developers here? I have been sitting a long time with a few game blueprints that I've never realized. It just seems like a leap of faith to start developing for such an unproven system. Is there any advantage in starting now or do you think it's better to wait?
The list of confirmed games is pretty large already:
The DEV Jam games received a lot of criticism. Even though there were only 10 days of development time and the OUYA is clearly not going to compete with xbox or playstation.
I'm not sure why people are even considering that the OUYA might "compete". It wasn't made to compete with anything T_T If you're primarily concerned with getting to an audience with the OUYA, it's probably not the best thing to start working with.
My main concern is how well native stuff is/will be supported. From what I've seen, it still isn't the most stellar thing (although that's probably a fault with Android to begin with).
Ouya suddenly gets crappy http://www.joystiq.com/2013/02/07/expect-new-ouya-console-every-year/ Consoles normally last close to 7 years, getting a new Ouya every year means a $700 investment in the same period of time as a normal console. Next gen consoles arent looking to cost $700, closer to the $400-$500 range. Worse still, the Ouya controller somehow manages to cost $50 too.
I imagine annual iterations will make it difficult to design games for as well. Then there is the issue that new games wont work on old Ouya's due to performance limitations.
The more I learn about the Ouya, the less I am impressed. I dont see this doing well outside of a niche crowd, I mean I can just hook my cell phone up to my TV if I want to play that style of game.
There will also be successors to the Ouya, they will continue to improve it, and i really think that the Ouya has potential for those casual people out there, its cheap, its versatile, and could prove to be alot of fun imo.
Who knows, the next iteration could be a MASSIVE improvement and prove to be able to compete with the next get consoles.
On February 10 2013 11:11 eXePensai wrote: There will also be successors to the Ouya, they will continue to improve it, and i really think that the Ouya has potential for those casual people out there, its cheap, its versatile, and could prove to be alot of fun imo.
Who knows, the next iteration could be a MASSIVE improvement and prove to be able to compete with the next get consoles.
The cheapness factor goes away when you need to pay another $100 every year. I dont understand how it is versatile. Yes, it could be a lot of fun, but why not just hook your phone up to the TV? And the next iteration wont be a massive improvement because they are limited to cell phone technology. Consoles use PC technology.
I seriously doubt manufacturing a better but slightly different version of this system is financially feasible as that would mean having to modify the manufacturing line / parts every year along with discarding whatever inventory of previous versions not used as a loss or discounted. Furthermore, it's going to cause little to severe headaches for developers as now they have to consider audiences of the latest Ouya and the past Ouyas.
I expect instead each version being on 2 - 3 year cycle assuming OUYA, the company itself, doesn't go bankrupt. I'd be concerned that the founder is talking about the future of Ouya assuming it's going to be a success when there's huge doubts, risks, and competition for the first Ouya in a niche market.
On February 10 2013 11:11 eXePensai wrote: There will also be successors to the Ouya, they will continue to improve it, and i really think that the Ouya has potential for those casual people out there, its cheap, its versatile, and could prove to be alot of fun imo.
Who knows, the next iteration could be a MASSIVE improvement and prove to be able to compete with the next get consoles.
The cheapness factor goes away when you need to pay another $100 every year. I dont understand how it is versatile. Yes, it could be a lot of fun, but why not just hook your phone up to the TV? And the next iteration wont be a massive improvement because they are limited to cell phone technology. Consoles use PC technology.
Where does it say that you have to buy the latest version in order to enjoy using the console at all?
On February 10 2013 11:11 eXePensai wrote: There will also be successors to the Ouya, they will continue to improve it, and i really think that the Ouya has potential for those casual people out there, its cheap, its versatile, and could prove to be alot of fun imo.
Who knows, the next iteration could be a MASSIVE improvement and prove to be able to compete with the next get consoles.
The cheapness factor goes away when you need to pay another $100 every year. I dont understand how it is versatile. Yes, it could be a lot of fun, but why not just hook your phone up to the TV? And the next iteration wont be a massive improvement because they are limited to cell phone technology. Consoles use PC technology.
Where does it say that you have to buy the latest version in order to enjoy using the console at all?
It doesnt, but what are you going to do when the new one comes out and the new games require the new consoles specs?
They say that the hardware opens up and you can do your own upgrades as with a PC. I doubt a lot of the games will be requiring the maximum specs (OUYA isn't really marketing towards the hardcore graphics crowd) and if you really need an upgrade in a couple years you can do it yourself.
What I'm more interested in is Twitch. I still don't have a good way to stream to my TV without hooking up a laptop via HDMI because my Samsung Smart TV is one without a browser. > $100 to stream and have casual games I can play with friends (and wife) is gonna be a no brainer for me.
On July 02 2013 07:58 Excludos wrote: Just got this (tad late because Norwegian customs are probably the slowest and worst in europe).
Already using it to watch dota on twitch :D worth it for this alone ^-^
worth $100 to watch other people play dota through a website?
not to say that it isn't worth $100 for other reasons, but i have 10+ devices in my home that can do that, no need to buy another one
You have 10 devices that can do that?! Good for you! How does that improve my situation?
edit: Kinda douche answer, but you set yourself up for it. I clearly meant its worth it for that alone -for me-. I have no other way to easily stream to my tv. Also, its not a website, but an app made for improved performance on android devices (right now its actually just a straight clone from the one they have in the play store for mobile phones, which works fine, except you can't adjust the resolution for the stream (its stuck on max as far as I can see)).
And yes, it obviously does other things too. I haven't had time to try out the other aspects of it yet.
On July 02 2013 07:58 Excludos wrote: Just got this (tad late because Norwegian customs are probably the slowest and worst in europe).
Already using it to watch dota on twitch :D worth it for this alone ^-^
worth $100 to watch other people play dota through a website?
not to say that it isn't worth $100 for other reasons, but i have 10+ devices in my home that can do that, no need to buy another one
You have 10 devices that can do that?! Good for you! How does that improve my situation?
having a bad day?
edit: Kinda douche answer, but you set yourself up for it. I clearly meant its worth it for that alone -for me-. I have no other way to easily stream to my tv. Also, its not a website, but an app made for improved performance on android devices (right now its actually just a straight clone from the one they have in the play store for mobile phones, which works fine, except you can't adjust the resolution for the stream (its stuck on max as far as I can see)).
And yes, it obviously does other things too. I haven't had time to try out the other aspects of it yet.
set myself up for what? when you say that something is "worth it for this reason alone" you "set yourself up for it"
edit: Kinda douche answer, but you set yourself up for it. I clearly meant its worth it for that alone -for me-. I have no other way to easily stream to my tv. Also, its not a website, but an app made for improved performance on android devices (right now its actually just a straight clone from the one they have in the play store for mobile phones, which works fine, except you can't adjust the resolution for the stream (its stuck on max as far as I can see)).
And yes, it obviously does other things too. I haven't had time to try out the other aspects of it yet.
set myself up for what? when you say that something is "worth it for this reason alone" you "set yourself up for it"
I don't think too highly of the Ouya myself but I think you should think about what you're doing right now and ask yourself why.
On July 02 2013 07:58 Excludos wrote: Just got this (tad late because Norwegian customs are probably the slowest and worst in europe).
Already using it to watch dota on twitch :D worth it for this alone ^-^
worth $100 to watch other people play dota through a website?
not to say that it isn't worth $100 for other reasons, but i have 10+ devices in my home that can do that, no need to buy another one
You have 10 devices that can do that?! Good for you! How does that improve my situation?
having a bad day?
edit: Kinda douche answer, but you set yourself up for it. I clearly meant its worth it for that alone -for me-. I have no other way to easily stream to my tv. Also, its not a website, but an app made for improved performance on android devices (right now its actually just a straight clone from the one they have in the play store for mobile phones, which works fine, except you can't adjust the resolution for the stream (its stuck on max as far as I can see)).
And yes, it obviously does other things too. I haven't had time to try out the other aspects of it yet.
set myself up for what? when you say that something is "worth it for this reason alone" you "set yourself up for it"
I don't think too highly of the Ouya myself but I think you should think about what you're doing right now and ask yourself why.
posting on forums? why does anyone post on forums?
On July 02 2013 07:58 Excludos wrote: Just got this (tad late because Norwegian customs are probably the slowest and worst in europe).
Already using it to watch dota on twitch :D worth it for this alone ^-^
worth $100 to watch other people play dota through a website?
not to say that it isn't worth $100 for other reasons, but i have 10+ devices in my home that can do that, no need to buy another one
You have 10 devices that can do that?! Good for you! How does that improve my situation?
having a bad day?
edit: Kinda douche answer, but you set yourself up for it. I clearly meant its worth it for that alone -for me-. I have no other way to easily stream to my tv. Also, its not a website, but an app made for improved performance on android devices (right now its actually just a straight clone from the one they have in the play store for mobile phones, which works fine, except you can't adjust the resolution for the stream (its stuck on max as far as I can see)).
And yes, it obviously does other things too. I haven't had time to try out the other aspects of it yet.
set myself up for what? when you say that something is "worth it for this reason alone" you "set yourself up for it"
I don't think too highly of the Ouya myself but I think you should think about what you're doing right now and ask yourself why.
posting on forums? why does anyone post on forums?
clearly, to show off and provoke?
"oh you like that? i got 10 of those" "why do i post? cus i can dude"
On July 02 2013 07:58 Excludos wrote: Just got this (tad late because Norwegian customs are probably the slowest and worst in europe).
Already using it to watch dota on twitch :D worth it for this alone ^-^
worth $100 to watch other people play dota through a website?
not to say that it isn't worth $100 for other reasons, but i have 10+ devices in my home that can do that, no need to buy another one
You have 10 devices that can do that?! Good for you! How does that improve my situation?
having a bad day?
edit: Kinda douche answer, but you set yourself up for it. I clearly meant its worth it for that alone -for me-. I have no other way to easily stream to my tv. Also, its not a website, but an app made for improved performance on android devices (right now its actually just a straight clone from the one they have in the play store for mobile phones, which works fine, except you can't adjust the resolution for the stream (its stuck on max as far as I can see)).
And yes, it obviously does other things too. I haven't had time to try out the other aspects of it yet.
set myself up for what? when you say that something is "worth it for this reason alone" you "set yourself up for it"
I don't think too highly of the Ouya myself but I think you should think about what you're doing right now and ask yourself why.
posting on forums? why does anyone post on forums?
clearly, to show off and provoke?
"oh you like that? i got 10 of those" "why do i post? cus i can dude"
am i clearly posting to "show off and provoke"? making a vague reference to how many electronic doodads i might have? you seem insecure. just because you view something as provoking does not mean that is the goal of the statement - it's actually pretty conceited to assume that your immediate assessment of someone's intentions are fact
On July 02 2013 07:58 Excludos wrote: Just got this (tad late because Norwegian customs are probably the slowest and worst in europe).
Already using it to watch dota on twitch :D worth it for this alone ^-^
worth $100 to watch other people play dota through a website?
not to say that it isn't worth $100 for other reasons, but i have 10+ devices in my home that can do that, no need to buy another one
You have 10 devices that can do that?! Good for you! How does that improve my situation?
having a bad day?
edit: Kinda douche answer, but you set yourself up for it. I clearly meant its worth it for that alone -for me-. I have no other way to easily stream to my tv. Also, its not a website, but an app made for improved performance on android devices (right now its actually just a straight clone from the one they have in the play store for mobile phones, which works fine, except you can't adjust the resolution for the stream (its stuck on max as far as I can see)).
And yes, it obviously does other things too. I haven't had time to try out the other aspects of it yet.
set myself up for what? when you say that something is "worth it for this reason alone" you "set yourself up for it"
I don't think too highly of the Ouya myself but I think you should think about what you're doing right now and ask yourself why.
posting on forums? why does anyone post on forums?
clearly, to show off and provoke?
"oh you like that? i got 10 of those" "why do i post? cus i can dude"
am i clearly posting to "show off and provoke"? making a vague reference to how many electronic doodads i might have? you seem insecure. just because you view something as provoking does not mean that is the goal of the statement - it's actually pretty conceited to assume that your immediate assessment of someone's intentions are fact
i was merely expressing why people were pointing fingers at you, reasons you seem to have no idea of or something insignificant to brush off. i guess i'm just insecure..i'll call ADT right now!
On July 02 2013 07:58 Excludos wrote: Just got this (tad late because Norwegian customs are probably the slowest and worst in europe).
Already using it to watch dota on twitch :D worth it for this alone ^-^
worth $100 to watch other people play dota through a website?
not to say that it isn't worth $100 for other reasons, but i have 10+ devices in my home that can do that, no need to buy another one
You have 10 devices that can do that?! Good for you! How does that improve my situation?
having a bad day?
edit: Kinda douche answer, but you set yourself up for it. I clearly meant its worth it for that alone -for me-. I have no other way to easily stream to my tv. Also, its not a website, but an app made for improved performance on android devices (right now its actually just a straight clone from the one they have in the play store for mobile phones, which works fine, except you can't adjust the resolution for the stream (its stuck on max as far as I can see)).
And yes, it obviously does other things too. I haven't had time to try out the other aspects of it yet.
set myself up for what? when you say that something is "worth it for this reason alone" you "set yourself up for it"
I don't think too highly of the Ouya myself but I think you should think about what you're doing right now and ask yourself why.
posting on forums? why does anyone post on forums?
clearly, to show off and provoke?
"oh you like that? i got 10 of those" "why do i post? cus i can dude"
am i clearly posting to "show off and provoke"? making a vague reference to how many electronic doodads i might have? you seem insecure. just because you view something as provoking does not mean that is the goal of the statement - it's actually pretty conceited to assume that your immediate assessment of someone's intentions are fact
hmmm ironic post. i was merely expressing why people were pointing fingers at you, reasons you seem to have no idea of or something insignificant to brush off. i guess i'm just insecure..i'll call ADT right now!
ironic i do not think it means what you think it means
but back to the necro: have you found any games that you feel make it worth purchasing?
On July 02 2013 07:58 Excludos wrote: Just got this (tad late because Norwegian customs are probably the slowest and worst in europe).
Already using it to watch dota on twitch :D worth it for this alone ^-^
worth $100 to watch other people play dota through a website?
not to say that it isn't worth $100 for other reasons, but i have 10+ devices in my home that can do that, no need to buy another one
You have 10 devices that can do that?! Good for you! How does that improve my situation?
having a bad day?
edit: Kinda douche answer, but you set yourself up for it. I clearly meant its worth it for that alone -for me-. I have no other way to easily stream to my tv. Also, its not a website, but an app made for improved performance on android devices (right now its actually just a straight clone from the one they have in the play store for mobile phones, which works fine, except you can't adjust the resolution for the stream (its stuck on max as far as I can see)).
And yes, it obviously does other things too. I haven't had time to try out the other aspects of it yet.
set myself up for what? when you say that something is "worth it for this reason alone" you "set yourself up for it"
I don't think too highly of the Ouya myself but I think you should think about what you're doing right now and ask yourself why.
posting on forums? why does anyone post on forums?
clearly, to show off and provoke?
"oh you like that? i got 10 of those" "why do i post? cus i can dude"
am i clearly posting to "show off and provoke"? making a vague reference to how many electronic doodads i might have? you seem insecure. just because you view something as provoking does not mean that is the goal of the statement - it's actually pretty conceited to assume that your immediate assessment of someone's intentions are fact
Dude, seriously. Any normal person should be able to look at his own posts and figure out why other people think he's a dick, even more so when people are pointing it out too you. If you still don't understand it, I suggest lessons in socializing.
I don't mind discussing the merits of the Ouya. But not to someone who come across as elitist in his posts.
On July 02 2013 07:58 Excludos wrote: Just got this (tad late because Norwegian customs are probably the slowest and worst in europe).
Already using it to watch dota on twitch :D worth it for this alone ^-^
worth $100 to watch other people play dota through a website?
not to say that it isn't worth $100 for other reasons, but i have 10+ devices in my home that can do that, no need to buy another one
You have 10 devices that can do that?! Good for you! How does that improve my situation?
having a bad day?
edit: Kinda douche answer, but you set yourself up for it. I clearly meant its worth it for that alone -for me-. I have no other way to easily stream to my tv. Also, its not a website, but an app made for improved performance on android devices (right now its actually just a straight clone from the one they have in the play store for mobile phones, which works fine, except you can't adjust the resolution for the stream (its stuck on max as far as I can see)).
And yes, it obviously does other things too. I haven't had time to try out the other aspects of it yet.
set myself up for what? when you say that something is "worth it for this reason alone" you "set yourself up for it"
I don't think too highly of the Ouya myself but I think you should think about what you're doing right now and ask yourself why.
posting on forums? why does anyone post on forums?
clearly, to show off and provoke?
"oh you like that? i got 10 of those" "why do i post? cus i can dude"
am i clearly posting to "show off and provoke"? making a vague reference to how many electronic doodads i might have? you seem insecure. just because you view something as provoking does not mean that is the goal of the statement - it's actually pretty conceited to assume that your immediate assessment of someone's intentions are fact
Dude, seriously. Any normal person should be able to look at his own posts and figure out why other people think he's a dick, even more so when people are pointing it out too you. If you still don't understand it, I suggest lessons in socializing.
i will help you understand 1. necro says ouya is worth purchasing for one specific reason 2. i disagree, provide example why (but leave open for dialogue about other possible reasons which i'm sure exist for purchasing) 3. necro gets offended (but edits to a more graceful post) 4. you guys get offended on behalf of necro (still for no good reason)
you guys are up in arms for no reason, please calm yourself
On July 02 2013 07:58 Excludos wrote: Just got this (tad late because Norwegian customs are probably the slowest and worst in europe).
Already using it to watch dota on twitch :D worth it for this alone ^-^
worth $100 to watch other people play dota through a website?
not to say that it isn't worth $100 for other reasons, but i have 10+ devices in my home that can do that, no need to buy another one
You have 10 devices that can do that?! Good for you! How does that improve my situation?
having a bad day?
edit: Kinda douche answer, but you set yourself up for it. I clearly meant its worth it for that alone -for me-. I have no other way to easily stream to my tv. Also, its not a website, but an app made for improved performance on android devices (right now its actually just a straight clone from the one they have in the play store for mobile phones, which works fine, except you can't adjust the resolution for the stream (its stuck on max as far as I can see)).
And yes, it obviously does other things too. I haven't had time to try out the other aspects of it yet.
set myself up for what? when you say that something is "worth it for this reason alone" you "set yourself up for it"
I don't think too highly of the Ouya myself but I think you should think about what you're doing right now and ask yourself why.
posting on forums? why does anyone post on forums?
clearly, to show off and provoke?
"oh you like that? i got 10 of those" "why do i post? cus i can dude"
am i clearly posting to "show off and provoke"? making a vague reference to how many electronic doodads i might have? you seem insecure. just because you view something as provoking does not mean that is the goal of the statement - it's actually pretty conceited to assume that your immediate assessment of someone's intentions are fact
Dude, seriously. Any normal person should be able to look at his own posts and figure out why other people think he's a dick, even more so when people are pointing it out too you. If you still don't understand it, I suggest lessons in socializing.
i will help you understand 1. necro says ouya is worth purchasing for one specific reason 2. i disagree, provide example why 3. necro gets offended (but edits to a more graceful post) 4. you guys get offended on behalf of necro (still for no good reason)
you guys are up in arms for no reason, please calm yourself
1. I necroed it because I just got one, and I was happy with it already (its not really necro since it was never a dead topic, its just been a while since the last post) 2. The guy above you did just that. 3. still not necro. And yes, I get offended when someone answers a post where I proclaim I'm happy with a product, with "lol, you payed to do THAT? I have 10 of those!"...put this in nr 2 if you can't be bothered to scroll up. 4. Because his ability to look at how someone comes across to others outmatches yours. 5. I can assure you, I'm quite calm. No idea why you're picturing an angry mob shouting at you. 6. Stop posting in lists. You can string together two sentences like anyone else.
On July 02 2013 08:05 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote: [quote] worth $100 to watch other people play dota through a website?
not to say that it isn't worth $100 for other reasons, but i have 10+ devices in my home that can do that, no need to buy another one
You have 10 devices that can do that?! Good for you! How does that improve my situation?
having a bad day?
edit: Kinda douche answer, but you set yourself up for it. I clearly meant its worth it for that alone -for me-. I have no other way to easily stream to my tv. Also, its not a website, but an app made for improved performance on android devices (right now its actually just a straight clone from the one they have in the play store for mobile phones, which works fine, except you can't adjust the resolution for the stream (its stuck on max as far as I can see)).
And yes, it obviously does other things too. I haven't had time to try out the other aspects of it yet.
set myself up for what? when you say that something is "worth it for this reason alone" you "set yourself up for it"
I don't think too highly of the Ouya myself but I think you should think about what you're doing right now and ask yourself why.
posting on forums? why does anyone post on forums?
clearly, to show off and provoke?
"oh you like that? i got 10 of those" "why do i post? cus i can dude"
am i clearly posting to "show off and provoke"? making a vague reference to how many electronic doodads i might have? you seem insecure. just because you view something as provoking does not mean that is the goal of the statement - it's actually pretty conceited to assume that your immediate assessment of someone's intentions are fact
Dude, seriously. Any normal person should be able to look at his own posts and figure out why other people think he's a dick, even more so when people are pointing it out too you. If you still don't understand it, I suggest lessons in socializing.
i will help you understand 1. necro says ouya is worth purchasing for one specific reason 2. i disagree, provide example why 3. necro gets offended (but edits to a more graceful post) 4. you guys get offended on behalf of necro (still for no good reason)
you guys are up in arms for no reason, please calm yourself
1. I necroed it because I just got one, and I was happy with it already (its not really necro since it was never a dead topic, its just been a while since the last post) 2. The guy above you did just that. 3. still not necro. And yes, I get offended when someone answers a post where I proclaim I'm happy with a product, with "lol, you payed to do THAT? I have 10 of those!"...put this in nr 2 if you can't be bothered to scroll up. 4. Because his ability to look at how someone comes across to others outmatches yours. 5. I can assure you, I'm quite calm. No idea why you're picturing an angry mob shouting at you. 6. Stop posting in lists. You can string together two sentences like anyone else.
trying to break it down for you guys because it seems hard to grasp.
'"lol, you payed to do THAT? I have 10 of those!"...put this in nr 2 if you can't be bothered to scroll up.' you still don't seem to understand. i'm not bashing on the fact that you purchased it or that you like it for just one reason. i am saying that your original statement "worth it for just this reason" doesn't apply to everyone because "example"
i consider a necro anything where the last post before yours says "old post". please don't take offense to that. sorry for not realizing that you were the necro when i replied. there are just so many of you guys.
edit - i'm also not bashing on you for necroing the thread - that is just a term used to refer to you (similar to when someone says "OP")
You have 10 devices that can do that?! Good for you! How does that improve my situation?
having a bad day?
edit: Kinda douche answer, but you set yourself up for it. I clearly meant its worth it for that alone -for me-. I have no other way to easily stream to my tv. Also, its not a website, but an app made for improved performance on android devices (right now its actually just a straight clone from the one they have in the play store for mobile phones, which works fine, except you can't adjust the resolution for the stream (its stuck on max as far as I can see)).
And yes, it obviously does other things too. I haven't had time to try out the other aspects of it yet.
set myself up for what? when you say that something is "worth it for this reason alone" you "set yourself up for it"
I don't think too highly of the Ouya myself but I think you should think about what you're doing right now and ask yourself why.
posting on forums? why does anyone post on forums?
clearly, to show off and provoke?
"oh you like that? i got 10 of those" "why do i post? cus i can dude"
am i clearly posting to "show off and provoke"? making a vague reference to how many electronic doodads i might have? you seem insecure. just because you view something as provoking does not mean that is the goal of the statement - it's actually pretty conceited to assume that your immediate assessment of someone's intentions are fact
Dude, seriously. Any normal person should be able to look at his own posts and figure out why other people think he's a dick, even more so when people are pointing it out too you. If you still don't understand it, I suggest lessons in socializing.
i will help you understand 1. necro says ouya is worth purchasing for one specific reason 2. i disagree, provide example why 3. necro gets offended (but edits to a more graceful post) 4. you guys get offended on behalf of necro (still for no good reason)
you guys are up in arms for no reason, please calm yourself
1. I necroed it because I just got one, and I was happy with it already (its not really necro since it was never a dead topic, its just been a while since the last post) 2. The guy above you did just that. 3. still not necro. And yes, I get offended when someone answers a post where I proclaim I'm happy with a product, with "lol, you payed to do THAT? I have 10 of those!"...put this in nr 2 if you can't be bothered to scroll up. 4. Because his ability to look at how someone comes across to others outmatches yours. 5. I can assure you, I'm quite calm. No idea why you're picturing an angry mob shouting at you. 6. Stop posting in lists. You can string together two sentences like anyone else.
trying to break it down for you guys because it seems hard to grasp.
'"lol, you payed to do THAT? I have 10 of those!"...put this in nr 2 if you can't be bothered to scroll up.' you still don't seem to understand. i'm not bashing on the fact that you purchased it or that you like it for just one reason. i am saying that your original statement "worth it for just this reason" doesn't apply to everyone because "example"
i consider a necro anything where the last post before yours says "old post". please don't take offense to that. sorry for not realizing that you were the necro when i replied. there are just so many of you guys.
edit - i'm also not bashing on you for necroing the thread - that is just a term used to refer to you (similar to when someone says "OP")
*sighs* you still don't seem to get this. Its not about what your intentions are, but how you come across. The way you write your posts make you come across as elitist, thus you annoy whoever you're writing too, and get annoyed answers back. This is doubly so on the internet where you can't read facial expressions or tone.
This is a very simple concept.
I'm done offtopic'ing though. I can't be arsed to give out lessons on how to socialize to grown ass (presumably) men. back to the Ouya:
Already some things I've started to notice. The software isn't too stable, especially in the market menu. I've managed to crash twice on downloading apps. And you crash 100% of you start downloading it, and then click "back" (guessing the download in background feature isn't properly in place yet). You also should be able to bring up a mouse somehow. Like I mentioned above, you can't adjust quality on thw twitch.tv app because you can't click on the button, and no button on the controller is assigned to it. If you could bring up a mouse pointer whenever you wanted too, you could bring over a lot of apps straight from the Play Store without big adjustments.
edit: Well. Nevermind everything I just said. There's a touchpad I honestly didn't know about. It brings out a mouse when you touch it..
Looking back at the Ouya, what have I used it for so far: pretty much constantly for Twitch.tv streaming and occasionally SNES games or TowerFall with friends. But I have to wonder, if I would have a smart TV would I still use it? I think probably not that much.
Downsides: - Controller keyword sometimes has trouble deciding whether you're pressing right or down. - I've already bought games accidently, it takes one wrong move to buy something -.- - Out of the hundreds of games, there are only 10 at the most worth-while games.
Upsides: - Good mediacenter features, because it allows you to connect your harddrive and play videos, music or online streaming - Play SNES and NES games with friends - It barely takes up any space - Barely any half-finished games
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At least in theory. haha.
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