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Czarnodziej
Poland624 Posts
On October 11 2012 23:47 Medrea wrote: RNG does take away from the experience some. If there is a shot one of my squads can take and I myself can make that shot no problem in real life, it shouldnt miss. RNG is a paradigm of turn based games. Don't change something if it is already great. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
 there's always HWPs for frontline scouting, but that can get expensive early on and they take a lot of space in a dropship. | ||
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zocktol
Germany1928 Posts
On October 11 2012 23:44 Yacobs wrote: Sorry, but people who have more refined taste aren't "happy" that a new XCOM came out and it's designed for console players. We would be "happy" if the game came out and it actually lived up to the standard set by its predecessor. I don't get the mentality that people with no standards are the ones who deserve to be catered to. So you are saying people that liked the old game and just want better graphics and dislike the design decisions made, which make sense if you follow the reasoning of the developers, are wrong and if i like them i should feel bad for not having a "refined" taste? | ||
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Pufftrees
2449 Posts
www.twitch.tv/pufftrees Game Update Near the end of July. Have upgraded alien fighter craft with body armor/laser weapons. I had a full wipe of my elite troops back in Early June, but I pushed on without restarting and most have re-leveled (although they are low). I have abandoned Africa but have satellite coverage of every other nation. My tech tree is nearly ended as I've been waiting to gear/tech up my troops. Now I will focus on capturing a live specimen. Enjoy! | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On October 12 2012 00:11 Pufftrees wrote: Continuing my playthrough... and streaming :D www.twitch.tv/pufftrees Game Update Near the end of July. Have upgraded alien fighter craft with body armor/laser weapons. I had a full wipe of my elite troops back in Early June, but I pushed on without restarting and most have re-leveled (although they are low). I have abandoned Africa but have satellite coverage of every other nation. My tech tree is nearly ended as I've been waiting to gear/tech up my troops. Now I will focus on capturing a live specimen. Enjoy! This game sounds 100% more awesome to me now..I thought it was just a normal turn based RPG with campaign, this sounds like a hell of a lot more awesome then that... Brb begging wife. I might watch some, but i have the LoL rematches to watch too :3 - Just ruined it know the winners, fuck riot, watching pufftrees in anger @ riot. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On October 11 2012 23:56 Czarnodziej wrote: RNG is a paradigm of turn based games. Don't change something if it is already great. Yeah but its not really done great. Final Fantasy Tactics had RNG strategy but the system was built around very very tangible odds. If your strategy is built around 50/50 odds, its usually a bad strategy. Also when both allies and enemies die in one or two hits, it exacerbates the RNG. | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
Next time i try to capture the last Alien i guess instead of killing it even though i doubt it's possible | ||
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Simberto
Germany11797 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On October 12 2012 00:20 Medrea wrote: Yeah but its not really done great. Final Fantasy Tactics had RNG strategy but the system was built around very very tangible odds. If your strategy is built around 50/50 odds, its usually a bad strategy. Also when both allies and enemies die in one or two hits, it exacerbates the RNG. You might be looking for a different game then. About your I could make the shot LOL. Which one? The one where you run up to the face of a 2+ meter alien and blast him with your shotgun? You would not be even called to join xcom troops lol. You will just say any bullshit to make your case right? | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On October 12 2012 00:38 Simberto wrote: Are there no stunsticks in this game? Those made capturing aliens possible in xcom, also you still had to take losses for a capured alien until you get stunbombs. And of course you captured a lot of aliens when they blew themselves up with stunbombs. There are but you need to reduce alien life to 3 hp or lower before you can use them. Also you need to sacrifice bombs or medkits or other upgrades to carry the "stunstick". | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On October 12 2012 00:38 Simberto wrote: Are there no stunsticks in this game? Those made capturing aliens possible in xcom, also you still had to take losses for a capured alien until you get stunbombs. And of course you captured a lot of aliens when they blew themselves up with stunbombs. There are Stunweapons , called Arc Projector . Gotta get really close to it and the Alien hast to be pretty low on HP for it. ( Well the first ones are really low on HP anyway. ) | ||
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Simberto
Germany11797 Posts
On October 12 2012 00:40 -Archangel- wrote: You might be looking for a different game then. About your I could make the shot LOL. Which one? The one where you run up to the face of a 2+ meter alien and blast him with your shotgun? You would not be even called to join xcom troops lol. You will just say any bullshit to make your case right? Given the average time to live of an x-com agent, i think not getting called to join them is a good thing. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
Already lost about 5 nations. In month 4 now. It went south when I lost the mission where you need to disarm the bomb. After that I was trailing behind and started losing troops in stupid ways, not to mention I could not shoot down one craft and it destroyed my satellite. How did any of you finish the bomb disarm mission on Classic? Is there any trick I need to know about that one. Also the game seems to be scripted, at least the geoscape part. Events happen not random like in old X-com but in sequence and ask you to manage your base perfectly to do them. Like that bigger alien craft. I didn't have money to upgrade my fighters by that moment in the game. Also when you capture first live sectoid things change, did any try to really not do that for a longer while to "farm" for upgrades and better tech? | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On October 12 2012 00:46 Simberto wrote: Given the average time to live of an x-com agent, i think not getting called to join them is a good thing. But he would be their best shot, didn't you know?  | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
our brit is fast with new games | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22208 Posts
On October 11 2012 23:53 Simberto wrote: I just replayed the original a bit last week, and the only way i found to reliably end mission without a lot of losses was to just have very good Psi-Ops, and use aliens to scout everything instead of your own soldiers. Before that, yes, you can reduce losses, but never completely negate them. Even when you blow up every single house on the map, that guy will still stand exactly behind the last piece of wall you destroyed, and reactionshot you in the face, then proceed to throw a grenade onto your squad the next turn because the 3 guys who still had time left missed him. I never expected more then half of my squad coming back from terror missions. I agree that i often lost soldiers in the older XCOM's aswell but never before has it been so punishing to lose even a single soldier. 7 soldiers cost as much as a building so if your replacing regularly you will never be able to improve your base which causes you to fall behind in sat/engi/research. Further you cant even decide which of the 4 classes you get so if you lose 2 assaults your stuck trying to run a a squad of rookies around to find new assaults. Add to that the skill tree heavily favoring experiences soldiers and deaths really become crippling. Before it was released people were expecting dead soldiers to be a big deal during missions but imo its a giant issue outside it. | ||
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Yacobs
United States846 Posts
On October 11 2012 23:58 zocktol wrote: So you are saying people that liked the old game and just want better graphics and dislike the design decisions made, which make sense if you follow the reasoning of the developers, are wrong and if i like them i should feel bad for not having a "refined" taste? Huh? That's not at all what I said. I'm actually at a loss how you could have come away with that meaning. | ||
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thesideshow
930 Posts
Once you accept that you will inevitably take losses, tailoring your tactics around that is just part of the challenge of the game. I do think that the randomness of the classing does make it much more frustrating though. | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On October 12 2012 01:52 thesideshow wrote: I don't recall much of the original xcom (was a clueless kid when I played it, though i did play it alot), but I don't think RNG is a bad mechanic. Once you accept that you will inevitably take losses, tailoring your tactics around that is just part of the challenge of the game. I do think that the randomness of the classing does make it much more frustrating though. At least they kinda try to make up for it with rewards for missions. Alot of times when chosing mssion at least one of the rewards will be a soldier of a specific class you might need / could use. Not to mention he'll already be at least sort of seasoned. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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