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zergnewb
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States816 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-12 16:42:06
June 12 2013 16:40 GMT
#2401
Well there are different ways to invade through different covenants, and they all have their own special rules about invading. Blue phantoms which are Dark Moon Blades don't have that only lvl's higher than yours rule. Also a lot of people like invading with as low a level character as possible to get more invades, but on a level one run character they did an entire play through with so they have really good gear.

The only time you HAVE to be human is when you kindle a bonfire, so I suggest finding a way to kill yourself, or run through the level and when someone invades, find a safe spot to wait and fight them, and if you die just stay hollow.
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Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
June 12 2013 16:42 GMT
#2402
Then don't be in human form or disconnect your internet. If you're not in human form you don't get invaded. You can be invaded by anyone in a certain soul level range, I don't remember exactly what. You don't have to build pvp to enjoy the pvp in this game. It's part of the lore and the environment. Just like helping someone you can kill someone. It's really not that big of a deal.
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-12 16:45:30
June 12 2013 16:44 GMT
#2403
I think the soul level range for invading is +- 10% of your level, but not completely sure about that.

might be your SL +-10% +10 actually
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zergnewb
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States816 Posts
June 12 2013 16:49 GMT
#2404
For DarkWraiths which is the most common covenant to invade through, the rule with the Red Eye Orb is apparently -10% of the invader's level, or any level higher. Then DarkMoons have the rule of +(10+10% of invader's level) or any level lower.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11521 Posts
June 12 2013 17:04 GMT
#2405
On June 13 2013 01:42 Infernal_dream wrote:
Then don't be in human form or disconnect your internet. If you're not in human form you don't get invaded. You can be invaded by anyone in a certain soul level range, I don't remember exactly what. You don't have to build pvp to enjoy the pvp in this game. It's part of the lore and the environment. Just like helping someone you can kill someone. It's really not that big of a deal.


Yeah, i am already dead all the time because i find it just annoying and don't see any point in it. I just don't understand why i have to have some asshole killing me each time i kindle a bonfire. It adds nothing to the game. And suiciding afterwards feels even more stupid. I don't want to have to suicide just so no asshole can kill me.

And lets face it, if someone invades me, i die. Each time. Those guys PvP all the time, and are prepared for PvP. I PvP never, and am prepared to deal with monsters. Most likely i am also currently fighting something when they invade me. It is just an annoying thing that i don't see why it is in my PvE game. I know it happens only when i am alive, but i have to be alive to kindle bonfires.
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
June 12 2013 17:08 GMT
#2406
On June 13 2013 02:04 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 01:42 Infernal_dream wrote:
Then don't be in human form or disconnect your internet. If you're not in human form you don't get invaded. You can be invaded by anyone in a certain soul level range, I don't remember exactly what. You don't have to build pvp to enjoy the pvp in this game. It's part of the lore and the environment. Just like helping someone you can kill someone. It's really not that big of a deal.


Yeah, i am already dead all the time because i find it just annoying and don't see any point in it. I just don't understand why i have to have some asshole killing me each time i kindle a bonfire. It adds nothing to the game. And suiciding afterwards feels even more stupid. I don't want to have to suicide just so no asshole can kill me.

And lets face it, if someone invades me, i die. Each time. Those guys PvP all the time, and are prepared for PvP. I PvP never, and am prepared to deal with monsters. Most likely i am also currently fighting something when they invade me. It is just an annoying thing that i don't see why it is in my PvE game. I know it happens only when i am alive, but i have to be alive to kindle bonfires.


It does add to the game. It's the lore and the presence of other souls. Just like how you can help other people you can kill them. I know it's annoying as fuck to you and you'd rather play without it but it's a base part of what makes the game what it is. It'd be very strange to have messages and allow friendly invasions but not only hostile ones. Or to only allow messages but no invasions.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11521 Posts
June 12 2013 17:15 GMT
#2407
Well, i don't care for the messages or friendly invasions either. I am just playing a singleplayer RPG where i get horribly murdered by assholes each time i find a safepoint.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
June 12 2013 17:16 GMT
#2408
I think that the consequences for invading should be a bit higher, whether you win or lose. Right now it seems lopsided because the invader almost always gets the upper hand since they get to prepare specifically for pvp while the invaded cannot.
that, or make pvp a opt-in experience like every other game.
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zergnewb
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States816 Posts
June 12 2013 18:01 GMT
#2409
If you really don't want any of that stuff you can just play it offline. If the game loses connection it restarts itself (on PC at least) into offline mode and you can play that invader free.
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Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
June 12 2013 18:03 GMT
#2410
On June 13 2013 03:01 zergnewb wrote:
If you really don't want any of that stuff you can just play it offline. If the game loses connection it restarts itself (on PC at least) into offline mode and you can play that invader free.

This works on the consoles too (though it's probably easier since you can just unplug the ethernet).
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
June 12 2013 21:26 GMT
#2411
I fought the gaping dragon and killed him with my third attempt, but WTF is responsible for Blighttown?! I´ve already died like 50 times and did not even get beyond the first bonfire. I already started to run through and leave the monsters aside since I see no point in fighing them. Most of the time it´s just wasting flasks and dying to poison or falling from an edge. Now it has become trial & error... I mean it´s okay that this game is challenging but this is just too much. :-/
arkedos
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1426 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-12 21:36:14
June 12 2013 21:35 GMT
#2412
On June 13 2013 06:26 JoeCool wrote:
I fought the gaping dragon and killed him with my third attempt, but WTF is responsible for Blighttown?! I´ve already died like 50 times and did not even get beyond the first bonfire. I already started to run through and leave the monsters aside since I see no point in fighing them. Most of the time it´s just wasting flasks and dying to poison or falling from an edge. Now it has become trial & error... I mean it´s okay that this game is challenging but this is just too much. :-/


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zergnewb
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States816 Posts
June 12 2013 21:42 GMT
#2413
Yeah Upper Blighttown is just an absolute shit hole and always will be. Do not feel too bad about it.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11521 Posts
June 12 2013 22:29 GMT
#2414
Yeah, don't understand why you would put so many narrow platforms and edges in a game that is not very good at dealing with narrow spaces from which you can fall to your death. But positively, upper Blighttown is the only place in the game that is like that.
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
June 14 2013 10:39 GMT
#2415
Finally, after three+ hours of pain and tears I reached the swamp at the bottom and went through this huge tree. I feel like either my weapon is too weak or I should put more points into str/dex. It takes forever to kill a monster :-/ currently I use my longsword +4 but I found this katana-like sword. Iaito I believe...
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
June 14 2013 11:19 GMT
#2416
On June 14 2013 19:39 JoeCool wrote:
Finally, after three+ hours of pain and tears I reached the swamp at the bottom and went through this huge tree. I feel like either my weapon is too weak or I should put more points into str/dex. It takes forever to kill a monster :-/ currently I use my longsword +4 but I found this katana-like sword. Iaito I believe...

1. Get out of that tree, you're going the "wrong" way.
2. All weapons in Dark Souls are balanced. A huge ass weapon does more damage per hit than your longsword, but on the other hand, you can't attack as fast with it and it takes more stamina to use. The iaito is a good weapon, but don't start using it expecting it to be a better weapon than your longsword, it's all about the moveset.
3. Putting in str/dex won't change your damage to any noticeable degree, that only happens on weapons which scale well, and they only scale well when upgraded to high levels (+10 at least).

So basically, upgrade your longsword to +5 and go the "right" way (you should be fighting queelag), and you'll be fine. You can find your first elemental weapon in sens fortress after queelag which will boost your damage a lot.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
June 14 2013 12:57 GMT
#2417
I made the mistake of going to that tree before I was ready for it too, its just going to be a big pain in your dick so turn around and go fight quelaag.
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zergnewb
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States816 Posts
June 14 2013 13:06 GMT
#2418
If you have the large ember, which you should since you get it in the depths, then you can also farm the giant leeches in the swamp for the large titanite shards you'll need to get your weapon to +10. I'd recommend this before Sen's Fortress.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11521 Posts
June 14 2013 13:26 GMT
#2419
You don't even need to farm a lot, at this point you should have enough large shards to upgrade your sword to +7/8 or more. However, you are down here now, and probably don't want to go back up^^.

You have two choices, which i will now put into the spoiler.

+ Show Spoiler +

Go out of that tree, that is not a choice. The whole tree area is optional, and quite a bit harder. There is also not that much interesting stuff in there, either, and you could get cursed which is a pain to get rid off. Then get the bonfire in the swamp.

From here on, either go kill Quelaag with your +4 sword, which might or might not work. It could be pretty hard.

Go to the wheel, up the wheel, up on the left. Up, up, up, until you reach the valley of drakes. There is a direct way from here to firelink shrine. If you missed the large ember in the depth, go get it in the kitchen behind the first butcher. Upgrade your weapon as high as you can. Remember that you can buy titanite shards at the Blacksmiths, so there is no reason to have any weapon below +5 at this point, or any armor below +3.

If you want to, experiment a bit with which weapons you like before spending your large shards, since at this point they are not that easy to replenish. You can buy them for souls later, too, but they are a bit expensive. There are weapons with different qualities. I think the longsword is not that bad overall, though. But maybe you like something else more.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-14 13:48:35
June 14 2013 13:48 GMT
#2420
Don't do Blighttown the "legit" way, you're gonna want to rip your dick out. Go through the Firelink Shrine shortcut if you took the master key as a gift, or follow Simberto's instruction above. If you don't think you can solo Quelaag, you can defeat Maneater Mildred somewhere around the swamp bonfire, and then as a human you can summon her right outside of the Quelaag boss fight room. Mildred doesn't really do a lot of damage but she can soak up a lot of it, giving you quite a bit of breathing room.
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