EPTSuperBowl 2012 - Page 42
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EvilTeletubby
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OneOther
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TwoToneTerran
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Any hey another Manning gets a ring. Vicariously affirm Archie Manning wooooo | ||
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Asshat
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On February 06 2012 16:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: That wasn't a miracle catch. It was a well thrown ball and a well made catch on a well designed route. Patriots got plain outplayed. Any hey another Manning gets a ring. Vicariously affirm Archie Manning wooooo What are you even talking about? That was a really even game, and it came down to a couple of plays and blown opportunities for the Pats to lose. I am not sure if you are talking about that specific play or the game in general. That play, I mean yea, the Pats had good coverage but the throw/catch were just too good obviously. It was actually thrown into two close double-coverage, if I remember correctly. It was by all means really close. Staying in bounds by a couple of inches. But perfect throw from Eli and clearly he deserves credit. The drop by Welker is going to make me lose sleep. | ||
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DannyJ
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
Nah, people should just be hyperbolic and dramatic. Seriously though, I get where youre coming from but taking a break and letting yourself heal is not giving up. Its the opposite of giving up. Its called being patient and using your brain instead of acting on emotion. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On February 06 2012 16:41 OneOther wrote: What are you even talking about? That was a really even game, and it came down to a couple of plays and blown opportunities for the Pats to lose. I am not sure if you are talking about that specific play or the game in general. That play, I mean yea, the Pats had good coverage but the throw/catch were just too good obviously. It was actually thrown into two close double-coverage, if I remember correctly. It was by all means really close. Staying in bounds by a couple of inches. But perfect throw from Eli and clearly he deserves credit. The drop by Welker is going to make me lose sleep. I was talking about that play specifically, though I do think the Giants outplayed the Patriots in general (They had them dead to rights when Bradshaw sat down on accident in the endzone) The thing is, you called it a miracle catch like the Tyree one -- no way, no how. He caught your safety too far underneath on a go route and placed it on a dime, right where and when Manningham was expecting it. The Tyree miracle catch was a completely broken play and a heaved up prayer that had every bit the same chance of being intercepted as caught, on a play where the Patriots had the Giants beat on both coverage and on the line. The first Pats vs Giants game was honestly a flukey win, this one was not. The game was boring but it was two good teams playing pretty well and the Giants played better. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
On February 06 2012 16:41 OneOther wrote: What are you even talking about? That was a really even game, and it came down to a couple of plays and blown opportunities for the Pats to lose. Isn't that how you can describe a lot of football games? I mean seriously, rewind back one series vs Baltimore. That was seriously Baltimore's game to lose, Pat's were pretty outplayed then too but just 1-2 key plays makes all the difference in the NFL.  | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On February 06 2012 16:50 TwoToneTerran wrote: I was talking about that play specifically, though I do think the Giants outplayed the Patriots in general (They had them dead to rights when Bradshaw sat down on accident in the endzone) The thing is, you called it a miracle catch like the Tyree one -- no way, no how. He caught your safety too far underneath on a go route and placed it on a dime, right where and when Manningham was expecting it. The Tyree miracle catch was a completely broken play and a heaved up prayer that had every bit the same chance of being intercepted as caught, on a play where the Patriots had the Giants beat on both coverage and on the line. The first Pats vs Giants game was honestly a flukey win, this one was not. The game was boring but it was two good teams playing pretty well and the Giants played better. Hmm yea I am fine with your definition of a miracle catch. I didn't really mean to suggest that it was some crazy flukey play. It was an excellent play on the Giants part, but a difficult throw and an extremely catch nonetheless. Shows how good Eli was during that drive. That's what I meant, and I was flabbergasted when that play was made. I am going to disagree with you that the Giants outplayed the Patriots in general. It was a very even game in my eyes. The Giants played "better" in the sense that they made the right plays when it mattered the most. I can already count so many blown opportunities and dumb mistakes on the Patriots part, whereas I can't say the same for the Giants. The Ninkovich penalty after getting the stop in the fourth quarter, 12 men on the field after the fumble, Welker dropped pass, Hernandez dropped pass, and so on. So yea, like I said, Giants did a better job in terms of avoiding these mistakes and making the right plays at the right times. But when we are talking about it from a pure offensive and defensive standpoint, I would say it was even. (And why the game came down to the wire) | ||
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LF9
United States537 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On February 06 2012 16:55 EvilTeletubby wrote: Isn't that how you can describe a lot of football games? I mean seriously, rewind back one series vs Baltimore. That was seriously Baltimore's game to lose, Pat's were pretty outplayed then too but just 1-2 key plays makes all the difference in the NFL. Haha yea, that's how you describe a lot of playoff games when two even teams are matched up, an even game is played and then it comes down to couple plays. We escaped right by the Ravens, I thought we were going to lose for sure. Flacco played better than Tom for three quarters (who had an awful game, in his own words). On February 06 2012 17:00 LF9 wrote: The Ravens really should have been playing in the SB instead of the Patriots in the first place. Lee Evans caught a touchdown pass, and the officials for some reason (I guess they were ordered to?) decided to rule it incomplete. But the Ravens are the real AFC champions, and had they been playing, the Giants wouldn't be the champions right now. I guess the NFL decided it had to intervene and make sure two big market teams were playing in the super bowl. Okay that's just false. It wasn't a touchdown, they ruled it incomplete because it says so in the rulebook. This is just a stupid argument. Stop stating your opinions (or wishes) like they are facts. http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/03/nfl-will-not-make-changes-to-the-calvin-johnson-rule/1 | ||
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cmen15
United States1519 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
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cmen15
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LF9
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Focuspants
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OneOther
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On February 06 2012 16:58 OneOther wrote: Hmm yea I am fine with your definition of a miracle catch. I didn't really mean to suggest that it was some crazy flukey play. It was an excellent play on the Giants part, but a difficult throw and an extremely catch nonetheless. Shows how good Eli was during that drive. That's what I meant, and I was flabbergasted when that play was made. I am going to disagree with you that the Giants outplayed the Patriots in general. It was a very even game in my eyes. The Giants played "better" in the sense that they made the right plays when it mattered the most. I can already count so many blown opportunities and dumb mistakes on the Patriots part, whereas I can't say the same for the Giants. The Ninkovich penalty after getting the stop in the fourth quarter, 12 men on the field after the fumble, Welker dropped pass, Hernandez dropped pass, and so on. So yea, like I said, Giants did a better job in terms of avoiding these mistakes and making the right plays at the right times. But when we are talking about it from a pure offensive and defensive standpoint, I would say it was even. (And why the game came down to the wire) First down run called back for holding deep that turned a field goal into a punt, 12 men on the field to keep patriots drive alive at the end, couple of fumbles that costed yardage. Probably some more I'm forgetting, but it's all moot as everything you're listing is reasons WHY the Patriots played worse. You're making my argument for me -- a team that makes a lot of mistakes played worse than a team that didn't. The difference in the game was pretty much that Gronk got hurt directly before the game, who had carried them almost as much as Brady during the regular season (Giants had tons of injuries but had the core group that got them there). That and the ill advised prayer heave Brady had that turned into an interception. Giants offense played similarly well and I'd say their defense was much better in the sense that they forced Tom to play a little below himself. | ||
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LF9
United States537 Posts
On February 06 2012 17:00 OneOther wrote: Haha yea, that's how you describe a lot of playoff games when two even teams are matched up, an even game is played and then it comes down to couple plays. We escaped right by the Ravens, I thought we were going to lose for sure. Flacco played better than Tom for three quarters (who had an awful game, in his own words). Okay that's just false. It wasn't a touchdown, they ruled it incomplete because it says so in the rulebook. This is just a stupid argument. Stop stating your opinions (or wishes) like they are facts. http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/03/nfl-will-not-make-changes-to-the-calvin-johnson-rule/1 You should probably go watch the play before you say anything. He catches the ball, one foot hits, the next foot hits, then it is stripped. If you read the actual rules it would be a touchdown. Saying "they ruled it incomplete because it says so in the rulebook" doesn't make any sense. I don't think you even know what game I'm talking about, let alone what play. | ||
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