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Crystallized
Profile Joined May 2006
Singapore3 Posts
May 01 2006 16:44 GMT
#181
Hi guys, new to this website.... actually yea.. not new to DoTA though, but can someone tell me.. why is it that bane elemental is owning SVEN!?!?!?!?

Not me using sven another guy.. but i saw bane elemental owning him.. i thought SVEN was good with the god strength. i saw a guy on god str with 400 plus damage bonus
s4rk
Profile Joined December 2003
Philippines137 Posts
May 01 2006 17:21 GMT
#182
probably this only lasted early game as fiend's grip brain sap is very hard to deal with esp. if you are both solo in your lanes (unless the sven is a noob and the bane is a decent player)
o rly
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17753 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-05-01 18:08:19
May 01 2006 18:07 GMT
#183
Hahaha, Fiend's Grip -> Brain Sap -> Nightmare can so own And I guess that's how Sven got owned (his ulti finished before he was ever able to move) and full Bane > terribly hurt Sven (especially if Bane has linken's sphere and Sven can't stun him, if we'll add hex from guinsoo and/or dagon to that...)
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
May 01 2006 19:46 GMT
#184
OMG So much dota noobs, just looking at the item builds suggested... lol
If you want good builds go to www.dota-allstars.com and read some guides(avoid the ones with lots of criticism from other posters, ofc) or download some higher level games.
I'll call Nada.
Crystallized
Profile Joined May 2006
Singapore3 Posts
May 01 2006 19:54 GMT
#185
Well im a good sven.. but i find dwarven a noob hero.. in a sense its really quite easy to use man.. shoot shoot shoot buy items and then assasinate.. sigh.. well. i must learn. can u post any replys manit0u. i missed all the others as they lasted only 3 days on yousendit....
suxN
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Finland1167 Posts
May 01 2006 20:17 GMT
#186
i didnt read the whole article but if lich is somekind of "weak hero" then why is he picked often in CAL games :|
I dont want to be totally out :3
Crystallized
Profile Joined May 2006
Singapore3 Posts
May 01 2006 20:17 GMT
#187
oh sorry btw whats a nuker?
One Page Memory
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Bulgaria2145 Posts
May 01 2006 22:48 GMT
#188
Just a random thought:
Lone Druid is very good team hero. Very good.
Jin Youngsoo before game with Savior: But, I demanded myself (of composure) by saying: Same old, same old - only a Zerg, only a Zerg
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
May 01 2006 23:30 GMT
#189
i take atropos alot in some matches against nukers, you know you can deny a kill by brain sapping yourself? o.O
lich isnt weak, its good throughout, i think the point the other person was making is that some pub nubs might think hes too good to the point of imbalance.
sniper might be of the more noob friendly heros but his low health makes him a pretty sweet early gank target.
Get it by your hands...
Paragon
Profile Joined February 2006
United States295 Posts
May 02 2006 06:12 GMT
#190

lich isnt weak, its good throughout, i think the point the other person was making is that some pub nubs might think hes too good to the point of imbalance.


Lich is actually that good.

He is banned from 3/4 of IHL AP games.
Not that Subway Wouldn`t still be pro, just not as pro as other things.. It`d be the Mumyung of sandwich places, I guess. - SweeTLemonS[TPR]
FrinkX
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States958 Posts
May 02 2006 09:43 GMT
#191
if anyone wants to come play dota w/ us you're welcome to

we hang out in Clan uA on east. the only ones from bw are me, whiteflame-x17 and aBnarf, and a few others you wouldn't know.

we use ventrilo and play a loooot of dota. some cool guys. www.clancas.net/g for the vent info
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17753 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-05-02 12:12:35
May 02 2006 11:57 GMT
#192
On May 02 2006 04:54 Crystallized wrote:
Well im a good sven.. but i find dwarven a noob hero.. in a sense its really quite easy to use man.. shoot shoot shoot buy items and then assasinate.. sigh.. well. i must learn. can u post any replys manit0u. i missed all the others as they lasted only 3 days on yousendit....


Well, I could post some reps but I've got some problems with uploading them. If you want some of my reps (99% of dota reps I've got are experimenting with odd builds) just pm me.
If you'd like the best/most used build for certain hero also pm me stating what hero/build you'd like to see and I'll send you a rep of me playing this hero/making this build via msn or to your email.

Edit:

Some random reps of gams I've took part in lately:

http://h1.ripway.com/Manit0u/axe.w3g (2x RoR + 2x Preser build -> Meka, odd but wanted to try it)

http://h1.ripway.com/Manit0u/ogre.w3g (I think ogre works better with aghanim...)

http://h1.ripway.com/Manit0u/huh.w3g (don't really know what's that, but by size I judge it's dota)

http://h1.ripway.com/Manit0u/funny.w3g (this one or previous one is the game that we should lose because of heroes/leaver but we've won, if I'm enigma there it's this game, was quite entertaining at 5 am).

btw. I've noticed I'm addicted to making Mekansm with each hero lately, is that bad? Also I don't like to make s&y (I prefer mkb or sth like that instead), is that also bad? Perhaps I just miss the old times :/
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17753 Posts
May 02 2006 12:02 GMT
#193
On May 02 2006 08:30 Judicator wrote:
i take atropos alot in some matches against nukers, you know you can deny a kill by brain sapping yourself? o.O
lich isnt weak, its good throughout, i think the point the other person was making is that some pub nubs might think hes too good to the point of imbalance.
sniper might be of the more noob friendly heros but his low health makes him a pretty sweet early gank target.


Didn't know you could brainsap yourself anyway most people forget that you can brainsap creeps and die stupidily.
Sniper is so boring with his 500dmg ulti that has 10 sec cooldown :/ Just walk around and find wounded enemies.
As to the lich... He can be strong in some combos or when you're playing against noobs but in other cases he's mostly useful only for chill/slowdown effects.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
One Page Memory
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Bulgaria2145 Posts
May 02 2006 20:02 GMT
#194
Anyone help with good reps of Lone Druid?
Jin Youngsoo before game with Savior: But, I demanded myself (of composure) by saying: Same old, same old - only a Zerg, only a Zerg
s4rk
Profile Joined December 2003
Philippines137 Posts
May 02 2006 23:25 GMT
#195
Nothing is wrong with you using those items. All players have their own preferences in choosing items. It all depends on what you think will make that hero effective based on your role in the game and personal play style.
o rly
ZaplinG
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3818 Posts
May 02 2006 23:26 GMT
#196
On May 02 2006 18:43 FrinkX wrote:
if anyone wants to come play dota w/ us you're welcome to

we hang out in Clan uA on east. the only ones from bw are me, whiteflame-x17 and aBnarf, and a few others you wouldn't know.

we use ventrilo and play a loooot of dota. some cool guys. www.clancas.net/g for the vent info


Yes, come join the fun!
Don't believe the florist when he tells you that the roses are free
uidf
Profile Joined April 2004
Seychelles370 Posts
May 03 2006 00:13 GMT
#197
i might drop in there with you guys later whe i get home from work. can i still play with youll if i dun have a mic?
tiffany
Profile Joined November 2003
3664 Posts
May 03 2006 04:08 GMT
#198
On May 02 2006 20:57 Manit0u wrote:
btw. I've noticed I'm addicted to making Mekansm with each hero lately, is that bad? Also I don't like to make s&y (I prefer mkb or sth like that instead), is that also bad? Perhaps I just miss the old times :/


5 int (one being chen) + 5 mekansms is what allowed the current cal-dota champions to win their side before level 14. so no mekansms are not bad at all, but they are more team oriented, not as useful in pubs.

s&y is only truely useful on a select few heroes... for others the money is better spent on mkb or buriza, like you mentioned, or a lvl 4 str/agi/int item. off the top of my head, i like s&y with sb for the extra move speed damage, jugg and bs for ias, sa for health and ns for being the best chaser in the game at night.

heroes to never get s&y with: naga - get a diffusal instead as the mana break works for images, but maim does not. lancer - again, images do not benefit. am - use bashers instead because s&y won't work with mana burn. bm - her poison orb is better than the maim. pa - she needs mkb and satanic. and obviously never get s&y on an int hero.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-05-03 08:22:56
May 03 2006 08:21 GMT
#199
meka is also one of those items that get progressively worse as the game drags on longer albeit not by much but definitely noticeable if you are the only one with it, its becoming a quick auto item mid game for me on the new hero obsidian destroyer

also, what exactly works with images? i know the standards are diffusals, but do bashers/mael/etc. work with it?
Get it by your hands...
stealthfire
Profile Joined May 2006
1 Post
May 15 2006 18:25 GMT
#200
Didn't know you could brainsap yourself anyway most people forget that you can brainsap creeps and die stupidily.
Sniper is so boring with his 500dmg ulti that has 10 sec cooldown :/ Just walk around and find wounded enemies.
As to the lich... He can be strong in some combos or when you're playing against noobs but in other cases he's mostly useful only for chill/slowdown effects.


Brainsap Creeps?... Brainsap costs 200 mana. I'd rather wait reallly far behind the creep line coming fourth only for short moments to feel that exp and regen. Not to mention the odds of you having <150HP and 200> mana isn't really good.

You must be kidding or not know what you are talking about regarding the lich. It is very easy to go through the whole game without dying while still contributing using him. Aggressive liches are even more scary though. He's just got stats that are WAY too high for an intel hero. Compare to Rylai, notice how his stats completely > her. And yeah, chain frost makes it impossible to 1v2 him. Although summoners like prophet and necro'lic are better protected against him, its overall a very bad idea to take on lich as a group. Send naix/omni/jugger/luna to solo him instead.

As for the sniper, he's food. Food for any hero with a disable. Hell he's food even to some heroes without disables. (Luna/Jugger)

http://spaces.msn.com/eyeofskadi/blog/cns!8F3E3C65FC7A66B0!269.entry

My own version of the noob dota guide. More detailed than whats on the first page of this topic anyway.
Youre effing kidding me
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