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Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
May 17 2006 13:13 GMT
#221
Syllabear is one of the 'harder' heroes to play but once you build him and his bear up, he is friggin good. You will cut through all kinds of bullshit.

My build (I'll list the important items):

hands of midas/power treads/sange and yasha and myself (range mode until late game)

power treads/hyperstone/basher/basher on bear

the rest of the items depends on your opponents

Use rabid on your bear if you have to choose between yourself and the bear. You will get so much entangle and bash that if you're decently lucky, you can kill stealth assassin before he can return invisible.
('''(G_G/'''')
OverTheUnder
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2929 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-05-17 13:22:42
May 17 2006 13:20 GMT
#222
yea, there are different ways to play him. Alot of it should also depend on who the enemy heroes are. If you just buy a little bit for yourself and start giving the bear items early, you need to go bear form somewhat early so sylla can survive as well. I think one general build would be something like boots ,wraithbands ( or bracers in case of many nukers)and a ror, then give your bear treads and a basher. Then you can go from there.

edit: this is just another possible early game bear build from what heen posted. It basically revolves around keeping the bear alive and make use of pushing abilities while your in the process of building a basher;O Just make sure Sylla has enough survivability when you do this though.
Honor would be taking it up the ass and curing all diseases, damn how stupid can people get. -baal http://puertoricanbw.ytmnd.com/
Ethenielle
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Norway1006 Posts
May 17 2006 21:11 GMT
#223
I played my first dota game yesterday(whats dota short for anyways;p), got a hero named "Magnus" - weak as hell, didn't do SHIT damage and died instantly :| What am I supposed to do with the guy?
Theres a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.
One Page Memory
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Bulgaria2145 Posts
May 17 2006 22:55 GMT
#224
Ok, I played Lone Druid like a hundred + games.
My impressions:
Best way is to have Syllabear maxed at 7th level and synergy maxed at 8, no special, no second. Special once at 9 level, then max roar. At start I byu Ring + 2 Branches. No boots - doesn't need them. Then - recipe for blood. After that go for Boots and Sange+Yash, while byuing some rings (+2 armor, since bear has only 6) for the bear. Then - Power Thread for the bear and if possible - Boots of Travel. At this poin all differs - Bashers are good, HyperStone is also very good, return damage to the syllabear if too many strenght heroes.
Basicly Lone Druid is very good at interval 7-16,17 level. If happened to not gather enough money till this moment you're screwed.
Jin Youngsoo before game with Savior: But, I demanded myself (of composure) by saying: Same old, same old - only a Zerg, only a Zerg
tiffany
Profile Joined November 2003
3664 Posts
May 18 2006 02:48 GMT
#225
Ethenielle: your best bet is www.dota-allstars.com
beavis.smurf
Profile Joined December 2005
United States339 Posts
May 18 2006 02:51 GMT
#226
DotA is a crime to wcIII.
a korean just pulled off some sexy cheese and got cheesed back - tasteless
Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
May 18 2006 09:07 GMT
#227
I prefer maxing out bear/rabid/synergy in that order and get bear form later.

I don't see the point of getting boots of travel on yourself. Power treads are better and cheaper on this character.

He's pretty much good from lvl 12 to 25 imo. I don't know why you're saying that he gets worse after 16?

Armor on the bear seems pretty useless to me. People will usually not go for your bear in a fight.
('''(G_G/'''')
5HITCOMBO
Profile Joined March 2006
Japan2239 Posts
May 18 2006 09:36 GMT
#228
Bear is always useful in pubs for when the player leaves and he has a buff bear. You can use it to hold back creep pushes while your towers beat on creeps. Heh.
I live in perpetual fear of terrorists and studio gangsters
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17390 Posts
May 18 2006 10:04 GMT
#229
On May 18 2006 06:11 Ethenielle wrote:
I played my first dota game yesterday(whats dota short for anyways;p), got a hero named "Magnus" - weak as hell, didn't do SHIT damage and died instantly :| What am I supposed to do with the guy?


1. DotA = Defence of the Ancients
2. Magnus (Magnataur) is really pwn hero - extremely good for team games and very good for soloing, he has decent skills, pwn ultimate etc. you just have to learn how to play him.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
May 18 2006 11:04 GMT
#230
Magnus is such a boring piece of shit :D

He isn't for pwn4age killing. That isn't to say he can't fight but he is a steady non-sneaky hero. After your basic low lvl items, get a perseverance so you don't have to go to town. It will also help you spam your 300 dmg nuke which costs only 90 mana -_-;

Later turn it into a battle fury and you will be a creeping god.

Use your buffs on heros that deal the most damage/can get the most hits in (such as stealth assassin).

If you're new to dota, try some of the easier heroes and after you have the general idea of how to play, you can start randoming with ease.

Some of the easiest heroes (imo):

Zeus, Stealth Assassin, Bounty Hunter, Luna, Lich

There are tons more but I think the ones I listed are pretty effective for newbs.
('''(G_G/'''')
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17390 Posts
May 18 2006 11:17 GMT
#231
On May 18 2006 20:04 Heen wrote:
Magnus is such a boring piece of shit :D

He isn't for pwn4age killing. That isn't to say he can't fight but he is a steady non-sneaky hero. After your basic low lvl items, get a perseverance so you don't have to go to town. It will also help you spam your 300 dmg nuke which costs only 90 mana -_-;

Later turn it into a battle fury and you will be a creeping god.

Use your buffs on heros that deal the most damage/can get the most hits in (such as stealth assassin).

If you're new to dota, try some of the easier heroes and after you have the general idea of how to play, you can start randoming with ease.

Some of the easiest heroes (imo):

Zeus, Stealth Assassin, Bounty Hunter, Luna, Lich

There are tons more but I think the ones I listed are pretty effective for newbs.


Why the hell did you mention only the tricky heroes that are really hard to play vs some decent oponents?

Zeus - will get ganged and raped all the time so he can't grow/farm
SA - wards early = VERY hard time for him
BH - has really low hp and you really have to know how to play him, otherwise he's worth as much as shit
Luna - why the hell most people get aghanim instead of refresher for her and why the hell they make int builds instead of getting stuff like satanic/buriza for her?
Lich - only good for noob pubies or with decent team, otherwise this hero is pretty much useless (I can pwn him being solo vs him in a line with siren or sven, especially sven)

Easy heroes are:

Troll warlord - just go aura/stats, farm and get nice eq for dmg
Bone - good in noob pubies - useless vs decent team, similar to troll warlord but you get ww
Sniper - most boring hero ever, just go for stun/range in the beginning and try to find some wounded enemies to finish them off with your ulti, easy stuff
Leoric - no need to elaborate
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
May 18 2006 12:57 GMT
#232
I don't see how the heroes you listed are easier than the ones I did. I guess it's a matter of preference.

The reasons you gave for why my list was bad can be applied to all heroes.

The heroes you listed require decent farming and a solid build. That is a harder task for a newb than using very simple, yet deadly skills when he sees his enemies.

Seems like you're just contradicting me for the hell of it. You also forget that since he is a newb, he will most likely be playing with other newbs/semi-newbs?

Having a shitty troll in my team is far worse than a shitty zeus.
('''(G_G/'''')
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17390 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-05-18 13:05:53
May 18 2006 13:05 GMT
#233
True, sorry. For beginner levels Lich and Zeus (preferably on the same team) just own
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
tiffany
Profile Joined November 2003
3664 Posts
May 18 2006 15:24 GMT
#234
yeah.. definitely do NOT try item dependent heroes such as troll and faceless to start, as they are late game as opposed to early game ints that are relatively straightforward such as lich and zeus.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17390 Posts
May 18 2006 18:51 GMT
#235
Now some fun for all of you sick enough to watch DotA replays:

1. Lion ownage

2. Chen ownage

With Chen I went for the mekansm/dagon build and did something like 12-3 (enemies were viper, sniper, tiny, leshrac and terror so it wasn't all that easy, especially with huge delay and night without sleep). I kind of enjoyed this game, many close calls and some nice pwnage.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
oPtioNaLk
Profile Joined September 2004
Korea (South)564 Posts
May 19 2006 14:22 GMT
#236
On May 18 2006 20:17 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2006 20:04 Heen wrote:
Magnus is such a boring piece of shit :D

He isn't for pwn4age killing. That isn't to say he can't fight but he is a steady non-sneaky hero. After your basic low lvl items, get a perseverance so you don't have to go to town. It will also help you spam your 300 dmg nuke which costs only 90 mana -_-;

Later turn it into a battle fury and you will be a creeping god.

Use your buffs on heros that deal the most damage/can get the most hits in (such as stealth assassin).

If you're new to dota, try some of the easier heroes and after you have the general idea of how to play, you can start randoming with ease.

Some of the easiest heroes (imo):

Zeus, Stealth Assassin, Bounty Hunter, Luna, Lich

There are tons more but I think the ones I listed are pretty effective for newbs.


Why the hell did you mention only the tricky heroes that are really hard to play vs some decent oponents?

Zeus - will get ganged and raped all the time so he can't grow/farm
SA - wards early = VERY hard time for him
BH - has really low hp and you really have to know how to play him, otherwise he's worth as much as shit
Luna - why the hell most people get aghanim instead of refresher for her and why the hell they make int builds instead of getting stuff like satanic/buriza for her?
Lich - only good for noob pubies or with decent team, otherwise this hero is pretty much useless (I can pwn him being solo vs him in a line with siren or sven, especially sven)

Easy heroes are:

Troll warlord - just go aura/stats, farm and get nice eq for dmg
Bone - good in noob pubies - useless vs decent team, similar to troll warlord but you get ww
Sniper - most boring hero ever, just go for stun/range in the beginning and try to find some wounded enemies to finish them off with your ulti, easy stuff
Leoric - no need to elaborate


If you think a Lich is useless, you have not played in any good DotA games. He has insane harassing ability, can deny more easily with Dark Ritual and has a killer ultimate.

Luna cannot be played as a fighter hero. Check her stat growth, her spells, etc. You can argue about that one but regardless Luna cannot survive w/o her extra mana pool/regen and extra hp. She is frail. Just because she has an attack enhancing aura does not mean she will be able to hang with the other designated agi heroes such as Clinkz, Anti Mage and Sniper.
Ethenielle
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Norway1006 Posts
May 19 2006 20:45 GMT
#237
I'm definitely going to try out that sand king next game! :E
Theres a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17390 Posts
May 29 2006 23:07 GMT
#238
Just to keep things alive:

[image loading]


That is many buff, yes?
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
s4rk
Profile Joined December 2003
Philippines137 Posts
May 29 2006 23:45 GMT
#239
you've been tracked! lol
o rly
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17390 Posts
May 30 2006 01:25 GMT
#240
Yeah, bounty was quite a beast this game (even got me once when I got omnislashed and then ganked by lycan + bounty - my second and last death this game).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
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