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Due to recent requests from uidf and my lack of time I will make here a brief (at least I'll try to make it as brief as possible)guide for those who recently started/wish to start playing DotA. Everything in this guide is based solely on my own experience and some more experienced players may not agree with some parts. I'm not some uber gosu here and I am fully aware that I don't do everything as some people got used to.
This guide is only to help others start, it's not strict 'howto' that should be fallowed by word. Just read it, try it and adjust it any way it suits you.
For starters, the most important rule some tend to forget when action gets stiff: DO NOT DIE!!!
It's ok if you don't kill as long as you don't die too (the final result of 1-0 is much better than say 5-7).
It may seem hard in the beginning (especially in -ar games) so if you're not very familiar with the game yet just run away when your hero is in red and go heal (if you consider yourself slow or the pressure is big it's better to start running in orange).
The only exception for this rule is when your friend needs help and you're able to give it. This is for more experienced players though since those of less skill tend to get killed along with their teammates which is very bad.
Now the second most important part: hero choice. (we'll consider it to be an -ap game)
Most beginners after few games think that most powerful heroes are:
Lich
Venomancer
Crystal Maiden
Lion
Slayer
(remind me if I forgot any)
You can't be more wrong, those are the weakest heroes late game, very easy to counter mid game and moderately easy to avoid early game (more on this in tactics).
When picking a hero try get your hands on some melee hero (preferably with str as primary attribute). Yes, they are the hardest to master and play but they pwn late game and by playing them you'll learn faster (after playing melee early, later on when you get ranged hero it'll be extremely easy for you to play it).
Some good choices:
Slithern guard - my personal favourite, 2 disablers, speed increase for running away or chasing wounded foe
Sven - needless to say this guy deals the most damage in the game
Leoric - good for beginners, easily countered by magina though
Naix - supreme pwnzor, very hard to play early game, requires different build
Another important issue: items
This will be hard to explain since most heroes require different items to work at their best. What I usually buy for melee hero is:
Boots of speed
Ring of health
Sange (only if hero hasn't got some orb effect himself)
Power treads
From now on things differ for matchup and hero.
If enemies have many casters go for black king bar instead of sange.
After buying your first weapon go for some defence, blademail (good vs sven and melee), aegis of the immortal (just pwns but awfully expensive), heart of torrasque etc.
and then more weapons.
Do not buy stuff you won't use later in the game (ring of regeneration, etc. - unless of course you're playing a hero that requires to do so - Naix and Magina for instance) it's waste of cash, go straight for the goodies.
As an example I'll give here the list of items I had in my last game (played slithern guard)
power treads, sange & jasha, aegis of the immortal, blademail, cranium basher, burize do-kyanon
You'll have to experiment a bit with items to see how it works.
Now some basic tactics:
Early game - try to stay out of the fight, just farm. When you're hurt go heal (better to lose some exp by not being there than lose cash, feed oponent and not be there too). Whenever you see more than one enemy going for you: run.
Countering casters - early game: nothing you can do about them, just try to avoid them. mid game: get black king bar, it makes all their skills useless. late game: laugh at them as they try to do something to you with their ~500dmg spells.
Countering melee - blademail, disablers (stunning is best, bashers work wonders, also sange with maim is good).
Countering invisible - those are real pain in the ass but simple gem rends them useless (if you think you'll die anyway then don't buy gem, go for wards).
Switching lines - something most beginners forget, when you see you can't deal with enemies on your line - switch with teammate who's got hero better suited for the job.
Gangbangs - you must remember that mid-late game it's all gangbangs, you'll rarely have a chance to fight 1on1. Just try to stay together with your team at all times and be ready to run at any sign of enemy.
It's all just a bunch of loose advice. If I forgot about anything and anyone would have any questions then ask them here and I'll try to answer them.
Good luck and have fun >
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i havent played the game that often jet but i have 1 question
is it true that clix bone archer the strongest char?? because i heard many people say so??
if yes what build should i go??skill wise. and should i get items with agility or what should i get??
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On August 20 2005 16:48 brite wrote:
i havent played the game that often jet but i have 1 question
is it true that clix bone archer the strongest char?? because i heard many people say so??
if yes what build should i go??skill wise. and should i get items with agility or what should i get??
Clinkz is by no stretch the best hero. Personally there is no best hero, just depends on the ones your good with. If you choose to play Clinks however a good build is:
Treads
Styggan Desolator or Maelstorm
Buriza
Hyperstone
X2 Butterfly
If you take that build, take for your skills, strafe and wind walk early game, taking your ulti as you get it. Then go for you attribute increase. Desolator will not work if you use flame arrows so no point in getting it.
In regards to heros, Melee although good are not ultimate tanks late game as he makes them out to be, only if they get some good items. Personally i find agility heros the most useful all game, melee are useful only if they have stuns.
Good initial heros for people to use are the lightning revelant(sp?), Clinks for the agility heros(there are more), then for Strength, id recommend the stone giant, and the tiderunner and for intelligence heros id recommend the Lich and the Slayer. These are easier to use heros, from there its easy to find a preference in who to use.
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it's so frustrating in an -ar game if you're on a team that won't back you up and you're getting double teamed by 2 ranged heros and you've got some huge slow hero
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I only play ROC dota and here are my thought.
-You gotta have a healer ( there is only 1 per team).( Soulrender and Pure disciple)
-A magic heroes killer ( naix, stealth assasin).
-A tank ( sideral machine, golem or)
- and two other, preferably not strengh hero, ( shooting hero are good). One summoner can be good too.
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Luna is imba. too TerrorBlade. Leoric sux wiht the cost of mana ultimate, Axe, chaos Night.
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is awesome32269 Posts
Ursa Rocks! and its pretty easy to use : ]
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Leoric is ok as long as you're not facing Magina, Axe lacks range and hp to be this good, and Nassaj pwns
Edit: And clinkz isn't the best hero, he hasn't got enough hp to survive for long, one ward + one stun + one blow = clinkz useless.
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2 Days ago I scored my first blood in 2 minutes The hero I was facing was Magina and I was Chaos Knight. He rushed and I casted Chaos Bolt which deals damage and stuns hero for random time 1-5 second.
Well as you guess, he got stunned for 5 sec Creeps and I surrounded him and beat him to death. After they saw "First Blood! xxxx was slaied by Bard!" they were like "Huh? What happened? That's really fast blood!" and the guy who died was like "OMG! OMG! OMG!"
My tips for beginners are..
1) Play a lot
Well.. yeah obvious tip. You wanna be a Star Craft expert? Play Star Craft a lot. You want to be a WoW expert? Play Wow a lot. To become a DotA expert? Just play a lot and get used to the game play, items, heroes and map.
2) Play both -ap and -ar games
For beginners people usually don't recommend -ar (All Random mode. You get a random hero from either side) but I will say try few -ar games so you can learn various heroes.
3) First copy from others then develop your own style
There are various characters' guidess available online (dotaallstars.com) Check the site and follow the guides exactly in the beginning. Later when you become better with a certain character, try different build and find out what's good or bad.
4) Have fun
Don't get too intense, enjoy game, talk with teammates and have fun
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Yea team/custom games are a whole lot of fun in WC3. I think in that sense WC3 is a lot more "fun" than SC, though I still enjoy 1v1 SC a lot more than WC3 solo.
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WC3 solo sucks, I hate all thos 15 year old that can't understand how someone could actually play for fun (using crazy builds, giving freewins after a nice game etc.) and just keep saying OMG! You noob! You got imba race! after you beat them without losing a single unit etc.
Best fun is when you play with friends. Like during tl.net tour when I was facing WaweR and bogoos was obsing us and all three of us were on the same channel on ventrilo pure pwnage I tell you. Bogoos shouting omg! what the f**k are you doing?! (I was playing ne then, my weakest race and his primary), me shouting at WaweR - Die noob! - etc. Quite a fun it was 
Are we getting a bit off topic here or what? 
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
The best is having a pudge with 4 heart of tarrasques and around 6500 health. Plus around 80-100 hp regen/sec.
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I just started to play Dota... and i find it very nice...
I find that it is hard and when i played on LAN, they clled me noob.
oh.... i'm so sad......
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On December 26 2005 01:23 Kev wrote:
I just started to play Dota... and i find it very nice...
I find that it is hard and when i played on LAN, they clled me noob.
oh.... i'm so sad......
Omg, that's one great first post!
[/sarcasm]
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Too bad he didn't post it in Hot_Bid's emo thread.
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On August 21 2005 17:07 Tien wrote:
The best is having a pudge with 4 heart of tarrasques and around 6500 health. Plus around 80-100 hp regen/sec.
not possible but whatever.
Hey manitou I indeed do disagree with most of your things. I used to think like you when I just started playing too though
The best hero in the game is relative. There is no ultimate good hero. There are however best heroes in certain matchups. But since most of the games will be -AR it doesn't really matter anyway. Lich is a very strong hero early game AND mid game. Usually when I get lich I go 20-3 or something like that, which makes my hero a decent opponent late game because of all the items I have, afghanim guinsoo aegis skadi.
You are right about the not dying part, however don't just walk back when you are red, walk home when you don't see any of their heroes on the minimap and you are across the river, they will most likely try to gangbang you. Some people that just start playing go very far into enemy territory ALONE, most awfull thing you can do. In gangbangs however its not too bad to die, as long as more of their team dies. Selfsacrifice is necessary sometimes, but when you just start its better to stay alive at all costs I guess.
Sven doesn't deal most damage, warden does.
I like that you mention blade mails as a counter, but please only use this when you have a hero with a lot of hp else it has no use. Also only make blade mail when their team has at least 3 melee heroes and when thats the case make 3 blade mails not 1, 1 has no effect.
My favorite charecter must be axe, because of the blade mail. I start off by getting boots, ring of regen, ring of regen, ring of basilus, threads, blade mail, blade mail, torrasque( sell the ring of regens after you have this), blade mail, aegis if it comes this far. So the trick with this hero is to get a melee hero to attack you. You have a spell that when you counter attack when you get hit and it does 125 dmg, this is a lot early game. The other spell is that you get opponents to attack you. So early game try to get a hero to attack you with creeps around, you get hit so much that you cast counterspell all the time and he will easily die. The blade mails will make melee heroes die late game, because you still do the counterspell but now he will also get 60% of his own damage returned and you have around 60% damage reduced, because the spell that makes him attack you 'beserker call' will grant you 20 extra armor and the blade mails will add another 15 to that. Battlehunger is the spell you must max first though, because it deals 500 damage at level 7, so when you see someone with 400 damage and no creeps around, cast spell and you get another kill.
If you wanna know other builds just ask
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what does ap mean? i know ar means all random
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Most DOTA players I play with on bnet are mostly bastards who 'want all the exp'
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I am a bastard too, cuz i know i can put that exp to good use;)
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Strafe: note that the beggining post was made by me quite some time ago and some of my thoughts on the matter changed (like slithern not being my favourite hero any more but magina - this might change however since I want to try out the new dota as I stopped at 6.23 I think) but most of the advice I give there will be good for younger players I think, will give them some basic clues.
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On August 20 2005 15:55 Manit0u wrote:Due to recent requests from uidf and my lack of time I will make here a brief (at least I'll try to make it as brief as possible)guide for those who recently started/wish to start playing DotA. Everything in this guide is based solely on my own experience and some more experienced players may not agree with some parts. I'm not some uber gosu here and I am fully aware that I don't do everything as some people got used to. This guide is only to help others start, it's not strict 'howto' that should be fallowed by word. Just read it, try it and adjust it any way it suits you. For starters, the most important rule some tend to forget when action gets stiff: DO NOT DIE!!! It's ok if you don't kill as long as you don't die too (the final result of 1-0 is much better than say 5-7). It may seem hard in the beginning (especially in -ar games) so if you're not very familiar with the game yet just run away when your hero is in red and go heal (if you consider yourself slow or the pressure is big it's better to start running in orange). The only exception for this rule is when your friend needs help and you're able to give it. This is for more experienced players though since those of less skill tend to get killed along with their teammates which is very bad. Now the second most important part: hero choice. (we'll consider it to be an -ap game) Most beginners after few games think that most powerful heroes are: Lich Venomancer Crystal Maiden Lion Slayer (remind me if I forgot any) You can't be more wrong, those are the weakest heroes late game, very easy to counter mid game and moderately easy to avoid early game (more on this in tactics). When picking a hero try get your hands on some melee hero (preferably with str as primary attribute). Yes, they are the hardest to master and play but they pwn late game and by playing them you'll learn faster (after playing melee early, later on when you get ranged hero it'll be extremely easy for you to play it). Some good choices: Slithern guard - my personal favourite, 2 disablers, speed increase for running away or chasing wounded foe Sven - needless to say this guy deals the most damage in the game Leoric - good for beginners, easily countered by magina though Naix - supreme pwnzor, very hard to play early game, requires different build Another important issue: items This will be hard to explain since most heroes require different items to work at their best. What I usually buy for melee hero is: Boots of speed Ring of health Sange (only if hero hasn't got some orb effect himself) Power treads From now on things differ for matchup and hero. If enemies have many casters go for black king bar instead of sange. After buying your first weapon go for some defence, blademail (good vs sven and melee), aegis of the immortal (just pwns but awfully expensive), heart of torrasque etc. and then more weapons. Do not buy stuff you won't use later in the game (ring of regeneration, etc. - unless of course you're playing a hero that requires to do so - Naix and Magina for instance) it's waste of cash, go straight for the goodies. As an example I'll give here the list of items I had in my last game (played slithern guard) power treads, sange & jasha, aegis of the immortal, blademail, cranium basher, burize do-kyanon You'll have to experiment a bit with items to see how it works. Now some basic tactics: Early game - try to stay out of the fight, just farm. When you're hurt go heal (better to lose some exp by not being there than lose cash, feed oponent and not be there too). Whenever you see more than one enemy going for you: run. Countering casters - early game: nothing you can do about them, just try to avoid them. mid game: get black king bar, it makes all their skills useless. late game: laugh at them as they try to do something to you with their ~500dmg spells. Countering melee - blademail, disablers (stunning is best, bashers work wonders, also sange with maim is good). Countering invisible - those are real pain in the ass but simple gem rends them useless (if you think you'll die anyway then don't buy gem, go for wards). Switching lines - something most beginners forget, when you see you can't deal with enemies on your line - switch with teammate who's got hero better suited for the job. Gangbangs - you must remember that mid-late game it's all gangbangs, you'll rarely have a chance to fight 1on1. Just try to stay together with your team at all times and be ready to run at any sign of enemy. It's all just a bunch of loose advice. If I forgot about anything and anyone would have any questions then ask them here and I'll try to answer them. Good luck and have fun >
Manitou, I disagree with a lot of stuff in this guide. For instance, those intel heroes you mentioned in the beginning can be extremely powerful mid and late game. Almost all of those heroes have disabling abilities, which are quite useful when in ganking and teaming situations. The Naix just plain sucks. It's good in public games where there's no teamwork and all you do is go around killing people one on one.
About items; Ring of Regen is actually extremely useful even if you're not going to keep it for late game. The item is great for melee heroes because with ranged heroes constantly harassing early game, you will lose exp and gold going back to heal. With RoR you can stay, gain exp and even harass the ranged heroes a bit.
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Don't play Sven; he's a boring slow ass bitch. He's such a faggot. I can honestly say he's the most boring hero in dota and that he should be taken out next patch.
It's true that heroes have their strengths throughout the different stages of the game but if you play well the whole game, you usually overcome those 'disadvantages' with items/lvl.
how to end a game in 5 min:
pick chen and teleport your allies if they are green or yellow
and having lot of hp is far less important than damage/attack speed. so to anyone who suggested getting 4 heart of tarrasques.. don't ever do that again. 1 heart is enough.]
edit/ps: sven's an ugly cocksucker
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Base Play :
As u start the first(or one of the first) thing u should buy is Boots of speed.
Next u should buy eigher healing potions or save money for ring of health.
For heroes that do not need Battle Fury or Perserverence for something I suppose it much better to get Headdress of Rejuvation, which is cheaper but does regenerate as much Hp as ring + aura effect (+2 regen, +2 aura regen).
Corridors with 2 heroes may go for both Headdress of Rejuvation and Ring of Bassilus to get as much aura to maximize effect.
Next Items usually depend on heroes, but if u are not sure making Power threads almost never hurts(unless u are int hero and plan to go Boots of Travel). Another thing that is good for everyone is Hands of Midas(can turn creep into gold(+100 gold) and +25% increased attack speed) - this item repays itself when u use it a longer time.
Tactic - don\'t try to fight too much at the start, rather than gaining money for killing creeps(try to make killing hits only if u are not ranged) or trying to kill an enemy hero, try to stay alive with as much hp as possible as long as u can. With some heroes (like Naix) there is no other way, u must just stay behind and exp for higher levels(sometimes even up to 10 if opponents hero is too abusing).
Bracer vs Wraithband vs Null talisman - I think Wraithband is useless, it is eigher u need more mana or more Hp; +6 agi makes almost no difference(even for agi hero); don\'t make null talisman for Intelligence heroes rather go for eul\'s sceper, perserverence or oblivion staff.
Remember if u die a few times at the beginning(hopefully to bad luck and skilled enemies not to your own lameness) it is not that bad and u may recover. But if u die many times around higher levels it may put u behind seriously.
Intelligence Heroes :
Usually start to dominate around 6th level and start to get weaker and weaker after 16th level(there some exceptions like Enchantress)
Items :
Scythe of Vyse - is good for every intelligence hero, not only does it give +60 dmg and a lot of mana and regen, u gain hex(turning units/heroes into sheep).
Aghanims Scepter - some heroes can have they ultimate improved by this item it also gives some mana and Hp
Dagon - There comes a certain point in a intelligence hero Life where u must chose a path of physical damage(items that do damage, note you will be behind in attack speed/Hp compared to
Agi and Strenth heroes) or u chose magic damage where Dagon is the choice. Yes It is expensive but in the end it does 800 damage with cooldown like 30 seconds.
Necromotion - If u are facing enemy mages this may be the right item. By making this item you may summon two specialized units who have kind of anti-mage spells.
Linkens Sphere - should not be the first item u build, but gives a lot of regeneration(both mana and hp), some hp and mana and spell block every 60 seconds(good for heroes who need too many mana like Tinker).
Eye of Skadi(orb) - Gives a lot of mana and Hp, frost attack. Really expensive items, if u have a lot of money and need more mana/hp, this is the item for you.
Agility Heroes :
Ranged vs Melee : Ranged are good from the beggining, Melee seem to lack power vs strenth in the end.
Items :
Damage items : Desolator(orb), Burize, Monkey Kings bar, Radiance, Battle Fury
Radiance and Battle Fury should both be build only by melee heroes
!Warning - don\'t build orb items if u have orb effect already and u are not sure which one will work!
Sange&Yasha(orb) - I say sange and yasha is good for everyone(10% movement speed bonus may come handy to anyone), but it doesn\'t give too much damage so i suppose to build only with
heroes that already have sufficient damage/attack speed to at least earn some money.
Basher - I think that every agi hero that has a decent attack speed should lategames have at least one Basher.
Manta Style(orb) - preferably vs mages with heroes that have decent attack speed and supported by basher. A must have for Phantom lancer.
Mask Of Maddness(orb) - a questionable item, gives some life steal a lot of attack speed and 15% movement speed for a short time. Can be used to catch up a weak enemy or on the other hand to escape when u are low on Hp. May be good to combine with basher. But for most heroes that urgently need attack speed and already have orb effect I suggest Hyperstone.
Strenth Heroes :
Common thinking with there heroes should be - gaining some Strenth early to even up the battle vs mages. U may gain strenth by making a few bracers and then make some Damage item, later returning to some strenth items.
Strenth Items :
Sange&Yasha(orb);
Black King Bar - Avatar; i suggest making vs pesky mages, if there is a Enchantress that is hard to kill i suggest thi item.
Heart of Tarrasque vs Satanique - Heart gives more Hp and regen, but Satanic gives a lot life steal and death pact(though not so important). I mostly prefer Heart over Satanic, and rather build some other orb effect or secondary mask of maddness. Though both Tiny(Stone Giant) and Bristleback benefit greatly from Satanic.
Lategames :
Most intelligence heroes become weak, due to Heroes have a lot of Hp and Aegis of Immortal which apart from other effects gives a 35% magic resistance.
Stuns and massive Spells are key to win. Treant Protector\'s overgrowth, Poison Nova, Reverse Polarity, Song of Siren, ChonoSphere are the spells that decide the winner.
If your team doesn\'t have any Stun, you should build a Scythe of Vyse or Basher(sometimes even two) if your attack speed is sufficient.
Defending is a good strategy, waiting for your opponent to do mistake and then taking advantege of it by destroying his base in one-attack(common ending of lategames).
Feel free to ask for advice about any hero, item, spell or ability...
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Wow lastwish, piece of crap. sorry;)
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so many things wrong with your post Lastwish, I dont know where to start =(
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Combat:
Just get damage items -_-;
power treads
basher
buriza
monkey king bar
Caster:
Aghanium if it helps you
Dagon 5
Refresher orb
both setups cast a shitload of money AND leaves you with space for other items which are usually (bracer/bands/talismans)
and boots arent all that necessary, especially for heros who dont die, like keeper of the light, who can start out with ring of basilius and a chicken (if it's ar)
dota is a simple game anyways. the only 'skill' involved is choosing when to fight.
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lol heen, my team will kill you under 25 minutes
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I really doubt that.
but I'm in Korea so I'm not sure if we'll ever get to play each other fairly :-O
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On December 26 2005 07:57 Heen wrote:
Don't play Sven; he's a boring slow ass bitch. He's such a faggot. I can honestly say he's the most boring hero in dota and that he should be taken out next patch.
It's true that heroes have their strengths throughout the different stages of the game but if you play well the whole game, you usually overcome those 'disadvantages' with items/lvl.
how to end a game in 5 min:
pick chen and teleport your allies if they are green or yellow
and having lot of hp is far less important than damage/attack speed. so to anyone who suggested getting 4 heart of tarrasques.. don't ever do that again. 1 heart is enough.]
edit/ps: sven's an ugly cocksucker
4 hearts is overdoing it for some, although messing around with pudge is kind of fun, and yes I know there are better items for those slots but its fun though
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shit i miss 5.84 so much, i hate this 6.27b shit. i think im too used to the old ways, although i have been playing a shitload of dota lately. there are some balance issues to fix with some of hte heros, and the agi heros seem a lot weaker then tehy used to be. plus the pathing is retarded.
as for early game items, i almost never buy boots first. usually go for some circlets and 3 agi/str/int items and a branch or water
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is awesome32269 Posts
I do the same Rivet
The ursa has been nerfed so much ; [ now hes not the low lever assasin he sued to be...
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agility heroes are still fucking good? sorry if its more balanced now
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My eyes bleed when I see the word Dota
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If u are interested Strafe we can arrange a 5v5 ar/ap dota. Just get your team and after New Year we may play. Though I still think it would be a waste of time assuming from your previous posts...
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im currently number one with my team on northrend <3
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I wanna obs it
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Strafe, i'm lookin for a team thats doing Cal or Esl, or is just good in general;O
I have your name and everything i just need to figure out the time zone difference so i know when to get on. I'm in US , central time.
And yes, im pretty sure i'll be good enough but we will see;)
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its like 6/7 hours earlier for you, and im usually on till 3 am so it shouldnt be a problem really;)
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Why do all of these people insist on dagon for intel heroes? The thing is an expensive piece of shit.
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On December 27 2005 14:55 oPtioNaLk wrote:
Why do all of these people insist on dagon for intel heroes? The thing is an expensive piece of shit.
Dealing out 800 damage in a second is always worth the shit And imagine such necrolyte with it... *boggle*
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Yes OverTheUnder its 7 hours ahead of your time.
If anyone knows a medium skill clan that is recruiting and plays clan wars fairly often plz tell me :D.
On some heroes like Lion, Or Slayer it can be useful incase after you ult they have 100-200 health left.
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Strafe, remember me? anyways, I'd like to arrange for a scrim/match. Usual rules of course, -lm or team pick, we can play both sides if you'd like. Im in clan tfd on East server (feared.Goose).
My team is in CAL league, however, I believe the season has started, and rosters are locked. But people are always welcome to tryout, but you better be good :p
Oh and heen and lastwish, looking at your posts, and knowing strafes skill level, you guys would get owned like pub noobs =(.
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he thx phiwha, Im not in CAL so it would be nice to have a team on azaroth as well, most fun part is definitly playing league games. As long as everything is arranged well and all. do you have msn or something?
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Oh btw, getting dagon beyond level 1 is awaste imo. I think dagon is awaste in general unless you are pugna. Or if you want to have fun make it on bounty hunter;)
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yea, but I rarely use it, but ill get on for you <3
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On December 27 2005 17:23 {ToT}Strafe wrote:
Oh btw, getting dagon beyond level 1 is awaste imo. I think dagon is awaste in general unless you are pugna. Or if you want to have fun make it on bounty hunter;)
'xactly.
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Whatever, keep talking shit. 
I'd like to see, not hear, someone own me like a pub noob.
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Hey phiwha could i try out for your clan?
and yea strafe would probably win his skill is legendary 
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well most palyers on northrend that are good know who i am basicly;/
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On December 27 2005 19:22 Heen wrote:Whatever, keep talking shit. I'd like to see, not hear, someone own me like a pub noob.
pub noobs don't get owned, they run too fast 
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On December 27 2005 19:22 Heen wrote:Whatever, keep talking shit. I'd like to see, not hear, someone own me like a pub noob.
I was playing with Strafe and his boyz on several ocasions, not many stand a chance against them
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Dagon is awesome with Pugna because of Decrepify. 800 + 40% is a useful at any level just about.
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On December 27 2005 14:55 oPtioNaLk wrote:
Why do all of these people insist on dagon for intel heroes? The thing is an expensive piece of shit.
as strafe said before, dagon on pugna is teh shit
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Strafe post some replays if you dont mind 
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In an organized team/clan game though, dagon is almost never used. Even getting it with pugna is only viable if they have lower life heroes. Most of the time it is at least one of the intel's job to get neromicon and/or mek. And people getting it for pugna or necrolyte are thinking about kills, where in a team game its almost never a 1 on 1 situation. In the end it is better to go for guinsoo or items that help the surviability of you or your whole teamT_T
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anyone play on USEAST wanna buddy up?? I need some friends to play with!! PM ME
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lol seriously in teamgames nobody evne plays pugna. That ward stinks again so pugna is totally useless;) i do have one dota replay btw. I saved it once to see an early kill I made which was too fucking funny:D
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hey i saved my last dota game, anyone wanna see it?:p
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Strafe, upload it somewhere.
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I don't know how anyone would like to watch a DotA replay...
Send it to wulfhere@gmail.com please
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hmm where can i upload this? I had some webspace but forgot my pw
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Well, most of my friends don't have a w3 CD key so we use to play on eurobattlenet, but i'm sure that's not a big problem.
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On December 28 2005 09:10 {ToT}Strafe wrote:hmm where can i upload this? I had some webspace but forgot my pw
yousendit or rapidshare, gogo:O
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yousendit is only to email? and cant find rapid share
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when you go to yousendit, just type in any e-mail ( i always use my own) and then when its done uploading to the site, copy and paste the link here. All yousendit does is send a link to the email adress u typed in. All you have to do is give us that same link so we can dl it:D
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thanks! i will watch and see your skills, btw what channel are you in most frequently
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nice games strafe. especially the clinkz game dont see too many people go bashers w/ clinkz. btw was ovvi really playing poker during that whole game?
nice game with tiny in the second too although it didnt seem those guys were all that great(especially teal wow :o)
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haha yes ovvi was really playing poker lol
I know those games werent special it was just us having fun in dotapickup.euro
sadly enough its the best place to find decent players when not playing clanwars
its even better than clan dce
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Anyone here in 'somewhat' asia time zone (ex. singapore australia) wanna dota?
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unfortunately im in us west, no where near anyone else. i would try euro, but 2/3 times i played there i lagged with like 2-3 sec delay. too bad too, the players are way better there.
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play on east, clan tda, better than playing a pub at least =/ or find a team to play CAL in
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well yes but times like now when the site is down and you get banned and cant repeal the ban cuz the forums arent up TDA sucks nutz. And also unless you know a clan that is in the league its kinda hard to find clans that are inhouse and clan war DOTA clans.(i know ive tried =(.)
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they should make dota matchmaking!
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that would be awesome if u could 'ladder' on dota :D
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nah, then i wouldnt be number one cuz some people play 10 hours of dota per day:D
is anyone actually watching those replays btw?:D
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i am i watched the first two they were cool. not enough humor in em make fun of everyone thats in the game next time you play
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I watched the one where you were Stone Giant. Pretty funny triple-hyperstones, and chat.
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you should watch the one with ovvi and me playing
techie ftw !
and i didnt think that clinkz can rock so bad with bashers
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you dont think thats your problem lolz!
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Btw since a while when trying to you #dotapickup i get this weird "use more than 3 letters in your ident" error, though i tried different idents with at least 5-6 letters, anyone got an idea how to solve this?
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maybe try to join #dotapickup.euro instead
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funny strafe i was just too lazy to type the .euro in my post
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i played my first pickup game yesterday went 12-7 with drow(5 deaths came to a pumped omni with relic rapier duel aegis and satanic) was pretty fun alot like TDA on east with less calling of lanes
Just played another 4-2 with shaker played support the whole game was kinda fun =(
if youll want my reps not cuz their good or anything but because your bored or w/e tell me.
p.s we need to stage a place to meet on euro!
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btw, speaking of blade mails, my team recently played a 3v3 -ar scrim where they got sven, dp, centaur vs doombringer, panda, magnataur. My team was getting stomped pretty bad because vs the 3 strength heroes, especially since one of us would be doomed right away, but eventually the centaur and sven got 6 blademails between them, and the dp got skaldi/guinsoo. The other team had very good items like battlefury on panda and mags, satanic, mkb, heart, burize, and relics... but they just owned themselves when attacking us t_t
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if anyone ther i want to tell me how to play leopic and what the anti-hero of broodmother?
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It depends what heroes you are against, not only in the game, but sometimes in your lane. The standard strat for leoric is stun/vamp aura/stun/vamp aura/stun/ult/stun/vamp aura/max out crit, etc.
Item wise, treads and damage items (y&s, battlefury, mkb, etc). Personally I get stun/crit first + ror/flasks, unless i think I need vamp aura to stay in my lane or if I have a melee partner in my lane, and I dont get my ult at lvl 6. I'll get it around lvl 9-11 or so, and keep it at lvl 1 for the low mana cost. The key thing with leoric is to make sure u always have enough mana for reincarnate, and not use it on a storm bolt like a noob.
Also, some people like to get bracers, but I think its a waste, if you want, just get branches or circlets and sell them later. If anything, you might want a null early so you can spam your nuke enough times and still have enough left for reincarnation.
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Anti brood also depends on how the brood plays. There are those who focus on web/bite first and harass with a lane that is all webbed up. The counter to that is obviously to get wards. Just be careful to place wards in smart places since webs can detect wards if they are very close/on top. Then there are those who get maybe 1 lvl of web max, then go spiderling nuke + bite or stats. They either push with the spiders (mass spider army), or try to nuke you to death. The counter to the push strat is to have AOE spell heroes go up against him, and farm his little spiders (weak hp) for gold and XP. If he nukes you, get more regen items. As for an item build to counter him, play it like you're playing against a naix... if you're intel, you need disables, so guinsoo is nice, agility is damage items/maybe perma stun with bashers, and strength is blademails+damage. Hes not really a powerhouse of a heroe anyways, unless you let him farm too much. And of course, the best counter/strat to any hero match up is to just out play him with micro :p ... out farm/out XP him by geting last hit on creeps, killing your own creeps that are about to die, and staying in lane longer than him.
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it seems that "your" creeps are really workin gofr the enemy at the start, so is it acceptable to kill your own creeps as much as possible?
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The way dota works, creeps will auto attack you when you are in range when attacking the other hero, or if you are low hp (same with towers). As for killing your own creeps, its not 'wrong' or 'illegal' in any way, and its a 'must' against any decent player. You dont even get sheeped anymore if you attack a too high hp creep anyways, so you have nothing to lose. Just keep in mind, you can only kill your own creeps that are low hp (red).
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ok phiwha the other player do web very much please tell me a hero or heroes to win him because i took silencer first and he f!"£k me ok?
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Heres a good tip: if you're a range hero vs a melee hero, or a range hero with no damage nuke, this is how you should play...
O = their hero
ooooo = their creeps
X = your hero
xxxxx = your creeps
Most people play like this:
____O____
ooooooooooooooo
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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You should instead abuse the fact that you're range/have nukes and stand next to the creep line, so he cant come close to get experience or gold. If you're owning him bad, you can even place yourself BEHIND his creeps and force him to go heal/switch lanes/wait for creeps to get to his tower.
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On January 01 2006 06:34 fki wrote:
ok phiwha the other player do web very much please tell me a hero or heroes to win him because i took silencer first and he f!"£k me ok?
Anti brood also depends on how the brood plays. There are those who focus on web/bite first and harass with a lane that is all webbed up. The counter to that is obviously to get wards. Just be careful to place wards in smart places since webs can detect wards if they are very close/on top.Then there are those who get maybe 1 lvl of web max, then go spiderling nuke + bite or stats. They either push with the spiders (mass spider army), or try to nuke you to death. The counter to the push strat is to have AOE spell heroes go up against him, and farm his little spiders (weak hp) for gold and XP. If he nukes you, get more regen items. As for an item build to counter him, play it like you're playing against a naix... if you're intel, you need disables, so guinsoo is nice, agility is damage items/maybe perma stun with bashers, and strength is blademails+damage. Hes not really a powerhouse of a heroe anyways, unless you let him farm too much. And of course, the best counter/strat to any hero match up is to just out play him with micro ... out farm/out XP him by geting last hit on creeps, killing your own creeps that are about to die, and staying in lane longer than him.
Another way is to pick a hero that has an AOE nuke where u can target the ground... death prophet, pugna (owns brood), earthshaker, etc... and even if you cant see him, you can target the web that hes hiding under and own him anyways.
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hi I am brother of faraj fki=my brother Faraj ,my cousin kostas and IIlias and we made fki
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wrong . phiwha look at page 5
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On January 01 2006 06:26 phiwha wrote:
The way dota works, creeps will auto attack you when you are in range when attacking the other hero, or if you are low hp (same with towers). As for killing your own creeps, its not 'wrong' or 'illegal' in any way, and its a 'must' against any decent player. You dont even get sheeped anymore if you attack a too high hp creep anyways, so you have nothing to lose. Just keep in mind, you can only kill your own creeps that are low hp (red). oh that's why i always die like that.
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hi guys what i must take in silencer is a good hero isnt it?
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And guys something very important , i always go to a net cafe to play dota i have the cd but i dont know how to download a patch and from? if anyone of you know something pleeeeease send me a reply
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On January 01 2006 07:58 fki wrote:
And guys something very important , i always go to a net cafe to play dota i have the cd but i dont know how to download a patch and from? if anyone of you know something pleeeeease send me a reply
If you ALWAYS play DotA at net cafe then you ALWAYS have the latest patch I think...
I really don't understand you man.
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you shouldnt try to understand him
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I won't try any longer. I've just realized that most likely he has never played warcraft online before
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i want it in my computer ok? i cannt always spend money on playing on net cafe , i dont know how to download a patch and from? if anybody knows please reply.
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nevermind i see he got banned.
thx whoever banned him!
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That was getting confusingT_T
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overtheunder wnna dota?
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yea OverTheUnder it was really hard to follow im not sure what he was talking about really,,, like mani said he prob dosent even play war3 but with how many people from a bunch of diff countries visit here you can really be sure...
and strafe any more replays?
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heh forgot to save my last team game. it was really sweet we played -ar and got behind 5-25 thats normally gg, but then i went from 4-4 to 26-5 with lina inverse. Oh the coolness of afghanim
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Afghanim+Guinsoo+BKB+Aegis+Torrasque+BOT yes I was rich
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Didnt have many str heroes that were doing good?X_X
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yeah i was thinking the same thing, did they go into attack move mode or just got lucky early?
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No i stopped stinking and made some sweet moves, they had 3 str heroes actually. But with afghanim and guinsoo lina deals around 2000 dmg on 1 target before it can do anything;)
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Why didn't u make refresher?
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cooldown on ulti is low with afghanim
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very lowT_T
edit: lina still sucks though
gj;o
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so is this going on in northrend?
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hey strafe so where do I have to go and do to play with you guys?
I'd like to inhouse.
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europe
strafeart(tl) or brain
are our accounts
or just msg us in irc or msn
irc is quakenet, #twilighthall
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How about we meet at certain time at certain channel to play a game or two?
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rob and me never know when we play dota
we both have to study pretty hard atm
so basically its always me or him wanting a break and convincing the other to stop studying for a dota break
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I see. U must have a pretty difficult school to study all the time.
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we dont really study all the time because when im not dotaing and stop to study, i will accidently open pokerstars;)
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I used to delete some of my icons from the desktop to prevent such accidents
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no but its january
so i got 2 papers to do till beginning of march and some tests coming up in about 2-3 weeks
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Strafe, how to view to played game? i downloaded those u posted, but it seems there is a problem. Map/download/allstars... not found..
Can u please help? thank u
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there is a 'replay' folder outside the map
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yah.. i put those copied file into the Maps as well as replay.. the message came up was
"The Map file associated with the replay cound not be found.
Please make sure the map file Maps\download\DotA Allstars v6.27b.w3x used by the recorded game exits and try again"
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I always thought that was a lame feature of War3.
Not only do you need the exact same map, but it has to be in the same folder that the host had it in.
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war3 has alot of lame features. Like not being able to watch replays online or with friends, which probably goes hand-in-hand with needing the map to watch the replay.
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yes, i have downloaded the map already.. i have put one copy in saved folder, one in Map, and in many other areas... but still???
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ic.. so that means i will not be able to see.. how sad!
It is so interesting to read about the exchange u guys had written, how one challenged the other about their skills and pro. Hope u all can play on the battle.net and become good friends.. cos this is only a game afterall.
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On January 04 2006 01:45 TryingToBashAround wrote:
ic.. so that means i will not be able to see.. how sad!
It is so interesting to read about the exchange u guys had written, how one challenged the other about their skills and pro. Hope u all can play on the battle.net and become good friends.. cos this is only a game afterall.
you have to put dota 6.27b in your download folder.
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On January 04 2006 01:45 TryingToBashAround wrote:
ic.. so that means i will not be able to see.. how sad!
It is so interesting to read about the exchange u guys had written, how one challenged the other about their skills and pro. Hope u all can play on the battle.net and become good friends.. cos this is only a game afterall.
i think i rather continue hating strafe
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Lol brain I wont stop bitching about you fcking my games up then
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you wouldnt stop that anyway
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true i like to bitch way too much
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On January 04 2006 01:42 TryingToBashAround wrote:
yes, i have downloaded the map already.. i have put one copy in saved folder, one in Map, and in many other areas... but still???
What you need: the map (probably dota v6.27b) in your download folder, the latest patch
Otherwise you won't be able to watch the replay.
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im surprised he didnt list night stalker on the pwnzer list
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really? i dont think so..
just finished playing with him, yea he sucks
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Dota is a very teambase game and what heros thats good, really depends on what other heros you got on your team.
So you cant really discuss which hero's better then the other rather then what 5 heros are better then the opposing 5 heros.
I think its important to get that into your head from the beginning so that u dont spend your first 100 games playing dota as a singleplayer game.
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does anyone know how to fix the fatal exception error? i've tried reinstalling war3, increasing page file, reformatting.
i'm on the global ban list for something that isn't even in my control, it's great.
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I like keeper and omniknight on my team ~_~;
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Hehe I like omniknight too. If I want to win I usually play this team with a really good drow ranger.
Omniknight, Shaman, Vengefull, Drow Ranger, Treant.
vengefull goes linken + lothar. Swaps in cloacks and runs out. The one swapped is shackled and silenced and dead then its always 5vs4. Its easy to push with omni ulti and wards at the same time.
but the most fun team is : Naga, Techies, treant, enigma, maiden:O!
Sleep-=> remotes-=> treant ulti-=> more remotes-=> blackhole-=> 1 more remote and explode them-=> maiden ulti:D
really hard to pull of but if it works its art:D
Scourge stinks but you can make something like Sandking, Leviathan, Void walker, krobelus and lichking.
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This whole guide is outdated.
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Well, it's from August 20 2005. Don't expect it to be up to date with so quickly evolving DotA
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dota has become a farming game *sigh*
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Yep, that's a real pitty. Also that most people play -sm mode now because they want all their slots filled with best stuff around right away.
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Something just to keep the thread alive
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On February 18 2006 09:02 Manit0u wrote:
Yep, that's a real pitty. Also that most people play -sm mode now because they want all their slots filled with best stuff around right away.
only in pub games though;O
Its like comparing all the fastest maps made to the "real" bw coomunity and say that sc is turning into only a mass gameT_T
i do like -sm in pub games ( i can play both) , but thats mostly because it goes a lttle faster and can get more games in. That basically the only reason to play pub games, farm and make yourself uber;O
edit: nice sa:o
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23-1 and only buriza butterfly linken and s&y, what a noobie =]
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It turned 24-1 (and end of the game) when the screenshot was taken. Anyway it was not -sm and as you can see I've had about 5k gold there, just didn't want to be rude and own too much ^_^
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Hey,
I want to learn some good Item BOs for Vengeful Spirit. Some people recommend S&Y, others Luther's Edge, and their are, obviously, numerous other options as well. What works best, in a general sense, and what should be used when? Any good swapping places/techniques that I should know about? What type of heroes are good with her, and who are her antithesises (is that a word?). Also what skills should I get first? Stun, Terror, Stats, or increase damage (passive AoE).
Also what do you think of the new patch. Clinkz got nerfed huge. Thoughts? Any thoughts about the two new heroes?
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i go stun stats for venge, ulti, aura a bit later
stats for me because of two reasons: could spam bolt, nd to boost my life,
items: a lot of my friends do use those items but i would prefer lothars more so you could swap then ww. After that get any items which add hp and something else (e.g. skadi) my personal preference is guinsoo bec, i am kind of a support player nd i could disable three opponents at the same time.
for swapping: when you see are pushing nd u see an enemy hero alone swap it, in team battles it would differ but mostly we swap the soft disablers(ww after swap if you have lothars or just run away!). dont swap lich or brad. lol (remembered some funny moments when a player did that). for hero killing, at the start when the enemy gets too close or in range of your tower, swap him then stun then money shot for the kill (the scourge/sentinel may steal it), you could prolly hunt and kill most heroes if they're below full health (though it is easier if he/she is an agi/str hero).
Generally, reserve swap for team battles, or use it when ur hunting down a hero (take care btw: if the hero is not alone cuz ur hp is very pretty)
two new heroes: mercurial - don't bother I personally hate that hero. No one has used Mercurial and owned in the LAN shop (129 square) which I frequent. Maybe he will be buffed, dunno
witch doctor- most fucked up money shot in the game. Good luck farming, though he can own when you get good items just have luck getting any of them. And the last time I played, wards is not immune to dmg from spells so >.<
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if you get lothar's, use it to get in a good position to combo the hero, not to ww after you've swapped it. or i guess you could ww after you swap and mm, but i don't see why you would do that since the enemy hero is stunned. and if it's a group battle you ww away from the melee will not help your team come out on top. i'd personally get at least one mkb and or buriza with most agi heroes - the chance for additional damage goes very well with the IAS you get as agility.
uhh a good mercurial is very hard to kill. plus item dropping doesn't apply when you're phase shifted, which is just super. witch doctor is retarded, unfortunately, although using a lothar's with him to sneak the ward in is a half decent strategy.
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On March 22 2006 21:42 Sharkey wrote:
Also what do you think of the new patch. Clinkz got nerfed huge. Thoughts? Any thoughts about the two new heroes?
Clinkz's WW movement speed boost nerf was desperately needed, and I think more nerfing could be in the works. As for the new heroes, I'd say the WitchDoc is better than Mercurial (not in pubs tho) but the stun animation needs to change to something a bit quicker.
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Does anyone know any good/great places to play on the West server, were the competition is good and there aren't any leavers?? Good Mannered Players is a also a plus
Thx for all the help on VS. But what should her starting items be? boots, etc?
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try getting safelisted for TDA games on east. they're all inhouse and most players are mannered, and the competition is basically analogous to gamei.
vs starting should be boots, bracers, and lane with a friend with basilius if possible.
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Starting item should always be a ring of regen with as many branches as you can buy.
Then you buy boots.
You can always tell who the newbies are because they have boots first.
(They don't have any lane control either, but we aren't even going to get into that)
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On March 24 2006 15:47 Paragon wrote:
Starting item should always be a ring of regen with as many branches as you can buy.
Then you buy boots.
You can always tell who the newbies are because they have boots first.
(They don't have any lane control either, but we aren't even going to get into that)
I believe the only exception to this is the Lightning Revenant.
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no there are many exceptions to that, besides branches stink.
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there are good first items, but no set of starting items, you wanna go ring of regen and branches with zeus first or sobi mask + others? adapt to the situations, if you have good control early you really shouldnt even need the ring unless you plan on a meka later
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I only read the first post. And I disagree. Spellcasters are very powerful heros. (Especially if you're opponent picks someone like clinkz since when I was Slayer, I would specifically hunt Clinkz when he was in game to the point where I killed him like 10 times thanks to wards.) Lich is one of the best heros since it's a team game. Lich makes experience between between you and your opponents which makes your team better. Assuming they didn't nerf dark ritual and frost nova since the last time I played. (5.64 or something like that)
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On March 24 2006 17:22 Judicator wrote:
there are good first items, but no set of starting items, you wanna go ring of regen and branches with zeus first or sobi mask + others? adapt to the situations, if you have good control early you really shouldnt even need the ring unless you plan on a meka later
i agree, starting items vary from one hero to another though i am a bit partial to having an hp regen item first. RoR is a good starting item but there's no point buying it if you're going to buy a RoH later. If you do that, you'll be what we called an overly "safe" player lol.
I think what you should ask is not what item is good for you to start with but what items are necessary for your survival. This varies of course with your play style, hero choice, etc.
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Hi guys, new to this website.... actually yea.. not new to DoTA though, but can someone tell me.. why is it that bane elemental is owning SVEN!?!?!?!?
Not me using sven another guy.. but i saw bane elemental owning him.. i thought SVEN was good with the god strength. i saw a guy on god str with 400 plus damage bonus
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probably this only lasted early game as fiend's grip brain sap is very hard to deal with esp. if you are both solo in your lanes (unless the sven is a noob and the bane is a decent player)
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Hahaha, Fiend's Grip -> Brain Sap -> Nightmare can so own And I guess that's how Sven got owned (his ulti finished before he was ever able to move) and full Bane > terribly hurt Sven (especially if Bane has linken's sphere and Sven can't stun him, if we'll add hex from guinsoo and/or dagon to that...)
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OMG So much dota noobs, just looking at the item builds suggested... lol
If you want good builds go to www.dota-allstars.com and read some guides(avoid the ones with lots of criticism from other posters, ofc) or download some higher level games.
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Well im a good sven.. but i find dwarven a noob hero.. in a sense its really quite easy to use man.. shoot shoot shoot buy items and then assasinate.. sigh.. well. i must learn. can u post any replys manit0u. i missed all the others as they lasted only 3 days on yousendit....
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i didnt read the whole article but if lich is somekind of "weak hero" then why is he picked often in CAL games :|
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oh sorry btw whats a nuker?
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Just a random thought:
Lone Druid is very good team hero. Very good.
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i take atropos alot in some matches against nukers, you know you can deny a kill by brain sapping yourself? o.O
lich isnt weak, its good throughout, i think the point the other person was making is that some pub nubs might think hes too good to the point of imbalance.
sniper might be of the more noob friendly heros but his low health makes him a pretty sweet early gank target.
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lich isnt weak, its good throughout, i think the point the other person was making is that some pub nubs might think hes too good to the point of imbalance.
Lich is actually that good.
He is banned from 3/4 of IHL AP games.
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if anyone wants to come play dota w/ us you're welcome to
we hang out in Clan uA on east. the only ones from bw are me, whiteflame-x17 and aBnarf, and a few others you wouldn't know.
we use ventrilo and play a loooot of dota. some cool guys. www.clancas.net/g for the vent info
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On May 02 2006 04:54 Crystallized wrote:
Well im a good sven.. but i find dwarven a noob hero.. in a sense its really quite easy to use man.. shoot shoot shoot buy items and then assasinate.. sigh.. well. i must learn. can u post any replys manit0u. i missed all the others as they lasted only 3 days on yousendit....
Well, I could post some reps but I've got some problems with uploading them. If you want some of my reps (99% of dota reps I've got are experimenting with odd builds) just pm me.
If you'd like the best/most used build for certain hero also pm me stating what hero/build you'd like to see and I'll send you a rep of me playing this hero/making this build via msn or to your email.
Edit:
Some random reps of gams I've took part in lately:
http://h1.ripway.com/Manit0u/axe.w3g (2x RoR + 2x Preser build -> Meka, odd but wanted to try it)
http://h1.ripway.com/Manit0u/ogre.w3g (I think ogre works better with aghanim...)
http://h1.ripway.com/Manit0u/huh.w3g (don't really know what's that, but by size I judge it's dota)
http://h1.ripway.com/Manit0u/funny.w3g (this one or previous one is the game that we should lose because of heroes/leaver but we've won, if I'm enigma there it's this game, was quite entertaining at 5 am).
btw. I've noticed I'm addicted to making Mekansm with each hero lately, is that bad? Also I don't like to make s&y (I prefer mkb or sth like that instead), is that also bad? Perhaps I just miss the old times :/
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On May 02 2006 08:30 Judicator wrote:
i take atropos alot in some matches against nukers, you know you can deny a kill by brain sapping yourself? o.O
lich isnt weak, its good throughout, i think the point the other person was making is that some pub nubs might think hes too good to the point of imbalance.
sniper might be of the more noob friendly heros but his low health makes him a pretty sweet early gank target.
Didn't know you could brainsap yourself anyway most people forget that you can brainsap creeps and die stupidily.
Sniper is so boring with his 500dmg ulti that has 10 sec cooldown :/ Just walk around and find wounded enemies.
As to the lich... He can be strong in some combos or when you're playing against noobs but in other cases he's mostly useful only for chill/slowdown effects.
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Anyone help with good reps of Lone Druid?
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Nothing is wrong with you using those items. All players have their own preferences in choosing items. It all depends on what you think will make that hero effective based on your role in the game and personal play style.
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On May 02 2006 18:43 FrinkX wrote:if anyone wants to come play dota w/ us you're welcome to we hang out in Clan uA on east. the only ones from bw are me, whiteflame-x17 and aBnarf, and a few others you wouldn't know. we use ventrilo and play a loooot of dota. some cool guys. www.clancas.net/g for the vent info
Yes, come join the fun!
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i might drop in there with you guys later whe i get home from work. can i still play with youll if i dun have a mic?
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On May 02 2006 20:57 Manit0u wrote:
btw. I've noticed I'm addicted to making Mekansm with each hero lately, is that bad? Also I don't like to make s&y (I prefer mkb or sth like that instead), is that also bad? Perhaps I just miss the old times :/
5 int (one being chen) + 5 mekansms is what allowed the current cal-dota champions to win their side before level 14. so no mekansms are not bad at all, but they are more team oriented, not as useful in pubs.
s&y is only truely useful on a select few heroes... for others the money is better spent on mkb or buriza, like you mentioned, or a lvl 4 str/agi/int item. off the top of my head, i like s&y with sb for the extra move speed damage, jugg and bs for ias, sa for health and ns for being the best chaser in the game at night.
heroes to never get s&y with: naga - get a diffusal instead as the mana break works for images, but maim does not. lancer - again, images do not benefit. am - use bashers instead because s&y won't work with mana burn. bm - her poison orb is better than the maim. pa - she needs mkb and satanic. and obviously never get s&y on an int hero.
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meka is also one of those items that get progressively worse as the game drags on longer albeit not by much but definitely noticeable if you are the only one with it, its becoming a quick auto item mid game for me on the new hero obsidian destroyer
also, what exactly works with images? i know the standards are diffusals, but do bashers/mael/etc. work with it?
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Didn't know you could brainsap yourself anyway most people forget that you can brainsap creeps and die stupidily. Sniper is so boring with his 500dmg ulti that has 10 sec cooldown :/ Just walk around and find wounded enemies. As to the lich... He can be strong in some combos or when you're playing against noobs but in other cases he's mostly useful only for chill/slowdown effects.
Brainsap Creeps?... Brainsap costs 200 mana. I'd rather wait reallly far behind the creep line coming fourth only for short moments to feel that exp and regen. Not to mention the odds of you having <150HP and 200> mana isn't really good.
You must be kidding or not know what you are talking about regarding the lich. It is very easy to go through the whole game without dying while still contributing using him. Aggressive liches are even more scary though. He's just got stats that are WAY too high for an intel hero. Compare to Rylai, notice how his stats completely > her. And yeah, chain frost makes it impossible to 1v2 him. Although summoners like prophet and necro'lic are better protected against him, its overall a very bad idea to take on lich as a group. Send naix/omni/jugger/luna to solo him instead.
As for the sniper, he's food. Food for any hero with a disable. Hell he's food even to some heroes without disables. (Luna/Jugger)
http://spaces.msn.com/eyeofskadi/blog/cns!8F3E3C65FC7A66B0!269.entry
My own version of the noob dota guide. More detailed than whats on the first page of this topic anyway.
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IMHO Sniper>Lich in one line.
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... i want to see a sniper survive against the lich, good lich is killing at 6, a good sniper isnt getting that guarrantee
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This guide is very, very outdated.
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Sven doesn't deal most damage, warden does.
Sven deals most damage to buildings. Warden's criticals are useless against it.
And as a nerubian assassin + sniper player, I can tell you those 2 characters are rigged!
I achieve a 80% win rate with NA, and a 88% win rate with Sniper.
It's all in the micro!
I always start out with ring of basilius, and then grab a ring of health. Those give me a tactical advantage, as well as an advantage in pushing. Thus, I can focus on enemy hero harass using mana burn or just plain walking up to him/her and making a hit. When I have enough mana to go in for the kill, I do it. If I don't have the mana, I stay in harass mode.
I have an affinity towards playing STR heroes, because I like the micro intensivity of it. Panda is definitely my favourite. I generally use his ultimate to make kills during a 2v1 gank. Cyclone one, kill the other. And then run like a pansy. I dislike INT the most because of their overly simplisitic way of killing things. I enjoy AGI heroes such as NA, Sniper, PA, AM, SA, BH, and etc...
I like how easy it is for Phantom Assassin to become tanked!
But I hate how she can lose that so easily to a few blademails...
She becomes useless once a STR hero wears 2-3 of them! Doing so much damage back to yourself, and the STR hero has more HP too.
But definitely, STR is the way to go! Most challenging, most rewarding.
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na for me is so pointless, you waste all your mana to get one kill early
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none of your heroes will hold up in a league game =P with the exception of maybe am. there are definitely ways around each and every one of them. teamwork > individual heroes. however i think lich vs sniper is a good middle matchup, if the sniper is good.
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On May 16 2006 09:00 Judicator wrote:
... i want to see a sniper survive against the lich, good lich is killing at 6, a good sniper isnt getting that guarrantee
You're not forgetting that Sniper has IMBA Range, do you?
And I also think that 1-1 most IMBA hero is Bane Elemental.
Edit: Wanna try Sniper-Lich?
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On May 16 2006 13:45 One Page Memory wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2006 09:00 Judicator wrote:
... i want to see a sniper survive against the lich, good lich is killing at 6, a good sniper isnt getting that guarrantee You're not forgetting that Sniper has IMBA Range, do you? And I also think that 1-1 most IMBA hero is Bane Elemental. Edit: Wanna try Sniper-Lich?
1v1 bane is overlooked hardest solo by alot of players, he has a sleep that can kill a gank attempt, a nuke that kills the early int nukers, his ulti of course kills anybody that gets greedy enough to try to attack you infront of tower/creeps.
lich is hard since he doesn't lapse much in his early nukes thanks to ritual
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dota's really fun and easy to learn game, but if you truly wanna be a pro, try pwning with keeper of light.. hardest hero in the game in my opinion
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1:1 dota is fucking lame.
It's like New Ice Hunters in BW.
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keeper isnt too bad, i can't play morphling at all, its just not possible for me to do well with him
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Keeper is very easy, he gets bazillions of cash and with necronomicon you can really pwn others. Morphling really owns at all stages, he has a lot of damaging stuff, aoe spells, blink-like stuff etc.
Hard to play for me is ursa for example, maybe because I didn't play this hero much and I lack experience with it. Techies is god damn annoying to play (both as and against it).
I like heroes that have some crazy skills and require some knowledge/micro like Aiushtha, Pugna and Magina - this are definitely my favourite (bane and siren are nice too, but this are my top 3).
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keeper is good for feeding but the build that my friend used to own with him is bdagger dagon skadi and bot somewhere along the way...
ursa is powerful as most int characters are food for him. you just have to surprise them and kill them quickly so they can't react. Lothars as a first item is highly advisable for him.
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if anyone wants to 1v1 dota msg me, im fatalz on east^_^
-ap -sm i'll pick first so don't worry;)
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don't play short mode!
hardest hero for me is probably syllabear. i'm baaad at delegating items.
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On May 17 2006 09:07 OverTheUnder wrote:
if anyone wants to 1v1 dota msg me, im fatalz on east^_^
-ap -sm i'll pick first so don't worry;)
1. DotA 1v1 is completely pointless
2. -sm suxxx ass
Understood?
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i know i just do it when i cant find inhouses, tda and pub games are pointless too^_^
I need to get on another CAL team and an invite to the IHL;O
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i play short mode just to see how fast i can push down mid its amusing as hell when you got mid down and other team is like wtf-ing
i honestly think weaver is the hardest, ursa is not team friendly at all and what tiffany said early is right, you ll never see some of those heroes in leagues cause well pushing down a lane >>> ganking.
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Syllabear is one of the 'harder' heroes to play but once you build him and his bear up, he is friggin good. You will cut through all kinds of bullshit.
My build (I'll list the important items):
hands of midas/power treads/sange and yasha and myself (range mode until late game)
power treads/hyperstone/basher/basher on bear
the rest of the items depends on your opponents
Use rabid on your bear if you have to choose between yourself and the bear. You will get so much entangle and bash that if you're decently lucky, you can kill stealth assassin before he can return invisible.
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yea, there are different ways to play him. Alot of it should also depend on who the enemy heroes are. If you just buy a little bit for yourself and start giving the bear items early, you need to go bear form somewhat early so sylla can survive as well. I think one general build would be something like boots ,wraithbands ( or bracers in case of many nukers)and a ror, then give your bear treads and a basher. Then you can go from there.
edit: this is just another possible early game bear build from what heen posted. It basically revolves around keeping the bear alive and make use of pushing abilities while your in the process of building a basher;O Just make sure Sylla has enough survivability when you do this though.
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I played my first dota game yesterday(whats dota short for anyways;p), got a hero named "Magnus" - weak as hell, didn't do SHIT damage and died instantly :| What am I supposed to do with the guy?
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Ok, I played Lone Druid like a hundred + games.
My impressions:
Best way is to have Syllabear maxed at 7th level and synergy maxed at 8, no special, no second. Special once at 9 level, then max roar. At start I byu Ring + 2 Branches. No boots - doesn't need them. Then - recipe for blood. After that go for Boots and Sange+Yash, while byuing some rings (+2 armor, since bear has only 6) for the bear. Then - Power Thread for the bear and if possible - Boots of Travel. At this poin all differs - Bashers are good, HyperStone is also very good, return damage to the syllabear if too many strenght heroes.
Basicly Lone Druid is very good at interval 7-16,17 level. If happened to not gather enough money till this moment you're screwed.
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DotA is a crime to wcIII.
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I prefer maxing out bear/rabid/synergy in that order and get bear form later.
I don't see the point of getting boots of travel on yourself. Power treads are better and cheaper on this character.
He's pretty much good from lvl 12 to 25 imo. I don't know why you're saying that he gets worse after 16?
Armor on the bear seems pretty useless to me. People will usually not go for your bear in a fight.
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Bear is always useful in pubs for when the player leaves and he has a buff bear. You can use it to hold back creep pushes while your towers beat on creeps. Heh.
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On May 18 2006 06:11 Ethenielle wrote:
I played my first dota game yesterday(whats dota short for anyways;p), got a hero named "Magnus" - weak as hell, didn't do SHIT damage and died instantly :| What am I supposed to do with the guy?
1. DotA = Defence of the Ancients
2. Magnus (Magnataur) is really pwn hero - extremely good for team games and very good for soloing, he has decent skills, pwn ultimate etc. you just have to learn how to play him.
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Magnus is such a boring piece of shit :D
He isn't for pwn4age killing. That isn't to say he can't fight but he is a steady non-sneaky hero. After your basic low lvl items, get a perseverance so you don't have to go to town. It will also help you spam your 300 dmg nuke which costs only 90 mana -_-;
Later turn it into a battle fury and you will be a creeping god.
Use your buffs on heros that deal the most damage/can get the most hits in (such as stealth assassin).
If you're new to dota, try some of the easier heroes and after you have the general idea of how to play, you can start randoming with ease.
Some of the easiest heroes (imo):
Zeus, Stealth Assassin, Bounty Hunter, Luna, Lich
There are tons more but I think the ones I listed are pretty effective for newbs.
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On May 18 2006 20:04 Heen wrote:
Magnus is such a boring piece of shit :D
He isn't for pwn4age killing. That isn't to say he can't fight but he is a steady non-sneaky hero. After your basic low lvl items, get a perseverance so you don't have to go to town. It will also help you spam your 300 dmg nuke which costs only 90 mana -_-;
Later turn it into a battle fury and you will be a creeping god.
Use your buffs on heros that deal the most damage/can get the most hits in (such as stealth assassin).
If you're new to dota, try some of the easier heroes and after you have the general idea of how to play, you can start randoming with ease.
Some of the easiest heroes (imo):
Zeus, Stealth Assassin, Bounty Hunter, Luna, Lich
There are tons more but I think the ones I listed are pretty effective for newbs.
Why the hell did you mention only the tricky heroes that are really hard to play vs some decent oponents?
Zeus - will get ganged and raped all the time so he can't grow/farm
SA - wards early = VERY hard time for him
BH - has really low hp and you really have to know how to play him, otherwise he's worth as much as shit
Luna - why the hell most people get aghanim instead of refresher for her and why the hell they make int builds instead of getting stuff like satanic/buriza for her?
Lich - only good for noob pubies or with decent team, otherwise this hero is pretty much useless (I can pwn him being solo vs him in a line with siren or sven, especially sven)
Easy heroes are:
Troll warlord - just go aura/stats, farm and get nice eq for dmg
Bone - good in noob pubies - useless vs decent team, similar to troll warlord but you get ww
Sniper - most boring hero ever, just go for stun/range in the beginning and try to find some wounded enemies to finish them off with your ulti, easy stuff
Leoric - no need to elaborate
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I don't see how the heroes you listed are easier than the ones I did. I guess it's a matter of preference.
The reasons you gave for why my list was bad can be applied to all heroes.
The heroes you listed require decent farming and a solid build. That is a harder task for a newb than using very simple, yet deadly skills when he sees his enemies.
Seems like you're just contradicting me for the hell of it. You also forget that since he is a newb, he will most likely be playing with other newbs/semi-newbs?
Having a shitty troll in my team is far worse than a shitty zeus.
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True, sorry. For beginner levels Lich and Zeus (preferably on the same team) just own
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yeah.. definitely do NOT try item dependent heroes such as troll and faceless to start, as they are late game as opposed to early game ints that are relatively straightforward such as lich and zeus.
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Now some fun for all of you sick enough to watch DotA replays:
1. Lion ownage
2. Chen ownage
With Chen I went for the mekansm/dagon build and did something like 12-3 (enemies were viper, sniper, tiny, leshrac and terror so it wasn't all that easy, especially with huge delay and night without sleep). I kind of enjoyed this game, many close calls and some nice pwnage.
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On May 18 2006 20:17 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2006 20:04 Heen wrote:
Magnus is such a boring piece of shit :D
He isn't for pwn4age killing. That isn't to say he can't fight but he is a steady non-sneaky hero. After your basic low lvl items, get a perseverance so you don't have to go to town. It will also help you spam your 300 dmg nuke which costs only 90 mana -_-;
Later turn it into a battle fury and you will be a creeping god.
Use your buffs on heros that deal the most damage/can get the most hits in (such as stealth assassin).
If you're new to dota, try some of the easier heroes and after you have the general idea of how to play, you can start randoming with ease.
Some of the easiest heroes (imo):
Zeus, Stealth Assassin, Bounty Hunter, Luna, Lich
There are tons more but I think the ones I listed are pretty effective for newbs. Why the hell did you mention only the tricky heroes that are really hard to play vs some decent oponents? Zeus - will get ganged and raped all the time so he can't grow/farm SA - wards early = VERY hard time for him BH - has really low hp and you really have to know how to play him, otherwise he's worth as much as shit Luna - why the hell most people get aghanim instead of refresher for her and why the hell they make int builds instead of getting stuff like satanic/buriza for her? Lich - only good for noob pubies or with decent team, otherwise this hero is pretty much useless (I can pwn him being solo vs him in a line with siren or sven, especially sven) Easy heroes are: Troll warlord - just go aura/stats, farm and get nice eq for dmg Bone - good in noob pubies - useless vs decent team, similar to troll warlord but you get ww Sniper - most boring hero ever, just go for stun/range in the beginning and try to find some wounded enemies to finish them off with your ulti, easy stuff Leoric - no need to elaborate
If you think a Lich is useless, you have not played in any good DotA games. He has insane harassing ability, can deny more easily with Dark Ritual and has a killer ultimate.
Luna cannot be played as a fighter hero. Check her stat growth, her spells, etc. You can argue about that one but regardless Luna cannot survive w/o her extra mana pool/regen and extra hp. She is frail. Just because she has an attack enhancing aura does not mean she will be able to hang with the other designated agi heroes such as Clinkz, Anti Mage and Sniper.
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I'm definitely going to try out that sand king next game! :E
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Just to keep things alive:
That is many buff, yes?
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Yeah, bounty was quite a beast this game (even got me once when I got omnislashed and then ganked by lycan + bounty - my second and last death this game).
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how to find out if you are noob at dota:
you made sange and yasha more than once in your last 100 ar games
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Haha, I find s&y SO retarded at times... Like making it with Sven, Clinkz or Sniper... I want to cry when I see such stuff
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It's a good, well-rounded item. It's especially good on clinkz since he will almost always maim. Just because almost all combat-oriented heroes get it doesn't mean it's any worse of an item.
It gives you a noticeable boost in HP, which most orb items don't. Plus it's really easy to make, and cheap.
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yeah but i'd rather pay a little more and get buriza or butterfly on clinkz.
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It's completely situational though. I prefer to get the items you've mentioned later. I'm not saying that S&Y ranks up there with the 'godly lvl 4 items.' It's just FAR from a waste of gold.
Claiming that making S&Y is noob is ridiculous.
btw, what are your favorite heroes?
I love pudge (who I play only when I host). He isn't so great against a good, organized team but he's really fun and powerful. I usually pick him when the other team doesn't have too many high hp heros.
I random most of the time but I do well with faceless and death prophet when it comes to teamwork. They are good at both small and big fights.
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Oblivion, Enchantress, Bane Elemental, Lycantrope, Rogue Knight, Lightning Revenant, Siren <--- definitely my favourite heroes. First three and siren I like because you really need some skill with them not to lame completely and you always have something else to do than pressing 'A' and clicking somewhere. Lycan and Sven are my favorite melee heroes, they have all you need to be useful for the team throughout the game and they pwn ass, lycan with speed and sven with sheer might of his blows
Random Fact: If you manage to get power treads, battlefury, satanic and heart of torrasque on sven you're pretty much invincible and pose a threat to anything out there (and if you add buriza and radiance later...)
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On May 31 2006 16:46 Manit0u wrote:Random Fact: If you manage to get power treads, battlefury, satanic and heart of torrasque on sven you're pretty much invincible and pose a threat to anything out there (and if you add buriza and radiance later...)
How is that in any way a fact? Any sort of debuff will take care of god's strength and you are extremely vulnerable to disables and stuns. Fail.
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Medusa is supposedly the counter to sven, but there are others too. Then again, all heros have counters.
I like Lycan because he is a badass hero who will get the job done fast and get out of there fast, if he needs to that is.
On Lightning Revenant, what I do these days is get boots, RoR, 3 circlets and some TP scrolls and tower hug while farming. Then I get Radiance which usually gives more damage than my base damage. It takes patience but as long as you can analyze the minimap, you will survive.
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S&Y is one of favorite items and I get it because I can be more effective with it than if I save up for something more expensive. I could usually finish it at lvl 9 (depends on my hero and the enemy hero in my lane) while the enemy heroes are still saving up for those higher lvl items. Though I only get with some heroes I know it would be great on and it also depends on the situation.
My fave heroes are mortred, rhasta, rylai, doom, nerubian assassin, spirit breaker, prophet
mortred - my signature hero lol
rhasta, rylai - they have been nerfed so many times and yet they are still powerful. At one point, rylai is one of only a few int heroes which can still own late game.
doom - farming god haha
nerubian assassin - awesome hero which owns early to mid game and supports end game
spirit breaker - somewhat a str mortred but easier to farm and has more hp
prophet - can be made into a hero killer, pusher, and farmer ^_^
Sven and Medusa counter each other back in 5.84c.
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On May 02 2006 18:43 FrinkX wrote:if anyone wants to come play dota w/ us you're welcome to we hang out in Clan uA on east. the only ones from bw are me, whiteflame-x17 and aBnarf, and a few others you wouldn't know. we use ventrilo and play a loooot of dota. some cool guys. www.clancas.net/g for the vent info
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Bristleback with vanguard - ultimate tank haha
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