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TvP On Guillo
Profile Joined April 2004
Denmark646 Posts
May 17 2005 01:22 GMT
#181
On May 17 2005 09:06 X)Benny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2005 11:22 X)Benny wrote:
I don't understand how it is possible to make so much money from poker. The money you make, some people must be losing it. Even if you consider that a lot of little loses combine to a few big profits, how can there be so many people losing so much money alltogether???

So, who is gonna answer that??
The two who tried so far (imRadu and PvTguillo, p.4) clearly missed the point.


Perhaps if you rephrase your question into something that makes sense, you will get the answer you're looking for.
Deeply earnest and thoughtful people stand on shaky footing with the public - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
draeger
Profile Joined July 2003
United States3256 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-05-17 02:28:52
May 17 2005 02:25 GMT
#182
On May 16 2005 13:34 Casper... wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2005 12:04 draeger wrote:
On May 16 2005 10:12 Tien wrote:
The book of tells can be deceiving though.

One of the tells he mentions is if an opponent is covering their mouth, chances are they are bluffing.

But I have been in similar situations when in fact them covering their mouth meant they had a good hand.


It can be, but that's why you need to assess a game before ever applying ANY tell. You can't come in cold turkey, see some guy shake while betting on the river, and assume he has the nuts. A tell is something you generally need to observe over the course of a game before being able to apply it.

The part of the book that I felt was most beneficial was not necessarily having that big list of tells, but his explanations of WHY people do the things they do. Basically it was the introductions to most of the major sections of the book. With that information, you can begin trying to pick out your own tells on people depending on how they play. Personally, I've found that picking up a tell on a player is as rewarding (if not more) than winning money. However, that's just me and about 99% of my poker expeirence has been through offline events.


shaking pf from an amateur is AA or KK
100%


Not always. I'm an amateur player and I shake for EVERY hand because my hands are naturally shakey. It's something that I think is genetic, but I've always had a mild shake to my hands when I try and hold them still. It actually works to my benefit occasionally because people see me shake on a bluff and assume I actually have something.

t.t
Izenra
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada679 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-05-17 02:38:50
May 17 2005 02:37 GMT
#183
On May 17 2005 05:07 Dirk wrote:
Also, this post made me realize that I may be mis leading alot of my friends who talk to me on AIM about my poker winnings. When I show them a big hand or talk to them about a nice run... i pretty much am giving them only the good side of poker which definitely is misleading. I've had 12 friends total in the past 2 months that have started playing poker online after hearing about my winnings (most of them played poker with me in live games and at one point or another had tried online but then quit because they thought it was 'rigged'). Because of this i stopped talking about profit and nice hands altogether because I don't want to feel guilty about them losing money online. I damn sure couldnt make money when i first started playing and didnt even realize the type of strategy and thinking that goes on... but when I finally did it was more of "jesus christ i never knew it was this deep, no wonder i couldnt fucking win".


Yea I was talking to one of my friend about how much I win. I even warned him that only 20 % of player and less actually win. He said : " I am only going to spend about 20 $"

So I asked him how he is doing each he says good thing like : " I am up 200, drop to 150, up to 400"!

One morning he came in very down, I ask him what the matter : he fucking DEPOSITE and LOST 400 $.. what an idiot.
imRadu
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
1798 Posts
May 17 2005 03:13 GMT
#184
On May 17 2005 09:06 X)Benny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2005 11:22 X)Benny wrote:
I don't understand how it is possible to make so much money from poker. The money you make, some people must be losing it. Even if you consider that a lot of little loses combine to a few big profits, how can there be so many people losing so much money alltogether???

So, who is gonna answer that??
The two who tried so far (imRadu and PvTguillo, p.4) clearly missed the point.


-omg benny i just finished 94th in a tourney confirming my pro status and you say im wrong because i said lotsa fish :D

what did i miss? :D
Its really good to see that some people dont let education get in the way of their ignorance
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7474 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-05-17 03:42:35
May 17 2005 03:23 GMT
#185
izenra , i promise you that anyone with a knack for the game and puts in over 100 hours a month can make money. 2. starting at low limits creates addicition. ..... .1/.2 tables make you think and strive to make money, and alot (NOT ALL) of players try and coin flip there way to the next level. All of you who are starting on low levels IMO are starting wrong, My poker bankroll managmant theory goes .... save alot of money in r/l before playing online, you can except to turn 50 into 500 a hundred percent of the time , you should start at any site with no less then 250-300 dollars but more preferably closer to a thousand. Micro limits teaches bad habits and for the most part can be considered real poker.

The smallest limit that is NL and played on a level where people want to win is 50dollar n/l tables
blinds .25/.50 ... because even thou it is a small amount of money it is a REAL amount of it.... for instance a .25 raise on a .1/.2 cent table will do what to someone who wants to "gamble" while a 11 dollar raise speaks to people .... that says 2 days of jack in the box
2 packs of smokes (roughly)
2 12packs of diet coke
and so on .. because on that level people are thinking "HEY THIS IS REAL MONEY! I CAN WIN 200 dollars in a multiway pot , OH SHIT..." while levels above it is units ... "the goal of the game to take induce everyone to give you all there chips ...... the strategy if figuring out how"

I say your friend it someone very smart actually
he deposited the exact amount that his luck variance got him to, and then lost it. He has just learned that he's not good enough to handle 400 dollars in poker ... which generally means he should freeroll his way up! ....
Chibi[OWNS]
Profile Joined May 2003
United Kingdom10597 Posts
May 17 2005 03:28 GMT
#186
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PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
May 17 2005 03:33 GMT
#187
On May 17 2005 12:28 Chibi[OWNS] wrote:
i am a pro poker player......


if you don't believe me ,,,,,,


give $0.30 to IbsuBaiHui on www.pokerstars.com

.......tnx


chibi always cracks me up
Pure fan
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
May 17 2005 03:54 GMT
#188
actually around 40% of players win
it's just that most of the winners win microscopically and pay the site 5x what they win in rake
JAM THE FUCKER!
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
May 17 2005 03:55 GMT
#189
a mediocre player is the pokersite's best friend
JAM THE FUCKER!
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
May 17 2005 04:12 GMT
#190
where did you get the 40% number?
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
May 17 2005 04:28 GMT
#191
the people that win a lot don't pay the same rake
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
May 17 2005 04:36 GMT
#192
pt stats for this month
JAM THE FUCKER!
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
May 17 2005 04:37 GMT
#193
yeah switched to bigger sample
40% holds

seems right; net$inplay less rake; adjust for the better players winning alot more than the marginal winners
JAM THE FUCKER!
Izenra
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada679 Posts
May 17 2005 05:23 GMT
#194
On May 17 2005 12:23 AttackZerg wrote:
izenra , i promise you that anyone with a knack for the game and puts in over 100 hours a month can make money. 2. starting at low limits creates addicition. ..... .1/.2 tables make you think and strive to make money, and alot (NOT ALL) of players try and coin flip there way to the next level. All of you who are starting on low levels IMO are starting wrong, My poker bankroll managmant theory goes .... save alot of money in r/l before playing online, you can except to turn 50 into 500 a hundred percent of the time , you should start at any site with no less then 250-300 dollars but more preferably closer to a thousand. Micro limits teaches bad habits and for the most part can be considered real poker.

The smallest limit that is NL and played on a level where people want to win is 50dollar n/l tables
blinds .25/.50 ... because even thou it is a small amount of money it is a REAL amount of it.... for instance a .25 raise on a .1/.2 cent table will do what to someone who wants to "gamble" while a 11 dollar raise speaks to people .... that says 2 days of jack in the box
2 packs of smokes (roughly)
2 12packs of diet coke
and so on .. because on that level people are thinking "HEY THIS IS REAL MONEY! I CAN WIN 200 dollars in a multiway pot , OH SHIT..." while levels above it is units ... "the goal of the game to take induce everyone to give you all there chips ...... the strategy if figuring out how"

I say your friend it someone very smart actually
he deposited the exact amount that his luck variance got him to, and then lost it. He has just learned that he's not good enough to handle 400 dollars in poker ... which generally means he should freeroll his way up! ....


No I warned him like a fucker, that why he is an idiot. And 400 $ is 70 % of his total cash....
He suck at poker, I play vs him lol. I don' think he ever got over 50 buck , unless he deposite 100 $ at once?
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-05-17 05:34:33
May 17 2005 05:31 GMT
#195
so those stats are just your personal experience right? could vary on different limits for example?

PT said 40% was even or better, meaning including the rake they paid to PS all of them are winning players?
Administrator
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
May 17 2005 05:58 GMT
#196
higher limits it would be closer to 50:50 less rake

rake is continually removed from play; after rake 40% win (although small winners pay more rake than they win)
JAM THE FUCKER!
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
May 17 2005 05:59 GMT
#197
something like 50/100NL would be incredibly close to 50:50
JAM THE FUCKER!
RoTaNiMoD
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States558 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-05-17 06:18:23
May 17 2005 06:17 GMT
#198
I thought Casper couldn't be right, but to my surprise, I got the same results. My PT stats of 1800 unique players list 40.88% as winners, 59.12% as losers. My stats for 25-50 NL, 120 unique players, has exactly the same numbers of winners and losers.

Very interesting.
emerton
Profile Joined April 2004
Norway167 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-05-17 06:56:03
May 17 2005 06:55 GMT
#199
I play short handed low limit. 40 - 60 there also. 100k hands.
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-05-17 07:03:10
May 17 2005 07:02 GMT
#200
(I found the answer to my question)
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