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draeger
Profile Joined July 2003
United States3256 Posts
May 16 2005 00:51 GMT
#141
Maybe it's just me, but the only book that I found helpful was Caro's book of tells. Everything else I've read has generally shared very little that I felt was helpful to my game. After playing the game for long enough, you don't need somebody to tell you how to play AK in the various positions of the game.. you should've figured that out already. I did find Caro's book helpful because I've never been great with tells and it did give me a nice little checklist of stuff to try and stay alert for. The next poker book I plan to read is the Psychology of Poker because it seems to be another book that deals primarily with players' emotions and not with the cards being used.
t.t
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
May 16 2005 01:12 GMT
#142
The book of tells can be deceiving though.

One of the tells he mentions is if an opponent is covering their mouth, chances are they are bluffing.

But I have been in similar situations when in fact them covering their mouth meant they had a good hand.
We decide our own destiny
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
May 16 2005 01:22 GMT
#143
Tells can help but generally IMO books are too basic and almost useless when it comes to no limit poker.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-05-16 01:40:16
May 16 2005 01:39 GMT
#144
I play ring because it's the least intensive. Can browse, chat and all that stuff at the same time without any problem. Heads up needs so much attention =[

I agree that it's boring to watch but I don't play for your entertainment unfortunately :p I watch Elky alot though, it's pretty fun to see.

Haven't read any book so I most definitely don't think they are a must for online ring play.
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pinbaLL
Profile Joined March 2004
Sweden1711 Posts
May 16 2005 01:49 GMT
#145
On May 16 2005 02:55 Rekrul wrote:
120k isnt much though

jeez.
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draeger
Profile Joined July 2003
United States3256 Posts
May 16 2005 03:04 GMT
#146
On May 16 2005 10:12 Tien wrote:
The book of tells can be deceiving though.

One of the tells he mentions is if an opponent is covering their mouth, chances are they are bluffing.

But I have been in similar situations when in fact them covering their mouth meant they had a good hand.


It can be, but that's why you need to assess a game before ever applying ANY tell. You can't come in cold turkey, see some guy shake while betting on the river, and assume he has the nuts. A tell is something you generally need to observe over the course of a game before being able to apply it.

The part of the book that I felt was most beneficial was not necessarily having that big list of tells, but his explanations of WHY people do the things they do. Basically it was the introductions to most of the major sections of the book. With that information, you can begin trying to pick out your own tells on people depending on how they play. Personally, I've found that picking up a tell on a player is as rewarding (if not more) than winning money. However, that's just me and about 99% of my poker expeirence has been through offline events.
t.t
Izenra
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada679 Posts
May 16 2005 03:25 GMT
#147
On May 16 2005 08:41 NeverEndingStory wrote:
Izenra what about championship no limit & pot limit?or harrington on poker?
I haven t read any of them but I heard they cower some advanced material.


I did not read the book, and from what I see, I think poker forum are just as good hehe.

And harrington is tournment play, I am more ring play.

Although I don't think I need a book anymore. I might read some of the new book, but I don't think they are going to be that good.

Like, super system ( old I know) , the only few thing I really remember is that you absolutly need an 5 or a 10 to make a straigh, which is pretty basic put I had never thought about it lol.
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
May 16 2005 04:34 GMT
#148
On May 16 2005 12:04 draeger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2005 10:12 Tien wrote:
The book of tells can be deceiving though.

One of the tells he mentions is if an opponent is covering their mouth, chances are they are bluffing.

But I have been in similar situations when in fact them covering their mouth meant they had a good hand.


It can be, but that's why you need to assess a game before ever applying ANY tell. You can't come in cold turkey, see some guy shake while betting on the river, and assume he has the nuts. A tell is something you generally need to observe over the course of a game before being able to apply it.

The part of the book that I felt was most beneficial was not necessarily having that big list of tells, but his explanations of WHY people do the things they do. Basically it was the introductions to most of the major sections of the book. With that information, you can begin trying to pick out your own tells on people depending on how they play. Personally, I've found that picking up a tell on a player is as rewarding (if not more) than winning money. However, that's just me and about 99% of my poker expeirence has been through offline events.


shaking pf from an amateur is AA or KK
100%
JAM THE FUCKER!
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
May 16 2005 05:14 GMT
#149
What's ring and why's it so relaxing?
Izenra
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada679 Posts
May 16 2005 05:25 GMT
#150
cash game, no blind increasing, easier IMO.
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
May 16 2005 05:52 GMT
#151
"no blind increasing" means to only bet with good cards?
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 16 2005 06:07 GMT
#152
No, he left off the s, he meant no blinds increasing. The big and small blinds are constant on cash games so you can wait for good cards, which is not the case late in many tournies.
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lurendreieren
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway59 Posts
May 16 2005 06:07 GMT
#153
cash game is more skill than online tournies since blinds vs stack are so high and most decisions are autoplay because u have so little money.
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
May 16 2005 07:18 GMT
#154
ring u are methodically collecting information for that opportunity to stack someone

tourney you get big then race nonstop
JAM THE FUCKER!
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
May 16 2005 08:02 GMT
#155
of course, nothing is more nerve-wracking than facing a big decision for your chips with a marginal hand late in a tournment
JAM THE FUCKER!
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36379 Posts
May 16 2005 08:05 GMT
#156
i think tournament is harder because it requires a ridiculous amount of focus for an extended period of time... ring you can make mistakes and still recover, lots of times in tournaments you can't
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Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
May 16 2005 10:06 GMT
#157
actually it's the other way around for a good tournament player
having the table covered 2x masks pretty much all errors
JAM THE FUCKER!
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
May 16 2005 10:48 GMT
#158
Hm, sorry about using this thread for this but it's already on top and it's about poker
Maybe someone can say something insightful

I've just started playing .. 0.01/0.02 NL mostly
I'm having trouble with the following situation: I join a table where about 2/3 of people all play very loose. They play at least until flop like 80% of the time. I hear it's a good idea to fold a lot and play good cards. Since they are all playing lose they notice me quickly and when I act with good cards they fold and i collect tiny pots. And if I don't play good cards I tend to lose because, well, they are bad cards, and rarely does everyone fold and somebody likely DOES have good cards.

What's a good way to go about in dealing with players like this? I'm sure they aren't very common at higher stakes but meanwhile...
Izenra
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada679 Posts
May 16 2005 11:00 GMT
#159
BOy I didn't know 1/2 cent limit were that fancy.

Play more hand, raise a lot so that you get an image( lol an image for 1/2 cent) if you have a tight image.

MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
May 16 2005 11:06 GMT
#160
NL = no limit, why are you saying "1/2 cent limit"?
well I've seen $5+ bets on 1/2 cent NL a lot, so its not THAT small
i mean where else are players supposed to start?
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