I feel like Valve will never be able to make a game that will please us 1.6 players who were halfway good at the game. They failed to put forth a decent effort to include us in Source, and I really doubt that they're making this next game with our interests in mind.

Even so, I'm somewhat excited to see what this is, but I can't help but be pessimistic.

samd

United States77 Posts

August 12 2011 06:14 GMT

#24

Just to let you guys know, the rumors are that they only invited Source players to give feedback. To put that into terms you guys would understand its like if Blizzard was developing SC2 and only invited WC3 players to help design the game.

hawk123

United States77 Posts

August 12 2011 06:21 GMT

#25

1.6 was a great game but had flaws just like source had its own flaws...but they both were really fun and exciting and are way better then these trash fps games they are making these days...so I am excited.

Trizz

Netherlands1318 Posts

August 12 2011 06:24 GMT

#26

I'm really interested in this.

storm44

1293 Posts

August 12 2011 06:26 GMT

#27

Omg this can be the best thing ever.. Hope it doesnt flop like promod

itsjustatank

Hong Kong9154 Posts

August 12 2011 06:26 GMT

#28

We need a good competitive FPS again. Hopefully Valve doesn't mess this up by trying to appeal too much to pub gamers.

hawk123

United States77 Posts

August 12 2011 06:33 GMT

#29

Hopefully its for PC only and they dont try to do a console mainstream

lowkontrast

United States855 Posts

August 12 2011 06:36 GMT

#30

OMFG.

The way I play SC2 now is the way I've played 1.6 and Source up until SC2.

NIIINO

Slovakia1320 Posts

August 12 2011 06:38 GMT

#31

isnt this going to be like a 3rd big CS ? (cs.16, CSS, and this ?) Can valve actually count to 3 ? :D
Im really looking forward to this. We need new FPS for PC and this can be huge !

Perscienter

957 Posts

August 12 2011 06:39 GMT

#32

The CS community is already split in two halves and Valve failed with source. Source showed many improvements on the surface, but the mechanics are worse. Now the next one. Companies should stop creating new titles until the old ones are fixed.

spacek

United States213 Posts

August 12 2011 06:52 GMT

#33

for everyone saying rework 1.6 into the source engine-

www.cspromod.com

you'll recognize the devs as some of the same guys who worked on CPMA.

oblong9

United States14 Posts

August 12 2011 06:54 GMT

#34

yeah i read about this today,

i sincerely hope they bring in pro 1.6 players so they dont fuck the game up like they did with source

Combine

United States812 Posts

August 12 2011 06:56 GMT

#35

I really hope they don't fuck it up. I don't think the scene could handle everyone moving over again just to end up with a bad game and re-split.

hawk123

United States77 Posts

August 12 2011 06:57 GMT

#36

On August 12 2011 15:39 Perscienter wrote:
The CS community is already split in two halves and Valve failed with source. Source showed many improvements on the surface, but the mechanics are worse. Now the next one. Companies should stop creating new titles until the old ones are fixed.

Valve did not fail with source...source was a great game..the recoil and randomness was diff then 1.6 but there were plenty of better physics in source then in 1.6...its just like bw players saying sc2 sucks and they will always say that...if valve sticks to its roots on the idea of what counter strike is and make it for PC not console then im sure this game will have great success, especially with how big esports is growing.

dogabutila

United States1437 Posts

August 12 2011 07:29 GMT

#37

On August 12 2011 15:57 hawk123 wrote:

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Just a question. What would you call it if all the newer games tournaments died out and all of the major world tournaments went back to the old version of the game instead of the new one?

Pretty sure that would be called a failure. For example, if the mechanics in sc2 were so derp that all the pros went back to playing bw, wouldn't that be a failure?

That is what happened re:cs / cs:s

Holcan

Canada2593 Posts

August 12 2011 07:30 GMT

#38

On August 12 2011 15:57 hawk123 wrote:

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First thing, what valve roots? buying counterstrike and mass producing it, making it great with 1.3-1.5, then releasing the shitstorm that was 1.6? Then making a half ass rendition of the game in source? Which only picked off competitively because of its predecessor? What does PC vs console have to do with anything? Did you even play video games in their prime? Or are you a late comer that has the "ideals" of the video game everyone wants figured out? Pretty sure when people (read 1.6 fanatics) say source sucks, its because it does. If people are fans of BW, and say sc2 sucks, then they clearly do not see the greatness that sc2 has brought to esports as a whole, let alone RTS in America. Source can hardly claim doing the same thing for the FPS genre, anywhere in the world.

I'm very grim about this, they should've just lent resources to CSPM, that would've been a much better investment in generating buzz around counterstrike.

Nella

United States64 Posts

August 12 2011 07:35 GMT

#39

If there's ever going to be a true sequel to counter strike, it'll probably be Tactical Intervention. It is being developed by the co-creator of the original counterstrike mod, Minh Le.

Anything by valve is not a true sequel in my eyes. Though i doubt Tactical Intervention will ever make as big a splash as CS

backtoback

Canada1276 Posts

August 12 2011 07:45 GMT

#40

you can not compare source to sc2 because source died in terms of pros and tournaments where as sc2 is striving to the top. Source is a failure, deal with it. SC2 is not.

A real analogy would be this but this really did not happen. (SC2 comes out. Everyone moves to SC2. SC2 tournaments dies with all the pros leaving and everyone went back to BW.)