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Profile Joined July 2010
Germany522 Posts
January 17 2013 05:50 GMT
#3181
On January 17 2013 14:12 skeldark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 14:08 Obstikal wrote:
On January 17 2013 12:26 skeldark wrote:
After playing the "closed beta" for over 1 year now, i feel like im done with the game.

So not hyped for the release (or the new name for release today: "open beta") anymore.


isnt this game barely half finished? How many acts are there going to be ? 3 more right ?

Also since i'm on the topic about the content of the game, is there going to be new gems/gear added over time ? or even classes/expansions ??


They will keep improving the game. Act 4 is planned, more gems ect...

For sure, i will play act3 once, but the core game idea is done long time by now.

I saw many, many changes, however they did not change the game idea - feeling.

Dont get me wrong, its a nice action-rpg
but i dont think its something that you want to play for really long time.


So you played the unfinished, unbalanced closed beta of a game for over a year and dont think people will play this game for a long time? Okay
"Did you know that in the original batman movie they casted nestea as joker but when batman threw him into the acid he was fine so they had to recast it with Jack Nicholson......it's a true fact" -Artosis
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
January 17 2013 05:52 GMT
#3182
On January 17 2013 14:50 Scio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 14:12 skeldark wrote:
On January 17 2013 14:08 Obstikal wrote:
On January 17 2013 12:26 skeldark wrote:
After playing the "closed beta" for over 1 year now, i feel like im done with the game.

So not hyped for the release (or the new name for release today: "open beta") anymore.


isnt this game barely half finished? How many acts are there going to be ? 3 more right ?

Also since i'm on the topic about the content of the game, is there going to be new gems/gear added over time ? or even classes/expansions ??


They will keep improving the game. Act 4 is planned, more gems ect...

For sure, i will play act3 once, but the core game idea is done long time by now.

I saw many, many changes, however they did not change the game idea - feeling.

Dont get me wrong, its a nice action-rpg
but i dont think its something that you want to play for really long time.


So you played the unfinished, unbalanced closed beta of a game for over a year and dont think people will play this game for a long time? Okay

Exactly. Because it was not the finishing or the balance that is the reason why i think so.
Save gaming: kill esport
Scio
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany522 Posts
January 17 2013 05:53 GMT
#3183
On January 17 2013 14:52 skeldark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 14:50 Scio wrote:
On January 17 2013 14:12 skeldark wrote:
On January 17 2013 14:08 Obstikal wrote:
On January 17 2013 12:26 skeldark wrote:
After playing the "closed beta" for over 1 year now, i feel like im done with the game.

So not hyped for the release (or the new name for release today: "open beta") anymore.


isnt this game barely half finished? How many acts are there going to be ? 3 more right ?

Also since i'm on the topic about the content of the game, is there going to be new gems/gear added over time ? or even classes/expansions ??


They will keep improving the game. Act 4 is planned, more gems ect...

For sure, i will play act3 once, but the core game idea is done long time by now.

I saw many, many changes, however they did not change the game idea - feeling.

Dont get me wrong, its a nice action-rpg
but i dont think its something that you want to play for really long time.


So you played the unfinished, unbalanced closed beta of a game for over a year and dont think people will play this game for a long time? Okay

Exactly. Because it was not the finishing or the balance that is the reason why i think so.


No i meant that playing an unfinished game for a year is already quite a long time.
"Did you know that in the original batman movie they casted nestea as joker but when batman threw him into the acid he was fine so they had to recast it with Jack Nicholson......it's a true fact" -Artosis
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 05:55:47
January 17 2013 05:55 GMT
#3184
Yes. its a great game and it have replay value, up to a certain point.
Thats was my frist point. By making so long betas, and even call the release "open beta" they throw out their content so early that most people are done with the game already at release.
And the closed beta was not closed in any means...
Save gaming: kill esport
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 06:04:13
January 17 2013 06:01 GMT
#3185
I'm not sure the value of beta keys currently, but I figure I'll try anyways. I'm looking for a couple keys for my two friends who I really want to get into the game, any help is appreciated, love you guys

I've been playing this game non-stop for the past week. I've experimented with all of the characters and the game is quite amazing. I'm getting ready to settle down and really get into character progression once I have some buddies to play through with.

edit: also, almost forgot, it's my birthday if that helps
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 06:07:32
January 17 2013 06:06 GMT
#3186
On January 17 2013 15:01 Romance_us wrote:
I'm not sure the value of beta keys currently, but I figure I'll try anyways. I'm looking for a couple keys for my two friends who I really want to get into the game, any help is appreciated, love you guys

I've been playing this game non-stop for the past week. I've experimented with all of the characters and the game is quite amazing. I'm getting ready to settle down and really get into character progression once I have some buddies to play through with.

edit: also, almost forgot, it's my birthday if that helps

Happy birthday.
Sadly i have non left to give away.
Open beta is very soon so dont buy any key !
Because of the full reset and the new act i would wait until open beta anyways,
because you all can start at the same point (no stash).
Save gaming: kill esport
Butcherski
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland446 Posts
January 17 2013 06:17 GMT
#3187
I wish i never played D3 before playing PoE

The gameplay and character control is so terrible in comparison that i cant get myself to play more than a few levels in Seems to me the only way avoid those flaws is to use spells that dont require any clicking on enemies like sweep or some totems.
"Well Tasteless, i once met a three-toed sloth with good marauder control " - Artosis
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
January 17 2013 06:25 GMT
#3188
On January 17 2013 15:17 Butcherski wrote:
I wish i never played D3 before playing PoE

The gameplay and character control is so terrible in comparison that i cant get myself to play more than a few levels in Seems to me the only way avoid those flaws is to use spells that dont require any clicking on enemies like sweep or some totems.


I played D3 but I also played D2

PoE has a very similar feel to D2, so I'm not bothered by PoE not having animation canceling

I also played a Splinter PD WD when D3 was first released, and there was no animation canceling with Splinter so I guess I'm just used to it
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 06:35:03
January 17 2013 06:34 GMT
#3189
On January 17 2013 04:30 rebuffering wrote:
These guys really know what they are doing. Not sure if this has been posted yet, but found this video of Jonathan Rogers from GGG doing a talk on their game design and their theory's on itemization.



Zzz...

I will enjoy listening to him more if PoE is proven to be popular and successful.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 17 2013 06:39 GMT
#3190
On January 17 2013 14:55 skeldark wrote:
Yes. its a great game and it have replay value, up to a certain point.
Thats was my frist point. By making so long betas, and even call the release "open beta" they throw out their content so early that most people are done with the game already at release.
And the closed beta was not closed in any means...


That's what I mentioned many months ago lol. All the hardcore players who really likes the game are probably getting fatigue from it.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Yacobs
Profile Joined March 2010
United States846 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 14:59:29
January 17 2013 14:56 GMT
#3191
On January 17 2013 15:34 Sufficiency wrote:
I will enjoy listening to him more if PoE is proven to be popular and successful.


Uh, what do popularity and sales figures have to do with game quality? Why don't you, you know, use your brain to consider the man's points rather than deferring thought until the masses have made your decision for you?
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
January 17 2013 16:32 GMT
#3192
On January 17 2013 23:56 Yacobs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 15:34 Sufficiency wrote:
I will enjoy listening to him more if PoE is proven to be popular and successful.


Uh, what do popularity and sales figures have to do with game quality? Why don't you, you know, use your brain to consider the man's points rather than deferring thought until the masses have made your decision for you?


Yeah I didn't really get that response either.

I've avoided playing as much as possible until Open Beta hits, partly because I knew I would get burned out on two acts and temporary characters if I played PoE as much as I played D2 back in the day. Once the reset happens, I'll be good to go, and relatively fresh because I never leveled a character past level 35 or so yet.

And I have to agree with GGG in that video...feeling the impact of items and abilities is one of the best features of PoE and is what made D2 last so long and be so successful. A pre-Windforce and post-Windforce Bow Amazon in D2 were two completely different animals, and at least pre-LoD you could get a similar experience from finding well modded rares. There is nothing quite like getting lucky and finding a good rare.

I played a lot of WoW too, and it definitely didn't have that kind of itemization, outside of most legendaries/some epic weapons and a variety of trinkets, but even unique trinkets started to disappear after Vanilla.

He was also spot on about "abuse" of in-game features not really being a problem in a PvE setting. Obviously if something is inherently broken it may have a negative impact on race events and PvP, but they seem to believe that people who go the extra mile to design an interesting character that bends some of the game mechanics should be rewarded for their creativity, and that makes sense to me.

PoE's biggest weakness right now is obviously the mechanical issues with desync and whatnot. Hopefully they can get that fixed, because the core of the game is immensely strong.
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
January 17 2013 18:36 GMT
#3193
On January 18 2013 01:32 ZasZ. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 23:56 Yacobs wrote:
On January 17 2013 15:34 Sufficiency wrote:
I will enjoy listening to him more if PoE is proven to be popular and successful.


Uh, what do popularity and sales figures have to do with game quality? Why don't you, you know, use your brain to consider the man's points rather than deferring thought until the masses have made your decision for you?


Yeah I didn't really get that response either.

I've avoided playing as much as possible until Open Beta hits, partly because I knew I would get burned out on two acts and temporary characters if I played PoE as much as I played D2 back in the day. Once the reset happens, I'll be good to go, and relatively fresh because I never leveled a character past level 35 or so yet.

And I have to agree with GGG in that video...feeling the impact of items and abilities is one of the best features of PoE and is what made D2 last so long and be so successful. A pre-Windforce and post-Windforce Bow Amazon in D2 were two completely different animals, and at least pre-LoD you could get a similar experience from finding well modded rares. There is nothing quite like getting lucky and finding a good rare.

I played a lot of WoW too, and it definitely didn't have that kind of itemization, outside of most legendaries/some epic weapons and a variety of trinkets, but even unique trinkets started to disappear after Vanilla.

He was also spot on about "abuse" of in-game features not really being a problem in a PvE setting. Obviously if something is inherently broken it may have a negative impact on race events and PvP, but they seem to believe that people who go the extra mile to design an interesting character that bends some of the game mechanics should be rewarded for their creativity, and that makes sense to me.

PoE's biggest weakness right now is obviously the mechanical issues with desync and whatnot. Hopefully they can get that fixed, because the core of the game is immensely strong.



There comes a point where characters are just obscenely way too good though. CI for instance was way too effective, as was dual totem builds, and alot of other random shit (Chain + LMP + LA was way too good, you could just clear entire high level maps insanely fast). GGG has done a pretty good job at stopping most of it, but it's still an issue.
Obstikal
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
616 Posts
January 17 2013 18:59 GMT
#3194
Has GGG said anything about the desyncing issues ?
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
January 17 2013 19:38 GMT
#3195
On January 18 2013 03:59 Obstikal wrote:
Has GGG said anything about the desyncing issues ?



The alpha servers are alot better but that's because of lack of players. GGG will likely have desyncing issues just because of the massive number of players coming in.
T0F4sT
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands317 Posts
January 17 2013 20:02 GMT
#3196
On January 18 2013 04:38 superstartran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 03:59 Obstikal wrote:
Has GGG said anything about the desyncing issues ?



The alpha servers are alot better but that's because of lack of players. GGG will likely have desyncing issues just because of the massive number of players coming in.


yay even more desync when OB hits..
EGdoto #dealwithit
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
January 17 2013 21:52 GMT
#3197
Haha, Jay Wilson quit D3 :D
See what happens when you get a real competition? :D
Tennet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1458 Posts
January 17 2013 22:18 GMT
#3198
D3 seems to be trying to subtly copy PoE..and the game still sucks.
"The harder it gets, the more you need to focus on the basics." - Seo Gyung Jong
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
January 17 2013 22:25 GMT
#3199
On January 18 2013 05:02 T0F4sT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 04:38 superstartran wrote:
On January 18 2013 03:59 Obstikal wrote:
Has GGG said anything about the desyncing issues ?



The alpha servers are alot better but that's because of lack of players. GGG will likely have desyncing issues just because of the massive number of players coming in.


yay even more desync when OB hits..



It's really not their fault; they hardly expected more than a few hundred players to be on because of the hardcore nature of the game. They have a very limited budget, which is to be expected when the guys literally work 24/7 except on holidays. It's a very niche and hardcore game that doesn't have alot of public appeal. They didn't expect so many to people to start playing, especially after Kripparian started playing.
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
January 17 2013 22:33 GMT
#3200
On January 18 2013 06:52 -Archangel- wrote:
Haha, Jay Wilson quit D3 :D
See what happens when you get a real competition? :D


scary part is that he says he's going to start working on something else within Blizzard
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