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EchelonTee

United States5252 Posts

March 13 2018 18:02 GMT

#27961

On March 14 2018 01:15 Alur wrote:
The character I wanted to eventually do uber elder with died =(

That's probably it for me, might do something random for 24 challenges at most.

RIP

what got you?

Pwere

Canada1557 Posts

March 13 2018 18:51 GMT

#27962

People got used to leagues having many extra mobs, and it doesn't take much to tip the scale.

Assuming the default is a small deficit, say getting only 0.9 map on average, +20% mobs make the average go from a deficit to a juicy profit where mid-tier maps can be easily bought in bulk. Throw sextant nerf in there for maximum scarcity.

Either GGG fucked up in their simulation of how much Beasts would be contibuting, or they held back a common recipe like "create a rare map". Mirroring and creating 8 mod or unique maps seem almost as rare as beasts for dupes, and the 8mod beasts are used for creating 6L rares as well...

EchelonTee

United States5252 Posts

March 13 2018 19:30 GMT

#27963

unique map recipe also uses a beast for "add a suffix, remove a prefix". which is too valuable an effect to waste on a map

this ties into one of my biggest gripes about Bestiary. They made it so some beasts that are useful for very valuable things can be wasted on relatively useless crap. For example, Mirroring a Map (a very powerful recipe) requires 2 Farric Goliaths. However Farric Goliaths can also be used on create a Unique Sceptre, which is far less useful on average.

If you don't know all the recipes already or have a spreadsheet handy, you can end up wasting them. I was pretty annoyed how after a week of play I realized I had wasted tons of beasts on random crap, because I didn't spend the time compiling information from datamines and making a spreadsheet.

I guess it rewards players who do research and put in the time, but it doesn't feel fun to have to restrict myself from freely using the leagues mechanics unless I do a bunch of homework.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

March 13 2018 19:32 GMT

#27964

I'm actually kinda paralyzed on ever using any beastcrafts because the recipe system is so opaque and I don't want to use up beasts that I need for the tiny fraction of actual good recipes out there.

Doesn't really help that i've not found any actual good beasts (0 for the boss fights, only corrupt to 30% for good recipes, etc)

EchelonTee

United States5252 Posts

March 13 2018 19:36 GMT

#27965

exactly sn0. I actually wasted one of the beast portal guys =/ they don't have a particularly stand out name. The important part is usually their named portion (Saqawine Rhex), but the part that is highlighted and in red is their affix (Tiger Prey, Crushing Claws, etc)

Alur

Denmark3900 Posts

March 13 2018 20:07 GMT

#27966

On March 14 2018 03:02 EchelonTee wrote:

Show nested quote +

RIP

what got you?

Core malachai slam with damage mods. Overestimated my mitigation, or maybe I didn't have everything up at the time. Stupid either way.

Unrelated question: How best to scale lightpoacher damage? Generic increased damage and generic flat damage?

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

March 13 2018 20:09 GMT

#27967

On March 14 2018 05:07 Alur wrote:

Show nested quote +

It's physical spell projectile damage right so same as EK etc afaik

E: hmmm wiki doesn't actually say its a spell. I could test with the one i have in standard somewhere I guess in a few hours if still not sure, but I thought it worked with spell stuff. Regardless, it certainly works with projectile and physical stuff.

TheTenthDoc

United States9561 Posts

March 13 2018 20:38 GMT

#27968

It also doesn't help that you can't "flag" recipes you actually care about, so once you discover a good recipe bar memorizing which beasts (of the hundreds? thousands? of possible combinations) enable it is the only way to know "hey, now I can make another unique map."

And then you can catch too many beasts and overwrite them...

It's remembering which essences upgrade into super essences x 1000

-Archangel-

Croatia7457 Posts

March 13 2018 20:55 GMT

#27969

Just do like I do, ignore league mechanics :D

Lachrymose

Australia1928 Posts

March 13 2018 22:02 GMT

#27970

On March 14 2018 05:38 TheTenthDoc wrote:
It also doesn't help that you can't "flag" recipes you actually care about, so once you discover a good recipe bar memorizing which beasts (of the hundreds? thousands? of possible combinations) enable it is the only way to know "hey, now I can make another unique map."

And then you can catch too many beasts and overwrite them...

It's remembering which essences upgrade into super essences x 1000

I'll take "the purple ones" over this any day.

EchelonTee

United States5252 Posts

March 13 2018 22:55 GMT

#27971

I took a resource compiling Bestiary recipes, and added a cheat sheet:

Bestiary Recipe Cheat Sheet

Basically made a list of beasts that are useful in valuable recipes, and which recipes you should avoid. Should help in deciding what beasts to buy and sell.

The thing that I'm not sure about is whether or not rolling rares will be good with the upcoming change. It'll sorta be like chaos rolling, slower but with some guaranteed mods. Might be worth keeping certain mobs for that.

bo1b

Australia12814 Posts

March 14 2018 01:53 GMT

#27972

Rip alur.

Idk why people are having problems tbh I had no difficulty making money :\

r.Evo

Germany14080 Posts

March 14 2018 03:20 GMT

#27973

For a league that feels in parts inspired by Monster Hunter World not having such a feature is really annoying. Mark a couple recipes you want as important, highlight Beasts that you need for them on your minimap, solved.

EchelonTee

United States5252 Posts

March 14 2018 05:00 GMT

#27974

On March 14 2018 10:53 bo1b wrote:
Rip alur.

Idk why people are having problems tbh I had no difficulty making money :\

i think the currency / drops is a tad lass than previous leagues due to the reasons everyone has been parroting (no loot pinata league mechanic), but it's not that significant.

if you play a lot in with any strategy (higher tier mapping, lab, bossing, MFing) you will make money. if it's a bit worse than before you should still be making money unless there is a lot of mistakes happening

people posting that they have 157/157 atlas and can't sustain, or losing 300c after days of mapping is hyperbole IMO

bo1b

Australia12814 Posts

March 14 2018 07:16 GMT

#27975

In case you need more motivation to go the strongest skill in the game (solar guard ofc)

EchelonTee

United States5252 Posts

March 14 2018 07:40 GMT

#27976

I was with you until he started dying over and over

solar guard damage better than I thought tho, maybe I don't need tukohama's

bo1b

Australia12814 Posts

March 14 2018 07:56 GMT

#27977

That's his fault for sucking tbh, should have gone bones of ullr and got better rolls on gear. This is a fight where vanguards might not be as good, if only because of the add phase.

-Archangel-

Croatia7457 Posts

March 14 2018 09:17 GMT

#27978

The video of a bow Deadeye killing uber elder with 5100 life and not dying once was more impressive

r.Evo

Germany14080 Posts

March 14 2018 10:32 GMT

#27979

On March 14 2018 18:17 -Archangel- wrote:
The video of a bow Deadeye killing uber elder with 5100 life and not dying once was more impressive

I'm sure it was a complete coincidence that his XP was at 0% when he started that fight.

EchelonTee

United States5252 Posts

March 15 2018 02:51 GMT

#27980

anyone done a Trypanon + Marylene's Fallacy build before? is it any good?

Kinda want to do a build with a league specific unique (since they're fairly common atm), it looks like it might have potential with abyss jewels and such