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On July 10 2011 06:09 sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 04:26 Mordiford wrote:On July 10 2011 04:18 Woony wrote:On July 10 2011 04:10 Mordiford wrote:
I'm not really a big fan of competitive League of Legends, great game to play for fun, but watching it competitively is quite dull to me. I'd prefer Heroes of Newerth or DotA as a spectator but obviously both of those have much lower player bases, particularly in the west.
League of Legends sort of falls into the same vein as Call of Duty: Black Ops for me, I see it has a huge player-base but it just doesn't seem competitively refined or make for a good eSport.
I've started to like competitive Halo: Reach though, I first gave it a look at Dallas and it was quite sick. League of Legends and Black Ops, not so much. I played Dota for ages and HoN in beta and while I agree that LoL is currently lacking some things, both in the client/infastructure and gamedesign (too passive at the moment), Riot is working on it (even tho quite slow sometimes...) and LoL definately has the potential to be a valid E-sport title. This, of course neglecting the fact that no matter how good or bad LoL as a game is, it would be stupid to not add LoL in MLGs position with the amount of viewers it pulls. On July 10 2011 04:15 PassiveAce wrote:
I think the biggest issue with LoL as a spectator sport is that not only does the spectator need to understand the abilities of A LOT of characters to understand what is going on, but teamfights are just downright confusing and hard to follow, even for players sometimes.
-Edit, obviously i dont mean pro players, but newbies can have trouble keeping up with the action of teamfights when playing. Does it matter if so many people watch it? A viewer is a viewer, who cares if he plays the game or not. Oh, don't get me wrong, I absolutely understand it from a business perspective, but I just mentioned why I'm personally not very excited about it, or interested in it. In comparison, while NASL's decision to pick up HoN for Season 2 might not have been as productive business-wise, I was more interested in that. I'll still likely be watching MLG for Halo and Starcraft 2, too bad that they pulled Tekken 6, otherwise I'd be watching that as well. NASL is picking up HON for season 2? never heard that where'd you get that?
They announced it yesterday and once again today at the NASL Finals, on stream.
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League of Legends has a massive playerbase and is fun to play (I have like 2000 games lol) but isn't a solid competitive title and really isn't that great to watch.
That being said it pulls numbers and brings attention so who can blame them.
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On July 10 2011 03:32 r33k wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 03:30 EtherealDeath wrote:On July 10 2011 03:28 r33k wrote:
So... It looks like I'm coming to Raleigh. From Italy? I went to columbus this june. It was cheaper than going to sweden for dreamhack no shit.
wait what?
explain plz
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League of legends is a pretty talentless game not going to lie lol.
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To be honest I'm glad that they're widening the scene for video games in E-sports like with different genres (RTS, FPS, etc). I love LoL but I think I'll be watching starcraft 2 instead  .
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Played LoL for 10 minutes.
Then I deleted the game.
It's such a insult to DOTA.
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On July 10 2011 06:54 Greatness wrote:
Played LoL for 10 minutes.
Then I deleted the game.
It's such a insult to DOTA.
Yeah, I'm sure you got an adequate impression of the game in 10 minutes. Don't be an imbecilic fanboy.
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On July 10 2011 06:54 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 06:54 Greatness wrote:
Played LoL for 10 minutes.
Then I deleted the game.
It's such a insult to DOTA. Yeah, I'm sure you got an adequate impression of the game in 10 minutes. Don't be an imbecilic fanboy.
It's like comparing BNET of WC3 to SC2, ie Dota to LoL, less features=what's the point?
I've played HoN when it was in Beta I believe, it was fanastic after the first 5 minutes because it represented was Dota was all about, graphics, gameplay, and denying creeps.
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On July 10 2011 06:54 Greatness wrote:
Played LoL for 10 minutes.
Then I deleted the game.
It's such a insult to DOTA.
Millions of people seem to enjoy insulting DOTA then, herp.
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On July 10 2011 06:57 Senx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 06:54 Greatness wrote:
Played LoL for 10 minutes.
Then I deleted the game.
It's such a insult to DOTA. Millions of people seem to enjoy insulting DOTA then, herp.
Yup, those are the same people who play Modern Warfare.
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On July 10 2011 06:57 Greatness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 06:54 Mordiford wrote:On July 10 2011 06:54 Greatness wrote:
Played LoL for 10 minutes.
Then I deleted the game.
It's such a insult to DOTA. Yeah, I'm sure you got an adequate impression of the game in 10 minutes. Don't be an imbecilic fanboy. It's like comparing BNET of WC3 to SC2, ie Dota to LoL, less features=what's the point? I've played HoN when it was in Beta I believe, it was fanastic after the first 5 minutes because it represented was Dota was all about, graphics, gameplay, and denying creeps.
So your judgement is based on, "I played X game, but it wasn't like Y game so it was garbage". League of Legends really isn't trying to be DotA anymore, it even takes potshots at DotA when it can, which I find quite insulting considering it used DotA's success to gain early recognition.
Regardless, playing a game for 10 minutes and judging it as garbage because it's not like DotA is blatant fanboyism.
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Lmao I knew this was going to devolve into a LoL bashfest, get over it. It is casual, thats how it grows, just like SC2 is a casual version of SCBW so is LoL of Dota, both are easier and attract more viewers, which is good for E-sports.
I don't see why everyone has a problem with this lol.
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On July 10 2011 07:00 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 06:57 Greatness wrote:On July 10 2011 06:54 Mordiford wrote:On July 10 2011 06:54 Greatness wrote:
Played LoL for 10 minutes.
Then I deleted the game.
It's such a insult to DOTA. Yeah, I'm sure you got an adequate impression of the game in 10 minutes. Don't be an imbecilic fanboy. It's like comparing BNET of WC3 to SC2, ie Dota to LoL, less features=what's the point? I've played HoN when it was in Beta I believe, it was fanastic after the first 5 minutes because it represented was Dota was all about, graphics, gameplay, and denying creeps. So your judgement is based on, "I played X game, but it wasn't like Y game so it was garbage". League of Legends really isn't trying to be DotA anymore, it even takes potshots at DotA when it can, which I find quite insulting considering it used DotA's success to gain early recognition. Regardless, playing a game for 10 minutes and judging it as garbage because it's not like DotA is blatant fanboyism.
Instead of calling me a fanboy, convince me otherwise. The game has bad graphics and I didn't like the gameplay because it brought nothing new to the table.
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Business are business. Who cares that the game is a completely crappy dota port for ubber noobs who lack the skill to play dota/hon; that's is the game strenght: Atract unskilled people with a really fun game and also make them feel skilled/happy. And they get a ton of gamers/viewers/customers with it.
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On July 10 2011 07:02 Kipsate wrote:
Lmao I knew this was going to devolve into a LoL bashfest, get over it. It is casual, thats how it grows, just like SC2 is a casual version of SCBW so is LoL of Dota, both are easier and attract more viewers, which is good for E-sports.
I don't see why everyone has a problem with this lol.
How is Sc2 for casual players? Developers said themselves, the technology in SC2, would've been in sc1 if the knowledge for it, was there back then. SC2 is just as difficult to play if not harder then BW because people still have the same APM from BW, except now they can do more, can you think of any crazy micro to use that APM with? I can, people aren't using it yet.
For LoL, it is dumbed down, they took out denying creeps, what's the point then? you just hit each other and snipe the creeps for gold, they took out a major aspect of the game.
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On July 10 2011 07:02 Greatness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 07:00 Mordiford wrote:On July 10 2011 06:57 Greatness wrote:On July 10 2011 06:54 Mordiford wrote:On July 10 2011 06:54 Greatness wrote:
Played LoL for 10 minutes.
Then I deleted the game.
It's such a insult to DOTA. Yeah, I'm sure you got an adequate impression of the game in 10 minutes. Don't be an imbecilic fanboy. It's like comparing BNET of WC3 to SC2, ie Dota to LoL, less features=what's the point? I've played HoN when it was in Beta I believe, it was fanastic after the first 5 minutes because it represented was Dota was all about, graphics, gameplay, and denying creeps. So your judgement is based on, "I played X game, but it wasn't like Y game so it was garbage". League of Legends really isn't trying to be DotA anymore, it even takes potshots at DotA when it can, which I find quite insulting considering it used DotA's success to gain early recognition. Regardless, playing a game for 10 minutes and judging it as garbage because it's not like DotA is blatant fanboyism. Instead of calling me a fanboy, convince me otherwise. The game has bad graphics and I didn't like the gameplay because it brought nothing new to the table.
You haven't convinced me of anything either, you merely stated you played for 10 minutes which is ridiculous to base a judgement on, that's not even one complete match for crying out loud.
If I showed someone DotA and asked them to play for 10 minutes, they wouldn't understand what the fuck was happening and show no interest in the game.
If you go in looking for DotA, you'll be disappointed, it's not DotA and it isn't trying to be anymore.
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On July 10 2011 06:59 Greatness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 06:57 Senx wrote:On July 10 2011 06:54 Greatness wrote:
Played LoL for 10 minutes.
Then I deleted the game.
It's such a insult to DOTA. Millions of people seem to enjoy insulting DOTA then, herp. Yup, those are the same people who play Modern Warfare.
Well considering that COD series has one of the largest playerbases in the entire gaming industry after WoW I dont think its weird that if you play one game you also happen to play another game.
Very few people stick to just 1 game throughout their gaming carrer and then goes on a forum all bitter about their competition getting more attention than their first love.
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On July 10 2011 04:54 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 04:51 Talin wrote:So much for my hopes and dreams of MLG eventually becoming a Starcraft-only event once CoD and Halo fade into obscurity.  MLG was essentially founded on Halo, and Halo is actually a pretty good game competitively from what I've seen so far.
Sorry just have to say it may have been ok when it was Halo 3 but in Reach the bloom effect makes the gun fights just RNG and makes you either win by spamming and getting lucky over the guy who fired perfectly or the spammer losing the fight. Dont see how that adds any competetive elements to the game :/
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Oh no :-( I had really hoped after the 4th of July stuff that they'd be adding Quake...yet once again this freetoplay casual trash gets played over real competitive games because of the viewer numbers
Hopefully the hordes of LoL tards move over to DotA2 so we can at least have a competitive game.
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On July 10 2011 07:08 Shagg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 04:54 Mordiford wrote:On July 10 2011 04:51 Talin wrote:So much for my hopes and dreams of MLG eventually becoming a Starcraft-only event once CoD and Halo fade into obscurity. MLG was essentially founded on Halo, and Halo is actually a pretty good game competitively from what I've seen so far. Sorry just have to say it may have been ok when it was Halo 3 but in Reach the bloom effect makes the gun fights just RNG and makes you either win by spamming and getting lucky over the guy who fired perfectly or the spammer losing the fight. Dont see how that adds any competetive elements to the game :/
I didn't know that, interesting. I was just basing my judgements on the level of play I'd seen, if what you say is true, then I guess it adds some luck factor to the game which isn't good but some of the stuff I've seen those players do is still quite sick, particularly in regards to how they work together. I still enjoy it as a spectator.
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