On May 06 2011 03:04 ahole-surprise wrote: Ron artest is a classless punk, going after the smallest guy on the court. He essentially ran away from Ben Wallace during the Detroit brawl many years ago. I hope the worst for him.
Really dude, you expected Ron Artest to start a fight with someone on the court?
You seem to forget that he just didn't want any trouble until some dipshit entitled fan threw beer on him.
He has taken countless cheapshots over the years and almost always run away. He also embarrasses the black community by being the self proclaimed best representation of black americans in the nba.
On May 06 2011 03:04 ahole-surprise wrote: Ron artest is a classless punk, going after the smallest guy on the court. He essentially ran away from Ben Wallace during the Detroit brawl many years ago. I hope the worst for him.
he's a great guy and a big philanthropist.. i understand not respecting his actions in a basketball game, but to wish the worst for him is a big of an overreaction.
Also a convicted woman beater and animal abuser...
he's struggled with mental illness and has atoned for his actions. he's done way more good than bad.
I'd agree that he is not a bad person irl. but he certainly is on the court - and always was (good times in indiana). and I feel like we don't have to discuss his suspension for game three. it was more that justified.
Kobe should be able to keep check of his own teammates, losing Artest is a big deal, i am sorry to say but Jordan would never allow Rodman to do stupid shit on court like that. He can and did do stupid shit outside the court (Rodman) but inside he was forced to be proffesional.
I hope they and especially Kobe gave Artest a talking
On May 06 2011 22:08 Tyree wrote: Kobe should be able to keep check of his own teammates, losing Artest is a big deal, i am sorry to say but Jordan would never allow Rodman to do stupid shit on court like that. He can and did do stupid shit outside the court (Rodman) but inside he was forced to be proffesional.
I hope they and especially Kobe gave Artest a talking
On May 06 2011 16:43 igotmyown wrote: I was listening to a Bill Simmons Henry Abbot cast, and they brought up one of the most interesting topics I've ever heard of in the nba.
When they're shooting nba commercials or showing the players walking through the tunnels to the game, the players are not allowed to wear jewelry. Why? Because it gives players a "bad image" and makes them harder to market.
Now the kneejerk internet reaction is, that's stupid, people should be able to do what they want, people are crying wolf about racism.
But, according to them, the nba has done market research and has found that bling, and probably other "street" icons, are less marketable to the public.
The next reaction, who cares, let players do what they want. But then again, if I were commissioner and someone said, if they don't wear jewelry we'll gets hundreds of millions of dollars in more revenue, heck yeah I'm doing that.
And finally, I wonder if instinctively it's true, are "clean" players more marketable? Well Kobe before Colorado had one of the cleanest images, Kevin Durant seems like a bible carrying tattooless super nice/polite hard working guy, Dwight Howard is a tattooless born again mama's boy, honestly they're (or their images are) very hard not to like.
Young stars like Blake Griffin and Derrick Rose, think how hard they are to hate. They're young, exciting, work hard, and have no discernible baggage.
Thoughts? Is it right/smart to do this?
Regarding image? Tiga tiga woods y'all (no longer applies, lol)!
Not only that, but Howard fathered a kid with some Magic cheerleader, and only claimed the kid after a paternity test. This is the same guy who clamored for the NBA to add a cross to the league logo. I don't give a shit about "Christian" values, but I have to laugh at Howard's hypocrisy.
As for Rose - have people forgotten about his transcript fraud in Memphis? Yeah...
Their images might fool the average consumer (which is what the NBA is aiming for), but people who even bother to dig slightly deeper will find out the truth, and thus hate these guys even more. I think it's a very delicate line - if these once "clean" images suddenly fall to earth, the disillusionment will only grow. I'm not bothered as much about LeBron's megalomania - at least the guy isn't a dishonest hypocrite.
At the end of the day, it's not so much about having a need for these clean images as it is about having a need for certain images for people to hate. LeBron and the Heat have become that image, and the NBA is loving every minute of it. Iverson was that image in the early years of the millenium, then the Pistons claimed that image with the huge brawl, Kobe's rape trial, and everything else - and finally, LeBron stepped up with his "decision." The NBA needs controversy (despite Stern's adamant promulgations otherwise) to stay relevant in today's age of 3 second attention spans. I honestly don't think anyone really cares about Rose or Durant specifically - the media will just find some other clean "act" as a counterpoint. The marketability comes from these two images "clashing," with some help from the media pushing said agenda - not from "clean" players being inherently more marketable.
Of course, different demographics are attracted to different things. Some love the pure competition between superpowers and rivals (Lakers/Celtics), some love the transcendent skill of certain players like Jordan during his prime, many of the younger generation love the bling bling bad boy image of guys like Iverson, and I'm sure the rest (namely, middle white America) love the "clean" shit. I'm just not sure how large that last demographic is anymore. Of course, I'd trust extensive market research more than my own intuition...so, this is all just my opinion.
I just listened to the podcast - Simmons with his Heat bashing is hilarious. It's becoming redundant, and constantly rehashing the Heat's pre-season celebration - which was done purely for the fans in Miami btw - have people forgotten about Shaq's arrival back in '04, which was arguably even more ostentatious?
On May 06 2011 22:08 Tyree wrote: Kobe should be able to keep check of his own teammates, losing Artest is a big deal, i am sorry to say but Jordan would never allow Rodman to do stupid shit on court like that. He can and did do stupid shit outside the court (Rodman) but inside he was forced to be proffesional.
I hope they and especially Kobe gave Artest a talking
I loved rodman doing that as shaq at that point in the nba was bullying everyone else in the post. Hard foul on the strongest player in the league=/= artest slapping the smallest player on the court out of frustration.
And i love how that is labeled a fight. Plus shaq has been known as picking fights throughout his career.
On May 06 2011 03:04 ahole-surprise wrote: Ron artest is a classless punk, going after the smallest guy on the court. He essentially ran away from Ben Wallace during the Detroit brawl many years ago. I hope the worst for him.
he's a great guy and a big philanthropist.. i understand not respecting his actions in a basketball game, but to wish the worst for him is a big of an overreaction.
Also a convicted woman beater and animal abuser...
he's struggled with mental illness and has atoned for his actions. he's done way more good than bad.
He's done some philantropy, some of it to get out of further trouble, but i would never say he is a "great guy". Some of the enron guys were big philantropers doesn't make them great.
On May 06 2011 16:43 igotmyown wrote: I was listening to a Bill Simmons Henry Abbot cast, and they brought up one of the most interesting topics I've ever heard of in the nba.
When they're shooting nba commercials or showing the players walking through the tunnels to the game, the players are not allowed to wear jewelry. Why? Because it gives players a "bad image" and makes them harder to market.
Now the kneejerk internet reaction is, that's stupid, people should be able to do what they want, people are crying wolf about racism.
But, according to them, the nba has done market research and has found that bling, and probably other "street" icons, are less marketable to the public.
The next reaction, who cares, let players do what they want. But then again, if I were commissioner and someone said, if they don't wear jewelry we'll gets hundreds of millions of dollars in more revenue, heck yeah I'm doing that.
And finally, I wonder if instinctively it's true, are "clean" players more marketable? Well Kobe before Colorado had one of the cleanest images, Kevin Durant seems like a bible carrying tattooless super nice/polite hard working guy, Dwight Howard is a tattooless born again mama's boy, honestly they're (or their images are) very hard not to like.
Young stars like Blake Griffin and Derrick Rose, think how hard they are to hate. They're young, exciting, work hard, and have no discernible baggage.
Thoughts? Is it right/smart to do this?
Regarding image? Tiga tiga woods y'all (no longer applies, lol)!
Not only that, but Howard fathered a kid with some Magic cheerleader, and only claimed the kid after a paternity test. This is the same guy who clamored for the NBA to add a cross to the league logo. I don't give a shit about "Christian" values, but I have to laugh at Howard's hypocrisy.
As for Rose - have people forgotten about his transcript fraud in Memphis? Yeah...
Their images might fool the average consumer (which is what the NBA is aiming for), but people who even bother to dig slightly deeper will find out the truth, and thus hate these guys even more. I think it's a very delicate line - if these once "clean" images suddenly fall to earth, the disillusionment will only grow. I'm not bothered as much about LeBron's megalomania - at least the guy isn't a dishonest hypocrite.
At the end of the day, it's not so much about having a need for these clean images as it is about having a need for certain images for people to hate. LeBron and the Heat have become that image, and the NBA is loving every minute of it. Iverson was that image in the early years of the millenium, then the Pistons claimed that image with the huge brawl, Kobe's rape trial, and everything else - and finally, LeBron stepped up with his "decision." The NBA needs controversy (despite Stern's adamant promulgations otherwise) to stay relevant in today's age of 3 second attention spans. I honestly don't think anyone really cares about Rose or Durant specifically - the media will just find some other clean "act" as a counterpoint. The marketability comes from these two images "clashing," with some help from the media pushing said agenda - not from "clean" players being inherently more marketable.
Of course, different demographics are attracted to different things. Some love the pure competition between superpowers and rivals (Lakers/Celtics), some love the transcendent skill of certain players like Jordan during his prime, many of the younger generation love the bling bling bad boy image of guys like Iverson, and I'm sure the rest (namely, middle white America) love the "clean" shit. I'm just not sure how large that last demographic is anymore. Of course, I'd trust extensive market research more than my own intuition...so, this is all just my opinion.
I just listened to the podcast - Simmons with his Heat bashing is hilarious. It's becoming redundant, and constantly rehashing the Heat's pre-season celebration - which was done purely for the fans in Miami btw - have people forgotten about Shaq's arrival back in '04, which was arguably even more ostentatious?
I agree with most of that but I personally hate lebron for shitting all over his homestate even prior to his leaving. That and him wanting to be Jordan but having so much quit in him.
On May 06 2011 22:08 Tyree wrote: Kobe should be able to keep check of his own teammates, losing Artest is a big deal, i am sorry to say but Jordan would never allow Rodman to do stupid shit on court like that. He can and did do stupid shit outside the court (Rodman) but inside he was forced to be proffesional.
I hope they and especially Kobe gave Artest a talking
dude, rodman kicked a cameraman when he fell into him on the ground. rodman was always instigating fights with players as well.
On May 06 2011 22:08 Tyree wrote: Kobe should be able to keep check of his own teammates, losing Artest is a big deal, i am sorry to say but Jordan would never allow Rodman to do stupid shit on court like that. He can and did do stupid shit outside the court (Rodman) but inside he was forced to be proffesional.
I hope they and especially Kobe gave Artest a talking
lol, do you know how much crazy stuff Rodman did during those Bulls years?
This is more like the regular season Bulls... if this is how they're gonna play for the remaining games of the series, I'm calling a 4-1 victory for Chicago
On May 06 2011 03:04 ahole-surprise wrote: Ron artest is a classless punk, going after the smallest guy on the court. He essentially ran away from Ben Wallace during the Detroit brawl many years ago. I hope the worst for him.
he's a great guy and a big philanthropist.. i understand not respecting his actions in a basketball game, but to wish the worst for him is a big of an overreaction.
Also a convicted woman beater and animal abuser...
he's struggled with mental illness and has atoned for his actions. he's done way more good than bad.
He's done some philantropy, some of it to get out of further trouble, but i would never say he is a "great guy". Some of the enron guys were big philantropers doesn't make them great.
it makes absolutely no sense to compare ron artest with enron. corporate fraud and putting a grip of people of out jobs is not on the same scale as not feeding a dog enough food.
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