Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup - Page 63

Dienosore

Brunei Darussalam622 Posts

November 15 2012 18:02 GMT

#1241

"upgrading fungi uses piety, plants uses fruit"

got it, thanks

another question now... how much of a piety drop is it when these walking mushrooms die?

crate

United States2474 Posts

November 15 2012 18:17 GMT

#1242

Don't worry about your fedhas piety. It doesn't decay over time, and you don't have a ton of reason to keep it high either since it does nothing past 5* level.

Think of mushrooms dying as being like piety decay over time ... it's probably a similar amount of piety loss (or less).

Dienosore

Brunei Darussalam622 Posts

November 15 2012 19:27 GMT

#1243

See the problem is, I have this Human Gladiator who isn't very strong. I havn't found any good items, so I'm surviving on a blowgun, nets, and these mushrooms. I'm going through mushrooms pretty fast, considering anything like an ogre/unique/centaur can blow them up in 1 shot. Should I just toughen up and use less mushrooms or what?

crate

United States2474 Posts

November 15 2012 20:52 GMT

#1244

I assume your hugl started with a weapon (hopefully trident, falchion, or qstaff) ... try hitting things with it? As long as you are standing next to your mushrooms then enemies will attack you instead of your mushrooms most of the time, and you should be able to take a single hit from an ogre no problem (and the ogre is simultaneously standing next to some mushrooms and they have 20 damage confusion melee). If you get hurt enough that you are then in danger of dying on the next hit, swap places with a mushroom so you're no longer in danger.

Centaurs will kill mushrooms, yes ... this is just what enemies with strong ranged combat do to things that don't move.

Cel.erity

United States4890 Posts

November 16 2012 02:11 GMT

#1245

Try getting 3 mushrooms and positioning yourself so that 2 mushrooms are next to you and 1 is behind you, that way you can always retreat through a mushroom wall if you're taking too much damage.

Also, you get a lot of mushroom hp from Invocations, so maybe you're not putting enough points into that. 6-10 should be fine to survive 3 hits from most things.

BountyHunterSAx

2 Posts

November 21 2012 16:54 GMT

#1246

@Misder:

"Are there any won tutorial games from any player?"

Hey! I'm the aforementioned "BountyHunterSAx" from Crawl Tavern. I do dungeon crawl vids on my youtube channel - one each weekend with some extras here and there. My schtick when I do these Let's Plays is to explain my logic and reasoning for playing the way I do and the decision-making process for how I play.

Of course, I'm not always as careful as I should be, and the vast majority of my deaths come from that sort of carelessness. I don't believe in only posting successes, so you get a sense for just what my talent is/isn't. Suffice it to say, when I use more powerful combinations I generally at least get through the Lair provided I'm not playing super carelessly.

I've got 9 wins at this point. In particular my first ever Felid Summoner "Cat of Nine Tails Run", (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN8vJzcK0VY ) won the game with a full 20+ part recording series. It's a very easy to play, easy to run build with a lot of forgiveness since cats get extra lives.

Also, I run the entire extended endgame with Shinegami (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkzpGavm3917KNvjT-6EreuYcQwGsMiwa) starting off at having cleared out Zot:5 with 5 runes and then proceeding to get the rest.

Most useful to a starting player though would be my "How to start a Spriggan Wizard" video. Unfortunately, this is one of the very first videos I ever made for crawl back before my first win. My knowledge and skills have improved vastly since then. So while it wil reliably get you to the Lair and in good shape, I can't strongly recommend it anymore.

Enjoy! Please feel free to subscribe. And recognize: Crate is definitely a better player than I am; so I'd take his word for it over mine if he's calling something tactically sound.

-AHMAD

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

November 25 2012 09:50 GMT

#1247

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Okay, so I've started incorporating spellcasting into a melee character and I like how it's been going. On this DDFi I found a vampiric trident on D2, and have been worshipping Ashenzari and stabbing my way through the game (I figured out how the cookbook works). This is basically going to be a 3-rune run since everything is the extended lategame isn't subject to weapon vampiricism. I'm at 2/3 runes and the 3rd one is on Swamp:5, but Mara lurks on Swamp:4. The thing is, Mara has a vampiric demon trident and I really want it. I spent a couple hours trying to kill Mara but as a character with kinda poor damage output, no conjurations, etc I always fail to tag her before she can get away. Even worse, Mara isn't subject to weapon vampiricism so I have to keep on going and hitting other things to heal up between attempts.

I asked for some help in ##crawl and someone suggested with my 19 earth magic I could learn Iron Bolt and LRD and try to faceroll Mara with conjurations. I've been able to mitigate the dangerousness of my "ghosts" that Mara makes by wielding a bread and swapping back to a weapon, but once they know conjurations things will get much more dangerous. Thing is, after a couple hours trying to kill Mara over and over again just to see her teleport away or me have to back off and heal, I'm beginning to think that this is one of those decisions I'll look back on as an unforced error that could lose me a winning game.

In any case, guys, do you think this character can run Zot as-is? I'll probably level up a bit clearing out swamp:5 and D20-27, but I'm basically stuck with the vampiric trident as a weapon. I want to just get the orb and get out, and if that can be done with the trident instead of a demon trident all's the better.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12-a0-1189-gf309621 (console) character file.

blazinghand the Tortoise (Deep Dwarf Fighter)      Turns: 69188, Time: 07:15:24

HP  55/216 (218) AC 38     Str 20      XL: 20   Next: 64%
MP  15/30        EV 23     Int 17      God: Ashenzari [******]
Gold 3354        SH 33     Dex 14      Spells: 12 memorised,  3 levels left

Res.Fire  : + + +   See Invis. : +   n - +7,+4 trident (vamp) {!w}
Res.Cold  : + . .   Warding    : .   H - +3 fire dragon armour (curse)
Life Prot.: + + .   Conserve   : .   G - +5 shield of Resistance {rF+ rC+ MR}
Res.Poison: +       Res.Corr.  : .   E - +1 winged helmet (curse)
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : +   t - +2 cloak {rPois} (curse)
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   u - +0 pair of gauntlets (curse)
Res.Mut.  : +       Stasis     : .   b - +2 pair of boots {run} (curse)
Res.Rott. : .       Ctrl.Telep.: +   f - cursed amulet of resist mutation
Saprovore : . . .   Flight     : .   y - cursed ring of protection from cold
                                     Z - cursed ring "Lirch" {+Rage rN+ EV+3}

@: non-regenerating, stone skin, very slightly contaminated, very quick,
extraordinarily resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: damage resistance, recharge devices, life protection 1, sense surroundings 3,
+10% hp, slow healing 3, AC +1, Int +1
a: Device Recharging, Scrying, Transfer Knowledge, Renounce Religion, Evoke
Berserk Rage
}: 2/15 runes: decaying, silver


You are on level 3 of the Swamp.
You worship Ashenzari.
Ashenzari is exalted by your worship.
You are full.

You have visited 7 branches of the dungeon, and seen 46 of its levels.
You have also visited: Bailey and Volcano.

You have collected 6728 gold pieces.
You have spent 3394 gold pieces at shops.


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are resistant to damage.
You can recharge devices by infusing magical energy.
You resist negative energy.*
You passively map a large area around you.
You do not heal naturally.
You are partially covered in molten scales (AC +1).*
Your mind is acute (Int +1).
You are robust (+10% HP).


   Skills:
 - Level 17.2 Fighting
 - Level 4.2 Axes
 - Level 14.0 Polearms
 - Level 2.6 Throwing
 - Level 18.4(22.0) Armour
 - Level 16.1(20.0) Dodging
 - Level 12.5(15.1) Shields
 - Level 5.2 Traps
 * Level 8.7 Spellcasting
 - Level 5.5(10.0) Charms
 * Level 5.4(9.9) Summonings
 - Level 4.3(8.6) Necromancy
 - Level 8.0(12.4) Translocations
 - Level 6.5(11.0) Transmutations
 - Level 4.0(8.2) Air Magic
 - Level 15.0(19.0) Earth Magic


You have 3 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Animate Skeleton      Necr           N/A          1%          1    None
b - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ######....   1%          2    None
c - Swiftness             Chrm/Air       ######....   1%          2    None
d - Shroud of Golubria    Chrm/Tloc      ######....   1%          2    None
e - Stoneskin             Trmt/Erth      #######...   1%          2    None
f - Phase Shift           Tloc           ######....   3%          5    #####..
g - Apportation           Tloc           ######....   1%          1    None
h - Control Teleport      Chrm/Tloc      ######....   1%          4    ###....
i - Flight                Chrm/Air       ######....   1%          3    #......
j - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          1%          2    None
k - Statue Form           Trmt/Erth      #######...   8%          6    ######.
l - Abjuration            Summ           ######....   1%          3    #......

Well, I learned Iron shot, came back, and was rather predictably killed by my own illusion, even after killing it a couple times with abjuration. So it goes.

Salivanth

Australia1071 Posts

November 26 2012 07:19 GMT

#1248

Got my second win as a Centaur Hunter. Zot: 5 was MONSTROUS. I seriously at one point almost gave up, when I ran out of arrows. I nearly suicided myself going for the Orb, but decided to teleport out and see if I could salvage something, anything from the wreckage. Used my backup lajatang that had never been drawn in anger before Zot 5, expecting to die, and ended up killing some foes, collecting a bunch of my arrows from the floor and grabbing some Oka ammo gifts. Somehow, I managed to claw together a run to the Orb chamber: I'd actually killed almost anything, and my rush to the Orb appeared to have scattered the opposition, and I was able to get to the Orb. I almost died on the Orb run: Had 12 hp left at one stage while I was exiting Zot, which I hadn't cleared due to ammo shortages. Luckily, with the help of some power-wands, I survived that and the run was fairly easy from then on. Definitely clawed victory from the jaws of defeat in that one. Lesson learnt: Never give up.

Tarias

Netherlands480 Posts

November 26 2012 16:54 GMT

#1249

So after a few weeks of not being able to play I started a new run again, rolled with a random character and got a Draconian wizard, feels like I've been pretty lucky so far this run, things have been going smooth. I've now reached the point where I don't really know how to continue. Where should I be going, what items and spells should I be looking for? any tips would be welcome!

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.11.0 (tiles) character file.

Tarias the Eclecticist (Purple Draconian Wizard) Turns: 35044, Time: 02:47:30

HP 111/111 AC 12 Str 11 XL: 14 Next: 62%
MP 36/36 EV 12 Int 23 God: Vehumet [*****.]
Gold 1820 SH 11 Dex 10 Spells: 9 memorised, 14 levels left

Res.Fire : x x . See Invis. : . P - +2,+6 long sword "Imia" {elec, +Lev rC+}
Res.Cold : + + + Warding : . (armour unavailable)
Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . q - +1 dwarf buckler
Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : + b - +0 wizard hat
Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . (no cloak)
Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . E - +0 pair of orc gauntlets
Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . i - +2 pair of dwarf boots {run}
Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . z - amulet of resist corrosion
Saprovore : . . . Levitation : . p - ring of ice
Ctrl.Flight: + j - ring of ice

@: quick, quite resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: breathe power, unfitting armour, Str +1
a: Breathe Energy, Renounce Religion, Evoke Levitation

You are on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Vehumet.
Vehumet is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 24 of its levels.
You have also visited: Ossuary.

You have collected 2661 gold pieces.
You have spent 861 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
P - the +2,+6 long sword "Imia" (weapon) {elec, +Lev rC+}
(You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)

Occasionally, upon striking a foe, it will discharge some electrical energy
and cause terrible harm.

It protects you from cold.
It lets you levitate.
Armour
b - a +0 wizard hat (worn)
i - a +2 pair of dwarven boots of running (worn)
q - a +1 dwarven buckler (worn)
E - a +0 pair of orcish gauntlets (worn)
Magical devices
c - a wand of hasting {zapped: 2}
f - a wand of teleportation {zapped: 3}
h - a wand of fire
A - a wand of fire {zapped: 3}
K - a wand of digging {zapped: 5}
M - a wand of fireball {empty}
Comestibles
x - 3 meat rations
Scrolls
e - a scroll of magic mapping
g - 10 scrolls of teleportation
k - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon I
l - 2 scrolls of blinking
m - 2 scrolls of amnesia
r - 5 scrolls of remove curse
u - 4 scrolls of recharging
D - a scroll of identify
J - 4 scrolls of fear
L - 2 scrolls of fog
Jewellery
a - an uncursed ring of see invisible
j - a ring of ice (left hand)
n - an uncursed amulet of guardian spirit
p - a ring of ice (right hand)
z - an amulet of resist corrosion (around neck)
N - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
Potions
C - 8 potions of curing
G - a potion of invisibility
Q - 3 potions of heal wounds
Books
d - a book of Callings {god gift}

Spells Type Level
Summon Small Mammals Summoning 1
Call Imp Summoning 2
Call Canine Familiar Summoning 3
Summon Scorpions Summoning/Poison 4
Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summoning 4
o - a book of Power {god gift}

Spells Type Level
Iskenderun's Mystic Blast Conjuration 4
Venom Bolt Conjuration/Poison 5
Bolt of Magma Conjuration/Fire/Earth 5
Poisonous Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 6
Iron Shot Conjuration/Earth 6
Orb of Destruction Conjuration 7
s - a book of Fire

Spells Type Level
Fire Brand Charms/Fire 2
Ignite Poison Fire/Transmutation 5
Fireball Conjuration/Fire 5
Bolt of Fire Conjuration/Fire 6
Delayed Fireball Conjuration/Fire 7
Ring of Flames Charms/Fire 7
Dragon Form Transmutation 7
t - a book of Burglary

Spells Type Level
Apportation Translocation 1
Swiftness Charms/Air 2
Passwall Transmutation/Earth 3
Passage of Golubria Translocation 4
*Control Teleport Charms/Translocation 4
Lee's Rapid Deconstruction Earth 5
Darkness Hexes 7
v - a book of Geomancy

Spells Type Level
Sandblast Earth 1
Stoneskin Transmutation/Earth 2
Passwall Transmutation/Earth 3
*Stone Arrow Conjuration/Earth 3
Petrify Transmutation/Earth 4
Lee's Rapid Deconstruction Earth 5
w - a book of Minor Magic

Spells Type Level
*Magic Dart Conjuration 1
*Blink Translocation 2
Call Imp Summoning 2
*Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2
Slow Hexes 2
Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3
*Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3
F - a book of Conjurations {god gift}

Spells Type Level
*Magic Dart Conjuration 1
Throw Frost Conjuration/Ice 2
*Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3
*Lightning Bolt Conjuration/Air 5
*Bolt of Cold Conjuration/Ice 6
*Freezing Cloud Conjuration/Ice/Air 6
I - a book of the Dragon

Spells Type Level
Flight Charms/Air 3
Cause Fear Hexes 4
Bolt of Fire Conjuration/Fire 6
Dragon Form Transmutation 7
Summon Dragon Summoning 9
O - a book of Annihilations {god gift}
WARNING: If you fail in an attempt to memorise a spell from this book, the
book will lash out at you.

Spells Type Level
Poison Arrow Conjuration/Poison 6
Orb of Destruction Conjuration 7
Chain Lightning Conjuration/Air 8
Lehudib's Crystal Spear Conjuration/Earth 8
Ice Storm Conjuration/Ice 9
Fire Storm Conjuration/Fire 9

Skills:
- Level 10,5 Fighting
- Level 1,7 Dodging
- Level 1,7 Stealth
- Level 5,0 Shields
+ Level 10,3 Traps & Doors
+ Level 16,9 Spellcasting
- Level 12,2 Conjurations
- Level 5,0 Charms
Level 1,0 Summonings
- Level 5,4 Translocations
- Level 10,0 Ice Magic
- Level 4,0 Air Magic
- Level 3,2 Poison Magic

You have 14 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger
a - Magic Dart Conj ##### 1% 1 None
b - Mephitic Cloud Conj/Pois/Air ######... 1% 3 None
d - Stone Arrow Conj/Erth ######. 1% 3 None
e - Control Teleport Chrm/Tloc ######.... 4% 4 None
f - Blink Tloc N/A 1% 2 None
g - Bolt of Cold Conj/Ice #########. 1% 6 ####...
h - Freezing Cloud Conj/Ice/Air ########.. 3% 6 ####...
i - Lightning Bolt Conj/Air #######... 1% 5 None
j - Repel Missiles Chrm/Air ######.... 1% 2 None

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (11/27) Temple (1/1) D:5 Orc (4/4) D:8
Elf (0/3) Orc:4 Lair (8/8) D:11 Shoals (0/5) Lair:5
Spider (0/5) Lair:5 Slime (0/6) Lair:6

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
the Shining One

Shops:
D:6: = D:7: ! Orc:4: !*[/[

Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You can breathe bolts of energy.
You can dispel enchantments when you breathe energy.
Your rich purple scales are hard (AC +8).
Your body does not fit into most forms of armour.
Your muscles are strong (Str +1).

Message History

What level of the Lair of Beasts? (default 1, ? - help)
You climb downwards. Welcome to the Lair of Beasts!
There is a staircase back to the Dungeon here.
Things that are here:
a shiny ring mail; a trident
You found a bolt trap!
There is an open door here.
(D) Dungeon (T) Temple (O) Orcish Mines (E) Elven Halls
(L) Lair (A) Shoals (N) Spider Nest (M) Slime Pits
Where to? (Enter - Lair:2, ? - help)
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
You climb downwards.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
Items here: !! " %%%%% /// :::::: == ??
s - a book of Fire
F - a book of Conjurations {god gift}
I - a book of the Dragon
t - a book of Burglary
v - a book of Geomancy
w - a book of Minor Magic

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
Rupert (Lair:3)
5 hydras
An ice dragon (Lair:4)
Erica (Orc:4)
Harold (Lair:1)
A ravenous feature mimic (Lair:8)
4 ogre magi (Orc:4)
13 death yaks (Lair:8)
3 catoblepae (Lair:8)
Erolcha (Orc:2)
3 hill giants
A lindwurm (Lair:7)
Pikel (D:6)
Joseph (D:7)
A griffon (Lair:7)
A wolf spider (Lair:6)
2 black mambas
A cyclops (Orc:4)
9 elephants (Lair:6)
8 spiny frogs
A rock troll (Orc:4)
A wandering mushroom (Lair:7)
A deep dwarf artificer (D:10)
7 blink frogs (Lair:8)
3 komodo dragons
2 ravens (Lair:3)
4 trolls
A polar bear (Lair:5)
15 two-headed ogres (Orc:4)
A basilisk (Lair:2)
2 wyverns
3 sharks (Lair:5)
50 yaks
6 hippogriffs
A hungry ghost (D:10)
Grum (Orc:1)
4 trapdoor spiders (Lair:5)
A necrophage (D:10)
Menkaure (D:6)
A manticore (D:11)
4 slaves (D:6)
8 war dogs
11 orc warriors
3 ice beasts
3 sky beasts
2 giant goldfish (Lair:6)
2 phantoms
A swamp drake (Lair:6)
27 ogres
8 centaurs
10 crocodiles
3 boring beetles
The ghost of Tarias the Ruinous, an average DrCj (D:4)
Sigmund (D:5)
A warg (Orc:2)
6 giant slugs
16 giant frogs
7 agate snails
14 water moccasins
A soldier ant zombie (D:8)
A basilisk skeleton (D:11)
A killer bee zombie (D:4)
3 jellyfish (Lair:6)
21 killer bees
6 crimson imps
A goliath beetle (D:11)
5 wights
A big kobold skeleton (D

)
A hound zombie (D:8)
8 hounds
15 orc priests
2 scorpions (D:8)
A deep elf soldier (D:8)
20 orc wizards
2 sheep
10 iguanas
2 worker ant zombies
4 jellies
6 worker ants
6 porcupines
5 mummies
23 adders
72 green rats
8 gnolls
An inept feature mimic (D:5)
2 giant centipedes
An adder skeleton (D:4)
2 giant mites
2 iguana skeletons
2 white imps (Lair:4)
7 worms
3 giant eyeballs
2 oozes (D:3)
117 orcs
3 ball pythons
26 bats
3 giant cockroaches
18 goblins
13 hobgoblins
14 jackals
17 kobolds
7 quokkas
13 giant geckos
14 giant newts
2 hobgoblin skeletons
A hobgoblin zombie (D:4)
2 kobold skeletons (D:4)
An orc skeleton (D:4)
32 rats
A rat zombie (D:4)
A bush (Lair:6)
3 fungi
9 plants
61 toadstools
898 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
4 yaks (D:10)
A small abomination (Lair:7)
An orc priest (D:10)
3 orc wizards (D:10)
2 orcs
3 jackals (Lair:6)
A quokka (Lair:2)
6 fungi
13 plants
114 toadstools
148 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 1046 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn | Place | Note
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0 | D:1 | Tarias, the Draconian Wizard, began the quest for the Orb.
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 12/12 MP: 5/5
289 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 12/18 MP: 1/7
648 | D:1 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
1063 | D:2 | Identified a +2 pair of dwarven boots of running (You found it on level 2 of the Dungeon)
1071 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 24/24 MP: 3/9
1580 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud
1901 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 30/30 MP: 7/11
2587 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
2605 | D:3 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
2789 | D:3 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
2789 | D:3 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
2789 | D:3 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
2836 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 36/36 MP: 13/13
2853 | D:4 | Noticed a phantom
2890 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre
2894 | D:4 | Killed an ogre
2894 | D:4 | Reached skill level 4 in Conjurations
2897 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre
3072 | D:3 | Killed a phantom
3072 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 18/42 MP: 1/16
3186 | D:3 | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame
3437 | D:4 | Noticed Tarias' ghost (average DrCj)
3925 | D:4 | Killed an ogre
3925 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations
4510 | D:4 | Your scales start taking on a rich purple colour.
4510 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
4510 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 48/48 MP: 7/19
4674 | D:4 | Killed Tarias' ghost
4674 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic
4828 | D:4 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
4995 | D:4 | Found a sand-covered staircase.
5012 | Ossuary | Entered an ossuary
5248 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
5603 | D:5 | Noticed Sigmund
5615 | D:5 | Killed Sigmund
5615 | D:5 | Reached skill level 6 in Spellcasting
6186 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 55/55 MP: 1/21
6303 | D:5 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
6315 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
6326 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Vehumet
6644 | D:6 | Found Plog's Jewellery Shoppe.
6725 | D:6 | Bought an uncursed ring of see invisible for 165 gold pieces
6753 | D:6 | Noticed Menkaure
7167 | D:6 | Noticed Pikel
8348 | D:6 | Killed Pikel
8458 | D:7 | Found Jyrgheoxe's Distillery.
8466 | D:7 | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 36 gold pieces
8466 | D:7 | Bought a potion of curing for 24 gold pieces
8466 | D:7 | Bought a potion of curing for 24 gold pieces
8466 | D:7 | Bought a potion of poison for 12 gold pieces
8466 | D:7 | Bought a potion of slowing for 12 gold pieces
8492 | D:7 | Acquired Vehumet's first power
8711 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 60/60 MP: 14/23
8725 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
8725 | D:7 | Reached skill level 7 in Spellcasting
9180 | D:6 | Killed Menkaure
9180 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Poison Magic
9768 | D:7 | Acquired Vehumet's second power
10068 | D:7 | Noticed Joseph
10319 | D:7 | Killed Joseph
10677 | D:8 | Learned a level 3 spell: Stone Arrow
10725 | D:8 | Reached skill level 8 in Spellcasting
10888 | D:8 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
11361 | D:8 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
11385 | D:8 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
11561 | D:8 | Acquired Vehumet's third power
11781 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 49/67 MP: 3/27
11891 | D:8 | Reached skill level 9 in Spellcasting
13192 | D:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting
13560 | D

| Got a faintly glowing long sword
13561 | D

| Identified the long sword "Imia" {elec, +Lev rC+} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)
13986 | D:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Conjurations
14118 | D

| Acquired Vehumet's fourth power
14290 | D

| Learned a level 4 spell: Control Teleport
14304 | D

crate

United States2474 Posts

November 26 2012 22:53 GMT

#1250

If you don't know where to go, doing more of the dungeon is basically always a fine decision. Unless you've run out of dungeon, of course--then you go get 3 runes and win!

You probably don't really want to walk around with rF--, since getting hit with a fireball or flame arrow or bolt of fire might just kill you. I would suggest wearing your ring of protection from fire while you're walking around (replacing one ring of ice, obviously), and then you can swap in your second ring of ice if you want more power and you're fighting something that doesn't use fire.

As far as skills go there are a few things you can do. Your offense is good enough to last for quite a long time--you have high-power bolt of cold, plus freezing cloud, and combined that's enough to get you through almost an entire three rune game. So there are four things that stand out as useful to me (probably roughly in the order I would do these things, but other players would do different things):

1) Get dodging skill for more EV. It will be cheap for a while and will dramatically improve your survivability. 8-ish dodging is a good target.

2) Get some melee skill. Unless there's something I don't know about lying around (staff of cold, demon weapon) then get long blades skill and you will be ok with that elec long sword. You only need ~8 skill to be competent at hitting things that aren't terribly dangerous, so you can save mp and probably keep yourself out of a bad situation.

3) If you like you can learn shadow creatures, which is a very small investment with Veh and is ridiculously powerful.

4) You can pick up poison arrow or work toward chain lightning or ice storm for bigger conjurations damage. This is a bigger investment than the above 3 options though, so I would do this later.

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As an aside I don't think training t&d skill past maybe 5 is worthwhile in 0.12, since you no longer need it to find secret doors, which was the biggest thing I trained it for in the past (finding doors that I as a player knew existed, but that my character did not). My past several wins have all had 0 t&d skill.

Dienosore

Brunei Darussalam622 Posts

December 09 2012 15:48 GMT

#1251

Ok I'm running a Hopr now and things are going fairly smooth. Cleared out Lair, first level of Vault, and now I'm down to D:20. Just need y'alls opinion on what axe I should use.

+4+4 orc executioner's axe (frost)
or
+10+6 mythril axe Arga (Speed, MR, Str +2)

I'm going to give whatever I don't pick to one of my followers, so I have to be certain I get the best one.

Cel.erity

United States4890 Posts

December 09 2012 18:30 GMT

#1252

Wait, what kind of axe is the artifact one? If it's a hand axe or war axe, it's significantly worse, but any other kind is probably better.

crate

United States2474 Posts

December 09 2012 18:39 GMT

#1253

Arga is a war axe.

Use the exec axe.

Dienosore

Brunei Darussalam622 Posts

December 09 2012 18:41 GMT

#1254

I had never seen an axe like it before either. Upon further examination, it looks to be 1 handed/150% base attack delay (I assume it drops to 75% due to speed)/+0 accuracy/11 dmg rating

Normally I would be all over it, but I Acquired that executioners axe and don't really want to give it up unnecessarily because I can't really get it back unless one of my highly groomed orc warlords die.

------------edit:

I have a couple unique bucklers I could finally use if I switched. Does that change your advice any, crate?

Cel.erity

United States4890 Posts

December 09 2012 18:48 GMT

#1255

Weapon type matters more than anything in Crawl. Even an unbranded +0 executioner's axe would probably outdamage that axe if your skill is high enough.

And no, definitely not worth switching to use a shield. You'd probably only do that if you had a really amazing broad axe.

Dienosore

Brunei Darussalam622 Posts

December 10 2012 18:18 GMT

#1256

Alright, well I have another axe in question:

+12/+15 obsidian axe (chop/Lev/Str +3/Sinvs/Curse) Randomly recurses itself

Accuracy -2, Bse Dmg 14, Delay 160%

is it better than my +4/+5 exec axe of frost? On the downside, I cannot give this one to my troops because they wont pick up anything with a curse on it, so if I cant use it then its going into the stash.

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

December 10 2012 18:22 GMT

#1257

Well, that's a Broad Axe which is the best 1-handed axe, but Vorpal is not a good brand. You'll be doing better with the 4/5 exec axe of Frost assuming you have enough axe skill to use it well I think just because exec axes deal so much damage and frost is a very good brand. If you have a good shield I guess it could be okay since it has lots of +damage but really Vorpal is underwhelming.

crate

United States2474 Posts

December 10 2012 18:36 GMT

#1258

The problem with the obsidian axe is it mesmerises you every time you see an enemy. This is likely to get you killed eventually. It's pretty strong other than that though.

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

December 10 2012 18:40 GMT

#1259

oh, wow, that mesmerize is actually really bad. Don't use this axe.

obsidian axe[1/2]: A +12, +15 broad axe of chopping that mesmerises you whenever a monster is in sight. +3 Str, SInv, +Lev, always recurses, sometimes summons a usually-friendly demon (3 or 4) when you kill stuff. Also cures confusion when you're mesmerised.
obsidian axe[2/2]: Visions of slaying the oklob plant flood into your mind. You cannot move away from the oklob plant!

BeMannerDuPenner

Germany5638 Posts

December 12 2012 19:56 GMT

#1260

need quick help: after reading this thread i got i the game again. got bored of vpsu quickly cause of all the input you gotta do and my 3rd mifi (tab hooray)got some nice drops, through d10/lair/orc1-3.

now im in a sticky situation i dont know is possible to escape but id love to keep him:
Nessos that sucker has me pinned in a smallish area of orc. i dont think i can get out of los but am only 1 tile away from saving stairs. more problem: im at 6hp & red poisnd so almost dead, got potion of health/curing and a invis wand and have heroism on.

def stats : 23-11-27 (ac-ev-sh)

can i get out of this or am i fucked? would hate to lose it since 4/4 ring of slaying, a +3dmg amulet + a demon trident of flaming is such a nice start.

ps dont play when tired latenight and plan to "just quickly clear x" .this situation was so damn avoidable -_-

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