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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
December 15 2012 07:39 GMT
#1281
Vampiric glaive > anti-magic bardiche?
Also, best lightweight armour for MfBe? MDA or FDA?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 07:43:59
December 15 2012 07:43 GMT
#1282
Depends on what you're doing, but anti-magic is an amazing brand and if you have 20 polearm skill you're at min delay for bardiche anyways. Later on there will be fewer things that you can drain with vampiricism and more things that cast spells that will make you glad you have the anti-magic weapon.

I'm not really sure FDA is a "lightweight" armour but it provides more GDR than MDA I think, and the rf++ is much better than napalm immunity. Do you have some way to deal with the rc-? How's your EV in either armour?
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
December 15 2012 08:02 GMT
#1283
http://pastebin.com/7rFkyADC <--- dump. I'm wearing leather armour of rF+ right now, so those are the stats for that. I currently just got a mottled hide, but not sure if I should use the enchant armour on it now or later. I've never played a pure melee char that doesn't choose the highest AC armour, so it's just a general question as to what armour I should aim for.

I guess I'll switch from the vamp. glaive to the anti-magic bardiche late game. Probably after vaults?
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shackes
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany148 Posts
December 15 2012 08:21 GMT
#1284
I think you're best off with FDA, if you have points to spend in armor and got some rc+. Otherwise I'd stick with the best leather armor or ring mail available.

The weapon? I'd switch immediately.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 08:21:56
December 15 2012 08:21 GMT
#1285
Well, your EV is looking pretty solid. Even with the hit to EV from getting FDA you'll still be above 30 which is good enough, and FDA should bump up your AC a bit. The Devil's Advocate and the gauntlets of war together mean you pack a pretty decent punch, too.

My initial thought is FDA is good but find something that gives you rC+ if you can. With some points in armour you'll be able to hit 30 AC 30 EV which is what you want. If you're down in vaults the anti-magic weapon should be good, and it deals more damage anyways.

Crate probably knows better than I do though.
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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
December 15 2012 09:56 GMT
#1286
As mfbe you should wear mda or something heavier ... mda is certainly good enough and if you don't need resistances then you might as well make and enchant one since you have it. If you have a fire dragon hide already then that's an ok choice too, or plate armour is probably fine if you want also.

Vamp glaive is better than antimagic bardiche for general use but you should 100% carry the antimagic bardiche around also because when it's better it's much better and you should have it around so you can swap.
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steelerz
Profile Joined October 2011
United States4 Posts
December 15 2012 10:17 GMT
#1287
Just downloaded the game.. gonna give it a try
Cynry
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
810 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-17 20:55:16
December 17 2012 19:44 GMT
#1288
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Cynry the Shatterer (Minotaur Fighter) Turns: 23178, Time: 02:03:21

HP 100/145 AC 27 Str 25 XL: 16 Next: 30%
MP 28/28 EV 12 Int 8 God: Nemelex Xobeh [******]
Gold 1663 SH 0 Dex 13 Spells: 0 memorised, 15 levels left

Res.Fire : + . . See Invis. : . M - +2 great mace (crush)
Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . W - +4 plate armour {rF+}
Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . (no shield)
Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . (helmet restricted)
Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . B - -1 elf cloak
Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . R - +1 pair of gauntlets
Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . P - +1 pair of dwarf boots
Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . l - amulet of rage
Saprovore : . . . Levitation : . e - ring of sustenance
Ctrl.Flight: . T - +5 ring of evasion

@: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, breathe flames 1, slow healing 1, spit poison
1, Str +2, Dex +1
a: Spit Poison, Draw One, Peek at Two, Triple Draw, Deal Four, Stack Five,
Renounce Religion, Breathe Fire, Evoke Berserk Rage


You are on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Nemelex Xobeh.
Nemelex Xobeh is exalted by your worship.
You are hungry.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 22 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth, Sewer, Ossuary and Bailey.

You have collected 1643 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
M - a +2,+2 great mace of crushing (weapon)
Armour
B - a -1 elven cloak (worn)
P - a +1 pair of dwarven boots (worn)
R - a +1 pair of gauntlets (worn)
W - a +4 plate armour of fire resistance (worn)
Magical devices
y - a wand of draining (5)
z - a wand of disintegration (15)
G - a wand of digging {zapped: 1}
L - a wand of lightning
S - a wand of flame (10)
Comestibles
b - 2 beef jerkies
j - 5 apples
p - 2 meat rations
Scrolls
g - 9 scrolls of identify
h - 2 scrolls of remove curse
i - 3 scrolls of teleportation
v - 3 scrolls of fear
O - 2 scrolls of blinking
Jewellery
c - an uncursed ring of levitation
e - a ring of sustenance (right hand)
l - an amulet of rage (around neck)
m - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
D - an uncursed ring of ice
H - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
T - a +5 ring of evasion (left hand)
V - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
Potions
d - a potion of resistance
k - a potion of porridge
t - 5 potions of curing
E - 7 potions of heal wounds
F - a potion of invisibility
Z - a potion of levitation
Miscellaneous
a - a plain deck of summonings {drawn: 1} {god gift}
n - a plain deck of destruction {drawn: 1} {god gift}
q - an ornate deck of dungeons {drawn: 1} {god gift}
s - a plain deck of destruction {drawn: 1} {god gift}
C - an ornate deck of escape {drawn: 1} {god gift}
Q - a plain deck of destruction {drawn: 3} {god gift}
Rods
X - a +2 lightning rod (13/13)
(You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth)


Skills:
- Level 15,7 Fighting
* Level 21,1 Maces & Flails
- Level 2,9 Throwing
- Level 15,7 Armour
Level 3,6 Shields
+ Level 13,1 Evocations


You have 15 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (13/27) Temple (1/1) D:6 Orc (0/4) D
Lair (8/8) D:13 Shoals (0/5) Lair:6 Spider (0/5) Lair:6
Slime (0/6) Lair:7

Altars:
Ashenzari
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
the Shining One

Annotations
Lair:4 exclusion: 4 oklob plants


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee.
You have a pair of horns on your head.
You are agile (Dex +2).
You can breathe flames.
You heal slowly.
You can spit poison.
Your muscles are strong (Str +1).
Your muscles are strong, but stiff (Str +1, Dex -1).
< Dump

Alright, this is one of my best shot at winning the game so far, and I don't want to waste this one like the last...
Any piece of advice is welcome, and I have some questions as well. I'm planning on a 3 rune win, hopefully.

Should I keep the same gameplan 'till the end ? Evocation + Nemelex is ok for ranged/magical fighting or should I add some magic and/or a ranged weapon ?
I got a good amount of enchant weapon scrolls, not sure what to do with them. Use them on the lightning rod ? The great mace ? Wait for a better weapon ?
Does magic resist works for all elements or just "pure" conjuration spells ?


edit : NEVERFUCKINGMIND
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 02:36:33
December 19 2012 02:22 GMT
#1289
On December 18 2012 04:44 Cynry wrote:
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Cynry the Shatterer (Minotaur Fighter) Turns: 23178, Time: 02:03:21

HP 100/145 AC 27 Str 25 XL: 16 Next: 30%
MP 28/28 EV 12 Int 8 God: Nemelex Xobeh [******]
Gold 1663 SH 0 Dex 13 Spells: 0 memorised, 15 levels left

Res.Fire : + . . See Invis. : . M - +2 great mace (crush)
Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . W - +4 plate armour {rF+}
Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . (no shield)
Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . (helmet restricted)
Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . B - -1 elf cloak
Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . R - +1 pair of gauntlets
Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . P - +1 pair of dwarf boots
Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . l - amulet of rage
Saprovore : . . . Levitation : . e - ring of sustenance
Ctrl.Flight: . T - +5 ring of evasion

@: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, breathe flames 1, slow healing 1, spit poison
1, Str +2, Dex +1
a: Spit Poison, Draw One, Peek at Two, Triple Draw, Deal Four, Stack Five,
Renounce Religion, Breathe Fire, Evoke Berserk Rage


You are on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Nemelex Xobeh.
Nemelex Xobeh is exalted by your worship.
You are hungry.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 22 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth, Sewer, Ossuary and Bailey.

You have collected 1643 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
M - a +2,+2 great mace of crushing (weapon)
Armour
B - a -1 elven cloak (worn)
P - a +1 pair of dwarven boots (worn)
R - a +1 pair of gauntlets (worn)
W - a +4 plate armour of fire resistance (worn)
Magical devices
y - a wand of draining (5)
z - a wand of disintegration (15)
G - a wand of digging {zapped: 1}
L - a wand of lightning
S - a wand of flame (10)
Comestibles
b - 2 beef jerkies
j - 5 apples
p - 2 meat rations
Scrolls
g - 9 scrolls of identify
h - 2 scrolls of remove curse
i - 3 scrolls of teleportation
v - 3 scrolls of fear
O - 2 scrolls of blinking
Jewellery
c - an uncursed ring of levitation
e - a ring of sustenance (right hand)
l - an amulet of rage (around neck)
m - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
D - an uncursed ring of ice
H - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
T - a +5 ring of evasion (left hand)
V - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
Potions
d - a potion of resistance
k - a potion of porridge
t - 5 potions of curing
E - 7 potions of heal wounds
F - a potion of invisibility
Z - a potion of levitation
Miscellaneous
a - a plain deck of summonings {drawn: 1} {god gift}
n - a plain deck of destruction {drawn: 1} {god gift}
q - an ornate deck of dungeons {drawn: 1} {god gift}
s - a plain deck of destruction {drawn: 1} {god gift}
C - an ornate deck of escape {drawn: 1} {god gift}
Q - a plain deck of destruction {drawn: 3} {god gift}
Rods
X - a +2 lightning rod (13/13)
(You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth)


Skills:
- Level 15,7 Fighting
* Level 21,1 Maces & Flails
- Level 2,9 Throwing
- Level 15,7 Armour
Level 3,6 Shields
+ Level 13,1 Evocations


You have 15 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (13/27) Temple (1/1) D:6 Orc (0/4) D
Lair (8/8) D:13 Shoals (0/5) Lair:6 Spider (0/5) Lair:6
Slime (0/6) Lair:7

Altars:
Ashenzari
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
the Shining One

Annotations
Lair:4 exclusion: 4 oklob plants


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee.
You have a pair of horns on your head.
You are agile (Dex +2).
You can breathe flames.
You heal slowly.
You can spit poison.
Your muscles are strong (Str +1).
Your muscles are strong, but stiff (Str +1, Dex -1).
< Dump

Alright, this is one of my best shot at winning the game so far, and I don't want to waste this one like the last...
Any piece of advice is welcome, and I have some questions as well. I'm planning on a 3 rune win, hopefully.

Should I keep the same gameplan 'till the end ? Evocation + Nemelex is ok for ranged/magical fighting or should I add some magic and/or a ranged weapon ?
I got a good amount of enchant weapon scrolls, not sure what to do with them. Use them on the lightning rod ? The great mace ? Wait for a better weapon ?
Does magic resist works for all elements or just "pure" conjuration spells ?


edit : NEVERFUCKINGMIND


share your story ~
magic restist afair only blocks enemy hexes/banish


for me i had 2 very promising vpsu that i killed off (one stupid by 2round death from 2 elephants,1 by getting banish and bad luck in abyss). super funny class ,maybe too "easy" for the pros but if you get a bit lucky with books the lair - orc and lair branches part is mostly a joke.

after them wanted another tabber and went again with migl, this time with staves. stupidly powerful btw if you find a lajatang reasonably early (acquirement gave me a +4/+4 venom artifact midlair).

cleared spider and shoals without big trouble, did orcs and elf,d to 26 and vaults down to 7. feel quite powerful vs almost evrything. boris is annoying after killing him 3 times already but the real problem is that im terribly short on scrolls. blink,teleport etc without a telewand. lack of conservation did cost me a shitton.

other then that i have most of what i wanted from oka. latajang of speed recently and a +16 plate armor.

what is best way too approach now?

dump:

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.11.0-9-gb634444 (webtiles) character file.

BMPenner the Chief of Staff (Minotaur Gladiator) Turns: 93370, Time: 09:03:03

HP 232/232 (233) AC 44 Str 31 XL: 24 Next: 66%
MP 31/31 EV 29 Int 7 God: Okawaru [******]
Gold 4020 SH 0 Dex 23 Spells: 0 memorised, 23 levels left

Res.Fire : . . . See Invis. : . A - +5,+6 lajatang (speed) {god gift}
Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . k - +16 plate armour "Blekit" {god gift, Str+1
Life Prot.: + . . Conserve : . (no shield)
Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . j - +2 wizard hat {MR} {god gift}
Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . G - +0 cloak {MR} {god gift}
Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . R - +0 pair of gloves of the Other World {god
Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . P - +2 pair of boots {Lev}
Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . K - amulet of faith
Saprovore : . . . Levitation : . c - +6 ring of dexterity
Ctrl.Flight: . d - +6 ring of evasion

@: incredibly resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, Str +2, Dex +1
a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion, Evoke Berserk Rage, Evoke Levitation
}: 2/15 runes: barnacled, gossamer


You are on level 25 of the Dungeon.
You worship Okawaru.
Okawaru is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 8 branches of the dungeon, and seen 59 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 1 time.

You have collected 6310 gold pieces.
You have spent 2310 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
g - the +4,+4 lajatang of Nadod {venom, rN+}
(You acquired it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)

It poisons the flesh of those it strikes.

It protects you from negative energy.
t - the halberd "Foece" {god gift, freeze, +Blink SInv}
(Okawaru gifted it to you on level 19 of the Dungeon)

It has been specially enchanted to freeze those struck by it, causing extra
injury to most foes and up to double damage against particularly susceptible
opponents. It can also slow down cold-blooded creatures.

It enhances your eyesight.
It lets you blink.
w - the +11,+2 quarterstaff of the Blowfly {god gift, freeze, Int+2}
(Okawaru gifted it to you on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts)

It has been specially enchanted to freeze those struck by it, causing extra
injury to most foes and up to double damage against particularly susceptible
opponents. It can also slow down cold-blooded creatures.

It affects your intelligence (+2).
A - a +5,+6 lajatang of speed (weapon) {god gift}
Armour
e - a fire dragon hide {Xtahua}
j - a +2 wizard hat of magic resistance (worn) {god gift}
k - the +16 plate armour "Blekit" (worn) {god gift, Str+1 Dex+1 Int+2}
(Okawaru gifted it to you on level 4 of the Spider Nest)

It affects your strength (+1).
It affects your intelligence (+2).
It affects your dexterity (+1).
G - a +0 cloak of magic resistance (worn) {god gift}
P - a +2 pair of boots of levitation (worn)
R - the +0 pair of gloves of the Other World (worn) {god gift, +Rage rN+ MR Stlth--}
(Okawaru gifted it to you on level 18 of the Dungeon)

It protects you from negative energy.
It increases your resistance to enchantments.
It lets you go berserk.
It makes you much less stealthy.
Magical devices
m - a wand of digging (2)
u - a wand of hasting (5)
I - a wand of invisibility (6)
X - a wand of disintegration (2)
Comestibles
a - 8 rotting chunks of yaktaur flesh
q - 5 royal jellies
s - 16 meat rations
B - 13 honeycombs
Scrolls
b - a scroll of fog
l - 2 scrolls of teleportation
F - 12 scrolls of remove curse
S - a scroll of recharging
W - 5 scrolls of identify
Y - a scroll of amnesia
Z - 3 scrolls of fear
Jewellery
c - a +6 ring of dexterity (right hand)
d - a +6 ring of evasion (left hand)
n - the ring of Vitality {Regen HP+15}
(You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)

[ring of regeneration]

It affects your health (+15).
v - an uncursed amulet of stasis
y - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
E - an uncursed amulet of warding
K - an amulet of faith (around neck)
L - the amulet of Bronops {rMut +Blink rN+ MR Acc-4}
(You took it off a deep elf mage on level 3 of the Elven Halls)

[amulet of resist mutation]

It affects your accuracy (-4).
It protects you from negative energy.
It increases your resistance to enchantments.
It lets you blink.
M - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
O - the ring "Niab" {Wiz SInv}
(You took it off a centaur warrior on level 7 of the Vaults)

[ring of wizardry]

It enhances your eyesight.
Q - a +5 ring of intelligence
U - the amulet "Fegoegull" {Spirit rF+ Str+3 Dex+3}
(You found it on level 20 of the Dungeon)

[amulet of guardian spirit]

It affects your strength (+3).
It affects your dexterity (+3).
It protects you from fire.
V - an uncursed ring of life protection
Potions
i - 2 potions of might
o - 4 potions of agility
p - 6 potions of restore abilities
r - 6 potions of curing
x - a potion of cure mutation
z - 4 potions of speed
C - a potion of resistance
H - 7 potions of heal wounds
N - a potion of brilliance
T - a potion of invisibility
Books
f - a book of Necromancy

Spells Type Level
Pain Necromancy 1
Animate Skeleton Necromancy 1
Lethal Infusion Charms/Necromancy 2
Vampiric Draining Necromancy 3
Regeneration Charms/Necromancy 3
Animate Dead Necromancy 4
Control Undead Necromancy 4
J - a papyrus book
This book is beyond your current level of understanding.
Miscellaneous
h - a lantern of shadows


Skills:
+ Level 22.8 Fighting
O Level 27 Staves
- Level 2.0 Throwing
* Level 20.0 Armour
+ Level 17.6 Dodging
- Level 2.7 Stealth
* Level 13.0 Traps & Doors
- Level 2.1 Unarmed Combat
- Level 10.4 Invocations
- Level 7.1 Evocations


thought about maybe taking my first steps at more then 3 runes and maybe ditching oka for tso(even worth it given how nice finesse is)? but with the lack of escape consumables im a bit scared. i have 2-3 teleport and 1 blink stashed away but thats it.

can i go further this time? when to switch?

/ have a acquirement, blow that for a wand inhope of teleportation to atleast have some "reliable" escape?
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
December 19 2012 04:00 GMT
#1290
LOL Chief of Staff. I've never seen that title before.

What I'd be concerned about pressing into endgame is your lack of resists. Since you're pure melee, you've basically got no shot with just rF+ and rC+. I usually use lategame acquirements on jewelry for this reason and the high % of a randart, however, you should check your identified items to make sure you don't have a bunch of unID'ed crap jewelry, or else it will weigh towards those. I honestly don't think you need a teleport wand very badly, scrolls are so common and you don't have a way to control teleport. Requesting jewelry can give you conservation and solve the consumable problem too.

If you're switching to TSO, best way is clear Vaults and Zot (or at least Z:4), then switch and get your piety up in Crypt, and move on to Pan or whatever you plan on doing.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 04:30:06
December 19 2012 04:21 GMT
#1291
Um, it's hardly uncommon to only have one (or sometimes zero, if you're using MR plate or something) pip of resistance from your armour. You never need more than 2 total pips of resistance outside of a zig, and thankfully that is the exact number you can get from non-artefact rings.

(well I guess you might want rC++ and rElec for Lom. Potions of resistance exist.)

Anyway I would suggest hitting things while using tactics because you don't need any more items or xp if you play smart enough.

ps stop training t&d it's an awful skill

pps please put your dumps in code tags so they are readable

Also jewellery acquirement is pretty terrible on average ... i would definitely choose wand but I guess jewellery is not awful for your character.
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Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
December 19 2012 10:17 GMT
#1292
On December 19 2012 13:21 crate wrote:Also jewellery acquirement is pretty terrible on average ... i would definitely choose wand but I guess jewellery is not awful for your character.


Couldn't disagree more, jewelry definitely gives more frequent and more useful randarts than armor. It's nearly always a randart if you have most everything ID'ed. Armor also has a much bigger chance of being something that you just straight up can't or won't use. I know we're comparing to wand here but jewelry is definitely not terrible "on average".

lol'ed a bit at the comment about the dump being unreadable. There's nothing unreadable about it.
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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 12:23:54
December 19 2012 12:17 GMT
#1293
Well yes I could copy the dump and then put it in notepad to read the % information but that's awful and I dont want to do that. (Not using code tags also makes the display of your current viewport unreadable, crawl uses fixed-space font for a reason...)

Seriously one of these is readable and one is not, you tell me which one is which:

+ Show Spoiler +
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12-a0-1338-gb589162 (console) character file.

1392929 crate the Imperceptible (level 27, 195/195 (201) HPs)
Began as a Vampire Arcane Marksman on Dec 14, 2012.
Was the Champion of Lugonu.
Escaped with the Orb
... and 3 runes!

The game lasted 06:25:40 (102485 turns).

crate the Imperceptible (Vampire Arcane Marksman) Turns: 102485, Time: 06:25:40

HP 195/195 (201) AC 18 Str 12 XL: 27
MP 43/46 EV 29 Int 30 God: Lugonu [******]
Gold 7724 SH 12 Dex 20 Spells: 13 memorised, 2 levels left

Res.Fire : + + . See Invis. : + b - +5,+6 quick blade "Duitom" {stab, rF+ SInv
Res.Cold : + . . Warding : . f - +1 robe of Greed {rF+ MR Dam+2}
Life Prot.: + + . Conserve : . e - +0 buckler
Res.Poison: + Res.Corr. : . U - +2 wizard hat {Int+3}
Res.Elec. : . Clarity : + F - +2 orc cloak {darkness}
Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . q - +2 pair of gauntlets {Dex+3}
Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . O - +2 pair of boots {run}
Res.Rott. : + Ctrl.Telep.: x B - amulet "Ygosiaphu" {Clar Str+2 Int+4}
Saprovore : . . . Flight : . t - ring of the Mage {Wiz MR Int+3}
A - +4 ring of protection

@: regenerating slowly, studying Evocations, very quick, incredibly resistant to
hostile enchantments, stealthy
A: bottle blood, fangs 3, see invisible, unbreathing
a: Bat Form, Bottle Blood, Depart the Abyss, Bend Space, Banish, Corrupt, Enter
the Abyss, Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility
}: 3/15 runes: decaying, silver, gossamer

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12-a0-1338-gb589162 (console) character file.

1392929 crate the Imperceptible (level 27, 195/195 (201) HPs)
Began as a Vampire Arcane Marksman on Dec 14, 2012.
Was the Champion of Lugonu.
Escaped with the Orb
... and 3 runes!

The game lasted 06:25:40 (102485 turns).

crate the Imperceptible (Vampire Arcane Marksman) Turns: 102485, Time: 06:25:40

HP 195/195 (201) AC 18 Str 12 XL: 27
MP 43/46 EV 29 Int 30 God: Lugonu [******]
Gold 7724 SH 12 Dex 20 Spells: 13 memorised, 2 levels left

Res.Fire : + + . See Invis. : + b - +5,+6 quick blade "Duitom" {stab, rF+ SInv
Res.Cold : + . . Warding : . f - +1 robe of Greed {rF+ MR Dam+2}
Life Prot.: + + . Conserve : . e - +0 buckler
Res.Poison: + Res.Corr. : . U - +2 wizard hat {Int+3}
Res.Elec. : . Clarity : + F - +2 orc cloak {darkness}
Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . q - +2 pair of gauntlets {Dex+3}
Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . O - +2 pair of boots {run}
Res.Rott. : + Ctrl.Telep.: x B - amulet "Ygosiaphu" {Clar Str+2 Int+4}
Saprovore : . . . Flight : . t - ring of the Mage {Wiz MR Int+3}
A - +4 ring of protection

@: regenerating slowly, studying Evocations, very quick, incredibly resistant to
hostile enchantments, stealthy
A: bottle blood, fangs 3, see invisible, unbreathing
a: Bat Form, Bottle Blood, Depart the Abyss, Bend Space, Banish, Corrupt, Enter
the Abyss, Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility
}: 3/15 runes: decaying, silver, gossamer


Anyway I just went to wizmode, identified every piece of jewellery, and then acquired jewellery 24 times. The best item I got was either a non-randart amulet of faith (well, ok, my character already had one so I guess this is not good), a +5 ring of evasion, or a +4,+5 ring of slaying. I got 6 randarts total and they were all basically useless (the best is a stat-boosting rC ring). Jewellery acquirement is usually not very useful unless you are a felid.

Armour acquirement also gives a lot of junk but I did 24 armour acquirements (at 14 armour skill) and got at least 11 items that are probably better than what my character already had. Best was a +10 artefact plate with other stuff, or +2 rC gloves, or a +2 acc+6 helmet. This is much better than 1/24 items being better than what I had. (Disclaimer: a reasonable portion of those 11 were shields, but I think if I had more weapon skill I would get fewer shields since I am pretty sure that acquirement takes that into account; I had 14 long blades/0 shields when I did this.)

Weapon acquirement is hard to judge in wizmode because the real benefit of it is that you almost always use it when the basetype you want is one you haven't seen yet, so I can't just do 24 acquirements in a row and look through them to get an idea of what it normally gives. Nevertheless I did 24 weapon acquirements from 14 long blades skill; I got 4 non-artefact triple swords, Doom Knight, 2 demon blades, a double sword of slicing, a -4,+6 artefact double sword of pain, and then some trash. Realistically this would be more slanted toward triple swords, double swords, and demon blades unless you've ID'd them all, but in that case you're not looking to acquire weapon anyway.

Too lazy to test wand right now, it is by far the most likely to give you an item that is useful, though the ceiling is obviously lower as well.
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BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
December 19 2012 13:22 GMT
#1294
mmhh

so cleared v8 now,got 3rd rune and am lvl 27. tried slime but the royal jelly always retreated behind his spawns when low and fighting 10+ acid blobs and azures is not cool. gave up after burning through 4-5 permafood and quite some piety. guess fast weapons are bad against him anyways so my 0.2 delay doesnt help..

now go for more runes? clear zot first? do abyss rune or pan first?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
December 19 2012 13:42 GMT
#1295
you could clear zot:1-4 if you want to find some stuff. leaving with 3 runes is fine, too.

don't go into abyss without rmut
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Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
December 19 2012 13:51 GMT
#1296
If you're low on permafood then don't go Abyss. Clearing Zot and Crypt would be fine, then you can go to Pan from there, or Dis. Pan will give you a lot of food and random consumables, but the only problem is that I really don't think you can fight Lom or Cerebov at the moment. Crate seems to think you can, so I guess trust him, but personally I'd want at least rF+++ and rC++ before going in.
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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 14:10:54
December 19 2012 14:01 GMT
#1297
That character can certainly kill Cerebov if you play right but it most likely involves not killing him in a single encounter (Cerebov is actually pretty easy to kill as long as you're willing to repeatedly teleport away and come back once you're healed up). You could also just blink scroll past him and grab the rune and then teleport away, which is almost certainly simpler.

You never have to kill Lom, especially if you have apportation. He likes wasting time doing things that aren't dangerous, like casting blink or cbl. This character can probably kill him anyway.

edit: I'm assuming you have a ring of protection from fire (or a ring of fire) somewhere when I say you can kill Cerebov.

Gloorx is more dangerous than either Cerebov or Lom for this character, by a sizable margin.
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BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 14:19:28
December 19 2012 14:17 GMT
#1298
well i still have over 20 rations and honeycombs (found like 3 bee vaults) so food shouldnt be a huge problem for now. have rmut.

so plan is clear zot till4, switch tso, then do crypt and pan or abyss?


/edit can get to rf++ / +++ if needed. just short on teleport etc
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 14:20:00
December 19 2012 14:19 GMT
#1299
That should work out pretty well. Crypt is a great way to pump TSO piety, and if you have plenty of permafood and rmut, you'll find you'll be gaining piety as a TSO worshipper in the abyss also without any major risks. Abyss is, well, abysmally boring, but the rune itself isn't terribly difficult to get if you don't have food problems and can deal with the occasional 2.
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BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 16:20:31
December 19 2012 16:03 GMT
#1300
sounds good :>

did zot till 2 then the constant burning and shattering and annoyed me. went to drop oka for tso and did crypt. now entered abyss where im wandering around.

is it worth making a lajatang holy and ecnhanting it? my speed lajatang is at +8 currently.

also found another acq scroll and used it once for jewelry,once for wand. gave me a amulet of rage (gotta be like the only thing i havent id yet...) and a 2nd heal wand so meh.

/edit got the rune. dont think i took more then 20-30 dmg overall while i was down there. lost1dex cause i forgot to put on rmut, gained scrolls,pots and think even gained food. considering running a bit more around to get more stuff...
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