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Catyoul
France2377 Posts
Now on an unrelated note, there is something else we discussed on IRC.
Parallel to this league, we might be running another "fast league". New teams only, small divisions, activity required. That allows people who want to play more games to have an environment to do so against worthy opponents. The idea would be to have a little league running for maybe 5-6 games with new teams, have good games, a winner, and then delete all the teams and have a go again.
Now, if new people want to join the league, they can start in this mini-league while the big league is running, and would have the option to keep their team at the end to join the big league. It would give them the occasion to accrue some spp before being thrown in with the others.
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I would be all for a "beginners league" seeing as I missed the sign ups for Season 1 and also am quite bad at the game.
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Still waiting for Fallenfrog. Given that we may be playing continued teams, my plan is to not start this league until S1 ends. However, if fallenfrog doesn't respond in a week or so, I'll probably bring Stormtrout in as a replacement.
We're also missing a number of votes- 15 people registered and only 12 voters. 
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8 players in 2 divisions is locked in - its plain as day that the majority has voted this, even with some missing votes. No reason to re-vote on this.
Draft is out. There is some interest in it, but I don't want the people who are clearly disinterested to be forced to play something they won't enjoy. Maybe I will revisit this later, as a league that could potentially be run side-by-side with the normal seasons.
Catyoul, potatoedoughnut and myself have decided against playoffs, despite the popular vote. In our Season 1 playoffs, it is clearer to me than ever that some teams are getting an outrageous advantage by playing extra games. Sorry if you guys' feel that democracy has failed you, but this was our group decision. (also another reason to vote for new teams! har har)
The only vote left to collect is New Teams vs Continued teams. We are re-voting this because, after days with 12/16 votes, I don't know who has or hasn't voted, and it is so close that we need confirmation that everybody (and no outside lurkers) have been able to give their vote proper.
Playoffs for S1 are almost over. If at that time Fallenfrog doesn't respond, Stormtrout will be playing.
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Catyoul
France2377 Posts
I vote for continued teams.
On January 20 2011 08:04 Catyoul wrote:
I am favorable to keeping the current teams for the people who want to do so. We have played 13 games worth of spp, it would take almost 2 seasons with 8 people per division to get catch up to that, and with only 1 game a week, that would be 4 months "lost".
Also, I get it that the two divisions were quite different in composition, with division 1 being more light and division 2 more bashy, but that's the kind of thing that is going to happen anyway in a real league. Heck, in my Orca Cola division, we are 2 chaos teams surrounded by 8 fast teams. I might get injured a bit less than in a full bashy division (although considering how my games went, apparently not), but I also have pretty much no shot at winning in such a division. Another division in the same tier has something like 7 orc teams, 2 chaos and 1 wood elf. What I'm trying to say is it doesn't matter.
There were a lot of inactive players in division 2, so a lot of walkovers and adminned games, so I understand why some would prefer that. In division 1 however, most of us only had 1 walkover and 12 legitimate games. Ultimately, it's just pixels on the screen and it doesn't matter, but there is no real reason to scratch those efforts.
Obviously, even with the option to keep current teams, anyone is free to start a new team any season. For what it's worth, in the big Orca Cola league, I was favorable to have everyone restart from scratch when LE came out, but in the end it was decided to let people keep their teams.
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Voted continued, for mostly same reasons as Cat. I don't think that S1 created unnatural teams.
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Voting for new teams.
Season 1 that, in my opinion, require a do-over, due to the mistake of stacked-divisions and inactive players. I firmly believe that division 1 players are at an advantage, as their SPP wasn't distributed randomly and they didn't have to suffer at the hands of as many bashy teams as they would had the divisions been correctly made. Similarly, the bashy people in division 2 only had a few av7 teams to feed off of, not to mention many many WOs.
This is my stance, anyway. Some argue that it is not too unnatural, or that BB isn't meant to be fair. Perhaps not. That doesn't mean I don't wish for a do-over, anyway. In Season 3, there will be continued teams, and there will not be a vote to say otherwise.
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I will be updating this post with the votes of people who have opted to PM me as opposed to post in this thread themselves, so that they can be public record.
Original Message From Lyter:
My vote is for 1) New Teams
Original Message From Ziktomini:
I voted continuous.
Original Message From EezYBasH:
1) new teams please!
Original Message From Skirn:
New teams~ While I enjoyed Skaven a great deal, I would rather be able to see a fresh start.
Original Message From Mexicanhat:
yoyo m8
i would like to play new teams if possible, khemri is kinda boring :-)
but if ppl desire to play the old ill still be game :-)
Original Message From lorgoth:
Continued Teams
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My vote is for new teams. 
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I'm in and I vote for new teams, no drafts.
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New teams, no draft. and i vote for world peace.
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With Fallen confirming his registration, we now have 16/16. As soon as this poll is decided, I will create the league and be accepting in-game applications.
Current score is 8-4 in favor of new teams. There is still a chance of a tie, and we have 4 people left to vote. However, we will run this on majority rules, and if 1 person from hereonout picks New Teams, ya'll better start thinking of which teams you want to make.
In Favor of New Teams -
Nokarot
Lyter
eezyBash
Skirn
mexicanhat
StorkHwaiting
Fallen
Megelrov
In Favor of Old Teams -
Catyoul
potatoedoughnut
Ziktomini
Lorgoth
Yet to Vote -
InToTheWannaB
Brownjesus
mckogle
dingotrold
+ Show Spoiler +
Also, I fear that the people outside the majority may feel alienated or angry. I realize continued teams is a large part of Blood Bowl and I'm sorry to go against that idea, but if I'm wrong about wanting a do-over for Season 1, which I very well could be, I hope that the sheer interest in new teams makes you realize that, perhaps, it is simply an option where people would be more happy playing. In the end, all I care about is for everyone to have fun.
Frankly, I plan on rolling out with Goblins, once again crippling myself for the sake of enjoyment. I may have been ready to get rid of the Ogres, but it holds no bearings on whether I wanted new or old teams. I plan to screw myself either way ^^
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2 more votes came in, basically sealing the deal for new teams. Still no votes for mckogle and Brownjesus, but at 10-4, the majority has already decided.
Original Message From Dingotrold:
Uhh... New teams.
Original Message From InToTheWannaB:
new teams
Please create a new team and search for "TeamLiquid Championship S1" on Blood Bowl and register your team. The password to join is "fastexpand"
I'm hoping to PM an admin and request this thread be renamed. With new teams, "Open Cup #1" teams are not allowed to join any future leagues. However, when next season rolls around, teams from this season will continue in to it. It will be Championship Season 2. If you start a new team at this point, you'll just be seeded lower. Everything now is for real, though, and so while you're welcome to retire teams, I suggest you play something that you'll enjoy playing and developing.
As soon as everyone is registered, the league will start. If I have to extend MD1 for a day or two so that it recurs at an easy-to-remember weekly time, I will. Otherwise, no point to delay it, since we aren't waiting for Open Cup #1 to finish.
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good with new teams, cyanide somehow managed to crash my player account so a few teams got deleted, including the one from season1... and im pretty sure kogle would have voted for new teams as well, seeing he was not in the first season 
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Changed my mind and gonna give Lizards another go :p
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To anyone not active on IRC, let it be known that Brownjesus is having some account issues, of which are too strange to really bother explaining here. He planned on creating a team last night and hoping that these seemingly un-fixable issues would not become problematic, but his internet went out just then (to which he informed us via phone IRC). As soon as he creates a team we will get started.
Check the bottom of the OP, I've included a few rules/explanations in the spoiler tags. If there are any rules, situations or questions that you have, or issues I might have forgotten to mention, please let me know and I'll include them in the OP.
Edit: WE ARE LIVE!
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First Match vs Infernokoi, he wins 2-1 and i have 2 dead players to start of the league :D thats blood bowl folks
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On January 28 2011 00:08 Brownjesus wrote:
First Match vs Infernokoi, he wins 2-1 and i have 2 dead players to start of the league :D thats blood bowl folks
Haha, gogo blood bowl! I hope my game goes this well :p
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