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Nokarot
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 02:20:01
January 19 2011 13:10 GMT
#1
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SEASON OVER! UPDATED STANDINGS BELOW

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - STANDINGS - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Division 1	Win	Draw	Loss	Pts		TD+	TD-	+/-

potatoedoughnut 5 2 0 17 11 3 +8
Fallen 4 2 1 14 12 5 +7
mckogle 4 0 3 12 11 6 +5
mexicanhat 3 2 2 11 6 6 +0
Catyoul 2 3 2 9 16 11 +5
InToTheWannaB 2 3 2 9 6 6 +0
Ziktomini 1 2 4 5 4 13 -9
Skirn 0 0 7 0 1 17 -16

Division 2 Win Draw Loss Pts TD+ TD- +/-

Lorgoth 4 2 1 14 13 8 +5
Brownjesus 3 3 1 12 13 9 +4
Lyter 2 4 1 10 8 7 +1
Megelrov 2 4 1 10 10 8 +2
Dingotrold 2 3 2 9 7 7 +0
Stormtrout 2 3 2 9 3 3 +0
EezyBasH 2 1 4 7 6 11 -5
Nokarot 1 0 6 3 5 12 -7

+ Show Spoiler [Misc/WO Results] +
For the purposes of promotion/demotion and any removals from the league, anything in this spoiler may come in to play. Any touchy situations at which they may affect the standings will be discussed between everybody on the BB Admin team. Don't miss games and there are no worries!

Division 1	2-0	0-2	0-0	1-1	Pts		Substitutes Used

potatoedoughnut 0 0 0 0 0 0
mckogle 0 1 0 0 0 0
Skirn 0 0 0 0 0 0
mexicanhat 0 0 1 0 1 0
InToTheWannaB 1 0 2 0 5 0
Fallen 0 0 0 0 0 0
Ziktomini 0 0 1 0 1 0
Catyoul 0 0 0 0 0 0

Division 2 2-0 0-2 0-0 1-1 Pts Substitutes Used

Lorgoth 1 0 0 0 3 0
Brownjesus 0 0 0 0 0 0
Megelrov 0 1 0 0 0 0
Lyter 0 0 1 0 1 0
Nokarot 1 1 0 0 3 0
Stormtrout 1 0 1 0 4 0
EezyBasH 0 1 0 0 0 0
Dingotrold 1 0 1 0 4 1

Drop-Outs 2-0 0-2 0-0 1-1 Pts Substitutes Used

StorkHwaiting 0 1 1 0 1 0


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - OFFICIAL PLAYER LIST - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


  GMT  TL Name          Coach Name       Race         Team Name

Division 1

-06 potatoedoughnut potatoedoughnut Undead Abracadaver
+01 mckogle mckogle Dark Elves Black Rebel Football Club
-06 Skirn Skirn Vampires The Hypnotic Hemomages
+03 mexicanhat mexicanhat Dwarves Trap Card!
-05 InToTheWannaB InToTheWannaB Human Rolling Wells
-05 Fallen fallenfrog Necromantic Dark ascension
00 Ziktomini Ziktomini Chaos Pink Fluffy Demons
+01 Catyoul Cataflam Wood Elves Can't Touch This

Division 2

+01 lorgoth Lorgoth Necromantic Epidemic Delivers
+01 Brownjesus Brownjesus Dark Elves Jesus was Brown
+01 Megelrov Dr.Frederik Skaven Special Circumstance
00 Lyter Infernokoi Lizardmen Let's Try Again
-05 Nokarot Nokarot1 Goblins The Future Casualties
+00 Stormtrout Stormtrout Nurgle Fiddlesticks
+01 EezYBasH eezyBash Orcs teh EZBashORZ
+01 dingotrold dingotrold Wood Elves Immortal Artists



- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - TOURNAMENT FORMAT - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Teams from Open Cup #1 are not eligible to join, nor will they be for future seasons. Next season will have continued teams (no matter what) where teams from this season can move on.

2 divisions of 8 players, 1 game per week - NO PLAYOFFS
Matchdays are held Tuesday 00:00 to Monday 23:59 EST (GMT-5).

Consider this a pre-season that determines the seeding for the future. Our seeding is random this time, but next season, Division 1 will be considered the high division and Division 2 the low division. The top 4 of Division 2 will take the bottom 4 of Division 1's places. If we choose to increase the number of slots in Season 3, this may be reconsidered.



- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - RULES - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Use common sense. Be active in playing and scheduling your games. Most importantly, have fun, and don't ruin the fun for others. It's as simple as that. The power I have as a league admin is very limited- all the game client allows me to do is reset games and set scores, both of which won't replicate the results of playing a real game. Admin-ruled games create insane results and are best avoided.

+ Show Spoiler [My opponent and I cant schedule] +
In the event that both players are actively seeking a time to which they can play the match, but their schedules just won't agree, it can be ruled as a 1-1 draw. To do this, you must contact Nokarot/Catyoul/potatoedoughnut and inform them of the scheduling issue.

A 1-1 game will receive the same spp as a 0-0 draw (used for auto-draws for inactive teams) but [we theorize] that touchdowns effect your seeding. Similarly, getting a 1-1 result will prove that you are not inactive, so we plee that you report un-schedulable games just to prove you're active.

+ Show Spoiler [My opponent won't respond to my PM] +
Contact Nokarot, Catyoul or potatoedoughnut and explain the situation. At the end of the match day, matches that aren't played are subject to a 0-0 draw. If your opponent hasn't contacted you and you properly inform an admin within a reasonable time period, we will award you a 2-0 victory and, further, reminds us that you are active. If you appear inactive, you won't be eligible for next season. It is vital you contact an admin to prove your active status.

+ Show Spoiler [My opponent didn't show up] +
Perhaps you scheduled your match for a specific time on a specific day and your opponent didn't show up. First thing you need to do is check the timezones of both you and your opponent and make sure the line up with the agreed upon time.

If you are assured that you were not in error, contact Nokarot/Catyoul/potatedoughnut and copy/paste the PM log between you and your opponent. If there is still time to play, send your opponent another PM and try to reschedule- but if you're contacted an admin and provided the PM log, you will be favored for a WO Victory if rescheduling fails.

+ Show Spoiler [Mid-game, my opponent disconnects] +
Cyanide is a piece of shit. It happens to everyone and it will happen to you. If BB drops a game that needs to be reset, contact an Nokarot/Catyoul/potatoedoughnut and ask for a reset. If you are winning, you may have to buck up and consider a re-game. You may ask your opponent to re-create the results, within reason, but be prepared to make a few concessions for the sake of ease.

In the case of casualties, they obviously can't be replicated, but you may be able to make a few free passes to mimic that spp gain. In cases like these, please try to reward the same player with the spp he received in the previous game, and not unfairly stack spp on a single player you wish to level.

If you or your opponent have to re-schedule due to a lack of time, do so. Don't let your hatred of Cyanide want to make you skip the game and go for a draw. If you outright refuse a re-game, it may be considered as a forfeit (unless timezones/schedules don't allow it, in which case a draw)

+ Show Spoiler [Can I use a substitute?] +
Admin-ruled games are unfair in one way or the other. Either two teams get screwed out of potential spp or one team gets screwed and the other gets overly-rewarded. Similarly, players from admin-ruled games don't suffer the risk of injuries, while everyone else in the league is spilling blood.

I want our matches to be played, and frankly, I don't care who plays them. Whether its somebody inside or outside the league, you are permitted to allow somebody to stand in for you and coach your team on your behalf. In doing so, you'll have to give somebody your account information, but you can always create a dummy password and reset it later.

You aren't required to have a substitute, but any played game is better than a ruled game. I encourage you to consider this if any scheduling issues arise. Whether you like them or not, all results will stand, but substitutes found abusing the team they're stepping in for will be banned.

I will be keeping count of how many times you use a substitute, to know whether or not you are an active player or simply finding a ringer on a weekly basis.


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Join the "TeamLiquid Open" league if you want to get in extra games! Password: proxygate

Join us at #TLBB on irc.quakenet.org, both to find open league opponents and for chit-chat!
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FrozenSolid
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland134 Posts
January 19 2011 13:23 GMT
#2
While I'd love to play in a league like this, I don't think I can manage a play schedule with people over the pond anyway so I guess I'm not losing anything due to no spots being open.

Instead, I think I'll root for anyone brave enough to play Vampires or Halflings. Bonus points for players with clever but not stupid names. Extra bonus points if those players actually become stars or legends.

If the players are willing to set it up, is there any chance we could get VODs of the finals/semis? I realize that since there is no replay functionality that the games would have to be recorded as they are played, which may not be possible to set up, but it would be fun to look over the important games when teams have already developed somewhat.
Sometimes it's better to be good than it is to be lucky and sometimes it's better to be lucky than it is to be good.
Nokarot
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1410 Posts
January 19 2011 13:29 GMT
#3
For Season 2, I can only hope that because we'll have a more active crew, the VODs and live games will continue on a regular basis again. If you were watching the Season 1 thread, you'll notice they kind of stopped as the activity dwindled down. I plan on urging people in the playoffs to stream/record those, though, at the very least.

Also, there is replay functionality :O You just have to load them up through Single Player. We used to use BBManager to store all of our replays and provide ladder/match statistics, but without everyone uploading them, it became meaningless.
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FrozenSolid
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland134 Posts
January 19 2011 13:37 GMT
#4
On January 19 2011 22:29 Nokarot wrote:
Also, there is replay functionality :O You just have to load them up through Single Player. We used to use BBManager to store all of our replays and provide ladder/match statistics, but without everyone uploading them, it became meaningless.


Well, live and learn. I guess I need to fool around more with LE to actually discover these things.

I completely missed season 1, in fact this is the first time I'm seeing a BB related topic on TL. It's cool that there's a scene for it here too.
Sometimes it's better to be good than it is to be lucky and sometimes it's better to be lucky than it is to be good.
Brownjesus
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark53 Posts
January 19 2011 13:53 GMT
#5
I have voted for doom!
I have many leatherbound books, and my house smells of rich mahogeny
Mexicanhat
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2 Posts
January 19 2011 14:14 GMT
#6
For Season 2, i would prefer to play 2 games a week. But ppl are Mb slacking to much :-P
I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
January 19 2011 14:22 GMT
#7
i would love to play in season 2, thanks for reserving a spot for me
should any more veteran player be in need of a spot for this, i am also willing to give up my spot

Also, BLOOD BOWL FIGHTIIING
potatoedoughnut
Profile Joined July 2008
United States334 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-22 02:12:47
January 19 2011 14:36 GMT
#8
I'm looking forward to S2, the end of S1 with so many inactives is a bummer. I hope that with the smaller league we have a closer and more active community.

For the polls I voted "don't care / no draft." I want to continue my team, but am ok starting over fresh. I don't really like draft, but if my options are draft or no BB I'd play in a draft. I think 1 game per week will keep people more enthusiastic about playing, and I prefer 2divs for shorter seasons. It will mix things more frequently and if you get ruined early you don't have to wait so long to restart.

Another thing we had discussed is a smaller intro league for new people to get a taste for the game. This would be a couple new people and a couple of "teacher" type vets. One problem I think we had last season was excited people who didn't really know a lot about BB. Some of them just straight didn't like it, and I think some others just didn't understand quite how the game plays. Both of these lead to inactive players and vacancies. A short intro league could be a chance to introduce new players to the game/league without negatively impacing the league if they decided they didn't want to play.

I'd be willing to run the mini-league if there is interest. Just post in the thread or send me a PM.

I'm also planning on streaming my finals game(s). I'll post in the S1 thread when I know who I am playing and we arrange a time/date.


edit: since we're redoing vote I voted for continued teams.
Eagles may soar, but weasels do not get sucked into jet engines.
Megelrov
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark95 Posts
January 19 2011 14:43 GMT
#9
I vote that i should be made king of blood bowl!
Brownjesus
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark53 Posts
January 19 2011 16:59 GMT
#10
good idea with a intro league mr. doughnut could make sure that the hardcore BloodBowlers only get through to the tournament of doom!
I have many leatherbound books, and my house smells of rich mahogeny
Dingotrold
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark622 Posts
January 19 2011 17:04 GMT
#11
On January 19 2011 23:43 Megelrov wrote:
I vote that i should be made king of blood bowl!


:D

I am ready to play ^^

Draft is awesome! But I suck with most of the teams, so don't really care...
Soft is the blade that is the heart || 万歳!
potatoedoughnut
Profile Joined July 2008
United States334 Posts
January 19 2011 17:08 GMT
#12
Not everyone has to be super hardcore I like that our league is pretty laid back and not super competitive.

BB just isn't for everyone, and this would be a good way to give a taste without having to jump in the deep end. It can also get some spp on new teams for the main league for people with new teams (either new players or restarts for existing players).
Eagles may soar, but weasels do not get sucked into jet engines.
Brownjesus
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark53 Posts
January 19 2011 17:11 GMT
#13
On January 20 2011 02:08 potatoedoughnut wrote:
BB just isn't for everyone, and this would be a good way to give a taste without having to jump in the deep end. It can also get some spp on new teams for the main league for people with new teams (either new players or restarts for existing players).


I will say i am not here for play play, i will win! of doom.... :D
I have many leatherbound books, and my house smells of rich mahogeny
ratone
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil6 Posts
January 19 2011 18:08 GMT
#14
I read TL a lot but never posted here before. I bought this game a while back, enjoyed it, but never really learned how to play it (I got stomped pretty much every game I played online lol). I really like the Idea of an intro-league!
Nokarot
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 18:21:09
January 19 2011 18:20 GMT
#15
I, personally, do not have the energy to run both this league and a separate intro league, but I welcome somebody else to start that up if there is enough interest, and would also welcome teams coming from the intro league to the main league to carry over in the event of a continued-team league.
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Mckogle
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1 Post
January 19 2011 19:35 GMT
#16
I would like to join the league for this season.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 19:47:57
January 19 2011 19:47 GMT
#17
Nice to see that Nokarot is continuing with this. I just recently got BB and I'd love to play with some TL guys. Is there still an IRC channel up where I could find someone to play with/give me some tips?

Edit: Maybe I'll join Season 3 or the intro league when they start up.
lorgoth
Profile Joined March 2010
161 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 20:45:18
January 19 2011 20:29 GMT
#18
Hello,
Im up for season 2 but i wanna tell some thing.

First starting new teams every season has no sense in BB becouse some teams are good from start (dwarfs, orcs, undead all elves teams) and some are not (chaos, nurgle, ogre and many more). So at the end we will have small team pool in league.

Good league should be open for new players so in my opinion best league setup is like in all good BB leagues - leagues like in football - first (best players), second etc..... New players start in lower league - This working great in many experienced leagues like Orcacola etc.

Draft has no sense in long term leagues (noone wanna play team they dont like)

Playoffs - no sense becouse teams playing playoff games will have advantage - more games more spp.

So imho best is leaguee system - no draft no playoff with clear system of league advance into higher - lower league with keeping teams from season to season.

Thats all for now.

(if someone who think that should have and our comisioner Nokarot (thx mate for great season 1 handling - i impresed how well u did it) tell that its good i can give it too - im in the middle of phd writing and had bad snowboard accident with some broken bones 3 weeks ago so im like cripple atm)
Nokarot
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1410 Posts
January 19 2011 22:24 GMT
#19
On January 20 2011 05:29 lorgoth wrote:
Hello,
Im up for season 2 but i wanna tell some thing.

First starting new teams every season has no sense in BB becouse some teams are good from start (dwarfs, orcs, undead all elves teams) and some are not (chaos, nurgle, ogre and many more). So at the end we will have small team pool in league.

Good league should be open for new players so in my opinion best league setup is like in all good BB leagues - leagues like in football - first (best players), second etc..... New players start in lower league - This working great in many experienced leagues like Orcacola etc.

Draft has no sense in long term leagues (noone wanna play team they dont like)

Playoffs - no sense becouse teams playing playoff games will have advantage - more games more spp.

So imho best is leaguee system - no draft no playoff with clear system of league advance into higher - lower league with keeping teams from season to season.

Thats all for now.

(if someone who think that should have and our comisioner Nokarot (thx mate for great season 1 handling - i impresed how well u did it) tell that its good i can give it too - im in the middle of phd writing and had bad snowboard accident with some broken bones 3 weeks ago so im like cripple atm)


For the record, the intention was always to have continued teams in season 3. The only reason I wanted new teams for Season 2 is because of all the WOs, draws and crap that plagued Season 2 and, in my opinion, made it illegitimate. Season 3 will definitely have teams carrying over.

Draft was just a little cute idea, nothing that would need to be taken "seriously".

Playoffs, while I agree with you, so many people seem to be voting otherwise. Thus, its something we'll likely have to live with.
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Catyoul *
Profile Joined April 2004
France2377 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 23:06:07
January 19 2011 23:04 GMT
#20
I would like to use this occasion to thank Nokarot for running season 1. There was a big void after the first TL league stopped on the first match day, and he answered our needs with great care and patience.

I am favorable to keeping the current teams for the people who want to do so. We have played 13 games worth of spp, it would take almost 2 seasons with 8 people per division to get catch up to that, and with only 1 game a week, that would be 4 months "lost".

Also, I get it that the two divisions were quite different in composition, with division 1 being more light and division 2 more bashy, but that's the kind of thing that is going to happen anyway in a real league. Heck, in my Orca Cola division, we are 2 chaos teams surrounded by 8 fast teams. I might get injured a bit less than in a full bashy division (although considering how my games went, apparently not), but I also have pretty much no shot at winning in such a division. Another division in the same tier has something like 7 orc teams, 2 chaos and 1 wood elf. What I'm trying to say is it doesn't matter.

There were a lot of inactive players in division 2, so a lot of walkovers and adminned games, so I understand why some would prefer that. In division 1 however, most of us only had 1 walkover and 12 legitimate games. Ultimately, it's just pixels on the screen and it doesn't matter, but there is no real reason to scratch those efforts.

edit:

Obviously, even with the option to keep current teams, anyone is free to start a new team any season. For what it's worth, in the big Orca Cola league, I was favorable to have everyone restart from scratch when LE came out, but in the end it was decided to let people keep their teams.
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