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SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-12 10:27:56
December 12 2010 09:59 GMT
#61
On December 12 2010 18:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2010 18:51 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On December 12 2010 14:09 Mindcrime wrote:
On December 12 2010 13:40 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I want more spells, more skills (that are useful, unlike enchanting), not less!


Enchant was an extremely good skill in Morrowind. :/

Why would you level your enchant skill when you can just get a npc to enchant for you, without the chance of failure, unless you make +50000 luck potions so you can't fail. Enchant was a worthless skill, with very little applicable uses.

Can't you use potions to boost things to make insane enchantments? I'm not sure I didn't do too much enchanting in morrowind.

You can make insane potions, but not enchants, because you are still capped with the maximum enchant a weapon can hold. As far as I know enchant skill doesn't lower the enchant value of a stat so you can fit more in, and neither does int or luck. Also I'll edit in about some of the improvements that oblivion made.


On December 12 2010 17:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Oblivion made a lot of improvements compared to Morrowind.
Stealth was improved to incorporate lighting and such.
Physics made for some fun traps, and a lot of other stuff.
Bows were better with physics and poisons were a huge boost to marksmen characters and alchemists. Crossbows weren't really missed.
I didn't mind losing spears since there weren't enough of them anyway in Morrowind, so if you picked spear you were fucked. Blunt makes more sense than splitting up axes and maces or however it was. Medium armor is superfluous, I think.

I agree with all of this.
On December 12 2010 17:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Unarmored was kind of lame - the oblivion system of Shield spells and spell effectiveness made more sense I think. The idea of a character who gets less armor when he puts on a suit of armor makes no sense. Or if it does, the Oblivion way of that happening is a better way I think.

Unarmored had to do with casters using robes instead of armor. We all know wizards wear robes, and not a skin tight leather outfit. And why the hell can't I wear under clothes in oblivion?
On December 12 2010 17:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Blade needs to be seperated out to long and short, though. I think weapons should show their dps or at least attack speed or something. Thievy characters need short blades and warriors need long blades so it makes sense to seperate them. Meanwhile, there aren't any common character types that want medium armor rather than light or heavy, I feel.

I agree with this.
On December 12 2010 17:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Also, levitation would ruin combat because any character without a ranged attack couldn't hit you. And what does it add to the game? A little bit of fucking around?

Levitation is used more often for climbing terrain instead of running to the ceiling and raining down death (but don't you find that to be the most intelligent thing to do for a master wizard?). They can just make levitation cost a lot or require a lot of skill to use.
On December 12 2010 17:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Lockpicking minigame was better than morrowind lockpicking.

I fucking hated the Oblivion minigame, one fuck up and you have to do the whole thing over again. I love the fallout lockpicking though. Between morrowind and oblivion I prefered morrowind because of how much I hated oblivions game.
On December 12 2010 17:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Also they added mounts. Hopefully they add mounted combat in some form.

This would be an amazing change.
On December 12 2010 17:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Combat was way better when you couldn't hit something with a sword thirty times and do zero damage due to invisible dice rolls.

The other side to this is, I used a weapon with only 1 skill and no endurance (I can't even lift my arms I'm so tired), yet I can still hit someone? They really need to fix endurance, it played almost no part in oblivion, you could ignore it and play the game like it didn't exist.
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On December 12 2010 17:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Staves were kinda lame. I stayed away from them usually since recharging is expensive and you can often just use spells. They need to be changed somehow.

I enjoyed morrowind auto recharge over time, like an internal magical battery, rather than having to find someone to recharge your item or get soul gems and have soul trap every fucking time.
On December 12 2010 17:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Vivec was cool but a beyotch to navigate. No towns in Oblivion were that frustrating but they needed more differentiation. With all of Skyrim covered in snow, that could be a problem again. Hopefully, they make the towns look very different from the outside, and then they could feel different on the inside. The Oblivion cities are actually pretty differentiated, but it is subtle so it took me much play time before I began to appreciate it. Morrowind is pretty in your face about it, with tree towns, and crabshell mansions, and fortress towns, and Vivec.

ALL morrowind towns are incredibly confusing.

On December 12 2010 17:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Regenerating magika was welcome for me. Fast travel is essential - I had to use coc codes all the time in Morrowind. Casting was better than in Morrowind although I think you are right on that they should add "haste" or maybe make willpower control cast speed or something like that.

I found that in oblivion I would just skip everything I could, and run in a straight line to my next quest target after fast traveling to the nearest place I've visited. I pretty much ignore the majority of the map (and the game). Willpower is also pretty useless (mana regen WOW).
On December 12 2010 17:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
One/two handed spell casting? Meh.

I'm going to cast my uber spell that does 1000 damage in a 100 yard radius, and I don't even need to put away my sword, aren't I a badass. This isn't about making combat easier or more interesting, but more interactive. Run up, cut them to death. Run backwards, fire arrows/spells. That's combat in TES, and it's boring as hell. I hope they try and make combat better somehow, because exploring and storyline are only so entertaining to a point.

On December 12 2010 17:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
There are some epic stories in Oblivion, like the thieves guild questline. The quest design got a lot better in Oblivion compared to Morrowind, with a quest based on The Most Dangerous Game, some great daedric quests, the painting quest and the dream quest. A lot of surprising and memorable ones.

I enjoyed sneaking into the capital and stealing an elder scroll to break the curse on the gray foxes mask. It was intense! I also enjoyed doing quests for the different god people, but I also enjoyed shrine raiding in morrowind.
On December 12 2010 17:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
It's a bit weird but I like the fencing better in Oblivion. Morrowind was just stupid because as soon as you sell something that ticks off the buyer you just hit f5.

You just summed up a majority of how to play TES or Fallout.

On December 12 2010 17:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Skyrim seems to make the most sense. I like the Khajiit so I would have rather played in Elsweyr, or Black Marsh, or Valenwood, or Summerset Isle... but Skyrim is better than rehashing Hammerfell or High Rock or gosh forbid Cyrodil. I've started reading up on Skyrim lore and it's actually pretty interesting. You can anticipate the Falmer (snow elves) filling a role similar to the dwemer in morrowind and the aylieds in Oblivion. Also, there are Greybeards which could do something similar to Moth Priests.

Why the fuck couldn't I wear boots as a Khajiit in morrowind? Less armor because I want to be a furry, what's this shit?
And why is it I can shoot someone in the back, kill them, and the person right beside him doesn't even respond? Sure, he doesn't know where I am (though he can guess from the direction of the arrow), but he doesn't even notice? Come on. I want him to run and cower in a corner, or run around searching for me, instead of standing around while I pick off a group of bandits one by one and the dead bodies flopping down beside them isn't even noticed.

Hopefully they add a faction type thing, there are 10 races I believe, why can't I make a racist character?

Skyrim hopefully is epic. And huge.
clayn
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany444 Posts
December 12 2010 10:13 GMT
#62
this news is like christmas and easter at the same day for me <3
vetinari
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia602 Posts
December 12 2010 10:16 GMT
#63
Yeah, you could enchant 100% chameleon and get god mode :D

Wait, 5 years with no new console? Its been that long already? Bloody hell, dementia at age 23.

That reminds me of a joke I heard, "The doctor speaks to a woman, "Madam, there has been a mix up at the pathology clinic. They have mixed up your husband's blood sample with that of another man. However, the news is bad. Either your husband has alzheimers or he is HIV positive. So, I recommend that you take your husband to the middle of town, drop him off and if he makes it home, don't sleep with him."
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 12 2010 10:29 GMT
#64
On December 12 2010 19:16 vetinari wrote:
Yeah, you could enchant 100% chameleon and get god mode :D

Wait, 5 years with no new console? Its been that long already? Bloody hell, dementia at age 23.

That reminds me of a joke I heard, "The doctor speaks to a woman, "Madam, there has been a mix up at the pathology clinic. They have mixed up your husband's blood sample with that of another man. However, the news is bad. Either your husband has alzheimers or he is HIV positive. So, I recommend that you take your husband to the middle of town, drop him off and if he makes it home, don't sleep with him."


why wouldn't they just do another blood tesT?
Lord_of_Chaos
Profile Joined June 2007
Sweden372 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-12 10:37:30
December 12 2010 10:32 GMT
#65
There were a few things that I disliked about Oblivion compared to Morrowind, which still makes me go back and play through morrowind again but not Oblivion.
- Oblivion was too normal. Morrowind felt like another world, while Oblivion felt like a mainstream fantasy book.
- Enemy leveling, loot leveling etc. Felt stupid to own up the arena on level 3. Was annoying to get legendary loot on low level only to realise it was worthless after a few more hours of playing.
- Everything was too easily accessible. Remember vampires in morrowind? Compared to vampirism in oblivion. That pretty much sums that point up.
- NPCs trying to act like normal ppl but failing so hard it was better in Morrowind when they didn't even try. I don't get this feeling in New Vegas though, so there's hope.
- Guild quest lines. Felt like in oblivion you became the big shot right away after joining a guild, destined to save them or something. In morrowind you actually had to work yourself up the ranks, which I really preferred.
- The cities in morrowind had much more character.
- Too much focus on quality over quantity. Sounds weird, I know. But every quest in a guild or random quest doesn't have to be big and epic, that just feels weird and unrealistic, breaks suspension of disbelief for me.
- Oblivion's minigames for persuasion and lockpicking.. horrible.

That said, there were still stuff in Oblivion that was better. But that was mainly technical and graphic wise. Obviously combat was improved a lot, graphics, and all the really cool physics. Also not being attacked by some damn flying critters every damn place you went really improved the game.

So it should be pretty obvious what I hope for with ES V. Everything morrowind was with the engine of oblivion. Hopefully though, they might surprise and make it ever better. Playing new vegas now and it's really giving me hope. I dislike the choice of Skyrim though, would have preferred something more exotic. Snow isn't exactly exotic to me... *looks out through window*. Silt striders on the other hand.. exotic shit.
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
December 12 2010 10:51 GMT
#66
A whole year to wait T.T
Betrayed by EG.BuK
WiljushkA
Profile Joined March 2006
Serbia1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-12 11:38:33
December 12 2010 11:36 GMT
#67
On December 12 2010 12:36 Squeegy wrote:
I don't know why I think this is quite exciting news. Oblivion was so bad and Fallout 3 wasn't much of an improvement. I guess there is always hope.


same. cant help but be an elder scrolls fan.
also im disappointed that they're using the same tech they used in fo3 and obl. now that gamebryo and its owner firm finally died, i was hoping they'd swap over to the id engine.
"As much as I love the image of me F5-ing paypal every 15 minutes while fist pumping and screaming "SHIP THE MONEY BITCHES"" - Day9
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 12 2010 11:40 GMT
#68


Remember to take all Skyrim hype videos with a grain of salt.
WiljushkA
Profile Joined March 2006
Serbia1416 Posts
December 12 2010 12:15 GMT
#69
god that vid reminds me how fucking awful all the faces in recent bethesda games look. stupid gamebryo, cant belive they're keeping it.
also, how bland do the exteriors look with absolutely no dynamic shadows on environment. so artificial.
"As much as I love the image of me F5-ing paypal every 15 minutes while fist pumping and screaming "SHIP THE MONEY BITCHES"" - Day9
oN_Silva
Profile Joined October 2009
197 Posts
December 12 2010 12:35 GMT
#70
oblivion was by far the best elder scrolls and Its nice they'll try to build up on that.
lynx.oblige
Profile Joined August 2009
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
December 12 2010 12:48 GMT
#71
Huge, huge fan of Elder Scrolls series. Glad to see they didn't dump it or anything. A year is much too long of a wait!
Everyone needs a nemesis.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
December 12 2010 12:54 GMT
#72
Let's see if Bethesda can get over their ugly character models in their 5th attempt or something.

As for the rest, I've half a mind to wait 1 year before buying any of their games, and then as soon as I get it head over to Nexus and download 2 gigs worth of mods that will actually make the game good.

TES community = awesome.

alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2771 Posts
December 12 2010 13:02 GMT
#73
Bethesda really, really needs to remove the level scaling system. It makes your efforts in leveling up seems pointless. Not only the monsters, but also the NPCs like city guards. In Oblivion if you start a fight with the guards, prepare to get your ass handed down to you. The guards are ALWAYS superior to you no matter how powerful you are. Makes you wonder why Cyrodil needs heroes like you when city guards are this strong. Only in mods like OOO you can defeat the guards. It's fun being able to freely choose what you do and beat down some pesky security guys who get in your way
KT Violet 1988 - 2012
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
December 12 2010 13:05 GMT
#74
Anyone else play TES with difficulty set to 100, and refuse to turn it down no matter what happens?
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
December 12 2010 13:56 GMT
#75
Don't have a PC that can run it, so might get for PS3.

The problem was that TES4:Obliv was so annoying without mods.... the leveling system was so stupid that you might as well not even level -_-
lynx.oblige
Profile Joined August 2009
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
December 12 2010 14:00 GMT
#76
On December 12 2010 22:05 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Anyone else play TES with difficulty set to 100, and refuse to turn it down no matter what happens?


Why yes, indeed. To great pleasure I might add.
Everyone needs a nemesis.
vlaric
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States412 Posts
December 12 2010 14:10 GMT
#77
hell, it's about time...
can't wait to see what kind of mods the community releases for ES5. i'm pretty sure bethesda has realized that the moddability of their games has probably been the no.1 factor in their longevity, so hopefully they continue the precedent that they've set over the past decade or so!

definitely will be saving up for a money bomb so that i can get the best comp gear right before the game comes out, too.
Wannabe zerg player
donkkk
Profile Joined December 2010
44 Posts
December 12 2010 14:27 GMT
#78
never liked oblivion, morrowind on other hand is in top5 of my favourite games
reQ
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom45 Posts
December 12 2010 14:40 GMT
#79
Sweeeet
11/11/11.. Dammit
~
n3f
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada46 Posts
December 12 2010 14:58 GMT
#80
Anyone who thinks Oblivion is bad just hates video games and should stop playing them now. That game was amazing and same with Morrowind all other games that come out focus on how much money they can sucker out of people and those two games were so fun. Fallout sucked but Oblivion is my favorite game hands down.
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