EPTNBA 2010-2011 Season - Page 93
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Zim23
United States1681 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On February 22 2011 16:01 zulu_nation8 wrote: idk i'd be pretty happy if CP3 came, so happy I'd forgive Dolan for everything. I agree with everything especially the worse defense part which tilts me so hard. But signing Carmelo at the end of the season was probably not an option cuz it seemed like it was either NY or NJ before the trade deadline. Toney Douglas is a pg but he just has awareness issues. Even CP3 isn't going to be able to make the Knicks play the elite level of defense they'd need. Dwight Howard being a Center and dominant defender might be the best hope for the Knicks to get a chip. Toney Douglass is listed as a PG but he's more of a Shooting Guard which is the problem with the Knicks rotation. | ||
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pinkranger15
Philippines1597 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
If the Knicks did this deal for Lebron or Wade no one would bat an eyelash, but Melo isn't on their level. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
Yes their defense still sucks (which was their main problem to begin with) but having a guy like Billups can only help in that regard, and still is a good 3 pt shooter at his old age (probably even better than Felton), who really isn't anything that special to begin with. I truly do think D'Antoni's system is made for PG and that helped him pad his numbers this season. Chandler is good, but they would have had to give him up either way if they got Anthony and Anthony>Chandler any time, any day. Brewer and Balkman are not bad additions and they did get rid of Eddy Curry (after trying for 5 years lol). They really do need a center though as Turiaf starting at that position is almost a joke. There are definitely better teams in the East, it is possible even the Hawks are still better, but this deal isn't really meant to pay off this year. The team they had this year before the trade was okay at best, definitely not championship material. This at least puts them in the hunt to do that in the next few years if they make some right moves. The players they lost are not that hard to replace, but they will need players that want to play defense for sure. With this said, I do think the Nuggets still got a better deal than expected but the Knicks did what they had to do if you ask me. edit; and you are right Ace, the thing with lebron and wade is that they both love to pass, which is not really a part of Melo's game | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
There are definitely better teams in the East, it is possible even the Hawks are still better, but this deal isn't really meant to pay off this year. The team they had this year before the trade was okay at best, definitely not championship material. This at least puts them in the hunt to do that in the next few years if they make some right moves. I think if the Knicks snag Dwight Howard and some bench players this deal ends up ok. Anything else and it's a bust just because they have to fix that defense and depth. Part of me is just upset that this franchise just always seems to get it wrong when it comes to building a contender in the last 15 years. The Knicks Front Office is a damn joke. And I hear they want Isaiah Thomas back. GOD DAMN. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
I did read somewhere that he was Chris paul's PG idol though, so if that is the angle they want to take it kind of makes sense but other than that c'mon really? | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On February 22 2011 14:16 a176 wrote: like what ppl were saying with deron and sloan ... the league is truly fucked up ... players have more sway than ever and its a poison to the sport. I've swung firmly from a Deron fan to the Deron hate club, but I think it's fair for players to choose where they want to go in free agency. Outing the cornerstone of a franchise is a different matter. Professional basketball players are workers. Workers should be able to choose where they want to work (although trying to get out of their contractual obligations is a bit iffier). Compared to other businesses, the player/workers mean so much more to the businesses. Is Chauncey going to stay or can he get bought out and go back to his hometown? He's probably too old to wait for the Knicks to make a run. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
Is Ginobili or Tony Parker a clear cut Hall of famer, or did everyone conveniently forget about the Spurs (as usual)? Detroit, who's their clear cut 2 Hall of Famers? Consider Gasol before he got traded for Kwame Brown, was he a clear cut Hall of Famer? Or maybe Derek Fisher's the Hall of Famer with Kobe? If Tim Donaghy hadn't messed up the Heat/Mavs final, who are the two Hall of Famers on the Mavs that year (was pre-Kidd)? So the lack of 2 hall of famers made it inevitable that the Mavs couldn't win their 4th game? If Jason Kidd wins against the Spurs in game 7, is Kenyon Martin his fellow future Hall of Famer? I hate these so-called analysts sometimes. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Having an All-Star or Hall of Famer increases your chances by a lot - but the best TEAM wins at the end of it all. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
the knicks are building for the future. for a fanbase that has waited more than a DECADE for a top team, having a foundation of melo+amare+possibly cp3 is just great news. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14894 Posts
On February 22 2011 17:11 Ace wrote: Well I think they mean All-Stars and not Hall of Famers but I agree with your sentiment. Having an All-Star or Hall of Famer increases your chances by a lot - but the best TEAM wins at the end of it all. I mean, I hate this theory because generally if you have 2 all stars on your team that means your team IS better because you have better players No kidding there's a correlation between the two >< | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On February 22 2011 16:53 MassHysteria wrote: Lol definitely, they haven't really been good since Patrick Ewing and Houston were playing at MSG. They have made so many terrible moves. And I really don't understand wanting Isaiah back wtf?? It's so funny. I did read somewhere that he was Chris paul's PG idol though, so if that is the angle they want to take it kind of makes sense but other than that c'mon really? That would be the only reason they would want him back. But Thomas said he could persuade Lebron too so.. I think there's little debate he has been the worst NBA exec in the past 10 years. | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
1. The trade doesn't seem terrible to me for NY. NY is a big market city with a fanbase that has been craving superstar talent for a long time. Melo, however you choose to value him, is a superstar talent and has the public persona, marketability and popularity to fit that team. There are only so many players in the league that fit those requirements, and the Knicks couldn't afford to miss out on this chance after doing so with Lebron and Wade. 2. When considering Melo's deficiencies on defense, I think you have to consider the system they have in place in NY. People talking about how the trade is terrible because the team's defense is going to be terrible are ignoring the fact that D'Antoni and his system are in place there and no one can make SSOL teams good defensively. I think the best you can hope for is average to slightly-above-average defense with great offense, and that's obviously what the Knicks want since they're sticking with their coach and his system. I can't say that I'm all that surprised since the end goal is to sell tickets and entertain their fans, which the SSOL system does very well. 3. In my opinion, Felton, Galo and Chandler are good role players, but that's about it. Galo has the potential to be something more, but I think we've already seen the best of Felton and Chandler. None of them should be 1st or 2nd options on a team, particularly Felton. Trading them all for Melo, while probably being a bit too much, isn't that bad a deal in my eyes. They're much more replaceable than Melo, and the combination of the big market, the attraction of playing in NY (which I still don't understand in light of the lack of actual NBA success there), and playing with two legitimate superstars in Melo and Amare, makes it very likely that they could be replaced in the coming seasons. 4. The Knicks weren't going anywhere with their current roster, despite some of their success near the end of last season, this year or in the coming seasons. Felton is not an Allstar level talent, and neither are Galo or Chandler. All they had was Amare and a bunch of good role players, which is not enough to be a contender in the top-heavy East, particularly since Amare's game doesn't facilitate for others at all. Their starters were playing huge minutes, which is a terrible idea considering Amare's issues with both of his knees, and they were still stuck in the bottom half of their conference. Depth was terrible pre-trade and it will still be post-trade, but at least now they've got two superstars to use to attract talent with in the future instead of just one. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
No Cap Space No amount of solid shooters to spread the floor No back up point guard No defense Whether the Knicks think D'Antoni's system is exciting that is beside the point - their goal is to win championships. They have weakened their team - alot. Carmelo Anthony may be a superstar but his actual basketball ability, the major thing he is really good at when compared to other superstars is SCORING. That is all. So when you trade away 3 point shooters, you're 1 point guard, defensive role players - you have to get back a big time player. Carmelo isn't going to fix all of that and while those guys may be role players it is premature to say they weren't going to get better. This was the first year that Fields, Felton, Williams, and Amar'e were even on the team. We can suspect that they may be easily replaced but how is that going to make them better than they are now? A SSOL system with no Steve Nash, and Chauncey Billups who while a good Point Guard was not playing at the level Felton was. Where are the 3 point shooters to spread the floor? Who's playing transition defense for this team now? Is Carmelo going to play the kind of hustle defense you got from Chandler and Felton? If you subscribe to the idea that the East is top heavy, especially with Chicago, Boston, Miami, Milwaukee, and Orlando being ranked 1-5 in defensive efficiency then you know this trade makes New York even worse. Beating just one of these teams with a terrible defense was going to be hard - but going through TWO of them? Not happening. Also the Knicks don't even have the cap space to sign CP3 or Deron Williams (the same D-Will that said he never claimed he wanted to go to NYK). Amazing. | ||
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dcberkeley
Canada844 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
They do have a lot of $$ though. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
There's nothing to look forward to as a Knicks fan. PS - I am not a Knicks fan, but the very idea of Isiah coming back into this league on any level is disturbing. | ||
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Lori_ftw
Germany286 Posts
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