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city42
1656 Posts
On February 21 2011 14:01 a176 wrote: anyone watching ESPN? theyre doing this great docu on the yugoslav players and team. very enlightening edit here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_Brothers Yeah, it was part of the 30 for 30 thing. Petrovic was an absolute sniper...as good a shooter as Miller or Allen without question. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On February 21 2011 14:01 a176 wrote: anyone watching ESPN? theyre doing this great docu on the yugoslav players and team. very enlightening edit here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_Brothers manly tears were shed. must see film. ![[image loading]](http://assets.espn.go.com/media/motion/2010/0924/com_100924_30for30obtrailer.jpg) | ||
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pinkranger15
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
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Neverhood
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Ace
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crazeman
664 Posts
On February 22 2011 13:07 Ace wrote: not at all. Good job Knicks - gut your team just like that. Not even making it to the ECF. I felt like they definitely overpaid for him a little... I mean chances are you can get him for free when free agency rolls around next year since I didn't think anthony would actually agree to sign an extension with the nets. Amazing job by the nets to put the pressure up on the knicks. Honestly Denver made out like bandits considering that anthony was 100% certain to leave them in the off season and they received a nice package of players/picks in return. | ||
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hiyo_bye
United States737 Posts
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
On February 22 2011 13:11 crazeman wrote: I felt like they definitely overpaid for him a little... I mean chances are you can get him for free when free agency rolls around next year since I didn't think anthony would actually agree to sign an extension with the nets. Amazing job by the nets to put the pressure up on the knicks. Honestly Denver made out like bandits considering that anthony was 100% certain to leave them in the off season and they received a nice package of players/picks in return. The person that made out like a bandit was Melo. Got to where he wanted to be, without it costing him the $40-50 million he could potentially have lost if he went to free agency with the new CBA looming. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Serendipityx
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37025 Posts
It will either be option A: Carmelo and Amare will dominate like crazy B: Carmelo and Amare will dominate individually but Knicks will be troubled by the fact that their two great starters can't share the ball C: Carmelo and Amare will work great but not enough to make it in to playoffs D: Carmelo will overshadow Amare E: Amare will overshadow Carmelo F: Knicks who? | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On February 22 2011 13:15 hiyo_bye wrote: I'm not sure what to think about this trade, as a New Yorker. I liked the younger guys: Gallon felton and chandler i would be pissed as hell. NY 6th in standings thanks to a GREAT roster ... i mean compared to the names you hear on boston, miami, orlando ... NY roster pulled some great games together and is [was] one of the most exciting teams to watch in the east. while its true, you've got billups, amare, and melo on the starting lineup now .... but this move was a big fuck-you to those players and all the work they did. just to get melo. like what ppl were saying with deron and sloan ... the league is truly fucked up ... players have more sway than ever and its a poison to the sport. | ||
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kakaman
United States1576 Posts
![[image loading]](http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0218/nba_melo_knicks_war.jpg) Knicks had no choice, Melo was gonna get $65 either way. Still, how can you say the Knicks overpaid when the players they are giving up are going to be marginal at best? They can replace those guys easily during the offseason | ||
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crazeman
664 Posts
On February 22 2011 14:03 zulu_nation8 wrote: This is an awful trade for the Knicks. Dolan is for sure banking on CP3. I like Balkman but the rest are scrubs. Felton stats are really padded this year because of NY's system but Gallo + Chandler both have lots of potential, it just sucks they play the same position. Anthony Randolph/Shawne Williams will get minutes now. The Knicks are also shipping Anthony Randolph to the wolves. | ||
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Zim23
United States1681 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On February 22 2011 14:41 kakaman wrote: Knicks had no choice, Melo was gonna get $65 either way. Still, how can you say the Knicks overpaid when the players they are giving up are going to be marginal at best? They can replace those guys easily during the offseason no they cant. Replacing that much production is going to be ridiculously difficult. First of all Raymond Felton was a legit starting point guard. Padded stats for sure but he was an awesome defender and we know he was great in Charlotte. He also was a good 3pt shooter - a big hole in the new roster mind you. The problem with this trade is that the Knicks got gutted in several major ways which I have been breaking down to various people over the last few hours. 1.) The Knicks while being a 6th seed with this roster had a lot going for it - a #1 option, a solid #2 in Felton or Gallo, a bench and a major steal in Landry Fields. People forget that this Knicks team was brand spanking new playing their first year together. They weren't a title contender but why gut the chemistry and success they were having? 2.) The Knicks have no bench. Nothing. No dominant 3 pt shooting. Gone. When Raymond Felton started to wear down in January it was because he was logging 40 minutes per game. The Knicks have no back up Point Guard because Toney Douglass is a shooting guard. The Knicks bench used to get slaughtered. Now?  3.) Chauncey Billups isn't better than Raymond Felton. Unfortunately Denver was already ranked #1 offensive by PPG in the league and were still 7th in the West. They are going to get killed in the East. And THAT Denver team had a ton of scorers and played little defense. What the hell do you think is going to happen here? 4.) Denver got a ton of young talent, draft picks, saved $$ and now instead of taking 3 years to rebuild can do it in one. The Knicks got Melo, Billups, Balkman, Shelden Williams and Corey Brewer from Minnesota. I think we all know who got the bad end of the deal here. 5.) The Knicks could have waited it out until the end of the season. Even if they do not get Melo (doubt it) - they still have a good team, cap space and FAs would want to play there. Really the Knicks while being a .500 team were on the way up as they could only get better. How much better was a big question but this trade set them back. Big time. 6.) There are only 3 players in the league I'd give up all those guys for, and maybe 2 more depending on what else comes with it: Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, Lebron James. That's it. Those 3 are all offensive juggernauts that are elite wing defenders while also being excellent rebounders and passers. Carmelo Anthony is probably the best scorer in the league, especially in ISO situations. Unfortunately that is pretty much where his value stops. 7.) Saw this on a report: The Knicks gave up 55.5 points per game and brought in 49.5 points per game. The numbers arent exact because this is from memory but you get the point - not only are they already a bad defensive team (20th in the league) but they are now 6 points per game worse offensively. While I highly doubt this will hold true it does make you question why they gave up so many pieces. 8.) Boston, Miami and Chicago are all still miles better. Even if Chris Paul, Deron Williams or Dwight Howard wanted to play in New York in 2012 the system this team runs is going to get them murdered. This trade was definitely one of the worst trades ever. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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