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On April 04 2011 10:23 Holcan wrote:
uhh, if i remember correctly Ben Gordon played so well in that series, he ended up getting over paid, and Kirk Heinrich is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. Please dont forget John Salmons (plays great under pressure) and Tyrus Thomas, they are very quality players.
lets look at 1-5 and how they matched up
rose - rondo = even
ben gordon/kirk hinrich - allen/house = even
john salmons - pierce = boston advantage
tyrus thomas - big baby = chicago advantage (at least athletically)
noah - perkins - chicago advantage
seems like a great matchup to me, mustve been why it had the most overtimes ever for a playoff series and went to 7 games.
Noah wasn't such a factor that playoff series and Brad Millar was starting Center. The Celtics also took Orlando who later went on to rep East in the Finals to a game 7 with no KG.
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On April 04 2011 10:23 Holcan wrote:
uhh, if i remember correctly Ben Gordon played so well in that series, he ended up getting over paid, and Kirk Heinrich is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. Please dont forget John Salmons (plays great under pressure) and Tyrus Thomas, they are very quality players.
lets look at 1-5 and how they matched up
rose - rondo = even
ben gordon/kirk hinrich - allen/house = even
john salmons - pierce = boston advantage
tyrus thomas - big baby = chicago advantage (at least athletically)
noah - perkins - chicago advantage
seems like a great matchup to me, mustve been why it had the most overtimes ever for a playoff series and went to 7 games.
holy shit...
Was that series the only time you watched that team?
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The Bulls were not a bad team, they were a young team. The Bulls have been the Packers of the nba, young, promising, hadn't gotten very far in the playoffs, and the people's bandwagon choice of the future.
Rose had a very good game 1 that Boston series, but didn't play exceptionally well after that. One of the wins was a Joakihm Noah steal which lead to a fast break dunk and 1, fouling out Paul Pierce, and a lot of the others were Ben Gordon heroics.
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Was first place in the standings from week 1 of regular season till the end, made it to the playoffs finals, just lost my finals matchup 1-8 because three of my guys got hurt and I for whatever reason decided to start Jodie Meeks over Jordan Crawford. H2h is so lame, not doing it again.
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On April 04 2011 12:07 sixghost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 10:23 Holcan wrote:
uhh, if i remember correctly Ben Gordon played so well in that series, he ended up getting over paid, and Kirk Heinrich is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. Please dont forget John Salmons (plays great under pressure) and Tyrus Thomas, they are very quality players.
lets look at 1-5 and how they matched up
rose - rondo = even
ben gordon/kirk hinrich - allen/house = even
john salmons - pierce = boston advantage
tyrus thomas - big baby = chicago advantage (at least athletically)
noah - perkins - chicago advantage
seems like a great matchup to me, mustve been why it had the most overtimes ever for a playoff series and went to 7 games. holy shit... Was that series the only time you watched that team?
I agree with this assessment.
Ty Thomas = Suck. Big Baby has been the best 6 man in the league the last 3 years save Odom and Manu.
Ben Gordon/Hinrich is worse than Allen alone. Hes a better defender than either and obviously a better scorer.
Salmons played way above his head in this series, which is why I made my comment earlier that Pierce is overrated. When you are (allegedly) a potential hall of famer, you do not get played straight up by John Salmons.
This series was before Noah started playing well. It was Brad Miller/Noah vs. Perkins.
The fact remains that without KG Boston was without an identity because Pierce is not a leader and Doc is not the great coach people have started imagining him as.
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On April 04 2011 12:32 igotmyown wrote:
The Bulls were not a bad team, they were a young team. The Bulls have been the Packers of the nba, young, promising, hadn't gotten very far in the playoffs, and the people's bandwagon choice of the future.
Rose had a very good game 1 that Boston series, but didn't play exceptionally well after that. One of the wins was a Joakihm Noah steal which lead to a fast break dunk and 1, fouling out Paul Pierce, and a lot of the others were Ben Gordon heroics.
sir...as a fan of the Bears and Bulls, i find this offensive and kindly ask you to commit seppaku for even comparing the Packers and the Bulls in any fashion. let's keep it NBA here....it can get ugly if you want to include that rag-tag ass bunch of lucky bastards in any convo here.
Bulls back then were a very young team w/ loads of potential for later on. Gordon STILL hasn't played to the level he did back then, Salmons same thing, Noah was still learning the NBA game, Hinrich provided steady D, and Rose played like a #1 draft pick w/ tremendous upside. the sad thing was they played that way w/ Vinny shackling Rose which is not good news for people playing the Bulls this year. but, as in all things, time will reveal everything.
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Vinny lost that series. Also that flagrant foul no call.
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On April 04 2011 12:07 sixghost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 10:23 Holcan wrote:
uhh, if i remember correctly Ben Gordon played so well in that series, he ended up getting over paid, and Kirk Heinrich is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. Please dont forget John Salmons (plays great under pressure) and Tyrus Thomas, they are very quality players.
lets look at 1-5 and how they matched up
rose - rondo = even
ben gordon/kirk hinrich - allen/house = even
john salmons - pierce = boston advantage
tyrus thomas - big baby = chicago advantage (at least athletically)
noah - perkins - chicago advantage
seems like a great matchup to me, mustve been why it had the most overtimes ever for a playoff series and went to 7 games. holy shit... Was that series the only time you watched that team?
No, hence why i added the notes about Thomas' athletic ability, and Salmons playing good in the spring (must be the weather for his knees eh gilbert?). Great players? no, but they were certainly balling that series, enough to give them as much nod as Ben Gordon and Hinrich, pretty sure Salmons hit some clutch shots, and Thomas can defend (hi blocks)
On April 04 2011 12:39 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 12:07 sixghost wrote:On April 04 2011 10:23 Holcan wrote:
uhh, if i remember correctly Ben Gordon played so well in that series, he ended up getting over paid, and Kirk Heinrich is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. Please dont forget John Salmons (plays great under pressure) and Tyrus Thomas, they are very quality players.
lets look at 1-5 and how they matched up
rose - rondo = even
ben gordon/kirk hinrich - allen/house = even
john salmons - pierce = boston advantage
tyrus thomas - big baby = chicago advantage (at least athletically)
noah - perkins - chicago advantage
seems like a great matchup to me, mustve been why it had the most overtimes ever for a playoff series and went to 7 games. holy shit... Was that series the only time you watched that team? I agree with this assessment. Ty Thomas = Suck. Big Baby has been the best 6 man in the league the last 3 years save Odom and Manu. Ben Gordon/Hinrich is worse than Allen alone. Hes a better defender than either and obviously a better scorer. Salmons played way above his head in this series, which is why I made my comment earlier that Pierce is overrated. When you are (allegedly) a potential hall of famer, you do not get played straight up by John Salmons. This series was before Noah started playing well. It was Brad Miller/Noah vs. Perkins. The fact remains that without KG Boston was without an identity because Pierce is not a leader and Doc is not the great coach people have started imagining him as.
Big Baby, best 6th man? past 3 years? obviously you missed the year that he was a starter? outside of that he wasnt their 6th man 3 years ago, it was James Posey, and forgot that JR Smith, Jordan Crawford, and Jason Terry exist, at least Tyrus can dunk.
Okay, i agree Allen is a boss, and an underrated defender, but Ben Gordon made some clutch shots, and Hinrich was his defensive sub, House was added because he is so abysmal i thought he might bring down Allens integrity so much, you outsmarted me here.
Salmons, yes he played over his head, but he still played sick, he played sick last year for the Bucks down the stretch too, you cant explain that?!?
You even further prove my point that chicago had extensive depth down low vs perkins, Noah was definitely raw, but he could still ball, and Brad Miller has mid range game. I was going to leave Brad Miller out of it for the sake of arguments, but i guess the taste in your mouth is still fresh, much like Brad's when he took those foul shots (and missed).
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On April 04 2011 12:39 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Was first place in the standings from week 1 of regular season till the end, made it to the playoffs finals, just lost my finals matchup 1-8 because three of my guys got hurt and I for whatever reason decided to start Jodie Meeks over Jordan Crawford. H2h is so lame, not doing it again.
i experienced the bitter stench of second place too, last year ... sucks, i know.
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They were a mediocre jumpshooting team that shot themselves in and out of that series. That team couldn't play even the slightest bit of defense if their lives depended on it. Tyrus Thomas is AWFUL. I can't believe you mentioned his defense as a positive attribute. He was an awful defender that happened to have an astounding vertical leap which led to spectacular blocks. Unfortunately the rest of the game he would get torched, or give up an easy basket because he left his man to try and get a block. The Bulls would have taken a Davis for Tyrus trade in a moment. They dumped him for two warm bodies and a pick 2 years down the road.
Also, what depth are you referring to at center? Noah(who wasn't the player he is today, he's put on tons of muscle since then as well as actually having a post move), Brad Miller, who couldn't match up with Perkins if he wanted to, and...Aaron Gray?
Gordon and Salmons had career series. I wouldn't be surprised if they never come close to having a stretch of 7 games that compare.
The team wasn't dreadful, but they certainly didn't belong in a game 7 with that Celtics team, even if that team wasn't particularly great that year.
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Big Baby plays with a lot of heart, but he's not even close to the best 6th man. He's undersized, gets his shot blocked at a much higher rate than other players, can't guard length with a good shooting touch (Gasol), and at best developed a non-existent mid range game to a mediocre one.
His best quality other than his hustle is that he has good lateral movement and plays within the Celtics defensive system well (unlike powe). And I guess he can wall off players that can only dunk.
Gordon's great as long as he's not your primary scorer. But once you play/pay him like one, you're in for a disappointment.
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Please ask yourself why John Salmons had a career series.
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Best 6th man? Hmmm... maybe Brandon Roy? We all know what he's capable of and he's currently playing bench but definitely not like his old self. I'm just a biased Portland fan hoping he's still got it =D
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On April 04 2011 06:20 igotmyown wrote:
I'm going to bend my Derrick Rose moratarium and say it would be a lot easier if he averaged 10 assists a game. If he can be an MVP, how come all those point guards who had 10 assist years don't have MVP's? Ok, a lot due to his scoring, but shouldn't he be a better pure point guard than Nash/Paul/Will
because MVP is not decided purely on a player's stats. Rose is a score-first point guard because his team depends on his offensive abilities more than his playmaking skills. If you've seen Rose play these days, he usually tries to get his teammates involved in the beginning of the game... outside of Rose however, there's not many options in the offense. He's currently avging 25 ppg on 7.9 assists... that is pretty damn good if you ask me.
shouldn't he be a better pure point guard than Nash/Paul/Will
Rose is not a "pure point guard"... he's sort of like Iverson during his prime with the sixers. I think at this point in the season, Rose has proven that a point guard doesn't have to be a pure playmaker to be a successful point guard.
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On April 04 2011 07:22 Holcan wrote:
they didnt play the bulls last year, those are two years ago, rondo has only played rose once in his career. If you want to get technical he averaged 16/11/9.2 with 2.7 steals, so not technically a triple double, but 5 rebounds off :p. Still pretty decent numbers to throw down in the playoffs.
Uh...
why are you even comparing Rondo with Rose during that series when Rose didn't even guard him the whole time? And this was a third-year point guard who just won a title going up against a Rookie...
Rondo actually avged 19.4ppg on 43% shooting 11.5 apg 9.2 rpg, which is pretty damn good, but Rose avged 19.7ppg on 48.3% shooting 6.4apg 6.3 rpg which is not bad at all for a rookie.
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Can we stop comparing stats from 2 years ago?
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i never compared their stats, i only said Rondo had more under his belt, 5 rebounds off averaging a triple double for a series being one of my examples, i dunno why he went off on a rant.
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Michael Jordan is my favorite bball player, hes like in movies an shit.
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