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blizzind
United States642 Posts
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On March 31 2011 17:49 blizzind wrote: pretty obvious igotmyown is just making stuff up Uh huh, nobody's EVER mentioned that Chris Paul might be bad defender http://atthehive.wordpress.com/2008/04/13/is-chris-paul-bad-at-defense/ http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/4859/when-chris-paul-plays-defense http://sonicscentral.com/apbrmetrics/viewtopic.php?t=1749&sid=88fa7d87671676f15b9b81f4ca7ed518 http://www.hornets247.com/blog/2009/04/15/the-defense-of-chris-paul-what-a-difference-a-year-makes/ http://www.hornets247.com/blog/2008/04/15/the-defense-of-chris-paul/ | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
But you're retarded if you think PGs aren't most important on the offensive end. Aside from a few players that monopolize the offense on their team (Lebron/wade, Kobe, Dwight) a PG is the most important on any other team. There are very few players in the league that can bring up the ball well that don't play point. We aren't exclusively talking about championship teams here. The NBA is made up of 30 teams, not 5. Basketball isn't just what the top 5 teams in the league do. If you watch the suns play, you can see just how valuable a strong PG can be on offense. Nash is an offensive genius. And did you even read any of the articles you posted? 3 of the 5 are from the same guy. Here's a summary of them: 1) CP3 sucks on defense 2) CP3 is a lot better this year - above average now 3) maybe he never sucked at all? those steals make up for all his deficiencies and provide a net positive on his team The net result is actually an argument for his defensive strengths rofl | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On March 31 2011 19:38 igotmyown wrote: Uh huh, nobody's EVER mentioned that Chris Paul might be bad defender http://atthehive.wordpress.com/2008/04/13/is-chris-paul-bad-at-defense/ http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/4859/when-chris-paul-plays-defense http://sonicscentral.com/apbrmetrics/viewtopic.php?t=1749&sid=88fa7d87671676f15b9b81f4ca7ed518 http://www.hornets247.com/blog/2009/04/15/the-defense-of-chris-paul-what-a-difference-a-year-makes/ http://www.hornets247.com/blog/2008/04/15/the-defense-of-chris-paul/ As Doomsville said, did you actually read these articles? Only the Truehoop article really comes to the conclusion that Chris Paul is a bad defender. And OF COURSE! They use plus-minus as evidence....then this guy uses a one game sample size to critique Paul's defense against Tony Parker. Ladies and Gentlemen, Henry Abbott! | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On March 31 2011 23:51 DoomsVille wrote: I do agree with igotmyown. A PG is way less important on the defensive end. This is simply because on-the-ball defense at point is so hard. There isn't a guy in the league that can stop westbrook or ty lawson or a number of guys from blowing right by. They are just too quick. They can't stop each other either. A PGs job defensively is to force other PGs out of easy jumpers and to play help defense, play the passing lanes and grab those long pesky defensive rebounds (a bunch of things CP3 does well). But you're retarded if you think PGs aren't most important on the offensive end. Aside from a few players that monopolize the offense on their team (Lebron/wade, Kobe, Dwight) a PG is the most important on any other team. There are very few players in the league that can bring up the ball well that don't play point. We aren't exclusively talking about championship teams here. The NBA is made up of 30 teams, not 5. Basketball isn't just what the top 5 teams in the league do. If you watch the suns play, you can see just how valuable a strong PG can be on offense. Nash is an offensive genius. And did you even read any of the articles you posted? 3 of the 5 are from the same guy. Here's a summary of them: 1) CP3 sucks on defense 2) CP3 is a lot better this year - above average now 3) maybe he never sucked at all? those steals make up for all his deficiencies and provide a net positive on his team The net result is actually an argument for his defensive strengths rofl All the title contenders have multiple people who can take the ball up the court, the only real limit on a person being a ballhandler is that it is generally better for him to be young. Realistically 3/5 players on your team can usually bring the ball up the court, right now PG is just a position you have so you can take advantage the talented athletes who happen to be short. | ||
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Lori.
Germany97 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On April 01 2011 04:48 cLutZ wrote: All the title contenders have multiple people who can take the ball up the court, the only real limit on a person being a ballhandler is that it is generally better for him to be young. Realistically 3/5 players on your team can usually bring the ball up the court, right now PG is just a position you have so you can take advantage the talented athletes who happen to be short. Where are you getting 3/5 players bringing the ball up the court? You know how many teams would kill for multiple players to bring the ball up the court and initiate the offense? | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On April 01 2011 06:04 Judicator wrote: Where are you getting 3/5 players bringing the ball up the court? You know how many teams would kill for multiple players to bring the ball up the court and initiate the offense? While I totally disagree with Clutz, I think it would be a fun exercise to take a look at his claim. He says "contenders" so lets be fair and look at the top 4 teams from the East and West? I'll put the players that I think can bring the ball up the floor proficiently and I'll put a PG next to point guards. Also, I imagine there will be some pretty mediocre players on this list. Spurs: Tony Parker(PG), Manu Ginobli, Gary Neal(PG) Lakers: Derrick Fisher(PG), Kobe Bryant, Steve Blake(PG), Lamar Odom Mavericks: Jason Kidd(PG), Jason Terry, JJ Barea(PG), Roddy Beaubois(PG) Thunder: Russell Westbrook(PG), Eric Maynor(PG), James Harden Bulls: Derrick Rose(PG)...wow..he really is their offense. Celtics: Rajon Rondo(PG), Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Carlos Arroyo(PG) Heat: Mike Bibby(PG), Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, Mike Miller, Mario Chalmers(PG) Magic: Gilbert Arenas(PG), Jameer Neslon(PG), Chris Duhon(PG) So...depending how you look at it, I guess there are quite a few players who can "bring the ball up the floor." But a lot of these guys are not dudes you want on the floor all day and many of the non-point guards are star players. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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FQD1911
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On April 01 2011 03:14 slyboogie wrote: As Doomsville said, did you actually read these articles? Only the Truehoop article really comes to the conclusion that Chris Paul is a bad defender. And OF COURSE! They use plus-minus as evidence....then this guy uses a one game sample size to critique Paul's defense against Tony Parker. Ladies and Gentlemen, Henry Abbott! Congratulations on using aggressive language and immediately rejecting any information which might not conform to your worldview. Unlike you, I was intellectually honest enough to include articles which also sought to look at it objectively even if it might not support the claim. Because I'm inclined to be objective about it and show that there is skepticism about Chris Paul's defensive ability, whereas you seek to bury and dismiss all disagreeable evidence. Hopefully someone found something interesting in how they looked at his numbers, as opposed to what you offered: Chris Paul is a great defender! Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong! | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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TheMusiC
United States1054 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
 ...and if anyone was an idiot it was Terry, not Barnes who was sticking up for his teammate, unlike Terry who acted like a little punk. Terry just made the dumb move of motivating the Lakers even more if they face off in the 2nd round. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On April 01 2011 08:43 igotmyown wrote: Congratulations on using aggressive language and immediately rejecting any information which might not conform to your worldview. Unlike you, I was intellectually honest enough to include articles which also sought to look at it objectively even if it might not support the claim. Because I'm inclined to be objective about it and show that there is skepticism about Chris Paul's defensive ability, whereas you seek to bury and dismiss all disagreeable evidence. Hopefully someone found something interesting in how they looked at his numbers, as opposed to what you offered: Chris Paul is a great defender! Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong! It wasn't aggressive. I'm going to assume that you read my post, got angry and posted that - I think that you overreacted. Please don't resort to intellectual martyrdom, I'm not trying to burn your books and slaughter your scholars...I respect you opinion and was just trying to hate on Henry Abbott and the plus-minus stat. Sorry to have offended you. I still think Chris Paul is a great defensive player. EDIT: Lakers look fantastic. | ||
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Tiamat
United States498 Posts
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iKill[ShocK]
Vietnam3530 Posts
On April 01 2011 13:54 TheMusiC wrote: pretty dumb shit happening in this lakers-mavs game... terry shoves blake, barnes shoves down a mavs assistant coach (lol), 4 guys get ejected. ridiculous. barnes is an idiot Barnes did what he is suppose to do, be aggressive and tough as a brick. And to be fair the assistance coach was feeling up barnes from behind... | ||
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Kitetsu
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Miss_Cleo
United States406 Posts
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BalliSLife
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