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On October 08 2014 21:59 deth2munkies wrote:
Upon further reflection, Rest in Peace is probably the best hate card against them as it turns off Noxious Revival and Treasure Cruise, which heavily nerfs the consistency of the deck. If they fizzle more than once, it's likely they'll lose, and without those 2 cards it seems likely.
Slows it down barely.
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On October 08 2014 23:06 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 21:59 deth2munkies wrote:
Upon further reflection, Rest in Peace is probably the best hate card against them as it turns off Noxious Revival and Treasure Cruise, which heavily nerfs the consistency of the deck. If they fizzle more than once, it's likely they'll lose, and without those 2 cards it seems likely. Slows it down barely.
It also doesn't change the fact that if they untap with a creature they can kill you.
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Without Treasure Cruise their combo is somewhat inconsistent. Rest in Peace is probably too slow though.
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I mean if you really want to hate them play rule of law or ethersworn canonist but you can be sure that they will have wish answers
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There's no one card fix, you need a fast clock and enough disruption. Cruise is just the best draw spell, they can go off without it.
Ascendancy is very strong, my pseudo-free spells deck in Standard felt very close to being good enough and its best draws felt very broken. Wasn't consistent enough to recommend to our PT attendee but maybe if I had another month...
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I said it's the best card, the fact it's not very good is a problem.
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On October 09 2014 01:26 deth2munkies wrote:
I said it's the best card, the fact it's not very good is a problem.
ethersworn canonist and/or rule of law are much much better though...
The fact that you can't extraction the ascendancy due to saving one as a wish target is a bit awkward, although you can't reliably get to 4 mana to cranial (or similar) safely anyway.
Regardless, thorn of amethyst or trinisphere also force them to over-commit to the board in order to go off, which you can punish with sweep.
I think there are a lot of powerful ways to interact with ascendancy, but they are narrow enough in general that making modern players pay a form of the vintage dredge tax doesn't make much sense to me.
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So you guys sound really legit, but I just got back into MTG after playing a lot in high school, which was like 8 years ago now.
I love the feeling of playing with real cards against friends and stuff, but I've moved to NYC and don't really have that base of friends who plays anymore, so I thought I might try the iPad app? How is it in terms of cost, features, etc? I just want to build cool decks and play against strangers with matchmaking maybe, is that possible?
edit: also it looks like there are multiple versions... should I get the 2015 one?
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On October 09 2014 02:15 Beirut wrote:
So you guys sound really legit, but I just got back into MTG after playing a lot in high school, which was like 8 years ago now.
I love the feeling of playing with real cards against friends and stuff, but I've moved to NYC and don't really have that base of friends who plays anymore, so I thought I might try the iPad app? How is it in terms of cost, features, etc? I just want to build cool decks and play against strangers with matchmaking maybe, is that possible?
edit: also it looks like there are multiple versions... should I get the 2015 one?
I haven't played 2015 but 2014 was extremely disappointing. You unlock premade decks of each color and get to grind AI games with each one to unlock a handful of extra cards that can only be used in the deck of that color. There is a sealed mode where there is a little bit more "deckbuilding" but the options are pretty limited. Not to mention the game is extremely buggy and the rules have been dumbed down quite a bit. I suppose its not bad for new players that don't know much about the game but I would only recommend it if its on sale.
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Its meant as an intro to new players not experienced ones.
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Judicator, what blue deck are you playing in standard this time around? Like the looks of Esper? UB?
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On October 09 2014 01:31 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 01:26 deth2munkies wrote:
I said it's the best card, the fact it's not very good is a problem. ethersworn canonist and/or rule of law are much much better though... The fact that you can't extraction the ascendancy due to saving one as a wish target is a bit awkward, although you can't reliably get to 4 mana to cranial (or similar) safely anyway. Regardless, thorn of amethyst or trinisphere also force them to over-commit to the board in order to go off, which you can punish with sweep. I think there are a lot of powerful ways to interact with ascendancy, but they are narrow enough in general that making modern players pay a form of the vintage dredge tax doesn't make much sense to me.
Hence why I made the statements I made earlier about the meta not shifting properly yet.
Sideboard Tax versus powerful decks that never do well because everyone has to sideboard against it is simply par for the course in an eternal format. Mox Monkey didn't get his name because he was cost efficient artifact hate.
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On October 09 2014 06:11 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 01:31 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 09 2014 01:26 deth2munkies wrote:
I said it's the best card, the fact it's not very good is a problem. ethersworn canonist and/or rule of law are much much better though... The fact that you can't extraction the ascendancy due to saving one as a wish target is a bit awkward, although you can't reliably get to 4 mana to cranial (or similar) safely anyway. Regardless, thorn of amethyst or trinisphere also force them to over-commit to the board in order to go off, which you can punish with sweep. I think there are a lot of powerful ways to interact with ascendancy, but they are narrow enough in general that making modern players pay a form of the vintage dredge tax doesn't make much sense to me. Hence why I made the statements I made earlier about the meta not shifting properly yet. Sideboard Tax versus powerful decks that never do well because everyone has to sideboard against it is simply par for the course in an eternal format. Mox Monkey didn't get his name because he was cost efficient artifact hate.
I mean that doesn't change the fact that ascendancy is a de-facto turn 3 deck which wotc is on record as stating is "too fast" for modern.
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Kind of a long shot but I figured I would ask here. I found out that I could play in a couple SCG opens in the up coming months so I set my hopes on a deck and now I am trying to buy it online. I bought as much as I could though MTGO Traders but there are still a couple cards I need and I am trying to get them ASAP. I should clarify that I am looking for these cards on MTGO.
Right now I am looking for,
2 x Goblin Rabblemaster
4 x Seeker of the Way
2 x Chandra, Pyromaster
I have pretty much only tickets to trade but I am totally willing to go the full equivalent of whatever MTGO traders is asking.
Failing that I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of another online retailer. Thanks in advance
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On October 09 2014 06:18 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 06:11 Thieving Magpie wrote:On October 09 2014 01:31 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 09 2014 01:26 deth2munkies wrote:
I said it's the best card, the fact it's not very good is a problem. ethersworn canonist and/or rule of law are much much better though... The fact that you can't extraction the ascendancy due to saving one as a wish target is a bit awkward, although you can't reliably get to 4 mana to cranial (or similar) safely anyway. Regardless, thorn of amethyst or trinisphere also force them to over-commit to the board in order to go off, which you can punish with sweep. I think there are a lot of powerful ways to interact with ascendancy, but they are narrow enough in general that making modern players pay a form of the vintage dredge tax doesn't make much sense to me. Hence why I made the statements I made earlier about the meta not shifting properly yet. Sideboard Tax versus powerful decks that never do well because everyone has to sideboard against it is simply par for the course in an eternal format. Mox Monkey didn't get his name because he was cost efficient artifact hate. I mean that doesn't change the fact that ascendancy is a de-facto turn 3 deck which wotc is on record as stating is "too fast" for modern.
Hmm... I guess, from that argument, I can see a case can be made.
Still, it being considered overpowered seems rushed. But if the policy is no turn 3 kills then the policy is no turn 3 kills. A shame to stifle a possibly balanced deck (once the meta adapts) just for policy reasons.
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On October 09 2014 07:17 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 06:18 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 09 2014 06:11 Thieving Magpie wrote:On October 09 2014 01:31 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 09 2014 01:26 deth2munkies wrote:
I said it's the best card, the fact it's not very good is a problem. ethersworn canonist and/or rule of law are much much better though... The fact that you can't extraction the ascendancy due to saving one as a wish target is a bit awkward, although you can't reliably get to 4 mana to cranial (or similar) safely anyway. Regardless, thorn of amethyst or trinisphere also force them to over-commit to the board in order to go off, which you can punish with sweep. I think there are a lot of powerful ways to interact with ascendancy, but they are narrow enough in general that making modern players pay a form of the vintage dredge tax doesn't make much sense to me. Hence why I made the statements I made earlier about the meta not shifting properly yet. Sideboard Tax versus powerful decks that never do well because everyone has to sideboard against it is simply par for the course in an eternal format. Mox Monkey didn't get his name because he was cost efficient artifact hate. I mean that doesn't change the fact that ascendancy is a de-facto turn 3 deck which wotc is on record as stating is "too fast" for modern. Hmm... I guess, from that argument, I can see a case can be made. Still, it being considered overpowered seems rushed. But if the policy is no turn 3 kills then the policy is no turn 3 kills. A shame to stifle a possibly balanced deck (once the meta adapts) just for policy reasons.
I get what you are saying, but there a few differences. Mox Monkey was given that name because Mox isn't deck dependent. We have already said that attacking this deck from any one axis is probably a futile one since there are variations in the lists (its hard to call one optimal because nobody has seen this deck in a competitive tournament).
Take Dredge for example, your hate cards better be varied or you'll get hammered since the payoff for the Dredge player is winning the game out right since experienced Dredge players can beat a single hate card. It really isn't that much different here. More accurately take Affinity during Mirrodin T2 pre-lands banning, decks were splashing Green for Oxidize mainboard hate, now could you beat Affinity? Sure, but that doesn't make the match up any better unless you go all in on the hate.
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Even if power level didn't matter it would still get banned due to how long it takes to combo off.
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On October 09 2014 08:38 DEN1ED wrote:
Even if power level didn't matter it would still get banned due to how long it takes to combo off.
Tell that to high tide.
Oh wait, Wizards doesn't give a fuck about Legacy.
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On October 09 2014 06:02 Shotcoder wrote:
Judicator, what blue deck are you playing in standard this time around? Like the looks of Esper? UB?
No idea, tried Keranos based control but didn't like it. Need to take another look again. Was messing around in Modern with the Ascendancy deck.
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EPT
