EPTI don't think 6 landers are really ever keepable, although if the 7th card is a real bomb that wins the game on its own, and you know your opponent can't answer it, then maybe. I also mull 80-90% of 5-landers. 5 lands, 1 Goblin Shortcutter, and Chandra would also be an easy mull.
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
I don't think 6 landers are really ever keepable, although if the 7th card is a real bomb that wins the game on its own, and you know your opponent can't answer it, then maybe. I also mull 80-90% of 5-landers. 5 lands, 1 Goblin Shortcutter, and Chandra would also be an easy mull. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On August 04 2013 08:37 Cel.erity wrote: IMO it doesn't depend on anything, that hand can't be keepable. Against a deck with cheap creatures, you're unlikely to be able to defend Chandra on turn 4, and against a slower deck you will get flooded out and run over. I don't think 6 landers are really ever keepable, although if the 7th card is a real bomb that wins the game on its own, and you know your opponent can't answer it, then maybe. I also mull 80-90% of 5-landers. 5 lands, 1 Goblin Shortcutter, and Chandra would also be an easy mull. You can't say it's unkeepable and then provide a scenario where it might be keepable. I said that hand isn't an auto-mull as some of the others. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On August 04 2013 11:59 Judicator wrote: You can't say it's unkeepable and then provide a scenario where it might be keepable. I said that hand isn't an auto-mull as some of the others. I didn't provide a scenario where it might be keepable. I don't think it's keepable in any scenario. The only card in M14 that I might consider keeping with 6 lands is Kalonian Hydra, but only if I had seen my opponent's entire deck and knew it had zero removal spells. Keeping 6 landers is extremely bad. | ||
micronesia
United States24814 Posts
In one game yesterday I used her -7 ability and cast three lava axes haha. That was after dealing several points of damage using the +1 ability, of course. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On August 04 2013 12:50 Cel.erity wrote: I didn't provide a scenario where it might be keepable. I don't think it's keepable in any scenario. The only card in M14 that I might consider keeping with 6 lands is Kalonian Hydra, but only if I had seen my opponent's entire deck and knew it had zero removal spells. Keeping 6 landers is extremely bad. 6 lands Pack Rat. I know it's RtR, but after the WMC today, can't help but think of it. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
I'd keep that almost every time. We're not talking about that, though. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On August 04 2013 12:50 Cel.erity wrote: I didn't provide a scenario where it might be keepable. I don't think it's keepable in any scenario. The only card in M14 that I might consider keeping with 6 lands is Kalonian Hydra, but only if I had seen my opponent's entire deck and knew it had zero removal spells. Keeping 6 landers is extremely bad. Again, read what you just said. The fact we are even having this discussion on 6-landers means its not auto-mull. Edit: Should clarify that I am not disagreeing with you, I am saying that the hand warrants some thought before shipping it. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On August 04 2013 13:13 Judicator wrote: Again, read what you just said. The fact we are even having this discussion on 6-landers means its not auto-mull. Edit: Should clarify that I am not disagreeing with you, I am saying that the hand warrants some thought before shipping it. I know what I said. I said if it's 6 lands with a card that can win the game on its own, without casting any other spells for the entire game, then it might be a keep. Otherwise it is an auto mull. Chandra is obviously not in the category of Kalonian Hydra/Pack Rat, so it's an auto mull. There's no point considering it. | ||
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micronesia
United States24814 Posts
Let's say my opponent enchants their mountain with Awaken the Ancient. On my turn I cast Clone and choose the mountain creature as the target. Does this mean I now have, specifically, a mountain, with no other characteristics (it is not even a creature)? | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On August 04 2013 14:38 micronesia wrote: Separate question. Let's say my opponent enchants their mountain with Awaken the Ancient. On my turn I cast Clone and choose the mountain creature as the target. Does this mean I now have, specifically, a mountain, with no other characteristics (it is not even a creature)? Correct. It copies the card, not the enchantment. It would just be a 3U basic mountain. | ||
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micronesia
United States24814 Posts
On August 04 2013 15:24 Cel.erity wrote: Correct. It copies the card, not the enchantment. It would just be a 3U basic mountain. The reason why I found it so confusing is because, even though I knew clone won't copy the enchantment, what ultimately happens is affected by the enchantment in this case. Any enchantment or effect which makes a non-creature permanent a creature means that permanent can now be mimicked by clone, even though clone will lose his creature status as he enters the battlefield (unless that effect also influences your cloned version of the permanent for some reason, keeping it a creature). Pretty crazy. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
Also new legend rule was sad in olivia mirrors in worlds, watching people steal the other persons olivia and sacking it, ouch. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On August 05 2013 08:27 Judicator wrote: Clone effects can get much more complicated, if you ever want your head to hurt, go read about layering. http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=judge/article/20091105a Question 4 was impossible for me to figure it out. Even looking at the solution my head hurt trying to understand it at each step. I feel dumb.  | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Deck List] + Creatures: Avacyn's Pilgrim x4 Elvish Mystic x2 Arbor Elf x2 Champion of the Parish x4 Precinct Captain x2 Banisher Priest x4 Borderland Ranger x2 Crusader of Odric x2 Fiendslayer Paladin x2 Frontline Medic x2 Restoration Angel x3 Angel of Serenity x2 Spells: Ranger's Guile x3 Renounce the Guilds x2 Angelic Edict x1 Ajani, caller of the Pride x1 Land: Plains x10 Temple Garden x4 Forest x7 Gavony Township x2 Sideboard: Akroma's Memorial x1 Brave the Elements x2 Celestial Flare x2 Oblivion Ring x2 Rest in Peace x3 Silence x2 War Priest of Thune x3 I am still tweaking what number of creatures I have. I might take out one or two champion of the Parish's and add in some more spells, maybe take out one of the banisher priests and add another Precinct Captain. The sideboard I am not sure of yet, still thinking of that one.I am sure I will take out some of the War Priests. | ||
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micronesia
United States24814 Posts
However, if I announce I'm attacking, and my opponent says ok, and then I swing with both creatures, of course they can choose to burn/remove the gladerider before declaring blockers. If they do it this way, will the second sliver lose flying, even though he had it when I declared attackers, meaning a crawler can now block it? | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On August 06 2013 07:14 micronesia wrote: If I have out a gladerider sliver and some other sliver, and announce I'm going to attack, my opponent can burn/remove my gladerider sliver to take flying away from my second sliver. However, if I announce I'm attacking, and my opponent says ok, and then I swing with both creatures, of course they can choose to burn/remove the gladerider before declaring blockers. If they do it this way, will the second sliver lose flying, even though he had it when I declared attackers, meaning a crawler can now block it? Yes, they can kill it during declare attackers and the other sliver will lose flying before the declare blockers step. | ||
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micronesia
United States24814 Posts
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Audemed
United States893 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Creature (31) 3x Avacyn's Pilgrim 4x Banisher Priest 4x Champion of the Parish 4x Hamlet Captain 2x Lavinia of the Tenth 4x Mayor of Avabruck 1x Mikaeus, the Lunarch 3x Silverblade Paladin 3x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben 3x Wingcrafter Instant (3) 3x Simic Charm Land (23) 1x Breeding Pool 2x Forest 1x Gavony Township 3x Glacial Fortress 2x Hallowed Fountain 2x Hinterland Harbor 2x Mutavault 2x Plains 4x Sunpetal Grove 4x Temple Garden Sorcery (3) 3x Mass Appeal Sideboard (15) 2x Brave the Elements 2x Detention Sphere 2x Fiendslayer Paladin 2x Intrepid Hero 2x Nearheath Pilgrim 1x Riders of Gavony 2x Selesnya Charm 2x Silence | ||
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