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On July 20 2013 07:58 Judicator wrote:
I am not sure how you're having trouble against Esper, that match up is pretty good as is and Esper doesn't get to board too much in. The Bant is a little tougher but getting into a grind game against that deck seems pretty risky as is.
Not sure why you would worry too much about Aetherling, the fact that they're even safely casting an Aetherling against you seems already bad. They could have replaced Aetherling with any 6 or 7 drop and it doesn't bode too well for you.
The point that I was trying to make is that Pithing Needle is a highly defensive sideboard card that doesn't advance your plans. You guys seem to want to get into these grind games against decks designed to take it long. Not sure why.
Yes, an Aetherling will beat you, but that's on turn 7 and assuming they drew it at some point. Not sure if playing for the what-if is worth it in either deck.
How exactly is UWR midrange (non geist) supposed to get an upper hand on Esper before turn 7? When they run 4 wraths of one flavor or another, and plenty of counters and spot removal, how exactly am I supposed to do anything to put them on the back foot? Granted, I'm not playing draw-go control, but it's not a fast deck and I don't have threats fast or strong enough to win by the time aetherling arrives.
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How viable is a 60 card sliver deck for standard constructed? I'm thinking of using primarily green slivers (including a couple of the mana ones), splashing the better slivers from the other four colors, throwing in 1-2 green fix cards, four transguilds, some Green+X shocks, and the artifact that gives any color mana. Also, there can be maybe one artifact sliver, and one sorcery that makes a couple of slivers.
Having a deck that's purely creatures and fixing might not work, though.
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On July 20 2013 18:57 Audemed wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 07:58 Judicator wrote:
I am not sure how you're having trouble against Esper, that match up is pretty good as is and Esper doesn't get to board too much in. The Bant is a little tougher but getting into a grind game against that deck seems pretty risky as is.
Not sure why you would worry too much about Aetherling, the fact that they're even safely casting an Aetherling against you seems already bad. They could have replaced Aetherling with any 6 or 7 drop and it doesn't bode too well for you.
The point that I was trying to make is that Pithing Needle is a highly defensive sideboard card that doesn't advance your plans. You guys seem to want to get into these grind games against decks designed to take it long. Not sure why.
Yes, an Aetherling will beat you, but that's on turn 7 and assuming they drew it at some point. Not sure if playing for the what-if is worth it in either deck. How exactly is UWR midrange (non geist) supposed to get an upper hand on Esper before turn 7? When they run 4 wraths of one flavor or another, and plenty of counters and spot removal, how exactly am I supposed to do anything to put them on the back foot? Granted, I'm not playing draw-go control, but it's not a fast deck and I don't have threats fast or strong enough to win by the time aetherling arrives.
??? You have burn right? Just throw it at their face. Play 1 threat at a time and leave up mana for their SR. Against UWRs when I was Esper, when people finally figured out to not sit on their burn spells and just EoT to their face. Snapcaster is a problem. What is Esper doing? Trading terribly and by the time turn 7 rolls around, they're at like 10. What are they doing with Aetherling when you're threatening to burn them out?
The Esper match up is in favor of UWR once players figured out to not sit on their spells in the early turns saving them for god knows what. Like I have lost games to UWR in testing just from Snapcasters and Spears doing the damage. The new lists with Warleader's is even more punitive. Use your mana efficiently, and Esper can't resolve anything worthwhile. The only way Esper realistically beats them is if you play into 2 for 1s into their Verdicts and Terminus.
On July 21 2013 03:01 micronesia wrote:
How viable is a 60 card sliver deck for standard constructed? I'm thinking of using primarily green slivers (including a couple of the mana ones), splashing the better slivers from the other four colors, throwing in 1-2 green fix cards, four transguilds, some Green+X shocks, and the artifact that gives any color mana. Also, there can be maybe one artifact sliver, and one sorcery that makes a couple of slivers.
Having a deck that's purely creatures and fixing might not work, though.
You are going to find any creature heavy deck very frustrating to play in next few months. For example, the deck that I am testing is running 7 board wipes. If you want it for casual, that's whatever. If you are actually thinking of playing Standard, then no. Constructed will take some time to break into and much easier if you have people you can piggyback on to. In a few months when the format resets with Theros, then you can start following the meta and figuring out what might be good or bad.
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Yea I definitely plan to wait for Theros before doing anything serious. I'll use the deck casually in the meantime, but I was curious how this type of deck would generally fair in standard, which you answered.
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Holy ballsacks, the new God cardframe, the hero avatars, and the fact that Day[9] is hosting a Magic show on Geek and Sundry are all amazing.
Also JtMS in FTV:20 and a new commander product in November.
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Makes me wish they would tell collectors to go fuck themselves and do more reprints.
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On July 21 2013 06:26 NotSorry wrote:
Makes me wish they would tell collectors to go fuck themselves and do more reprints.
Just like Modern Masters reinvigorated the supply of Modern staples hahaha. >.>
Also the new Elspeth art is really good. Hope she's playable.
JTMS in FTV:20 is also going to make that insanely expensive lol
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A friend brought a point to me the other day, that I refuse to play legacy or modern because of the price, however I have nearly all the staples to make any deck from trading standard cards during peaks for them because I know they will retain value.
Kind of pointless, just struck me as funny because I want them to reprint and bring the values down even tho it would kill my own trade vault.
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For me working towards a modern or legacy deck is too much money and not worth it where i live(very small MTG community). I wish I collected the cards through out the years, but I have too many holes between new blocks. It also did not help that when I was young I thought getting starter boxes (60-75 cards) was awesome since they were cheaper then buying the boosters to get the same amount of cards  .
I should dig up my old non basic lands and sell them though. I remember thinking they were cool because they were different.
I will get my constructed fix on the MTGO Pauper format, and the occasional Red Deck Wins I can build for block constructed from my drafting.
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Well today was a bit of a disappointment. Not in my play, but the overall way my day panned out. I ended up going 2-3-1drop with 2 rounds left(157 players in attendance)
Round 1 2-1 vs UWR midrange
Simple enough win, crush his threats while making him cast verdicts and removal as 1 for 1's.
Round 2 0-2 vs Jund midrange
mull to 5 both games, laugh as opponent claims they were difficult games
Round 3 1-1-1 vs UWR control
should have been a win but i sin collector his SR in game 3 and he slow plays to turns which causes a draw.
Round 4 1-2 vs Bant hexproof
win game 1 by resolving liliana. Lose games 2 and 3 by mulling to 5(beginning to see a theme?)
Round 5 2-0 vs UB Mill
Jank deck that had zero interaction with my deck, game 2 i abused the new sideboard rules and used a 75 card deck
Round 6 1-2 vs UWR Control
Smash him game 1, game 2 and 3 I mull to 5 and 6 respectively.
I think all day I saw 5 keepable 7 card hands. Just one of those days where things didn't line up for me.
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On July 21 2013 05:11 deth2munkies wrote:
Holy ballsacks, the new God cardframe, the hero avatars, and the fact that Day[9] is hosting a Magic show on Geek and Sundry are all amazing.
Also JtMS in FTV:20 and a new commander product in November.
???
What the hell are you talking about?
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On July 21 2013 09:28 jxx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 05:11 deth2munkies wrote:
Holy ballsacks, the new God cardframe, the hero avatars, and the fact that Day[9] is hosting a Magic show on Geek and Sundry are all amazing.
Also JtMS in FTV:20 and a new commander product in November. ??? What the hell are you talking about?
New god cards have special bordered colours and stuff in Thereos:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/s7AiFXIm.jpg)
Jace TMS is in the From the Vault 20 set
https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/358663491604856832/photo/1
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Shotcoder you're playing BWR midrange right? I've been testing some Faithless lootings to smooth out my draws and liking the results.
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On July 21 2013 10:31 NotSorry wrote:
Shotcoder you're playing BWR midrange right? I've been testing some Faithless lootings to smooth out my draws and liking the results.
Yea I'm playing BWR midrange, the issue with Looting is you dont get a whole lot out of it. You might as well play Unburial rites if you're going to play looting.
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On July 21 2013 03:01 micronesia wrote:
How viable is a 60 card sliver deck for standard constructed? I'm thinking of using primarily green slivers (including a couple of the mana ones), splashing the better slivers from the other four colors, throwing in 1-2 green fix cards, four transguilds, some Green+X shocks, and the artifact that gives any color mana. Also, there can be maybe one artifact sliver, and one sorcery that makes a couple of slivers.
Having a deck that's purely creatures and fixing might not work, though.
Casually for fun? Sure. Competitively? Don't expect to go 50%+.
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Been thinking about playing UR Reckoner pyre while I still can. Testing so far has me running this with pretty good results, still tweaking the mana base, but this list is pretty close to T6 combo guaranteed (traumatize op). With standard presumably slowing down (doom and shock, 5drop bombs), how do you think it'll stack up?
+ Show Spoiler +4x Reckoner
4x Pyre
4x Snapcaster
4x traumatize
2x Tome scour
2x blasphemous act
2x bonfire
2x Faithless looting
4x Izzet charm
3x Archaeomancer
2x Shattered perception
4x Thought scour
1x Temporal Mastery
24 Lands
As far as slivers go, the only thing I really forsee working is this:
4x of manaweft, predatory, galerider, sentinel, hive stirrings, elf, cavern, mutavault, temple, sunpetal, forest
3x: megantic, Boros charm
2x: bonescythe, syphon, thorncaster, stomping, breeding
Sentinel + manaweft is actually really good. And with cavern, shocks, and weft, nothing is -really- stopping you from playing 5C utility slivers. The thing about slivers is that your sideboard is unusually open. My sideboard would be 2 more stomps, 4x descendants path, and I have no idea after that. Actually that could go mainboard...
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On July 21 2013 10:08 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 09:28 jxx wrote:On July 21 2013 05:11 deth2munkies wrote:
Holy ballsacks, the new God cardframe, the hero avatars, and the fact that Day[9] is hosting a Magic show on Geek and Sundry are all amazing.
Also JtMS in FTV:20 and a new commander product in November. ??? What the hell are you talking about? New god cards have special bordered colours and stuff in Thereos: Jace TMS is in the From the Vault 20 set https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/358663491604856832/photo/1
What does the 20 on Jace mean?
And how do the Hero cards on magic spoilers work (The Protector for example)? They don't have mana costs.
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On July 21 2013 21:22 CruelZeratul wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 10:08 MoonBear wrote:On July 21 2013 09:28 jxx wrote:On July 21 2013 05:11 deth2munkies wrote:
Holy ballsacks, the new God cardframe, the hero avatars, and the fact that Day[9] is hosting a Magic show on Geek and Sundry are all amazing.
Also JtMS in FTV:20 and a new commander product in November. ??? What the hell are you talking about? New god cards have special bordered colours and stuff in Thereos: Jace TMS is in the From the Vault 20 set https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/358663491604856832/photo/1 What does the 20 on Jace mean?
From the Vault: 20, the product he is in (which I now have to worry I might not get despite pre-order the moment FTV was originally announced - and still being the second caller)
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I guess this means I'm not going to buy one when shops are selling them for ~200 dollars
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Played casually with two others last night... I think the highlight was when I swung for ~400 flying trample lifelink vigilance first strike.
+ Show Spoiler +Thanks to this guy, this guy, and my friend playing simic with lots of counters being put on entering creatures! I would have been dead though if I didn't have him out to protect me from a 20/20 Teysa with double strike.
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