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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 19 2013 00:49 GMT
#8381
On July 19 2013 09:05 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 08:03 Cel.erity wrote:
On July 19 2013 08:01 Audemed wrote:
On July 19 2013 07:53 deth2munkies wrote:
At the prerelease, I threw away a good U/B deck to play 4 color Slivers since I got Bonescythe, Syphon, and Thorncaster.

I had fun, would have gone X-1 but a guy I played against didn't put counters on his creatures (even when I offered him dice) and I ran into a bad attack 10 turns later because of it.

Format is really fucking slow and there's extremely few bomby/exciting rares. Liturgy of Blood is pretty damned awesome.

Best story of the night: Woman went Nightmare one turn, next turn Liturgy of Blood your guy into Liliana find a Swamp, play it, swing with Nightmare.

Won easily.


If he doesn't put counters on, do the creatures even get the bonus? If someone refuses to put counters on, I'd treat the creatures as simply not having the counters. I played a guy who refused to record his own life, and after a G1 where he essentially gained 7 life on me by refusing to acknowledge a turn's worth of damage, I just pulled out a second spindown and counted for him. Still won 2-0, but fuck him, seriously.


If you play against someone like this, tell them what they're doing is against tournament rules, and call a judge if they don't comply.

It was a 12 year old at a prerelease, I really didn't care.


Still good to tell them so they know for future matches, you might be nice, but the next dude might not be. You don't have to go all judge mode on them, but they should know that they messed up.
Get it by your hands...
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
July 19 2013 02:39 GMT
#8382
On July 19 2013 09:49 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 09:05 deth2munkies wrote:
On July 19 2013 08:03 Cel.erity wrote:
On July 19 2013 08:01 Audemed wrote:
On July 19 2013 07:53 deth2munkies wrote:
At the prerelease, I threw away a good U/B deck to play 4 color Slivers since I got Bonescythe, Syphon, and Thorncaster.

I had fun, would have gone X-1 but a guy I played against didn't put counters on his creatures (even when I offered him dice) and I ran into a bad attack 10 turns later because of it.

Format is really fucking slow and there's extremely few bomby/exciting rares. Liturgy of Blood is pretty damned awesome.

Best story of the night: Woman went Nightmare one turn, next turn Liturgy of Blood your guy into Liliana find a Swamp, play it, swing with Nightmare.

Won easily.


If he doesn't put counters on, do the creatures even get the bonus? If someone refuses to put counters on, I'd treat the creatures as simply not having the counters. I played a guy who refused to record his own life, and after a G1 where he essentially gained 7 life on me by refusing to acknowledge a turn's worth of damage, I just pulled out a second spindown and counted for him. Still won 2-0, but fuck him, seriously.


If you play against someone like this, tell them what they're doing is against tournament rules, and call a judge if they don't comply.

It was a 12 year old at a prerelease, I really didn't care.


Still good to tell them so they know for future matches, you might be nice, but the next dude might not be. You don't have to go all judge mode on them, but they should know that they messed up.


I did, but he didn't want me to take it back so I didn't.

I will admit, for the first time in a very long time, I raged at the next game, though. Board stalled until I drew a non land card, he had millstone out. Milled 12 spells and no land and I drew nothing but land over 6 turns. "Good game luckiest human being on the planet."
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24799 Posts
July 19 2013 02:43 GMT
#8383
Blaming your opponent for being lucky when they aren't holding the win over you is incredibly bad sportsmanship. I wasn't there so maybe that's not how it happened.
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 19 2013 03:28 GMT
#8384
Should have flipped a table imo.
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LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4572 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-19 05:53:41
July 19 2013 04:26 GMT
#8385
Just started back again on MTG after a 5yearish break.

God damn it why did I sell away all my fetch and shocklands. My wallet is crying now over the potential cards that I'm planning to buy back....

Lesson learnt: Never ever sell your lands no matter how good the current price is; especially for foil lands. same goes for Legacy staples.

Edit: Anyone can recommend me a rough price that you think the Innistrand checklands will drop to post rotations? I'm waiting for the to drop in price before getting them.
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
July 19 2013 04:42 GMT
#8386
On July 19 2013 11:43 micronesia wrote:
Blaming your opponent for being lucky when they aren't holding the win over you is incredibly bad sportsmanship. I wasn't there so maybe that's not how it happened.


I know it is, but you have to rage sometimes, kid was a smug punk about it, so it was worth it to me.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
July 19 2013 05:15 GMT
#8387
What are some good answers for Eatherling? I generally just Slaughter games it, but was wondering about other ways to take it out.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-19 05:49:32
July 19 2013 05:18 GMT
#8388
On July 19 2013 13:42 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 11:43 micronesia wrote:
Blaming your opponent for being lucky when they aren't holding the win over you is incredibly bad sportsmanship. I wasn't there so maybe that's not how it happened.


I know it is, but you have to rage sometimes, kid was a smug punk about it, so it was worth it to me.


Those are the games, if I am on the winning side, I quietly and quickly gather my things, ask them to sign the match slip and leave asap.

On July 19 2013 14:15 NotSorry wrote:
What are some good answers for Eatherling? I generally just Slaughter games it, but was wondering about other ways to take it out.


Pithing Needle, Hope your Opponent misplays and you have double removal spell, slaughter games.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
July 19 2013 06:04 GMT
#8389
his exile self is a mana ability is it not?
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 19 2013 06:28 GMT
#8390
no, it's an activated ability. There is a colon
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
July 19 2013 07:03 GMT
#8391
On July 19 2013 15:04 NotSorry wrote:
his exile self is a mana ability is it not?


A mana ability is something that creates mana, not that uses mana. I had the same misunderstanding for a while.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
July 19 2013 07:13 GMT
#8392
oh wow I'm terrible, that's the reason I wasn't using it
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 19 2013 08:15 GMT
#8393
Big event this weekend. TCG PLat event with 4 1/2 boxes to first and enough points to qualify for the 50k invitational.

This is the list I think I've decided to bring.

http://www.mtgvault.com/noise/decks/bwr-midrange-v4/
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 19 2013 12:10 GMT
#8394
Pithing Needle is such a bad answer to Aetherling. I would play around the card rather than trying to do something directly about it.
Get it by your hands...
nanospartan
Profile Joined July 2011
649 Posts
July 19 2013 12:19 GMT
#8395
On July 19 2013 17:15 Shotcoder wrote:
Big event this weekend. TCG PLat event with 4 1/2 boxes to first and enough points to qualify for the 50k invitational.

This is the list I think I've decided to bring.

http://www.mtgvault.com/noise/decks/bwr-midrange-v4/

Good luck! I'm so bad at judging standard decks, but that looks pretty solid
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Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
July 19 2013 12:21 GMT
#8396
On July 19 2013 21:10 Judicator wrote:
Pithing Needle is such a bad answer to Aetherling. I would play around the card rather than trying to do something directly about it.


You can't play around aetherling as control. You have to find a way to stop it, somehow, and pithing needle is the simplest answer. When an esper, UWR, or bant deck has cavern naming shapeshifter, you can't stop it from dropping and you can't get rid of it without draining their mana or turning off the abilities. One is easier than the other.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
July 19 2013 13:23 GMT
#8397
I like Pithing Needle in the sideboard just because it's not just an answer to Aetherling. It takes care of Wolf Run, Vault of the Archangel, Planeswalkers, etc. Really versatile.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-19 13:45:28
July 19 2013 13:42 GMT
#8398
On July 19 2013 21:21 Audemed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 21:10 Judicator wrote:
Pithing Needle is such a bad answer to Aetherling. I would play around the card rather than trying to do something directly about it.


You can't play around aetherling as control. You have to find a way to stop it, somehow, and pithing needle is the simplest answer. When an esper, UWR, or bant deck has cavern naming shapeshifter, you can't stop it from dropping and you can't get rid of it without draining their mana or turning off the abilities. One is easier than the other.


People have played Needle against Aetherling in my decks and its just been like ok, I don't care. Unless they are all-in on that Aetherling plan, it's pretty underwhelming. The issue with Needle isn't that it's a bad card overall, it's that control decks rarely come at you in a single manner these days, that includes Esper. Needle's just too stop-gap and doesn't advance your board state which is what this standard format is all about. Basically, why is your opponent resolving Aetherling fearlessly against you in the first place is what you need to fix, not what happens if an Aetherling sticks.

Also, the argument that you are boarding in Needle for other cards is a pretty weak one, are you seriously boarding in a pretty underwhelming card to turn off a 1 or 2 of in other decks?

Like Appetite for Brains is a better board card against Aetherling than Needle is, if they got it you just took it out, if they don't you just planned your next few turns and maybe grabbed a card.

Edit:

Basically, my point is why are you boarding in a 1 mana artifact to turn off 1-2 copies of a 6 (more like 7) mana creature.
Get it by your hands...
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24799 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-19 13:49:20
July 19 2013 13:48 GMT
#8399
When playing in person, should you announce that you are going to declare attackers before you do it?

My thinking is, if you don't, your opponent can look at what you plan to swing with, and then decide whether or not to play an instant at the end of your first main phase, based on info they shouldn't have. Most people don't bother announcing, though.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22610 Posts
July 19 2013 13:51 GMT
#8400
On July 19 2013 22:48 micronesia wrote:
When playing in person, should you announce that you are going to declare attackers before you do it?

My thinking is, if you don't, your opponent can look at what you plan to swing with, and then decide whether or not to play an instant at the end of your first main phase, based on info they shouldn't have. Most people don't bother announcing, though.


I often see people announce it when watching tournament streams. For casual play with friends Its no big deal but otherwise its probably a good habit to learn.
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