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Lyter
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2145 Posts
March 07 2013 13:41 GMT
#6601
Yea nothing new there, that's been stock esper for a little while now
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
March 07 2013 14:51 GMT
#6602
Its hard to say that a control deck has been figured out since the meta isnt stable yet. After DGM, Esper should be more comfortable but right now it varies scene to scene. Also that Stark list was already tweaked by CFB at the GP following PT GTC.

Haven't tested the deck this week due to work and class, but I do know Wafo's list is no longer viable in this environment unless you expect mirrors.
Get it by your hands...
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
March 08 2013 21:08 GMT
#6603
Looking for more cards like Kiln Fiend and Charmbreaker Devils for RU-Pyromancer Ascension; combos with Soul's Fire, Distortion Strike, and the like. Anyone know any creatures or spells with similar effects off the top of their heads?

Discovered Needle Drop last night. I like it, but I'm less likely to deal damage before a stacked Kiln Fiend. But... cantrip. :-o And heaven knows I need it in that deck.
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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
March 08 2013 21:13 GMT
#6604
On March 09 2013 06:08 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Looking for more cards like Kiln Fiend and Charmbreaker Devils for RU-Pyromancer Ascension; combos with Soul's Fire, Distortion Strike, and the like. Anyone know any creatures or spells with similar effects off the top of their heads?

Discovered Needle Drop last night. I like it, but I'm less likely to deal damage before a stacked Kiln Fiend. But... cantrip. :-o And heaven knows I need it in that deck.

Storm Entity?
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
March 08 2013 21:17 GMT
#6605
On March 09 2013 06:13 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 06:08 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Looking for more cards like Kiln Fiend and Charmbreaker Devils for RU-Pyromancer Ascension; combos with Soul's Fire, Distortion Strike, and the like. Anyone know any creatures or spells with similar effects off the top of their heads?

Discovered Needle Drop last night. I like it, but I'm less likely to deal damage before a stacked Kiln Fiend. But... cantrip. :-o And heaven knows I need it in that deck.

Storm Entity?


Close enough. That looks like a keeper. Thanks. (any more you can remember will still be appreciated)

Cockatrice is down. Checked the site just now for a friend who wants to get into it online Magic, and I get this:
I have received a letter from a law firm representing Hasbro Germany, expressing a strong feeling of dislike for our project, backed up with legal claims. Regardless of whether the claims they are making are factually correct or not, I have agreed to shut down the project in its current form. As soon as this is completely sorted out, development work will be put into keeping alive the code base in such a way that it can be used for other purposes.

I deeply appreciate all the support from the community and hope to see all of you again soon. I will keep you posted if there are any news.

2013/02/27


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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
March 08 2013 21:22 GMT
#6606
On March 09 2013 06:17 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 06:13 MoonBear wrote:
On March 09 2013 06:08 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Looking for more cards like Kiln Fiend and Charmbreaker Devils for RU-Pyromancer Ascension; combos with Soul's Fire, Distortion Strike, and the like. Anyone know any creatures or spells with similar effects off the top of their heads?

Discovered Needle Drop last night. I like it, but I'm less likely to deal damage before a stacked Kiln Fiend. But... cantrip. :-o And heaven knows I need it in that deck.

Storm Entity?


Close enough. That looks like a keeper. Thanks. (any more you can remember will still be appreciated)

The first deck listed here is pretty nifty btw. Has a lot of synergy too where you discard Vengevines, play a whole load of creatures and suddenly spew loads of stuff onto the board and who all get haste from Goblin Bushwhacker haha.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
March 08 2013 21:32 GMT
#6607
On March 09 2013 06:22 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 06:17 cLAN.Anax wrote:
On March 09 2013 06:13 MoonBear wrote:
On March 09 2013 06:08 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Looking for more cards like Kiln Fiend and Charmbreaker Devils for RU-Pyromancer Ascension; combos with Soul's Fire, Distortion Strike, and the like. Anyone know any creatures or spells with similar effects off the top of their heads?

Discovered Needle Drop last night. I like it, but I'm less likely to deal damage before a stacked Kiln Fiend. But... cantrip. :-o And heaven knows I need it in that deck.

Storm Entity?


Close enough. That looks like a keeper. Thanks. (any more you can remember will still be appreciated)

The first deck listed here is pretty nifty btw. Has a lot of synergy too where you discard Vengevines, play a whole load of creatures and suddenly spew loads of stuff onto the board and who all get haste from Goblin Bushwhacker haha.


Looking more for spells to burn directly on my opponent's life, but I like Faithless Looting and Manamorphose from that deck. Thanks again.
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el_dawg
Profile Joined September 2011
United States164 Posts
March 08 2013 21:33 GMT
#6608
On March 09 2013 06:08 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Looking for more cards like Kiln Fiend and Charmbreaker Devils for RU-Pyromancer Ascension; combos with Soul's Fire, Distortion Strike, and the like. Anyone know any creatures or spells with similar effects off the top of their heads?

Discovered Needle Drop last night. I like it, but I'm less likely to deal damage before a stacked Kiln Fiend. But... cantrip. :-o And heaven knows I need it in that deck.


http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/rc/236

This might not be exactly what you are looking for, but there is a lot of discussion on card choices

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nivmagus Elemental
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=292741

are options too.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
March 08 2013 21:33 GMT
#6609
Vengevine's such a neat creature, never should have been printed, but still a fun creature none the less.
Get it by your hands...
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
March 08 2013 21:38 GMT
#6610
On March 09 2013 06:33 el_dawg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 06:08 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Looking for more cards like Kiln Fiend and Charmbreaker Devils for RU-Pyromancer Ascension; combos with Soul's Fire, Distortion Strike, and the like. Anyone know any creatures or spells with similar effects off the top of their heads?

Discovered Needle Drop last night. I like it, but I'm less likely to deal damage before a stacked Kiln Fiend. But... cantrip. :-o And heaven knows I need it in that deck.


http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/rc/236

This might not be exactly what you are looking for, but there is a lot of discussion on card choices

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nivmagus Elemental
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=292741

are options too.

Gerry Thompson pilotted a Nivmagus Deck at PT RTR. It apparently has a bad Jund Matchup though.

Also the Blistercoil deck is very fragile, possibly more so than Cheerios and Relic Quest.

On March 09 2013 06:33 Judicator wrote:
Vengevine's such a neat creature, never should have been printed, but still a fun creature none the less.

So much card advantage and abuse possible hehe
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Lyter
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2145 Posts
March 08 2013 22:36 GMT
#6611
On March 09 2013 06:17 cLAN.Anax wrote:

Cockatrice is down. Checked the site just now for a friend who wants to get into it online Magic



Use play.woogerworks.com

Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
March 08 2013 23:37 GMT
#6612
So I have no idea if this deck will work at all but Its what I have come up with that will be more fun to play than agro.

Any ideas / suggestions?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/dimir-deck-try-two/
Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 00:01:51
March 08 2013 23:57 GMT
#6613
The problem with your deck is that you have barely anything in the way of card advantage. Whispering Madness is going to hurt you more than your opponent. (or should, if he's an aggro deck) Invisible Stalker + Last Thoughts will work, but that's a 2-card combination, and you're really putting all your eggs in one basket there. And if you don't get that combo, you'll never be able to compete with Huntmasters and Thragtusks and Resto Angels and all those other powerful, card-advantage-on-a-stick creatures. The only other way you could do it is by keeping your singleton Jace alive.

The reason control decks tend to play both Blue and White is for Sphinx's Revelation. In lieu of steadily gaining card advantage, you can trade 1-for-1, or even worse sometimes, and then play a Sphinx for 5 when it's safe to do so or you run out of cards, and suddenly you've eradicated every loss you've taken and you're ahead. Unless you're on a budget, there's no reason not to play three colors, control-wise. White-Blue for Sphinx, then Red or Black for the extra power, since your mana can easily afford it. I prefer Esper, but WUR flash is also a thing.

You also seem to have the problem of trying to kill your opponent in two different ways. Consuming Aberration and that blade of yours are both liable to kill your opponent by damage faster than by mill, unless they keep chump-blocking. And then you have Jace, Memory Adept to mill your opponent out, but no Drownyards. It seems rather unfocused.

Overall, against a midrange or control deck, your deck simply isn't going to cut it. Both decks are just going to eventually overrun you. Your deck could work against aggro decks, I'm not sure.

If you are on a budget, I'm afraid I'd advise playing aggro. This is the worst meta for budget control I've ever seen, and I played W/U control on a budget for a year while Jace the Mindsculptor was around. Even THEN, I was able to compete locally with no TMS's until Caw-Blade showed up, because I could use mini-Jace. But trying to play control without Sphinx's Revelation...I shudder at the idea. Apparently Conley had some sort of MBC deck that was being talked about earlier in the thread? I have zero clue how a deck like that could ever work, but Conley is Conley, so maybe he's come up with something budget-compatible?

<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 00:28:41
March 09 2013 00:17 GMT
#6614
On March 09 2013 08:57 Salivanth wrote:
The problem with your deck is that you have barely anything in the way of card advantage. Whispering Madness is going to hurt you more than your opponent. (or should, if he's an aggro deck) Invisible Stalker + Last Thoughts will work, but that's a 2-card combination, and you're really putting all your eggs in one basket there. And if you don't get that combo, you'll never be able to compete with Huntmasters and Thragtusks and Resto Angels and all those other powerful, card-advantage-on-a-stick creatures. The only other way you could do it is by keeping your singleton Jace alive.

The reason control decks tend to play both Blue and White is for Sphinx's Revelation. In lieu of steadily gaining card advantage, you can trade 1-for-1, or even worse sometimes, and then play a Sphinx for 5 when it's safe to do so or you run out of cards, and suddenly you've eradicated every loss you've taken and you're ahead. Unless you're on a budget, there's no reason not to play three colors, control-wise. White-Blue for Sphinx, then Red or Black for the extra power, since your mana can easily afford it. I prefer Esper, but WUR flash is also a thing.

You also seem to have the problem of trying to kill your opponent in two different ways. Consuming Aberration and that blade of yours are both liable to kill your opponent by damage faster than by mill, unless they keep chump-blocking. And then you have Jace, Memory Adept to mill your opponent out, but no Drownyards. It seems rather unfocused.

Overall, against a midrange or control deck, your deck simply isn't going to cut it. Both decks are just going to eventually overrun you. Your deck could work against aggro decks, I'm not sure.

If you are on a budget, I'm afraid I'd advise playing aggro. This is the worst meta for budget control I've ever seen, and I played W/U control on a budget for a year while Jace the Mindsculptor was around. Even THEN, I was able to compete locally with no TMS's until Caw-Blade showed up, because I could use mini-Jace. But trying to play control without Sphinx's Revelation...I shudder at the idea. Apparently Conley had some sort of MBC deck that was being talked about earlier in the thread? I have zero clue how a deck like that could ever work, but Conley is Conley, so maybe he's come up with something budget-compatible?



Thanks Yea I am on a budget lol , I actually had an agro deck that did well at my LGS I just really didn't enjoy the play style. My thoughts are I can sideboard in the cyclonic rifts vs control and clear the board for a turn to swing for lethal with my abberations. my LGS is swarming with agro so I wanted something that can stop them. I think im going to try this out was mostly looking for people that might know some other cards that might work better than the ones I have. I can also use the unsummon's to save my creatures if I need to.

Also drown yards sound good.
Who is conley?
el_dawg
Profile Joined September 2011
United States164 Posts
March 09 2013 00:38 GMT
#6615
On March 09 2013 09:17 Trotske wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 08:57 Salivanth wrote:
The problem with your deck is that you have barely anything in the way of card advantage. Whispering Madness is going to hurt you more than your opponent. (or should, if he's an aggro deck) Invisible Stalker + Last Thoughts will work, but that's a 2-card combination, and you're really putting all your eggs in one basket there. And if you don't get that combo, you'll never be able to compete with Huntmasters and Thragtusks and Resto Angels and all those other powerful, card-advantage-on-a-stick creatures. The only other way you could do it is by keeping your singleton Jace alive.

The reason control decks tend to play both Blue and White is for Sphinx's Revelation. In lieu of steadily gaining card advantage, you can trade 1-for-1, or even worse sometimes, and then play a Sphinx for 5 when it's safe to do so or you run out of cards, and suddenly you've eradicated every loss you've taken and you're ahead. Unless you're on a budget, there's no reason not to play three colors, control-wise. White-Blue for Sphinx, then Red or Black for the extra power, since your mana can easily afford it. I prefer Esper, but WUR flash is also a thing.

You also seem to have the problem of trying to kill your opponent in two different ways. Consuming Aberration and that blade of yours are both liable to kill your opponent by damage faster than by mill, unless they keep chump-blocking. And then you have Jace, Memory Adept to mill your opponent out, but no Drownyards. It seems rather unfocused.

Overall, against a midrange or control deck, your deck simply isn't going to cut it. Both decks are just going to eventually overrun you. Your deck could work against aggro decks, I'm not sure.

If you are on a budget, I'm afraid I'd advise playing aggro. This is the worst meta for budget control I've ever seen, and I played W/U control on a budget for a year while Jace the Mindsculptor was around. Even THEN, I was able to compete locally with no TMS's until Caw-Blade showed up, because I could use mini-Jace. But trying to play control without Sphinx's Revelation...I shudder at the idea. Apparently Conley had some sort of MBC deck that was being talked about earlier in the thread? I have zero clue how a deck like that could ever work, but Conley is Conley, so maybe he's come up with something budget-compatible?



Thanks Yea I am on a budget lol , I actually had an agro deck that did well at my LGS I just really didn't enjoy the play style. My thoughts are I can sideboard in the cyclonic rifts vs control and clear the board for a turn to swing for lethal with my abberations. my LGS is swarming with agro so I wanted something that can stop them. I think im going to try this out was mostly looking for people that might know some other cards that might work better than the ones I have. I can also use the unsummon's to save my creatures if I need to.

Who is conley?


Conley Woods is a magic pro known for designing and playing unconventional decks. He wrote about a list based on crypt ghast here:

http://www.channelfireball.com/home/breaking-through-black-by-popular-demand-14th/

The list probably won't hold up if you remove the bonkers mythics (lilliana, griselbrand) and the red splash, but some swamps, crypt ghast, mutilate, removal spells and some random big mana spells would probably be ok against similarly budget decks if you are looking for a change of pace.
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
March 09 2013 08:44 GMT
#6616
ptq-ing with grixis delver in a few hours~
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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
March 09 2013 15:37 GMT
#6617
Running Gr mongo tron in vegas ptq today.
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elpollobosso
Profile Joined July 2012
United States20 Posts
March 09 2013 19:33 GMT
#6618
omg ty for the links, you = BesT
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
March 09 2013 19:57 GMT
#6619
Good luck to anyone competing today.
Get it by your hands...
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
March 09 2013 21:51 GMT
#6620
And Happy Birthday to you, Judi!
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