EPT2010-2011 football (soccer) thread - Page 37
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
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MadVillain
United States402 Posts
On September 17 2010 08:31 BeaTeR wrote: man utd vs liverpool hype video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzrSSXfpJ0g Rofl that's hilarious, but judging from the youtube comments he doesn't say anything that is actually translated int he video. I'm really curious as too what he is actually saying. If someone could do an actual translation that would be awesome. | ||
Lovedrop
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
On September 17 2010 10:42 Lovedrop wrote: At the moment, I feel like Real Madrid is very "complete". Don't get me wrong, I'm not so foolish to jump on the train and advocate that they'll win every trophy this year, but if you look at the way they played against Ajax, (given that it's not such an impressive team, though), it's just fantastic. Smooth, fluent football. In the post-game interview, even Mourinho himself acknowledged the fact that CR7 and Higuain have selfish tendencies simply because they are great players, but the chances they both gave one another (out of the 35 total shots on goal) have slowly convinced me that the Special One once again put his Harry Potter magic inside the Bernabeu and fixed R.M. Ozil and Khedira exemplifies amazing yet under-hyped players and Pedro Leon is shining. Real Madrid, is scary. Ozil is the new glue of RM. His play is so good and you can see just how confortable he is playing in the middle of the pitch with his buddy Khedira. Khedira handles all the dirty work while Ozil is the finese player. It is kind of interesting how an injury of Ballack led to Ozil showcasing himself and ending up as an integral part of a top Spanish team coached by arguably one of the best coachs to ever grace the game of football. | ||
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Azza
China650 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
Pretty much Villa vs Forland and Aguero vs Messi. hope it will be a good game | ||
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
On September 18 2010 01:17 Azza wrote: Ozil would have started anyway, it was Kherdia who benefited from Ballack's injury. I think you are missing the point. You could be right that he may have started but he would have definitely not been the target player with Ballack on the field. There is no arguing with that. | ||
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eaT_Mi_Lquid
Germany509 Posts
 Özil is the perfect replacement for them.What i noticed from this thread is that there are Juve fans here at TL. Are you just disappointed or just hiding ? xD gosh , I'm so mean, cuz I like to see Juve going down. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On September 18 2010 05:33 kidd wrote: I think you are missing the point. You could be right that he may have started but he would have definitely not been the target player with Ballack on the field. There is no arguing with that. Schweinsteiger was the target player on the field. I dont get your point. | ||
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Azza
China650 Posts
On September 18 2010 05:33 kidd wrote: I think you are missing the point. You could be right that he may have started but he would have definitely not been the target player with Ballack on the field. There is no arguing with that. I have seen Ballack play for Chelsea for the past four seasons in the premiership and he is definitely not a target man in my eyes. Not sure how it works out for Germany as I don't follow them as a team, but Ozil is the attacking midfielder and how he was breaking through into the national team then I would have to argue against that. Any German can set me straight ;p | ||
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Maenander
Germany4927 Posts
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razamanaz
271 Posts
On September 17 2010 01:51 kidd wrote: Basically when Messi is agitated he can change an entire game himself. That guy is on another level. But I can't help to think that Pana scoring first kind of drove that out of him because they (he and Barca) looked quite lackluster before that moment. Now i didnt see this exact game , but from what ive seen before this season Messi isnt THE player in barca (not from fan viewpoint ofc) .Imo too much credit is given to Messi . Now dont get me wrong - he is a genius player , but ppl tend to forget players like Xavi and Iniesta . Imo they are much more valuable than Messi . When barca cant get they play going in the midle , Messi cant do much either . | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On September 18 2010 06:19 razamanaz wrote: Now i didnt see this exact game , but from what ive seen before this season Messi isnt THE player in barca (not from fan viewpoint ofc) .Imo too much credit is given to Messi . Now dont get me wrong - he is a genius player , but ppl tend to forget players like Xavi and Iniesta . Imo they are much more valuable than Messi . When barca cant get they play going in the midle , Messi cant do much either . Actually if you look at many of Spain's games you notice they cant use their superiority at all. Especially in the WC, almost all goals were only super individual efforts from Villa. Messi is at least as important to Barca as Xavi. Messi is the best striker in the world atm. | ||
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razamanaz
271 Posts
On September 18 2010 06:31 SuperArc wrote: Actually if you look at many of Spain's games you notice they cant use their superiority at all. Especially in the WC, almost all goals were only super individual efforts from Villa. Messi is at least as important to Barca as Xavi. Messi is the best striker in the world atm. Players in WC always perform a lot worse than in they clubs , main reason is that they dont play too much with each other (expect for spain midfield witch is best in the world in both club play and national team) . Strikers wont score if midfielders wont pass them good balls and thats why i say that barcas midfield is underrated . | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
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eaT_Mi_Lquid
Germany509 Posts
If you look at other great players there are many that only succeed for 1 team and fails for any other team, the reasons for it may be differently (coaching/staffs, personal problems, mentality etc.) but i BELIEVE that a huge factor is whether they have the ability to change or adapt their style to have success. All this things combined equals to something i would call "footballing intelligence" and for me this is the main factor by which I rate players, AND NOT by scoring goals like a machine domestically, where you don't have a basis for comparisons.... Messi excells only in scoring goals for Barcelona and has only been successful with Barca, not like others (e.g. Zidane) who were sucessful everywhere where they arrived at, therefore I wouldn't call him one of the greatest yet. As whether he is or is not the current best player, i don't know because his success is strongly tied with contributions of other players like Xavi/Iniesta and he isn't really an one-man show by himself. | ||
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pyro19
6575 Posts
Hope Rooney and Scholes Bring their A game to the match . | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On September 18 2010 07:13 eaT_Mi_Lquid wrote: Messi is neither on another level nor overrated, because it is the whole Barca team that's running like an oiled machine ! However you only see Messi deciding games on his own while playing for Barca, but u won't see Messi deciding games for Argentina. He has played since his youth for Barca and he knows the Barca style in and out. And by playing this Barca style he can shine and he can be one of the best, because he has teammates who also know this Barca style in and out, and together they gel like no other team. In my eyes he's a superb player but he has to prove himself to be the greatest by suceeding with another team other than Barca. I don't think that the reason he fails for Argentina is because of uncapable Argentinean teammates or coaches, but it is his style which he has learnt at barca and (yet) can not changed for the Argentinean national team. If you look at other great players there are many that only succeed for 1 team and fails for any other team, the reasons for it may be differently (coaching/staffs, personal problems, mentality etc.) but i BELIEVE that a huge factor is whether they have the ability to change or adapt their style to have success. All this things combined equals to something i would call "footballing intelligence" and for me this is the main factor by which I rate players, AND NOT by scoring goals like a machine domestically, where you don't have a basis for comparisons.... Messi excells only in scoring goals for Barcelona and has only been successful with Barca, not like others (e.g. Zidane) who were sucessful everywhere where they arrived at, therefore I wouldn't call him one of the greatest yet. As whether he is or is not the current best player, i don't know because his success is strongly tied with contributions of other players like Xavi/Iniesta and he isn't really an one-man show by himself. Some things you are said are just wrong imo. 1) Messi is on another level than most other professional players. Its a fact. 2) I dont know for what reason Messi isnt doing well in Argentina but it has to be something else than his skills suddenly droping to zero. So its nothing you can blame him for imo. 3) I definitely would call him one of the greatest already. Definitely. And everyone who loves and knows soccer no matter which team he supports should agree. 4) I agree that playing in Barca with such amazing partners as xavi, iniesta, villa ect.. doesnt hurt but how can you say messi is not a one-man show by himself ? He scored 4 goals vs Arsenal. He scored 3 goals in so many games in La Liga. Now you might again say but thats due the style and strength of barca and I partially agree but did u see how many goals messi scored where he just was fooling with 2-5 defensive players and simply put the ball into the back of the net ? I mean watch some of his goals. The majority of them are just a one man show.. Just my thoughts, though | ||
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