EPT2010-2011 football (soccer) thread - Page 193
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
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Pads
England3228 Posts
On May 13 2011 21:53 -Kato- wrote: Barça needed just 1 point to win la Liga, Levante needed 1 point to have better chances at staying in Primera. Last 15 minutes Barça was happy to have the ball doing nothing while Levante was happy looking at them, no need to risk injuries when something as big as the CL finals are coming up. Barça is averaging 2,875 goals per game, thats boredom for you. Let the hate continue. For clarity's sake, I think it's 2.875 rather than two thousand eight hundred and seventy five ^_^ | ||
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-Kato-
Spain1146 Posts
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warding
Portugal2394 Posts
Apart from Buffon, which other GK had a transfer value that high? | ||
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
On May 13 2011 22:02 -Kato- wrote: True dat, in Spain we use commas not points. Most of the world uses commas, it is even international standard. @ warding Buffon had no value in Neuers region. If you factor in inflation Juve paid more than 50 million for him :p | ||
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
On May 13 2011 21:53 -Kato- wrote: Barça needed just 1 point to win la Liga, Levante needed 1 point to have better chances at staying in Primera. Last 15 minutes Barça was happy to have the ball doing nothing while Levante was happy looking at them, no need to risk injuries when something as big as the CL finals are coming up. Barça is averaging 2,875 goals per game, thats boredom for you. Let the hate continue. It's a joke, lighten up. | ||
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AngryLlama
United States1227 Posts
heh, i guess the humor you find from it, is because many people find that to be true. "barca dominate possession = boring football" Not to mention, it's an overused, ungrounded joke/point imo because to me, it seems like "haters" will try to find any reason to take a shot and attempt to diminish barca's success right now. 2.875 gols a game? = booooring apparently. -_- (not to mention the quality of many their goals are brilliant and are usually pure eye candy because of the fluidity and successful teamwork used to get to the goal) Anyway, I'm coming to terms with some people just not appreciating their tiki-taka style because initially it was impossible for me to believe, since i couldn't think of a single 'legitimate' reason why a football lover would not love to watch the greatest team play the best football. (imo i suppose) Sometimes people on this forum make me feel like i might be the weird one for loving the way barca plays. =O But then i watch barca play and all that speculation about whether or not their style is ideal melts away when i watch xavi's brilliant vision, or iniesta's twists and twirls or messi's pure raw magic hehehe | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
On May 13 2011 22:08 warding wrote: Apart from Buffon, which other GK had a transfer value that high? if a team buys a great young goalkeeper, he can be on top level for 10-15 years in any team, its very cheap in the end if we look at the investment made economically goalkeepers are an exception from any other position i think, they tend to retire at far older age and generally they stay with the club for many years. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28731 Posts
they defend while they have possession of the ball. they do so even if the score is tied. no matter how technically gifted their players are, that's always going to be boring, and they do it a LOT. the notion that "our opponents cant score while we're maintaining control of the ball, but we can score if we do" is obviously correct - but when you have a situation where their opponents cant score, and where barcelona isn't trying to, then watching becomes really really boring. I much, much prefer watching teams that defend while they're not in possession of the ball (even an all-out defense) but that immediately try to attack when they gain possession - and matches where both teams are playing like this are truly wonderful to watch. Note that in sports like handball, doing this (passing without trying to attack too much) is illegal and results in the ball being overturned, because watching a team have the lead and pass the ball around is so boring that it'd kill the sport if they didn't have that rule. barcelona has developed their passing to such a level that they're capable of simply passing the ball to eachother without error for much longer periods of time than what is permitted in handball. if barcelona started out each game being behind 2-0 they'd be incredibly fun to watch until they caught up, but as it is now, the quality of their offense (best in the world!) just doesn't excite me, because I dislike their general style of play and hate all the ridiculousness their players surround themselves with. I also wouldn't mind their style of play if they were less good at it, because then they'd occasionally lose the ball in crucial areas resulting in goalscoring opportunities, but when barcelona is playing their a-game that just doesn't seem to happen. | ||
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AngryLlama
United States1227 Posts
Also, i'd like to point out that i think many people (not you eri) seem to make barca's passing the ball around much more than it actually is. People like to make it seem like all barca does is pass back and forth with no real intention of getting to goal. This can't farther away from the truth. For the people that believe this, i ask to watch an entire game with unbias eyes and be honest as to whether or not it looks like they're "just passing the ball around." I can bet you that many will realize that every pass they make is because it was the best pass at that moment and that was the only way at the time they could get the ball away from harms way. But after they pass it back, then the ball goes right back up to try again. It's a process: if one way doesn't work, then you move it around (without giving up possession) and try the other way. | ||
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DrN0
United Kingdom184 Posts
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uberMatt
Canada659 Posts
On May 14 2011 02:26 AngryLlama wrote: Yeah, truly different values we have when it comes to what's the most aesthetically pleasing style. For me, when i watch a team play with guts and glory and simply attack when they have the ball, which usually results in a quick loss in possession; it becomes frustrating because so many mistakes are made. I want to watch successful strategies that orchestrate terrific goals and if that means being patient with the ball and waiting for an opening, then so be it. I have no problem watching a team get a feel for the other team by passing it around them for a bit. Because or else, they'd be like so many of the other teams out there and start lobbing the ball up and down the field with no real plan of action other than "ATTACK!" I love the methodical approach barca take. They wait, they poach and they most importantly PASS. Passing is key to unlocking a team's fatigue side and bring out their inner frustration. Most all other teams in the world would follow this system if they could, but i don't think it's possible since barca has been spoon fed this system ever since their teenage academy days, so they know this system inside and out which is why they are so great at it; which in turn, for me, makes them a marvelous sight of beauty and control. Also, i'd like to point out that i think many people (not you eri) seem to make barca's passing the ball around much more than it actually is. People like to make it seem like all barca does is pass back and forth with no real intention of getting to goal. This can't farther away from the truth. For the people that believe this, i ask to watch an entire game with unbias eyes and be honest as to whether or not it looks like they're "just passing the ball around." I can bet you that many will realize that every pass they make is because it was the best pass at that moment and that was the only way at the time they could get the ball away from harms way. But after they pass it back, then the ball goes right back up to try again. It's a process: if one way doesn't work, then you move it around (without giving up possession) and try the other way. there is a middle ground between "lobbing the ball up and down the field with no plan of attack [and making] so many mistakes" and the barcelona system. it is not a very good counter-argument if you simply take the worst example you can think of an attacking team and point out how barcelona is more entertaining than them. no one competent is suggesting that barcelona is "just passing the ball around", but there is a clear shift in styles when barcelona need to score, and when they can keep possession and wait for their opponents to make a mistake. all teams do this while in the lead, of course, but barcelona is simply so good in possession that they very rarely lose the ball, which leads to less entertainment for the neutral observer. | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
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Pads
England3228 Posts
On May 13 2011 22:09 clusen wrote: Most of the world uses commas, it is even international standard. Ah, I wasn't aware of this, in England we use .'s for decimal points and ,'s to seperate large numbers. np then ^_^. | ||
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Lori.
Germany97 Posts
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
On May 14 2011 01:49 AngryLlama wrote: guys who is seemingly calm and being at least fairly objective, explains why that picture is stupid by summarizing the situation and posting factual evidence to the contrary and you retreat by saying "lighten up" ? heh, i guess the humor you find from it, is because many people find that to be true. "barca dominate possession = boring football" Not to mention, it's an overused, ungrounded joke/point imo because to me, it seems like "haters" will try to find any reason to take a shot and attempt to diminish barca's success right now. 2.875 gols a game? = booooring apparently. -_- (not to mention the quality of many their goals are brilliant and are usually pure eye candy because of the fluidity and successful teamwork used to get to the goal) Anyway, I'm coming to terms with some people just not appreciating their tiki-taka style because initially it was impossible for me to believe, since i couldn't think of a single 'legitimate' reason why a football lover would not love to watch the greatest team play the best football. (imo i suppose) Sometimes people on this forum make me feel like i might be the weird one for loving the way barca plays. =O But then i watch barca play and all that speculation about whether or not their style is ideal melts away when i watch xavi's brilliant vision, or iniesta's twists and twirls or messi's pure raw magic hehehe Because it's quite clearly a joke using stats taken out of context, and leaping to the defence of the team because of it is a bit much. On your point, you assume that people love football solely because of how teams play. You don't factor in competition and enjoying watching two teams take the game to each other with end to end action and the final outcome hard to predict until its over. A 4 - 4 victory where a team takes the lead, concedes a goal then falls behind only to come back to take the lead again and then surrender a draw in the final moments. You wont find such games if you use the 'total football' approach because you are so focused on keeping possession you hardly take risks. I favour competitiveness and excitement over watching a team pass the ball amongst themselves nicely. Is that legitimate enough? If you get excited by pretty passes then by all means enjoy Barcelona, but that's not the only thing there is to enjoy in football. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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Pads
England3228 Posts
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
always glad to see teams like birmingham and stoke winning some trophies | ||
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
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