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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
May 25 2012 23:05 GMT
#10081
If you dont liek the factor of kiting, it simply means that you dont like the game and you have a different taste than most people who are playing it... I dont like WoW and CoD either but i dont ask the companies who made them to change it... :-/

I enjoy D3 they way it is right now.
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Aixler
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands946 Posts
May 25 2012 23:05 GMT
#10082
On May 26 2012 07:51 Amui wrote:
Attempted to kite the birds(horde arcane) somewhere out of the way and then this happened. At times like these, I like to laugh to myself while leaving the game out of frustration.


Thank you for posting that picture, made me laugh while i remembered that i felt exactly the same at times. I love how a game can make me ragequit with a smile on my face. The last time that happened was dwarf fortress i think.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-25 23:12:15
May 25 2012 23:09 GMT
#10083
On May 26 2012 07:29 Dfgj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 07:20 Djzapz wrote:
On May 26 2012 06:55 Dfgj wrote:
On May 26 2012 06:52 Djzapz wrote:
On May 26 2012 06:43 Dfgj wrote:
On May 26 2012 06:39 Djzapz wrote:
On May 26 2012 05:53 dAPhREAk wrote:
On May 26 2012 05:47 solidbebe wrote:
On May 26 2012 05:41 dAPhREAk wrote:
On May 26 2012 05:31 Djzapz wrote:
[quote]
Hey I'm not a game designer, if I gave my opinion would you ask me to mod it into the game too?

I don't think I'm the one with a solution anyway, some things just suck. I expect more from Blizzard (well not really anymore). I'm filthy rich considering how much I've played, because I subjugated myself to kiting uni-dimensional bullshit packs of trash mobs. There's a huge gap between me and the people I know because I happened to choose the "right" class. Either way, trash is going to get old so maybe they'll catch up.

I'm wondering though, are you suggesting it's fine as it is? I mean, you're allowed to like kiting all day, maybe that's your thang.

if you arent kiting that means either (1) you are able to kill them with no effort (i.e., you kill them before they can get to you), or (2) you are able to tank all their damage. as a wizard or demon hunter, if you are able to do (1) or (2), the game is incredibly stupid. i sometimes level my brothers in normal/nightmare with my level 60 character, and its no fun at all.

obviously this is different for team dynamics since you will have melee + ranged players. if you are complaining about there not being adequate gear for barb/monks to not get one-shotted then i am with you. if you are complaining because they cant just sit there for days getting wailed on then i am not with you. diablo is so easy. people should have to put some thought into how they are going to approach bosses and what skills are best.


Every class should be able to solo inferno ( blizz even said they strive to have this). Wizard and demon hunter should each be tanks and dps on their own, basically an all rounded character. But as it stands in inferno, only the classes that manage not to get hit survive, and the melee classes just die. imo a wiz/DH shouldn't be a beast tank ( like you say) but they def should be able to take some damage.

i thought the whole idea of inferno was that its fucking impossible to beat. its for the people who like to grind and grind and grind to get the .00000001% of the items that will actually allow the impossible to happen.

if the gear/skillset isnt there to allow all characters to do beat inferno then i am with you guys that its stupid. however, if you are saying you dont want to grind to get the appropriate gear. well, then the game ends at hell like the first two diablos.

this is the first diablo where i feel it is a challenge to beat it because inferno is insane. the first two were easy and i could beat it playing casually.

The challenge is different for each class. And I don't care that kiting shows difficulty, after 4 minutes dragging a mob around, I really wish he'd have just died 3 minutes ago.

What is your dps?

About 32k without sharpshooter, 47k with (not that it matters, but people tend to give that figure).

I was going to make a comment on the lines of 'hurr no enough dps if you kite so long' but honestly I don't know what DH dps is supposed to look like.

So, uh, I guess you could use some more for Inferno.

Sure, but it'll still be boring.

If your argument is that the 'kiting stuff around' period is too long and dull, then having better gear solves that.

If, however, your argument is that killing mobs is dull, then, well, Diablo kind of falls flat.

My argument is mostly that kiting mobs always in the same way is going to be boring, more importantly though my main concern is that the fact that melee classes can't even dream of doing inferno, let alone farming it.


On May 26 2012 08:05 NB wrote:
If you dont liek the factor of kiting, it simply means that you dont like the game and you have a different taste than most people who are playing it... I dont like WoW and CoD either but i dont ask the companies who made them to change it... :-/

I enjoy D3 they way it is right now.

I enjoyed the game up until now. I believe that anyone who think they'll play this endgame for a long time is shallow though. Honestly I can't imagine myself kiting for hours and hours at this point. It's like playing tic tac toe all day. You've got it, now move on, because the only thing that'll change is how fast you can play tic tac toe.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
May 25 2012 23:12 GMT
#10084
The day you can kite your way through hardcore inferno and kill diablo is the day you've completely and totally 'got it' :D
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Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
May 25 2012 23:12 GMT
#10085
On May 26 2012 08:09 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 07:29 Dfgj wrote:
On May 26 2012 07:20 Djzapz wrote:
On May 26 2012 06:55 Dfgj wrote:
On May 26 2012 06:52 Djzapz wrote:
On May 26 2012 06:43 Dfgj wrote:
On May 26 2012 06:39 Djzapz wrote:
On May 26 2012 05:53 dAPhREAk wrote:
On May 26 2012 05:47 solidbebe wrote:
On May 26 2012 05:41 dAPhREAk wrote:
[quote]
if you arent kiting that means either (1) you are able to kill them with no effort (i.e., you kill them before they can get to you), or (2) you are able to tank all their damage. as a wizard or demon hunter, if you are able to do (1) or (2), the game is incredibly stupid. i sometimes level my brothers in normal/nightmare with my level 60 character, and its no fun at all.

obviously this is different for team dynamics since you will have melee + ranged players. if you are complaining about there not being adequate gear for barb/monks to not get one-shotted then i am with you. if you are complaining because they cant just sit there for days getting wailed on then i am not with you. diablo is so easy. people should have to put some thought into how they are going to approach bosses and what skills are best.


Every class should be able to solo inferno ( blizz even said they strive to have this). Wizard and demon hunter should each be tanks and dps on their own, basically an all rounded character. But as it stands in inferno, only the classes that manage not to get hit survive, and the melee classes just die. imo a wiz/DH shouldn't be a beast tank ( like you say) but they def should be able to take some damage.

i thought the whole idea of inferno was that its fucking impossible to beat. its for the people who like to grind and grind and grind to get the .00000001% of the items that will actually allow the impossible to happen.

if the gear/skillset isnt there to allow all characters to do beat inferno then i am with you guys that its stupid. however, if you are saying you dont want to grind to get the appropriate gear. well, then the game ends at hell like the first two diablos.

this is the first diablo where i feel it is a challenge to beat it because inferno is insane. the first two were easy and i could beat it playing casually.

The challenge is different for each class. And I don't care that kiting shows difficulty, after 4 minutes dragging a mob around, I really wish he'd have just died 3 minutes ago.

What is your dps?

About 32k without sharpshooter, 47k with (not that it matters, but people tend to give that figure).

I was going to make a comment on the lines of 'hurr no enough dps if you kite so long' but honestly I don't know what DH dps is supposed to look like.

So, uh, I guess you could use some more for Inferno.

Sure, but it'll still be boring.

If your argument is that the 'kiting stuff around' period is too long and dull, then having better gear solves that.

If, however, your argument is that killing mobs is dull, then, well, Diablo kind of falls flat.

My argument is mostly that kiting mobs always in the same way is going to be boring, more importantly though my main concern is that the fact that melee classes can't even dream of doing inferno, let alone farming it.


Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 08:05 NB wrote:
If you dont liek the factor of kiting, it simply means that you dont like the game and you have a different taste than most people who are playing it... I dont like WoW and CoD either but i dont ask the companies who made them to change it... :-/

I enjoy D3 they way it is right now.

I enjoyed the game up until now. I believe that anyone who think they'll play this endgame for a long time is shallow though. Honestly I can't imagine myself kiting for hours and hours at this point. It's like playing tic tac toe all day. You've got it, now move on.

tbh there are enough mobs that aren't generic 'run towards you and attack' that kiting monotony gets broken up for me, at least for now
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-25 23:16:20
May 25 2012 23:14 GMT
#10086
Extra health + mortar + jailer + fast, small spider mobs

I'm a wizard

Any suggestions?
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Aixler
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands946 Posts
May 25 2012 23:16 GMT
#10087
use the crit build while it still works =)
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
May 25 2012 23:16 GMT
#10088
On May 26 2012 08:14 Firebolt145 wrote:
Extra health + mortar + jailer + fast

I'm a wizard

Any suggestions?

Illusionist + teleport (Fracture)

But it depends what the actual mob is, if it's something puny like a Succubus then np, if it's a Soul Ripper or Phasebeast, leave game log out uninstall throw computer out the window
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
May 25 2012 23:16 GMT
#10089
Just edited in that they're small spiders

Might go for the out the window option
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Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
May 25 2012 23:19 GMT
#10090
On May 26 2012 08:16 Firebolt145 wrote:
Just edited in that they're small spiders

Might go for the out the window option

Oh god, those little Spiderling things that move really fast? ;_;
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-25 23:20:56
May 25 2012 23:20 GMT
#10091
Yep.

edit: and they also have the fast affix. Just remade the game, crossed fingers now.
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KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4369 Posts
May 25 2012 23:21 GMT
#10092
Hey guys sorry for the stupid question.

Earlier today I opened D3 and in that screen where it says the game is up to date and play, the windows firewall blocked the opening of something with blizzard and update and agent.something (the something part was a number) in the name. From people's comments and some Bnet posts I believe there was a patch or a hotfix today/yesterday maybe?

The thing is, due to all people being hacked I opted to close the d3 opener and the firewall warning and search for any evidence of a patch or that blizzard/agentsomething is nothing bad. I ran cccleaner and it found a few things with agentsomething in the name (but they werent considered malware or something, just warnings). I cleaned and deleted according to the program recommendation and then tried to open the game again and it still said game is up to date and the thing to patch (I think) didn't appear this time.

Well my question is, am I paranoid and that thing the firewall asked if it was ok to block was the normal D3 patching stuff working? If so, why didn't it show up when I started the game again? If it wasn't something normal, am I safe to assume that the ccleaner took care of it and Im now safe?

Its late around here and Im sleepy so sorry if this is even more dumb than what it looks like to me writing it, but the hack paranoia is killing me right now TT.
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
noidontthinkso
Profile Joined April 2011
Greece94 Posts
May 25 2012 23:29 GMT
#10093
will you remember diablo 3 in 10 years like u remember Diablo 2 LoD?

for me, no, but i will remember diablo 2 lod in 20 years



i5 2500k @ 4.5 GHz, GTX560 Ti, 8GB G-Skill RipJaws DDR3-2000 @1600Mhz CAS 6
Coolness53
Profile Joined April 2010
United States668 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-25 23:36:04
May 25 2012 23:34 GMT
#10094
On May 26 2012 08:29 noidontthinkso wrote:
will you remember diablo 3 in 10 years like u remember Diablo 2 LoD?

for me, no, but i will remember diablo 2 lod in 20 years





To early to tell but if I had to take a guess yes...I think this game is going to be huge for quite sometime. Especially when this is released on console. All the people that will be playing it through the 2/3 expansions.

Also Diablo II was seriously pretty boring in the beginning and when LoD there were so many bugs with it. If you had a lot of mf you can auto get uniques/set items.
Fruitdealer, DongRaeGu, and Soulkey
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
May 25 2012 23:39 GMT
#10095
On May 26 2012 08:29 noidontthinkso wrote:
will you remember diablo 3 in 10 years like u remember Diablo 2 LoD?

for me, no, but i will remember diablo 2 lod in 20 years




i remember diablo 1 just as fondly as diablo 2 and i think diablo 3 is better.
Elegance
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada917 Posts
May 25 2012 23:45 GMT
#10096
On May 26 2012 08:21 KobraKay wrote:
Hey guys sorry for the stupid question.

Earlier today I opened D3 and in that screen where it says the game is up to date and play, the windows firewall blocked the opening of something with blizzard and update and agent.something (the something part was a number) in the name. From people's comments and some Bnet posts I believe there was a patch or a hotfix today/yesterday maybe?

The thing is, due to all people being hacked I opted to close the d3 opener and the firewall warning and search for any evidence of a patch or that blizzard/agentsomething is nothing bad. I ran cccleaner and it found a few things with agentsomething in the name (but they werent considered malware or something, just warnings). I cleaned and deleted according to the program recommendation and then tried to open the game again and it still said game is up to date and the thing to patch (I think) didn't appear this time.

Well my question is, am I paranoid and that thing the firewall asked if it was ok to block was the normal D3 patching stuff working? If so, why didn't it show up when I started the game again? If it wasn't something normal, am I safe to assume that the ccleaner took care of it and Im now safe?

Its late around here and Im sleepy so sorry if this is even more dumb than what it looks like to me writing it, but the hack paranoia is killing me right now TT.

I'd like to know as well (I did update)
Power of Ze
dthree
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia150 Posts
May 25 2012 23:47 GMT
#10097
Do you have to be level 60 to be able to assign any skill to any button or there something wrong with my game?
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
May 25 2012 23:48 GMT
#10098
On May 26 2012 08:29 noidontthinkso wrote:
will you remember diablo 3 in 10 years like u remember Diablo 2 LoD?

for me, no, but i will remember diablo 2 lod in 20 years

That's a fair comparision, Diablo 2 + it's expansion compared to Diablo 3 when it's 1 week old.

If what you really asking is "Do you think D3 pwns the shit out of D2 Lod?" Then yes, it definitely does. And yes, D3 + expansions will be remembered, trust me.
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
May 25 2012 23:49 GMT
#10099
On May 26 2012 08:47 dthree wrote:
Do you have to be level 60 to be able to assign any skill to any button or there something wrong with my game?

Nope, go to Options -> Gameplay and enable 'Elective Mode'
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
May 25 2012 23:49 GMT
#10100
On May 26 2012 08:47 dthree wrote:
Do you have to be level 60 to be able to assign any skill to any button or there something wrong with my game?

Tried checking the options menu? There's something called elective mode there which you will find quite relevant.
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