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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16837 Posts
On November 05 2016 01:46 Jer99 wrote: I disagree, I think Diablo has become utter trash now do you know how season mode works in Borderlands? on a public google spreadsheet via the honour system. | ||
Valiver
Caldeum1977 Posts
On November 05 2016 01:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote: do you know how season mode works in Borderlands? on a public google spreadsheet via the honour system. He said "I disagree, I think Diablo has become utter trash now" not "I disagree, I think Borderlands is fine how it is." This is a diablo thread. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16837 Posts
the long term engagement mechanics for D3 are far superior to another game employing similar loot mechanics released in the same year. the $60 i spent on Diablo3 was better money spent than the $15 i spent on Borderlands2 during one of those Steam Sales. | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On November 05 2016 01:47 Foxxan wrote: Both having power. Good interaction for both ways. Interesting micro=None-script gameplay, improvisation in combat, reaction time-accuracy-decision making-outmaneover. Meaningful choices, no "waste" of time. Game starting immediately. Imagine if a rts game didnt revolve around timings as much. Instead, both races can attack at the same time so you fight for map, try to outmaneover opponent with INTERESTING micro. Ok. So that's a subjective opinion. So when you say "good" you mean what you think is good. Which is a fair opinion; I'm sure many agree with you and many also don't. We have people arguing aimlessly like dogs barking in the middle of the night about what makes games good when it's very subjective. Sales are fair to cite when discussing the popularity/quality of a game, since that's one of the few metrics that exists, but we also know that sales can serve as a very poor gauge for quality as well, with some notable recent examples coming to mind... It's hard to quantify a "good game". Stating the same opinion over and over to someone that clearly doesn't care or isn't listening is pointless lol. I would argue D3 has tons of issues when it comes to sustainable fun and replayability, but I still make a couple new chars and push to GR60+ every season. I would argue that the hole they've dug themselves into with the way set bonuses work and the HUGE damage increases (800% to X ability...) is a really tough one to get out of without a major rework of the game's core approach and skill system, but I also think it well served it's purpose of buffing certain sets/builds each season to give most classes something new to try. In that sense I was kind of hoping to hear something about D4 rather than another expansion, but I'm not getting my hopes up. And I'm also not someone that played much D2 or PoE or any other similar titles. Edit: I'm not claiming that debating or discussing what makes a game good or bad is pointless. Folks will do that until the end of times. But watching you and Jimmy was definitely pointless lol. If you have a strong opinion about something you need to do a better job of persuading people rather than stating is as a bold fact. I know plenty of people that would love a really deep skill/rune system in a future D3 expansion or D4, but don't think D3 is utter rubbish or that Blizzard is a bunch of fools. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On November 05 2016 01:47 Foxxan wrote: Both having power. Good interaction for both ways. Interesting micro=None-script gameplay, improvisation in combat, reaction time-accuracy-decision making-outmaneover. Meaningful choices, no "waste" of time. Game starting immediately. Imagine if a rts game didnt revolve around timings as much. Instead, both races can attack at the same time so you fight for map, try to outmaneover opponent with INTERESTING micro. I prefer Diablo 3 to Diablo 2 and you'll never convince me otherwise, just as I'll never convince you otherwise. My problem is that you Diablo 2 guys keep trying to convince everybody otherwise. Both Diablo 2 and Diablo 3 are old games at this point. It doesn't matter which is still more popular on twitch as that is only a very, very, very, very tiny fraction of the playerbase. You guys are moving the goalposts and arguing about very meaningless metrics. You're trying to pass off your very subjective opinions as to what constitutes a good game and shoving it down our throats. | ||
Jer99
Canada8158 Posts
One of the biggest flaws is the leveling systen. Hitting level 70 takes hours, and every level before it is meaningless since all good gear drops only at level 70, so why bother having to level up to 70 in the first place? I guess it's just there as a legacy system. And as soon as you hit 70, all gear instantly becomes accessible, there's no harder areas to get better gear. My biggest issue was taking out the trading system. Like what the hell, why is there no trading in an online multiplayer game that incorporates items as the core of its gameplay? I understand that they implemented loot 2.0 to counterbalance this, but to me I'd rather the ability to trade off items and gear to get upgrades. This also takes out the incentive to play with other people. Sure you get a MF/XP/whatever bonus with other players in the game, but you can get all the gear solo just as easily. Sure Diablo 3 on release wasn't the greatest, but at least inferno was crazy hard and fun. And it wasn't only about maximizing DPS too, survivability was a much bigger factor back then. Leveling up was fun, now it's benign. Trading was fun, now it's impossible. | ||
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Isualin
Germany1903 Posts
On November 05 2016 02:47 Jer99 wrote: My biggest issue was taking out the trading system. Like what the hell, why is there no trading in an online multiplayer game that incorporates items as the core of its gameplay? I understand that they implemented loot 2.0 to counterbalance this, but to me I'd rather the ability to trade off items and gear to get upgrades. This also takes out the incentive to play with other people. Sure you get a MF/XP/whatever bonus with other players in the game, but you can get all the gear solo just as easily. I think auction house was the worst thing that happened to diablo 3. Back then you could just farm some gold and buy upgrades since prices were constantly going down and new items were entering the market every minute. I remember kripparians and other youtubers budget builds like 500k gold barbarian for inferno. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16837 Posts
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Daray
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Isualin
Germany1903 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21853 Posts
On November 05 2016 03:41 Isualin wrote: so... nothing about diablo3? D3 will be last. since its the only game with big news | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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Isualin
Germany1903 Posts
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
looks like i'll be playing "diablo 3" again | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
Hype = dead | ||
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Solmyr
Poland261 Posts
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Isualin
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dAPhREAk
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