• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:20
CEST 19:20
KST 02:20
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists19[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced
Tourneys
SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo) $5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) FSL Season 10 Individual Championship WardiTV Spring Cup
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
JaeDong's ASL S21 Ro16 Post-Review BW General Discussion ASL21 General Discussion Leta's ASL S21 Ro.16 review [ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 1 [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May Korean KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1407 users

Diablo III General Discussion - Page 1058

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 1056 1057 1058 1059 1060 1109 Next
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
February 24 2016 18:01 GMT
#21141
I don't know, in most RPGs / games in general, death is considered a failure state.
| (• ◡•)|╯ ╰(❍ᴥ❍ʋ)
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 24 2016 18:07 GMT
#21142
set dungeons fo fail when you die at least the ones that i did
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-24 18:10:06
February 24 2016 18:08 GMT
#21143
But when has it every been in Diablo?

D3 is the first time they made you restart bosses from the start if you die (and people seem to dislike that aspect). But the previous games you could just run back and pick up where you left off.

Edit: true, set dungeons and ubers are the same way too
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
February 24 2016 18:33 GMT
#21144
Well, Diablo is based on the likes of Gauntlet, where if you die, you just insert another coin and pick up where you left off.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
February 24 2016 22:25 GMT
#21145
On February 25 2016 00:32 Glacierz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2016 20:41 Cascade wrote:
On February 23 2016 23:21 Glacierz wrote:
On February 23 2016 21:02 Cascade wrote:
Hey guys.
Some advice on what next step for me is please?
my profile
(it seems like it snap-shotted just when i was changing gear, so my halo of arlyse isnt there at the time of posting, but it'll turn up soon, and it is pretty decent. Same goes for skills, the items are for DMO orb as you can see)

I have collected a fair amount of mats (of all kinds...) but not sure what to burn it on. I am thinking getting (upgrading and rerolling) an ancient chest and legs, as they both have multiple stats affected by ancientness.

Should I bother rerolling for better weapon and/or source? They are both pretty good, but not perfect rolls. The weapon should have area damage over attack speed I guess... Any item that I can start augmenting??

I personally wouldn't augment non-ancient gear except for well rolled rings/amulets.

Your could use better gloves, the CD is kinda low. Also, although your helm is ancient, the rolls are not ideal. I'd rather use a non ancient with skill dmg over 11% life.

I haven't played wiz much lately, but the popular high GR solo build seems to be a ET variant now. You might consider farming for that build instead of perfecting the arcane orbit.

Thanks!
For augmenting, I'd go with some of the best rolled ancients of course, that I don't anticipate to replace. Like the weapon or source.

For orb damage, does that scale multiplicatively or additively with triumvirate? I'd guess its additive... :/ The guide says int, vit, CC, socket, and I have +life instead of vit, which isn't as good, but not that far away either.

So you'd reroll gloves and helmet before torso or pants?


Gloves/helm gives you more dmg, the other pieces give you more survivability. Unless you are frequently getting 1 shot by random stuff, I'd go for more dmg.

I believe the bonus dmg of the same type are additive. It should work the same way as elemental dmg on different gear pieces. You can check by attacking with signature spells with char sheet open. Specific skill dmg should be listed on the detailed page there.

As a rule of thumb, stats that increases certain values are additive, stats that decrease (like CDR) are multiplicative to prevent it from going to <0.

Triumvirate gives like +500%, which means that stacking +orb damage on items is pretty useless if additive. +10% turns into less than 2% actual damage increase. I don't get one shot that much, but I do die and have to back out of battles due to taking too much damage. More life does help sustain, as barrier blades shield (which is your main mean of survival) scales with your life pool. So 900 vitality gives me more than 10% health pool and sustain. I think that's the reason that the guide has vitality on the helmet. The +%life roll i have gives me just below 10% increased life pool and sustain, but still more valuable in terms of high GR clearing speed than a 2% damage increase IMO.
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-24 23:46:13
February 24 2016 23:41 GMT
#21146
Do yourself a favor and try Grim Dawn / Path of Exile in case you liked D2.

I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
March 01 2016 11:13 GMT
#21147
ok. so basically i've maxed out my UE, just did a 77 and 200 on ladder. i have a dex/CHC/CHD HF currently.

i just managed to get a Fire/dex/CHD, do you think the 20% fire is worth more than the 10% CHC? i cbf doing another 70level gem augment to find out ==
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-01 14:27:33
March 01 2016 14:27 GMT
#21148
what other fire element% do you have for that build. haven't played 2.4 dh

generally dh should be at 55%crit 450% crit dmg(with the 10% from amulet) so the 10 crit% is like a 13.5% dmg increase overall. that's the same as going from 50% to 70% elemental.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
March 01 2016 17:49 GMT
#21149
I thought most ppl rolled main stat off their Hellfires.

20% Fire is likely worth more than 900 dex (that wouldn't even be 10% of your total dex would it?), but I'm not playing a DH this season.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-01 17:50:32
March 01 2016 17:50 GMT
#21150
Yeah fire%/CHC/CHD is probably ideal for that amulet, but I also don't DH so no promises. That's how it is for many builds though.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
March 01 2016 17:52 GMT
#21151
it depends on your paragon level, and end game goals. End game, Gr pushing, high plvl (1k+) and most/all ancient gear, you'd definitely roll off main stat in favor of %/CHD/CHC. If you're low paragon, not fully optimized yet with ancient gear etc., the main stat could be better.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
March 02 2016 00:10 GMT
#21152
On March 02 2016 02:50 Duka08 wrote:
Yeah fire%/CHC/CHD is probably ideal for that amulet, but I also don't DH so no promises. That's how it is for many builds though.


ideal, but near impossible to get, i've made 300 so far...

On March 02 2016 02:49 Wuster wrote:
I thought most ppl rolled main stat off their Hellfires.

20% Fire is likely worth more than 900 dex (that wouldn't even be 10% of your total dex would it?), but I'm not playing a DH this season.


yes, but because the variance on the HF is so high. my original was Phys/dex/CHD....so i rerolled the Phys to Fire....

the best i have now is the 850dex/20fire/80CHD compared to my current 930dex/10CHC/100CHD.

both ancient, just wanted to see if the 20fire is worth more than 10CHC
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-02 00:18:00
March 02 2016 00:17 GMT
#21153
On March 02 2016 02:52 crms wrote:
it depends on your paragon level, and end game goals. End game, Gr pushing, high plvl (1k+) and most/all ancient gear, you'd definitely roll off main stat in favor of %/CHD/CHC. If you're low paragon, not fully optimized yet with ancient gear etc., the main stat could be better.


i am 880 paragon, end game goal is to finish farming this DH, which is all done, everything 70+ augment as well. just the damn HF left. i have 17000 dex, i know i need to roll off the dex, but the closest HF i got so far was phy/dex/CHD.

On March 02 2016 02:50 Duka08 wrote:
Yeah fire%/CHC/CHD is probably ideal for that amulet, but I also don't DH so no promises. That's how it is for many builds though.


ideal, but near impossible to get, i've made 300 so far...

On March 02 2016 02:49 Wuster wrote:
I thought most ppl rolled main stat off their Hellfires.

20% Fire is likely worth more than 900 dex (that wouldn't even be 10% of your total dex would it?), but I'm not playing a DH this season.


yes, but because the variance on the HF is so high. my original was Phys/dex/CHD....so i rerolled the Phys to Fire....

the best i have now is the 850dex/20fire/80CHD compared to my current 930dex/10CHC/100CHD.

both ancient, just wanted to see if the 20fire is worth more than 10CHC

On March 01 2016 23:27 oneofthem wrote:
what other fire element% do you have for that build. haven't played 2.4 dh

generally dh should be at 55%crit 450% crit dmg(with the 10% from amulet) so the 10 crit% is like a 13.5% dmg increase overall. that's the same as going from 50% to 70% elemental.


i have 20% from bracer already. i'm currently on 61% crit, 510% crit dmg.
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
March 02 2016 00:18 GMT
#21154
yeah with your gear and stats, you're 100% correct to not want main stat on neck.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
March 02 2016 00:47 GMT
#21155
On March 02 2016 09:17 Doraemon wrote:
yes, but because the variance on the HF is so high. my original was Phys/dex/CHD....so i rerolled the Phys to Fire....

the best i have now is the 850dex/20fire/80CHD compared to my current 930dex/10CHC/100CHD.

both ancient, just wanted to see if the 20fire is worth more than 10CHC

Ah I misunderstood, It sounded like you crafted a HF with dex/fire/CHD and wanted to reroll the fire into CHC.

If you're just comparing those two necks, it's hard to say. Assuming you have the 20% fire dmg from bracers, then I think your current (930dex/10CHC/100CHD) neck is better. Using this d3planner I found on some guide and switching the neck stats to look like the two that you posted seems to give a better outcome with the dex/chc/chd one. But their chc/chd stats don't line up with yours exactly so maybe not for sure?? Play with the site a bit to get your own stats dialed in and see what the difference is.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-02 00:53:44
March 02 2016 00:49 GMT
#21156
well in that case the fire is better than the crit chance by like a fair bit. haven't napkin calculated. it's better to roll off the dex for the fire/crit chance though.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
March 02 2016 00:53 GMT
#21157
On March 02 2016 09:49 oneofthem wrote:
well in that case the fire is better than the crit chance by like 3%? haven't napkin calculated. it's better to roll off the dex for the fire/crit chance though.

Which he can't do because the original roll was Phys/Dex/CHD. He rerolled the Phys into Fire and wants to know how it compares to the Dex/CHC/CHD he already has.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
March 02 2016 02:23 GMT
#21158
On March 02 2016 09:49 oneofthem wrote:
well in that case the fire is better than the crit chance by like a fair bit. haven't napkin calculated. it's better to roll off the dex for the fire/crit chance though.


would love to, but can't. lol

On March 02 2016 09:53 Duka08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2016 09:49 oneofthem wrote:
well in that case the fire is better than the crit chance by like 3%? haven't napkin calculated. it's better to roll off the dex for the fire/crit chance though.

Which he can't do because the original roll was Phys/Dex/CHD. He rerolled the Phys into Fire and wants to know how it compares to the Dex/CHC/CHD he already has.


yes, this is right.

i don't want to waste my time doing another 70 lvls or gems to find the actual. but i have a feeling 20% fire is worth more than then 10% CHC. came here for opinion lol.
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 02 2016 02:42 GMT
#21159
well by your set up it's better. i'm not sure how to properly account for the convention of elements assuming you have that.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
March 02 2016 06:46 GMT
#21160
On March 02 2016 09:17 Doraemon wrote:
i have 17000 dex

the best i have now is the 850dex/20fire/80CHD compared to my current 930dex/10CHC/100CHD.

i have 20% from bracer already. i'm currently on 61% crit, 510% crit dmg.

Ok, let's do the calculations.

current alternative has multiplier from dex, elemental and CD:

170*1.2*(1+0.61*5.1) = 838.644

switching ammy would give you 16920 dex, 51% CC, 490% CD, 40% ED:

169.2*1.4*(1+0.51*4.9) = 828.84312

which is a bit less by about 1.2%. convention of element will make this difference larger. Increasing dex will make it a bit smaller, but will never turn the difference around.

Otherwise just take your sheet dps and multiply with your firedamage (1.2 or 1.4), and confirm that you get 1.2% more with the CC ammy.
Prev 1 1056 1057 1058 1059 1060 1109 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 40m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
UpATreeSC 129
BRAT_OK 82
StarCraft: Brood War
Jaedong 2605
Sea 1943
EffOrt 742
Mini 726
Stork 423
Hyuk 413
actioN 278
ggaemo 274
Rush 232
firebathero 181
[ Show more ]
ZerO 177
hero 93
Dewaltoss 71
Hyun 59
Bale 39
Sexy 37
PianO 37
sSak 27
Pusan 26
Free 26
Rock 24
GoRush 15
Shine 12
910 11
Terrorterran 9
Dota 2
Gorgc6289
qojqva2222
420jenkins257
Counter-Strike
fl0m5465
byalli604
edward87
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King81
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu1575
MindelVK15
Other Games
singsing1505
Grubby1237
B2W.Neo267
Sick167
crisheroes160
elazer135
KnowMe115
Hui .110
C9.Mang097
ArmadaUGS92
QueenE80
SpeCial55
Trikslyr37
ZerO(Twitch)18
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV167
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream49
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 23
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis1970
• TFBlade656
Other Games
• imaqtpie338
• WagamamaTV337
• Shiphtur187
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
6h 40m
GSL
16h 10m
Cure vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Bunny
KCM Race Survival
16h 40m
Big Gabe
18h 40m
Replay Cast
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 15h
Escore
1d 16h
OSC
1d 19h
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
2 days
IPSL
2 days
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
BSL
4 days
IPSL
4 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Snow vs Flash
GSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-28
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.