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Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-28 15:49:08
January 28 2016 15:43 GMT
#20921
The problem with gearing for LoN bombardment is you are looking for thorns on top of all the desired rolls on each ancient piece. Just because the item rolled ancient doesn't actually mean it's usable. This is especially true for slots that can go as high as 9k+ thorns such as chest/shoulders.

If you are gearing for the ultimate BiS endgame, it will probably take a few months of continuous grinding. Alkaizer, who has been leading the GR clears said in his most recent guide that all of his gear needs to be replaced still.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
January 28 2016 16:30 GMT
#20922
If you want BiS sure, that build is also fairly easy to achieve a decent level which is all most people can aim for.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Talaris
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland766 Posts
January 28 2016 16:59 GMT
#20923
On January 29 2016 00:43 Glacierz wrote:


If you are gearing for the ultimate BiS endgame, it will probably take a few months of continuous grinding. Alkaizer, who has been leading the GR clears said in his most recent guide that all of his gear needs to be replaced still.


mhm, while true, this also means that you don't even need BiS gear to top the GR leaderboards as the build is just so OP compared to other stuff.


The problem with gearing for LoN bombardment is you are looking for thorns on top of all the desired rolls on each ancient piece. Just because the item rolled ancient doesn't actually mean it's usable. This is especially true for slots that can go as high as 9k+ thorns such as chest/shoulders.

But isn't this true for items needing e.g. CDR as well ?
Or monks who want 4 great A-pool stats AND a resistance on B-pool ?

I think you can either go the apesh1t-route and farm for months for the perfect-a-roll + get thorns or settle with thorns and decent A-rolls. It looks blizz left some wiggle room due to the problematic you described.
(Ofc it sucks for perctionists, I totally agreee there)
-= Jaedong // HerO // HasuObs // Best // Rush =-
Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-28 18:12:15
January 28 2016 17:57 GMT
#20924
I think having thorns as a secondary is almost just as important as having the correct primary rolls.

Normally a hexing pants with Str, Vit, and AR would be good enough for the end game, but now it will need to be ancient and have thorns, that's like 1% chance GIVEN it rolled those 3 primaries+socket to begin with. You basically have only 1 property that can deviate due to the mystic enchant now.

The game evolved to a stage where it is easy to get legs, but the quality of the same legs differ too much. After batch IDing a bunch of stuff, if it didn't have a golden border it's auto-salvage. I don't even look at the stats anymore.

I still think the idea behind LoN is kinda cool, given all the buffs to set items, it makes people utilize the non-set legs. But the ancient requirement might as well just have the droprate cut to 10% for ancient non-set legs, and 90% souls.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
January 28 2016 18:25 GMT
#20925
I gotta think that's natural. There's an ideal set of gear out there and the closer you get the more stuff gets insta-destroyed.

The ancient system might put another rung in the ladder to perfection, but at least it color-codes things for you so you don't have to scan if you got enough of the right affixes before salvaging =p.

On that note, all these rungs seems to have increased the power creep significantly. Last season I finished plvl 200 in 53 hours (yes, yes I know I was super inefficient, I blame all those bounties I ran instead of rifts due to cube craziness, also wasted so much time farming for my first set). This season I'm closing in on plvl 300 in around 30 hours (guestimate due to season rebirth), still using the starter set, but I have 3 ancients (albeit 2 of them are the 'wrong' offset pieces so are placeholders).

I've just been doing pub rifts with the occasional grift binge for leg gems (still missing 2 out of the 3 my build wants lol). It's been crazy fast. Or maybe I just finally learned to farm...
DODswe4
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2157 Posts
January 28 2016 18:37 GMT
#20926
On January 29 2016 03:25 Wuster wrote:
I gotta think that's natural. There's an ideal set of gear out there and the closer you get the more stuff gets insta-destroyed.

The ancient system might put another rung in the ladder to perfection, but at least it color-codes things for you so you don't have to scan if you got enough of the right affixes before salvaging =p.

On that note, all these rungs seems to have increased the power creep significantly. Last season I finished plvl 200 in 53 hours (yes, yes I know I was super inefficient, I blame all those bounties I ran instead of rifts due to cube craziness, also wasted so much time farming for my first set). This season I'm closing in on plvl 300 in around 30 hours (guestimate due to season rebirth), still using the starter set, but I have 3 ancients (albeit 2 of them are the 'wrong' offset pieces so are placeholders).

I've just been doing pub rifts with the occasional grift binge for leg gems (still missing 2 out of the 3 my build wants lol). It's been crazy fast. Or maybe I just finally learned to farm...

you can see exactly how much time you have put into the season in your profile, under season
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
January 28 2016 18:41 GMT
#20927
Oh neat, and because I have OCD I just checked: 21 hours, 30 minutes. Wow, I thought I played a lot more than that.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-28 22:27:44
January 28 2016 20:12 GMT
#20928
Im actually building a LoN strafe DH, so far i have the visage of gunes, magefist, channeling shoulders, LoN (lol), wraps of clarity, balla bequest and kmar tenclip for weapons (+75-100% damage on each weapon)

i lack a cindercoat, zoey and whatever might be of us in legs (im actually thinking about fire walkers or ice climbers, maybe illusory ?)

cube: dawn, zodiac and aquila (since with cindercoat + vengeance i should have 100% hatred at all times, meaning 50% extra)

i may change zoey since ill only have 2 companions and with Visage/Aquila i think it should be more than enough, but im not sure what i may use
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-28 20:16:02
January 28 2016 20:15 GMT
#20929
Powercreep is intentionally introduced with each season just to keep the game fresh. I'm sure players don't want to spend time grinding to the same GR and paragons every season, especially given paragons don't have a realistic ceiling, you want to feel like you are progressing further and further even through the season resets.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
January 28 2016 20:20 GMT
#20930
On January 27 2016 09:06 smr wrote:
Looking forward to hear about your experiences. I can't make it work. I mean it works but a good 7-8grift levels lower than marauders for me. Think my biggest problem ist failing to go forward to pull more stuff together.

whats your gr with natalyas, just finished 55 with about 1/3 extra time
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
January 28 2016 20:21 GMT
#20931
Part of me appreciates the powercreep because I wouldn't be motivated otherwise to play. The other part wonders how long they can keep this up if we're getting 3 seasons a year.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
January 28 2016 21:12 GMT
#20932
On January 29 2016 05:15 Glacierz wrote:
Powercreep is intentionally introduced with each season just to keep the game fresh. I'm sure players don't want to spend time grinding to the same GR and paragons every season, especially given paragons don't have a realistic ceiling, you want to feel like you are progressing further and further even through the season resets.


The gift set to begin the season was really nice in this regard.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
January 28 2016 21:28 GMT
#20933
On January 29 2016 05:12 Faruko wrote:
so far im building a LoN strafe DH, so far i have the visage of gunes, magefist, channeling shoulders, LoN (lol), wraps of clarity, balla bequest and kmar tenclip for weapons (+75-100% damage on each weapon)

i lack a cindercoat, zoey and whatever might be of us in legs (im actually thinking about fire walkers or ice climbers, maybe illusory ?)

cube: dawn, zodiac and aquila (since with cindercoat + vengeance i should have 100% hatred at all times, meaning 50% extra)

i may change zoey since ill only have 2 companions and with Visage/Aquila i think it should be more than enough, but im not sure what i may use


There is always WH
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-29 10:10:54
January 29 2016 07:45 GMT
#20934
On January 29 2016 05:20 Faruko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 09:06 smr wrote:
Looking forward to hear about your experiences. I can't make it work. I mean it works but a good 7-8grift levels lower than marauders for me. Think my biggest problem ist failing to go forward to pull more stuff together.

whats your gr with natalyas, just finished 55 with about 1/3 extra time

Let me think. Iirc I miserably failed a 65 and did a 60 afterwards with the Fulminator version. That was around paragon 500 with ~lvl 50 gems.

e: wooow : ) ancient hexing pants (okay rolls) and ancient ice climbers (subpar rolls) within an hour. getting closer to try that lon build. Got a great aquila cuirass and an okay visage. If I use both what might be the best choice for the cube? Thinking about either nemesis bracers to speed progress or maybe that demon hunter cloak that has a cheat death mechanic.
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7769 Posts
January 29 2016 10:23 GMT
#20935
Wizard players should check out this build: http://www.diablofans.com/builds/70467-2-4-blades-multi-purpose-speed-non-in-geom-700-db , it's great for farming high torment rifts and is quite flexible when it comes to itemization. With average items (only one ancient belt and 5-6 items with crappy rolls, decent rolls on the rest) I can clear T8 rifts in 3-4 minutes (could prolly do T9 just as easily, but I haven't had time to test it yet), plus it's a blast to play, you have sick mobility and spectral blades are just badass :D
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
January 29 2016 11:13 GMT
#20936
On January 29 2016 16:45 smr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 05:20 Faruko wrote:
On January 27 2016 09:06 smr wrote:
Looking forward to hear about your experiences. I can't make it work. I mean it works but a good 7-8grift levels lower than marauders for me. Think my biggest problem ist failing to go forward to pull more stuff together.

whats your gr with natalyas, just finished 55 with about 1/3 extra time

Let me think. Iirc I miserably failed a 65 and did a 60 afterwards with the Fulminator version. That was around paragon 500 with ~lvl 50 gems.

e: wooow : ) ancient hexing pants (okay rolls) and ancient ice climbers (subpar rolls) within an hour. getting closer to try that lon build. Got a great aquila cuirass and an okay visage. If I use both what might be the best choice for the cube? Thinking about either nemesis bracers to speed progress or maybe that demon hunter cloak that has a cheat death mechanic.

i still think that cindercoat ITS the way to go, extra fire damage & resource reduction.

i just realizaed that with a decent cinder i could achieve +100% extra fire damage, wow.
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
January 29 2016 11:51 GMT
#20937
On January 29 2016 20:13 Faruko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 16:45 smr wrote:
On January 29 2016 05:20 Faruko wrote:
On January 27 2016 09:06 smr wrote:
Looking forward to hear about your experiences. I can't make it work. I mean it works but a good 7-8grift levels lower than marauders for me. Think my biggest problem ist failing to go forward to pull more stuff together.

whats your gr with natalyas, just finished 55 with about 1/3 extra time

Let me think. Iirc I miserably failed a 65 and did a 60 afterwards with the Fulminator version. That was around paragon 500 with ~lvl 50 gems.

e: wooow : ) ancient hexing pants (okay rolls) and ancient ice climbers (subpar rolls) within an hour. getting closer to try that lon build. Got a great aquila cuirass and an okay visage. If I use both what might be the best choice for the cube? Thinking about either nemesis bracers to speed progress or maybe that demon hunter cloak that has a cheat death mechanic.

i still think that cindercoat ITS the way to go, extra fire damage & resource reduction.

i just realizaed that with a decent cinder i could achieve +100% extra fire damage, wow.

Have to think about that. Because of the fok-lightning rune I considered lightning damage as the only viable option for nats and lon.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
January 29 2016 12:06 GMT
#20938
On January 29 2016 20:51 smr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 20:13 Faruko wrote:
On January 29 2016 16:45 smr wrote:
On January 29 2016 05:20 Faruko wrote:
On January 27 2016 09:06 smr wrote:
Looking forward to hear about your experiences. I can't make it work. I mean it works but a good 7-8grift levels lower than marauders for me. Think my biggest problem ist failing to go forward to pull more stuff together.

whats your gr with natalyas, just finished 55 with about 1/3 extra time

Let me think. Iirc I miserably failed a 65 and did a 60 afterwards with the Fulminator version. That was around paragon 500 with ~lvl 50 gems.

e: wooow : ) ancient hexing pants (okay rolls) and ancient ice climbers (subpar rolls) within an hour. getting closer to try that lon build. Got a great aquila cuirass and an okay visage. If I use both what might be the best choice for the cube? Thinking about either nemesis bracers to speed progress or maybe that demon hunter cloak that has a cheat death mechanic.

i still think that cindercoat ITS the way to go, extra fire damage & resource reduction.

i just realizaed that with a decent cinder i could achieve +100% extra fire damage, wow.

Have to think about that. Because of the fok-lightning rune I considered lightning damage as the only viable option for nats and lon.

i think the idea was to go with ballistic to support strafe rocketstorm (you get drifting from one of the bows) & vengeance.

might try lighting but i have much more items towards fire than lighting
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-29 12:42:40
January 29 2016 12:42 GMT
#20939
i think im starting to hit a wall with natalyas, or at least with my current setup (all gem lvl25) had some problems clearing GR56, not sure i would be able to pass 57, but i still have to lvl up the gems and get full flawless emerald gems (which is about 300+ dex)
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
bluegarfield
Profile Joined December 2010
Singapore1128 Posts
January 29 2016 17:50 GMT
#20940
hi all, i have been playing the new season for a while, but now leveling feel so slow, especially when solo/friend busy. Is the only way to fast leveling is 4men high gr? currently 600 plvl and doing gr60-65 is most time efficient for me, but only gain 1 level a time T_T
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