EPTedit: also, several heroes have blinks in dota, i would compare ezreal more to qop
edit2: oh, what about void even, a blink AND he is one of the hardest carries in the game
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barbsq
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edit: also, several heroes have blinks in dota, i would compare ezreal more to qop edit2: oh, what about void even, a blink AND he is one of the hardest carries in the game | ||
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ProdT
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Southlight
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On September 30 2010 16:12 Southlight wrote: QSS is quite common at high-level play these days, after the nerf to Cleanse and the rise of Suppression. i love getting qss to make malzs cry >:D | ||
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Southlight
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
not to say that some dota champ's mechanics aren't awesome (i love seeing puck and ta play, and any hero with micromanagement clearly gets the mechanics awards) but there are far more right click and win heroes in dota than there are in LoL edit: and if u really want examples since i sometimes just talk out my ass, here ya go sven, huskar, lycan, juggernaut, bloodseeker, luna, clinkz, rikimaru, skele king, spectre, pa all (and im sure there are more) are dependant more on PLAYER DECISION than 'mechanics' | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
For the most part I look at ranged DPS (the main category of "carries") and think of them as counterweights to AP heroes (prevent pure MR stack disasters) and closers - if they get ahead, they can end the game. And the idea of the game is to try to get them to close out games. But right now there is a beautiful balance between tanks and ranged DPS that makes it so whoever is good will tilt the game in their favor. In this way I find the balance in the fotm (back to pretty normal CC + ranged carry + tanky stuff) quite wonderful, although who knows how long it'll last. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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On September 30 2010 16:29 Southlight wrote: I honestly don't feel like there're any carries in LoL. There's no hero that I can say "this guy farms and we wonz." Yes that includes Kog'Maw, who die so fast (without proper babysitting) that it's kinda funny. The only unfortunate thing is that right now KM is the second hero in the history of LoL to have 1v5 potential when combined with a babysit team... ironically the first being Jax (twice!) who was nerfed after both instances because Riot looks down on that. Hey, wait, that's... what carries are in DotA/HoN. Oops. For the most part I look at ranged DPS (the main category of "carries") and think of them as counterweights to AP heroes (prevent pure MR stack disasters) and closers - if they get ahead, they can end the game. And the idea of the game is to try to get them to close out games. But right now there is a beautiful balance between tanks and ranged DPS that makes it so whoever is good will tilt the game in their favor. In this way I find the balance in the fotm (back to pretty normal CC + ranged carry + tanky stuff) quite wonderful, although who knows how long it'll last. I put Twitch into that category because of his ult being able to kill an entire team in 3 seconds from halfway across the screen. It's preventable, yes, and there are bad matchups for him, but a farmed twitch or even corki is a really, really scary thing. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
Some people prefer different things, and will argue to the death that something is better when it is merely preference. Honestly, I don't see any good examples in these arguments. | ||
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ProdT
United States170 Posts
On September 30 2010 16:10 Southlight wrote: Ezreal: good/great early game, dwindling mid-game, invisible late-game. What a carry! /sarcasm Edit: Before you go on about how he was one of the best carries in the game, though, you might realize he never really was. He simply snowballed really well off of his crazy early-game (when they for some reason believed Mystic Shot was weak, also the Sheen bug), and Essence Flux was an incredible support spell. There's a reason why prior to the AD boom most people played him as AP, despite a handful of players kicking ass with AD Ezreal. However his terrible attack range made him ineffective as an actual carry because tanks would just beat him off of a fight, unless his snowball was insane. No. Ezreal is good. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On September 30 2010 16:57 H wrote: I know we're just discussing the merits of LoL and HoN/DoTA, which is fine but keep it civil. Not that anyone's been out of line, just that I know how vehement some people get about it. No problem~ I think everything that went on tonight was in good spirit :D | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
Looks like a decent game if you get to know it.. but Its hard to see things for me, where LoL is really cartoony, and there for very clear Never played dota so no comment | ||
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Wala.Revolution
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Get a friend to play with; one member wrote an excellent introductory guide that covers almost all fundamentals. Due to the different mechanics(?) of HoN, there will be much to get used to. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
in all honesty, i think its this thread and liquidparty thats been keeping me hooked on LoL i really fucking miss alot of things about dota, but i cant bring myself to go back since there are so many great ppl/players here that i really want to get better at this game, and that never really happened to me with dota. i had ppl i aspired to be like (kuroky has always been and will always be my hero) but i never had as great interaction with other players as i do with LoL's tl group | ||
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ProdT
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 30 2010 15:37 ProdT wrote: No thats not what im saying at all, What im saying is that the aforementioned is WORSE in LoL. The carry effect, the AP in LoL, the fact that you can't deny or don't lost gold, how really easy it is to spam abilities and have better abilities in general, all contribute to LoL being a more imbalanced game, I'm not saying HoN is 100% balanced, I think flint is OP, but I think Kog is way more OP in his game. Haven't there been posts by other HoN/DotA players in this thread that the carry effect isn't strong enough? | ||
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byFd
Germany620 Posts
On September 30 2010 17:13 ProdT wrote: Someone carry me out of low ELO hell, I cant do it alone apparently. get a yeti to carry you outta there! anyone tried jungle nunu? i tried lane nunu yesterday, was very fun, did quite good for the few first game with him. also his grungy nunu skin is so cool. i think i'll try him in the jungle in the next few days. BTW: no clue about elo, still leveling to lvl 30 on EU, but not too bad i guess, atleast i'm positive in wins/losses xD | ||
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Kexx
Germany240 Posts
I think the carry effect in those two games are just different. In DotA/HoN usually one hero carries, and he carries hard, maybe harder then anything in LoL, but the reason is I think is that in LoL everybody can carry and often will. In Dota/HoN the other 4 make it their only goal to protect their carry, thus making him stand out way more then in LoL where everybody does his part in damage. Their both fine game and play out pretty differently, which is good because we don't need another modern DotA clone, that's what HoN is for, which is also a good thing. Though I have to agree that the balance in LoL is compromised because Riots main goal will always be selling more heroes and skins, and you only sell new heroes if they are OP at the beginning, just look at Urgoth, I bet almost nobody bought him with riot points or bought any skins for him, but this is Riots business decisions which is fine, since after all the game is free if you chose it to be, which I appreciate since I stopped playing moba games seriously and I take a bit of unbalance in a 5v5 team game since one hero only is 10% of a game and usually can be overcome by good decision making and skill. TO ANOTHER TOPIC. I wanted to buy Ezreal since he doesn't get banned anymore, but now I kinda got discouraged by some of the posts here, is he really that bad now? | ||
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